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Psychology with Dr. Ana

Psychology with Dr. Ana

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In this video, I run through Abigail Shrier's new book "Bad Therapy: Why the Kids Aren't Growing Up," explaining my thoughts on her argument that therapists are making Gen Z more mentally ill.
Intro music: Church of 8 Wheels by Otis McDonald
Outro music: Lensko Let’s Go
Time Stamps:
0:00 Intro
3:19 Summary of “Bad Therapy”
56:00 What I agreed with
1:15:00 What I disagreed with
1:03:06 Why I thought this book was intellectually dishonest

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@t3tsuyaguy1
@t3tsuyaguy1 4 ай бұрын
I made a hard pivot into gentle parenting, because I didn't like what I was seeing develop in my daughter, in response to the way I was dealing with her misbehavior. It felt like she was learning to be afraid of making me angry, and that is the opposite of what I wanted her to learn. It has now been years since I raised my voice to her and she is absolutely thriving. She comes to me with her mistakes and asks for guidance on how to make amends with people. She proactively thinks about her behavior toward others and her teachers tell us that she openly talks about the conversations she has with me and wife about how to handle things, when they tell her she navigated a situation well. She even told me that I am her safe place. I don't even have the words to describe how that felt.
@Lin1Lin2Lin3Lin4
@Lin1Lin2Lin3Lin4 4 ай бұрын
On your daughter's behalf, thank you for being a parent who takes your job seriously
@ivayia
@ivayia 3 ай бұрын
Im 20 and a first born child so when i was a kid my parents would yell and me and smack me when i made mistakes which only made me hide my mistakes and not trust them.. they changed their behaviour when i was around 12-13 and i admit ive had an amazing relationship with them and trust them a lot more since then.
@silent-hills
@silent-hills 3 ай бұрын
@@ivayia as someone that age too, my parents never changed their behavior, and i’m very closed off to them. i’ve tried to talk to them about it, but they seem to not care and blame me for their actions…i don’t know if ill trust them with a lot of info ever, to be honest with you. so yeah, please don’t be very harsh on kids. they’d won’t learn to understand, but how to not make you angry at them.
@t3tsuyaguy1
@t3tsuyaguy1 3 ай бұрын
@@ivayia Thank you for sharing that with me.
@IgnorantSeeker
@IgnorantSeeker 3 ай бұрын
That’s so touching. Beautiful story that’s making me tear up. I don’t know how having a parent as a safe place feels like but all I can feel is being happy for your thriving child. What a wonderful positive influence you’re having in the world by being a great parent.
@DreamWillow22
@DreamWillow22 4 ай бұрын
I just can’t believe she’s recommending emotional suppression as best practice 😬. And this woman 100% reads her kids diaries 😂
@pissfather6798
@pissfather6798 4 ай бұрын
honestly the thought that this lady actually has children is genuinely a worrying one, seeing how she seems to view human beings and children specifically
@marte1376
@marte1376 4 ай бұрын
My mother and my father. They read my diary, absolutely broke my heart especially because serious things I wrote in there
@captainzork6109
@captainzork6109 4 ай бұрын
​@@marte1376 Violating someone's privacy and trust like that can be so harmful :c I hope you're still able to keep a diary without feeling someone would read it now
@marte1376
@marte1376 4 ай бұрын
@@captainzork6109 I have a digital diary now but I'm just broken inside. My parents never trusted me, I was always a rebel and my opinions and thoughts were different. People, be careful with what you write. Thanks for your compassion
@sameash3153
@sameash3153 3 ай бұрын
​@marte1376 It probably broke your parents heart that you didn't trust them to know what they rightfully should know.
@stevenhuntley8706
@stevenhuntley8706 4 ай бұрын
She's not mad that abuse is happening, she's mad that people are talking about it. Only abusers benefit from the silence of victims.
@EricLeafericson
@EricLeafericson 4 ай бұрын
This book was written as cope material for abusive parents looking for a book to hide behind.
@livefreedieyoung2012
@livefreedieyoung2012 3 ай бұрын
True facts
@josepharmstrong6429
@josepharmstrong6429 3 ай бұрын
Absolutely, I’m pretty sure this generation has been cheated in every way possible
@FTZPLTC
@FTZPLTC 3 ай бұрын
Never mind, I got further into the interview, and she's literally saying it's a problem for kids to be able to talk about their mother's new boyfriend - aka probably the person *MOST* likely to be abusing them. So I think it's okay to assume the worst in this case.
@mediaguyking7045
@mediaguyking7045 3 ай бұрын
She just wants kids to be quiet and behave, and just do anything that parents want.
@Lera-nv1lq
@Lera-nv1lq 4 ай бұрын
It's crazy that the author of the book thinks it's so easy for a Gen Z to throw their parents out of their lives. As someone from an extremely abusive family, I couldn't imagine the possibility of leaving them, and that love for people who hated me led me to a TWISTED UNDERSTANDING OF LOVE rather than leaving them. And now I have to work with the fact that I was so attached to them that one of the most important feelings in my life has been distorted.
@KD-rs6xx
@KD-rs6xx 4 ай бұрын
Welcome to being human
@eagonwild
@eagonwild 4 ай бұрын
considering said author also wrote a book about how trans people are the fall of society, im not so surprised that she isnt very bright on other social topics too!
@Lin1Lin2Lin3Lin4
@Lin1Lin2Lin3Lin4 4 ай бұрын
I agree. I have put a lot of emotional distance between my parents and myself because of their behavior. I'm not going to leave them though because they are my parents. The choice to let go of your parents must be so hard to make
@bingusdingus7417
@bingusdingus7417 4 ай бұрын
Are you me? I moved into an apartment and got help from a volunteer group after my family's and their friend's abuse. I get texts from the only non abusive person in my life pre-freedom every day, it feels like every hour. The guilt drives me crazy. I can't talk to anyone else because I feel like a neglectful asshole when I don't talk to her.
@imacds
@imacds 3 ай бұрын
To any parents reading this- if you instead help your child pursue their independent life and goals, they will probably like you a lot more and (despite their freedom) freely choose to associate with you a lot more.
@ezrabrownstein3237
@ezrabrownstein3237 4 ай бұрын
So much of this is "i suffered x y and z and therefore you must suffer the same"
@justinspencer983
@justinspencer983 4 ай бұрын
Yes. Like I didn’t get to talk about my feelings. You can’t do it either! It’s not fair 😢
@rockmangurlx4973
@rockmangurlx4973 4 ай бұрын
It’s a petty mindset but it’s not unchangeable.
@saltiestsiren
@saltiestsiren 4 ай бұрын
Or it's like, "I suffered x y and z and I'm FINE so therefore you would be fine if you didn't talk about it so I'm blaming the therapists because they're the ones who make you talk about your feelings and stuff." The whole thing reeks of denial or "copium"
@christskingdomiscoming5964
@christskingdomiscoming5964 3 ай бұрын
You could also argue that since all the subscribers to this channel have suffered XYZ in their lives that you're assuming everyone else has too. You are projecting your life experience, your relationship with your parents onto everyone else's experience. There are indeed abusive parents power tripping, narcissistic, control freaks and scenarios like this do happen, but we can't just assume this is always the case. Proscriptions for parenting children are being taught to parents predicated on the assumption that all children are in danger of being emotionally traumatized by their parents. This is a huge assumption on the part of psychologists! You can't just take a 'one size fits all' approach to a subject like parenting. Therapists and psychologists spent a lot of time speaking to and studying the mentality I'll, abuse survivors etc. they then use this information to make pronouncements for the rest of society, but not all of society have these same issues. It's the old adage, 'if you are a hammer, then every problem looks like a nail'! We don't have to guess at the problems this might cause, these parenting methods and beliefs have been around for over a generation. A whole generation has now grown up having been reared with these beliefs, so can we say that things have gotten better? Absolutely not! Not only has this failed to produce a happier, more well adjusted generation of adults, things have gotten worse, people are less happy and mental illnesses are more prevalent today than ever before. A whole new set of problems have been created that never existed before, educators and employers have noticed that this generation are more fragile, less resilient, lazier, more entitled and self absorbed. They were brought up according to the solution to a problem that didn't really apply to them! In the mean time, those who the solution most applied to, the narcissistic and abusive parents weren't listening, they weren't the ones 'getting with the program', it was the conscientious, loving parents, the kind whom the advice least applied to, who were getting worried about their actions damaging their kids self esteem. They were the ones following all the advice, prioritising their child's emotional safety, indulging them and treating them like little adults. They were constantly affirmed, told how 'wonderful' they were cocooning from having to experience any disappointment or hardships lest this irreparably damage them and set them up with expectation of failure throughout life. This is the danger of following overly idealistic, theoretical ideas and wanting to 'make the world a better place', it can backfire and end up making things worse, but we won't learn, we will just follow the next 'expert' whose big idea chimes with us, and fulfill our desire to make the world a better place. Google the Chinese sparrow experiment, it's a fine example of how well meaning tinkering can produce disastrous, long lasting, consequences.
@samsepiol5533
@samsepiol5533 3 ай бұрын
Agreed. It’s her generation that fucked up some of today’s generation in the first place. Then she’s putting blame on all therapists - absolutely ridiculous I’ve had to combat her videos with so many of my friends because not enough people are talking about all the points where she is clearly wrong. Some things she is actually correct on! But demonizing therapy when there are so many success stories is absolutely disgusting
@monkeybonez
@monkeybonez 4 ай бұрын
See, anyone's first mistake would be assuming that Shrier understands what she talks about.
@lionelheisler4887
@lionelheisler4887 4 ай бұрын
And if anyone knows about her transphobic book, then they'd know that she indeed *does not* understand what she talks about.
@dinosaysrawr
@dinosaysrawr 4 ай бұрын
@@lionelheisler4887 , exactamundo. Anyone who familiarized themselves with her previous book will not be surprised by the lies, distortions, and logic leaps in this one.
@mushymass9716
@mushymass9716 3 ай бұрын
She doesn't have a single qualification that's relevant to the field of psychotherapy. She's educated in law and philosophy, and wrote as an opinion columnist. Not exactly shining qualifications when it comes to the field of psychotherapy.
@mediaguyking7045
@mediaguyking7045 3 ай бұрын
@@mushymass9716she should’ve at the very least had a qualified co-author
@Cowface
@Cowface 4 ай бұрын
I’ve noticed an anti-therapy backlash as of late. Mickey atkins responded to a Matt Walsh video with similar talking points. My theory: it’s meant to appeal to boomer parents whose adult children are going to therapy and setting boundaries with them and they’re mad about it
@24JJ821
@24JJ821 4 ай бұрын
I totallly agree with you. A lot of changes happened around the 70s and onwards in regards to reduction in authoratarian parenting styles and misguided practices. Also expression of emotions rather than inhibition of emotions. While more adult children are accessing therapy and conversing about these topics and/or setting boundaries it's causing some backlash from parents.
@Princessbubblegum567
@Princessbubblegum567 4 ай бұрын
Explains why she's complaining so hard about adult children going no contact with their parents. Best she's one of those abusive parents who's in denial and wonder why her kids don't talk to her (and she definitely reads her daughter's diary)
@Misslayer99
@Misslayer99 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely. I've noticed this too and been thinking the same thing. Great point. Instead of taking responsibility for anything they'd rather blame the therapy that makes adult children aware of their bullshit.
@garret6464
@garret6464 4 ай бұрын
I can only speak for myself (22 year old male who has been in and out of therapy for years) but I know it’s not only older people and I agree with a lot of what she has said. There is a really big I dude with placing problems outside of the individual, treating things like they are external forces. So much about depression/anxiety is built on the situation and can really be helped by a focus on changing that situation.
@sylwiapro2791
@sylwiapro2791 4 ай бұрын
Anti-therapy "backlash" is not just about parenting. Maybe she really has bad intentions, I don't know, and tries to take responsibility off crappy parents. But a lot is being said also about systemic issues in the field of therapy and how the field is not open to feedback; harm in therapy is regularly dismissed because if the client feels harmed it's easy to blame it on them being disordered anyway. It's not just clients who talk about it. It's also therapists themselves. Dr Ramani speaks about how few therapists understand narcissistic abuse and trauma, for example, and can do great harm. Daniel Mackler is a former therapist who has a popular video on youtube listing all the things wrong with the field that made him quit. Jeffrey Masson is another scholar who noticed problems with therapy. There's a lot of therapy-critical material on Mad In America, even though the site is not anti-therapy and features loads of different mental health specialists. There really ARE problems with therapy and even pro-therapy people admit it, so there's no reason to turn a blind eye.
@Adamfaraday
@Adamfaraday 4 ай бұрын
This book sounds like something an authoritarian mom would write after her adult kids go no contact.
@michaelpineiro533
@michaelpineiro533 4 ай бұрын
This book sounds like something an abuser would write, because they're afraid they'll be caught.
@TheMysticTable
@TheMysticTable 4 ай бұрын
Sounds like it yes.
@davidp.7620
@davidp.7620 4 ай бұрын
Have you read it?
@tommerenator
@tommerenator 4 ай бұрын
An American mom.
@kiorde
@kiorde 4 ай бұрын
Attacking character, yep. Internet never fails
@ladylarry75
@ladylarry75 4 ай бұрын
someone might have already commented this, but gentle parenting IS authoritative parenting. The reason for the alternative name is some people get confused between the words authoritative and authoritarian.
@AnaPsychology
@AnaPsychology 4 ай бұрын
Yes! I thought I mentioned this in the video itself but I must've forgotten
@leg912
@leg912 4 ай бұрын
Yes! Authoritarian parenting is strict parenting, while authoritative parenting is permissive parenting... did I get that right? It's easy to confuse the two terms together.
@ThatTallBrendan
@ThatTallBrendan 4 ай бұрын
​@@leg912 Authoritarian is strict, Gentle _is still_ authoritative (despite the name), and permissive is passive. 🤝
@RichardChappell1
@RichardChappell1 4 ай бұрын
@@leg912 Even using the term authoritative parenting is narcissistic.
@RichardChappell1
@RichardChappell1 4 ай бұрын
@@ThatTallBrendan Yu may want to review that statement. I'm not sure it means what you think it means.
@enravotaboyadjiev7466
@enravotaboyadjiev7466 4 ай бұрын
Abigail's problem is that she thinks kids should be possessions owned by the parents and she doesn't like it when therapists treat kids as people.
@mxpants4884
@mxpants4884 4 ай бұрын
It really is striking how much she treats anyone interacting with children as a potential threat to her personal space/property.
@dinosaysrawr
@dinosaysrawr 4 ай бұрын
Precisely. Therapists also "plant"/affirm the idea that children themselves are human beings worthy of dignity, safety, boundaries, and rights, which can inspire kids to begin to question how others have been treating them and stick up for themselves.
@happinesstan
@happinesstan 3 ай бұрын
They treat kids as future revenue.
@sameash3153
@sameash3153 3 ай бұрын
Because they are owned by their parents. Anybody who squeams at this thought believes that outsiders should have more influence on children than their parents, which is getting into grooming territory.
@wendys9500
@wendys9500 3 ай бұрын
@@sameash3153Did I really just read someone compare mental health professionals to pedophiles
@krembryle
@krembryle 4 ай бұрын
the book should be called "why the kids aren't messed up as I am"
@lvt2050
@lvt2050 2 ай бұрын
but the kids are messed up more, that's the whole point of this discussion, mental health is worse than ever.
@chesneymigl4538
@chesneymigl4538 2 ай бұрын
​@@lvt2050Yeah, but that's because they are being left a society in fire.
@mushymass9716
@mushymass9716 3 ай бұрын
I recently broke NC with my bio mother after 5 years because my father was arrested on domestic violence charges and I felt that she deserved to know about it. She had attempted to tell people about him being a drunk and a psychopath before, and nobody believed her. Because of this experience she had, I thought someone ought to tell her what happened with him. She sent me an e-mail link about this book after I left her house. And she kept talking about how stupid she felt for having let me go to therapy when I was younger. The woman that gave birth to me hates everything about who I am now and desperately wants me to be somebody completely different. This video helped me make sense of... certain things about what she said to me. So I just wanted to say thank you for that.
@KittyScythe
@KittyScythe 2 ай бұрын
This is exactly how I feel about my former relationship with one of my siblings.
@FIip2theleft
@FIip2theleft 4 ай бұрын
I really appreciate when someone can balance sass and a bit of edge without being overly condescending and maintaining a healthy dose of humility. Enjoying the slightly more aggressive/callout tone here. Nice!
@AnaPsychology
@AnaPsychology 4 ай бұрын
I knew I would need to use humor if I was going to make it through this video 😂
@Guillhez
@Guillhez 4 ай бұрын
It’s distracting and hurts the credibility of the video
@infamousshinkicker6924
@infamousshinkicker6924 4 ай бұрын
@@Guillhez no
@ElizabethMcAllister
@ElizabethMcAllister 4 ай бұрын
@@AnaPsychologywhen you said “seems kinda sus” lmaoo
@princess_zulica
@princess_zulica 4 ай бұрын
@@Guillhez there is literally evidence and nuanced studies uttered after almost every sentence she says. this is the most credible and engaging you can probably get. cope dude.
@shizzlecakes
@shizzlecakes 4 ай бұрын
I've worked in schools for many years. Parents have definitely handed down their own fears and insecurities about therapy to their children. In 3 different schools I witnessed children refuse to talk the school therapists on the grounds that the therapist will try to brainwash them. It's tough seeing someone in need refusing help like that.
@bbyjirl
@bbyjirl 4 ай бұрын
Millennials and Gen Z have experienced their surroundings changing at exponential speeds almost their entire lives. Something as simple as FaceTime was a totally cartoonish futuristic idea when I was a kid, now there are self driving cars and neural links. Technological advances had previously been happening at a slower rate for a good amount of time. Also, so many of us have witnessed older relatives’ neuroticism be plainly exposed when given access to social media, this stuff is crazy making. I have so much to say about all of this, but one last thing I will add is that I was doing an intensive outpatient program, and at 26 I was the youngest person there almost the entire time, I was actually really surprised by the age range.
@anzaia2164
@anzaia2164 3 ай бұрын
I agree, I just feel the need to say that there _aren't_ properly functioning self-driving cars and neural links. The people and companies who own and are developing these technologies are _pretending_ that they are much more fleshed out than they are.
@chesneymigl4538
@chesneymigl4538 2 ай бұрын
​@@anzaia2164True, but it's more than we had in the 90s.
@chesneymigl4538
@chesneymigl4538 2 ай бұрын
I think it's revealing an entire generation of mental illness that was previously just hidden. My elderly parents' entire attitude is "if it looks good, it is good"
@mr.zafner8295
@mr.zafner8295 4 ай бұрын
I bet the reason nobody talked to her about climate change is because having a conversation with a person in her part of the political spectrum about climate change is like arguing with a car commercial about what the best car is. It doesn't take long to learn how futile it is and stop
@chesneymigl4538
@chesneymigl4538 2 ай бұрын
That is exactly like talking with my father. He literally said he knows politics because he watched the Trump trial. You know, the one that wasn't televised? I have no idea what it was he watched, but he also thinks solar panels *create* global warming
@kaye_go_moo9790
@kaye_go_moo9790 4 ай бұрын
Its almost like the more we talk about mental illness as a commonality instead of just being a "you problem," the more people feel comfortable with sharing their mental illnesses 😮
@net_has
@net_has 4 ай бұрын
Her: therapists specifically listed smartphone use as one of the main reasons people are struggling with mental health Also her, somehow: therapists aren’t taking the impact of technology on mental health seriously!
@Emelllll64
@Emelllll64 4 ай бұрын
I think they're overthinking what therapy actually is, like they're not constantly deconstructing trauma and reopening old wounds every session, it can literally as mundane as telling your therapist what happened in your week, what's been frustrating you lately, how to build better habits, better communicate etc.
@hgriff14
@hgriff14 2 ай бұрын
thats not therapy, thats life coaching.
@zackcash4941
@zackcash4941 4 ай бұрын
There are some terrible therapists. I've had a therapist told me to "do what the japanese do and get a body pillow" when I told her I watch anime to distract me from loneliness and isolation. I've had a therapist insist that my suicidal thoughts were intrusive and frequent after telling her I've had a couple suicidal thoughts in the past. There are some absolute terrible licensed therapists that will make patients problems worse.
@Emma-Queenofhell
@Emma-Queenofhell 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely it's why I try to find a therapist that has my values, I'm an Atheist, and I got a Christian therapist, and he tried to convert me. Tell me it was the source of my problems, was I am a non-believer and god would fix my life.
@MiraBoo
@MiraBoo 4 ай бұрын
There are bad therapists, but therapy overall is still good. You ultimately choose your therapist; you never have to stick with a therapist whom you dislike.
@uniquenewyork3325
@uniquenewyork3325 4 ай бұрын
And those therapists seem to have the mentality of the book writer here, those therapists aren't actually following procedure of any typical form
@agnesberes4084
@agnesberes4084 3 ай бұрын
​@@MiraBooYes,it's true. But isn't it what Abigail Shrier means? Kids can't tell if it's a bad therapist...
@miglek9613
@miglek9613 3 ай бұрын
@@agnesberes4084 not really, no. Abigail is a political grifter who's entire belief system centers around children being the property of their parents. She believes that the only way a therapist can be good is if they tell the kids that every single problem in a child's life is caused by the kid not obeying their parents enough, even if their parents are physically abusive addicts. According to her parents are the only people who should ever have a say in what the child learns and believes, no matter how awful those parents might actually be
@crystalnelson314
@crystalnelson314 4 ай бұрын
This could have been a good book if the author contrasted "bad" therapy with good therapy and argued for better structures and incentives.
@user_f1
@user_f1 4 ай бұрын
Exactly. I def have my beef with the medical community as a whole, which includes psychiatry and most therapy, but I’ve sought out to distinguish the good from the bad. The problem is that the go to therapeutic approach which is most often talk therapy together with medication, just isn’t really effective and does indeed have a lot of negative side effects (the drugs especially). I don’t understand why not more effective approaches are being offered and promoted as a go-to, like hypnotherapy. That’s something hat should change. In general a way more holistic understanding of health in general. Still just bashing therapy as a whole without offering alternatives makes no sense. Emotional suppression and other coping mechanisms def are not a good alternative.
@mrspreminger
@mrspreminger 4 ай бұрын
Definitely! I’ve had great therapists, and also a couple that should probably have their licenses revoked
@miglek9613
@miglek9613 3 ай бұрын
you see, encouraging the field of therapy to improve is the exact opposite of what Abigail Shrier wants. She is not a good person and she does not want kids to be healthier and happier
@silasnguyen3178
@silasnguyen3178 3 ай бұрын
Agreed, I've had a horrible experience with a school counselor- but phenomenal experiences with the therapy I sought as an adult (which also led to me getting the psychiatric help I needed). I wish I had a better experience as a child with the counselor, or at least been given better language to describe what I was handling- because what I thought was normal mood swings turned out to be bipolar type 2 and it is a miracle I survived past 20. I wish I hadn't been as hesitant as an adult to trust a therapist, because damn when it works it works.
@annabeinglazy5580
@annabeinglazy5580 4 ай бұрын
The "you dont get an xray unless you need one" is kind of funny to me, since im getting my teetg xrayed once per year as part of my yearly checkup. You know... To see if we missed any cavities. Its prevention, but not strictly "necessary". So that example made me chuckle
@rattylikez
@rattylikez 3 ай бұрын
On this note, the ”xrays can give you cancer” analogy makes zero sense and completely negates the fact that an xray is more likely to FIND ACTUAL CANCER.
@BulldogLawyer
@BulldogLawyer 4 ай бұрын
I think appropriate use of drugs is totally fitting. If you tell your doctor that you use an IV drug (that is illegal) your doctor can tell you about how to be safer while doing it. Telling drug users how to clean needles, how illness spreads, and how to make sure their drugs aren’t tainted WILL SAVE LIVES.
@gsnaponfire
@gsnaponfire 4 ай бұрын
As someone who has cut off her parents, I think about that loss on a regular basis because yes, it’s sucks and it hurts. I didn’t want to lose my parents, but the damage they continued to cause me outweighed any benefits of maintaining that relationship. A relationship with them would not have been healthy for me.
@growingoaks
@growingoaks 4 ай бұрын
39:08 THE IRONY. She criticizes them for not acknowledging the impact of divorce on kids, but she herself fails to acknowledge the impact of STAYING in an abusive/unhealthy relationship/marriage on the kids. So much of what Abigail is saying is so baseless or disingenuous or just straight up intellectually dishonest and I can't fathom many people who read this book agree with her given how wildly incorrect her assumptions are
@VixenArt3
@VixenArt3 4 ай бұрын
Ugh Abigail Shrier also wrote the Irreversible Damage book, I can't believe how many people like and praise her books when they are so full of misinformation and fearmongering.
@LasanhaGratinada
@LasanhaGratinada 4 ай бұрын
Every "old-fashioned" parent in a nutshell. I hear all the time people saying stuff like "I was spanked as a child and I survived". Wait, were you actually supposed not to survive? Where do you think you were raised at, Sparta? There is one thing that really baffles me as someone who wants to have children, how people don't want ANY external meddling on their parenting (unless it comes from their extended family, it seems). Here in Brazil we pretty much shut down any hopes of advancing in sexual education for years because of conservative fear-mongering that they were teaching children to have sex and masturbate. I wholeheartedly disagree that parents are supposed to be sovereigns over their children and control every single thing they learn.
@anzaia2164
@anzaia2164 3 ай бұрын
I also really like the similar "I was spanked, and I turned out fine!" You did not turn out fine. You think it's okay to hit children.
@snakepit101
@snakepit101 4 ай бұрын
Abigail sounds like a Scientologist. They hate the mental health/medical industry and believe they have the only answers. Great video!
@ethantritt5879
@ethantritt5879 4 ай бұрын
The middle ground between 'all of my emotions and reactions are valid' and 'harden up' I think is one that is not talked about enough. Similarly to what you talked about in your weaponising therapy talk video where you say it is ok to set whatever boundaries you want, but you should also probably question whether those boundaries are appropriate to have. I think the world needs to hear more of this sort of stuff. Cater to both sides to some degree. Anyway, great video Ana!
@zekielrodriguez5229
@zekielrodriguez5229 4 ай бұрын
I hope I didn’t come off as argumentative. You sound like a bright person for having made this discovery. I encourage you to keep following your curiosity and learn more about the mind and emotions. You are making the world a better place by being a healthier person :)
@rivka8576
@rivka8576 4 ай бұрын
Jeez, the attitude of "back in my day no one would do a mental health screening" is more than a little disturbing- call me crazy, but checking children are not in abusive situations is actually a good thing. I also find the maxim "I was spanked and it didn't do me any harm" darkly hilarious- yeahhh it made you think hitting someone, as long as they are much smaller than you and can't fight back, is totally fine- I'd call that harm (thank you so much for pointing that out!)
@lyndsaybrown8471
@lyndsaybrown8471 3 ай бұрын
So true. It clearly traumatized them enough to want to hurt their own children.
@chesneymigl4538
@chesneymigl4538 2 ай бұрын
It wasn't just the Victorian age where people turned a blind eye to the ills of the world. This was the norm even until my parents' generation.
@peregrinecovington4138
@peregrinecovington4138 Ай бұрын
Ignoring and tolerating evil is the general conservative mentality
@gracieallan4124
@gracieallan4124 Ай бұрын
If there were not so many horror stories of CPS talking children away from good families because of differing culture or value systems, I’d be inclined to agree with you. Having seen the damage well-meaning idealists can do with the power of the state behind them, I’m wary
@gracieallan4124
@gracieallan4124 Ай бұрын
@@peregrinecovington4138 Well, there’s a conversation stopper if I ever heard one😂
@BulldogLawyer
@BulldogLawyer 4 ай бұрын
I will always have Bipolar. It wasn’t going to change after my first year of therapy. I will not get over bipolar in another decade of therapy. It’s the nature of the illness.
@daisymaygames
@daisymaygames 4 ай бұрын
I so wish I had the support kids have these days. I grew up neglected in the troubled teen treatment era with a narc mom, alcoholic dad, and extremely toxic family situation. I’m forever thankful for my therapist who showed my the light by just pointing out abusive behaviors (without those words…she was gentle with it) helped me realize I was defending people who honestly hated me and used me as a whipping boy, and was a pillar of strength when I finally left the home. She even offered to fit me in if my mom reacted REALLY bad when I told her I was moving. (She reacted lol, but thankfully I got through it on my own and didn’t need an extra session) Also ty for mentioning the issue with Gen Z self diagnosing and taking these issues on as identities. It’s made me not want to speak on my own issues because i don’t want anyone assuming I learned about trauma from TikTok and dismiss me. Anyway, great video!
@sewathome
@sewathome 4 ай бұрын
Wait, so the authors idea is we should disassociate? 😂 no thanks done with that one.
@myroc1
@myroc1 4 ай бұрын
"Previous generations experienced more trauma and are more resillient." She says as she writes a novel of trauma responses 😆.
@Hail_Fall
@Hail_Fall 4 ай бұрын
Therapy is so important. Wish when I was having anxiety I went to a therapist to teach me how to deal with it instead of bottling it up and taking meds that weren't working for 10 years. It's so important to overcome mental health issues, and I'm dealing with the consequences of leaving my social anxiety untreated for so long now.
@ethernetangel1133
@ethernetangel1133 3 ай бұрын
Im gen z. My grandparents raised me. Grandpa didnt believe in therapy or “mental illness” at all. When i was in 7th grade i began self harming because i was convinced the reason i lived with my grandparents is because my mother knew i was unlovable. A few months after that i had a complete psychotic break and began tearing apart my stuffed animals and other belongings looking for cameras or listening devices, i began sleeping in a closet because i thought there was a creature in our yard that would pursue me until it killed me if it saw me through the windows even once. I eventually saw the creature lurking around and was hysterical. My school counselor finally forced my family to put me in therapy because a friend saw the cuts on my hips / stomach by mistake. The therapist diagnosed me with manic depression, severe anxiety, and schizophrenia (which both of my parents had.) I have been seeing psychs and on meds ever since. I am 25 now. The psychiatrist did not magically bestow mental illness on me. My family did not want me to be mentally ill. I just am. I wish i wasnt, i wish i had a normal childhood and a normal brain, but i dont. People who genuinely believe therapy is harmful scare the shit out of me because i fear they have something to hide.
@farahelsaid4364
@farahelsaid4364 4 ай бұрын
One of the worrying things about this book is how it might affect parents' decisions and when their kids might need therapy , they probably wouldn't let them have it
@donjindra
@donjindra 4 ай бұрын
You are begging the question. The issue is, does therapy help? You merely assume that it does.
@A2forty
@A2forty 4 ай бұрын
​@@donjindrathe answer is, on the whole, yes. Studies have shown therapy does have positive benefits. As always everybody is different but in general, yes therapy helps. The question is answered.
@donjindra
@donjindra 4 ай бұрын
@@A2forty False. Studies have not shown therapy benefits any better than the placebo effect, or any better than talking to your neighbors. And I think even that is overly optimistic.
@RageOfBeef
@RageOfBeef 3 ай бұрын
​@@donjindra that's just not true at all but like, thanks for outing your not here in any sort of informed good faith lmao
@donjindra
@donjindra 3 ай бұрын
@@RageOfBeef Prove me wrong if you think you can.
@franziskahuber9664
@franziskahuber9664 Ай бұрын
Yeah, the three years of therapy I did totally arrested my growth. If only I still had issues leaving the house due to crippling social anxiety, regularly thought about ******* myself, had a horrible relationship with my family, no friends, no job and self esteem low enough I'd have to start digging to find it. Therapy sure did me dirty.
@t3tsuyaguy1
@t3tsuyaguy1 4 ай бұрын
I appreciated your invitation to thought regarding spanking. I absolutely love that we have, as a society, changed our perspective on interpersonal violence, since my childhood. I was not spanked. But I grew up fighting with other boys and having these fights fully accepted by the adults in my life, at school and at home. There was a time when I genuinely "knew" that some words are fighting words, and there are times when you are "asking to get hit" if you say certain things to people. Again. This was the norm. Now, there is a _very_ low tolerance for almost any level of interpersonal violence, and I think that's fantastic.
@aithjawcraig9876
@aithjawcraig9876 4 ай бұрын
Actually the problem is the way we live our lives. School to career to the 9-5 and white picket fence. Psychologists just act as a buffer to make people somehow OK with this
@quinn7427
@quinn7427 4 ай бұрын
Not to mention many of us being trapped in concrete jungles. Humans routinely exhibit the same behaviors only seen in animals when they are captive in an unnatural environment
@saltiestsiren
@saltiestsiren 4 ай бұрын
This way of life works great for some but not all. I think the problem lies with this lifestyle being a requirement to survive in most developed countries.
@ironman_546
@ironman_546 4 ай бұрын
We don't have that, so
@BosskV2
@BosskV2 4 ай бұрын
I'm so glad I found this video / channel. Its incredibly thorough. I've been in therapy for many years now (ADD & cPTSD). I was also working in social services a few years back. I had to intervene in my nephew's home life in 2019, when he turned 13 and started self-harming. After a year of my interventions, trying to determine what the problems were at home, my nephew became radically more ill, as a result of the abuse he was receiving from his parents. Hearing this video, so thoroughly define and defend the work psychologists, sociologists and educators do... is a huge relief for me. Thank you for this video.
@dakine4238
@dakine4238 2 ай бұрын
I haven't watched the full video yet, but I will say from my own experience of seeing therapists for over ten years not all of them are qualified, some do think they "know' better than the client, and cause more harm than good.
@marionhills8031
@marionhills8031 2 ай бұрын
the book should be called “I dont want kids to be less miserable than I was”
@pegacis
@pegacis 4 ай бұрын
13:08 “Chronic illness mental or physical is to a large extent a function or feature of the way things are and not a glitch - our social and economic culture generates chronic stressors that undermine well being in the most serious ways” - Gabor Mate
@darkstarr984
@darkstarr984 2 ай бұрын
Yeah. And once it starts, reducing stress won’t even cure it.
@wolf-gh2dz
@wolf-gh2dz 3 ай бұрын
if i had a nickel for every time abigail shrier released a book on a subject she has absolutely zero qualifications in, filled to the brim with manipulations of the truth, dodgy research, abuse apologia, and outright lies, all to fearmonger about some horrifing threat coming for your children in order to justify treating children like objects instead of people in order to "protect" them, i'd have two nickels. which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
@igobytony
@igobytony 4 ай бұрын
I appreciate that this video was longer. You took the time to break things down in a well organized manner and were also obviously being as open and fair as possible w a book like this.
@saxonkrautz
@saxonkrautz 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for this review. I recently stumbled over an hour+ long interview with this person about the concept in her book. I was interested as I have been in treatment for over a year at tremendous cost with little to no positive results as yet. I kind of wanted her to be correct. Yet I had to tap out after about 15 minutes. She was very clearly to me; an ignorant, entitled mean spirited person stating opinion as fact with no sources. While frequently contradicting her own points and criticisms. This video review of her book was rational and at no point did I feel tempted to quit in disgust. Thanks again.
@trio1000
@trio1000 4 ай бұрын
Do you happen to have a link to that interview? Sounds like a fun watch lol
@TheAwesomes2104
@TheAwesomes2104 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, she isn't concerned with the very real phenomenon where people get roped into perpetually trying a treatment that's detrimental to them. She has an outside agenda, using this very real problem as a tool to further it, rather than any care for the patients that go through it. You can't say "Well that treatment hurt 10% of the group, didn't help nor hurt 30%, and greatly helped 60%. Let's deny all 100% of people the treatment because there's a chance it could cause more harm than good to some of them." But when therapists aren't upfront and honest about how likely a treatment is to fail or cause regression before they start using it on a patient, you can get trapped in this cycle of "It always gets worse before it gets better." No, often it gets worse before it gets better, but not always. Sometimes it just gets worse and you're hurting yourself by continuing that specific treatment. When you say "I don't think this is helping, everything has only been getting worse, I'm snowballing into new lows." and the therapist just continues to instill false hope that it WILL work eventually, if you just do as they say and refuse to give up on the treatment no matter what. But this makes it easy to spot a bad therapist, if the recommend or start a treatment, but don't make clear all the side effects and risks, leave immediately. They should be able to tell you how likely it is that the treatment will fail, and you can recognize a treatment isn't working so you can abandon it before significant damage is done, in favour of something else that could be effective.
@lvt2050
@lvt2050 2 ай бұрын
soo...do you have any other explanation as to why is your therapy not working? And you are paying it a lot.
@peregrinecovington4138
@peregrinecovington4138 Ай бұрын
@lvt2050 Not every therapist is a good therapist. Even decent therapists often don't know how to help complex cases. That doesn't mean that the entire field of therapy is inherently harmful, however.
@PetalsandGems
@PetalsandGems 4 ай бұрын
"What [...] stuff are you putting in my child's head?" I had to stop and do a mental double-take at this line from the "totally fine" parent in the skit at the end of the summary section. I think you've captured the fundamental divide perfectly with this statement: the belief that people develop thoughts and beliefs and personalities by making sense of their experiences on the one hand, and the belief that those things can only come into a person because some being put them there on the other.
@TheAwesomes2104
@TheAwesomes2104 2 ай бұрын
This is one of those "every conservative accusation is an admission/projection" types of things. They believed the first things authority figures taught them without question, and expect everyone else to do the same. They can't imagine giving someone information and letting them make up their own mind, because they never had that as a clear option that kids should have. They've been living off uncritically following orders from on high, and assume everyone else should be just like them.
@anjulamutanda2000
@anjulamutanda2000 4 ай бұрын
I watched an interview between Abigail Shrier and Manson just yesterday. Imo- there were Inconsistencies galore, biases galore, opinionated, regressive, repressive …I could go on. I had to get my husband to watch it with me to ensure that I wasn’t being overly judgmental. He is pretty laid back and by the end- he was apoplectic! We are both mental health professionals- so we have skin in the game!
@PinkFlip23
@PinkFlip23 4 ай бұрын
Saw this on Rogan and it pulled a cord. This was my response to her on that podcast. 😂 Therapy is the best thing I’ve ever done. It has saved my life and I’ve grown tremendously because of therapy. I have Bipolar II disorder and I will probably be therapy in most, if not all, of my life. I have a good job, eat SUPER healthy, go to the gym five days a week, and run errands. Guess what? I still struggle with depression from Bipolar disorder, current and past trauma, or debilitating anxiety. If you have a good therapist, they will challenge you and make you think in ways you’ve never thought before. Our brains ruminate naturally. Exploring that in therapy and having them intervene helps stop rumination. They are actually trained to help with rumination. Therapy does the complete opposite of encouraging rumination. I kept ruminating on an event and even kept having nightmares. After two sessions, the rumination and nightmares came to a stop. They will give you psychoeducation on trauma, relationships, and mental illness. I am 28, and I am around people my age who don’t know what a healthy relationship is or won’t acknowledge they are repeating their childhood trauma because they are blind to it. I was, too, until therapy. Most people grow up in dysfunctional families and wouldn’t know a healthy relationship or healthy communication if it hit them in the face. I am very self-educated in psychology through years of my reading and therapy. It’s wild this author is just here talking to talk without knowing anything about therapy, how it works, trauma, or psychology. She’s just spewing nonsense. I can name tons of books from Ph. D.s and psychologists with master's degrees that I’ve read. There’s a reason therapists need master's degrees and Ph. D.s. It isn’t all just common sense or something some people can push through, at least not healthily. They have fMRIs that essentially prove that therapy changes the brain. It rewires our neural pathways. Listen to Huberman, a neuroscientist who is educated on the subject. The people who don’t go are the ones who need it the most, I’ve noticed. The people in my life who won’t go to therapy have the most toxic behaviors, maladaptive coping skills, and don’t know what it takes to have a healthy relationship. This low-key set me off as it’s spewing nonsense and putting stigma back out there for therapy and is false information. She also acts like it’s the therapist's job to tell someone what to do, which is ethically wrong for therapists to practice for a good reason. No one can tell you what’s best for you. They ask you questions and guide you to come to your own conclusions and what’s best for you. If you want to read about resilience, read Supernormal. Yes, trauma is a part of life. It’s why therapists and the field of psychology exist to begin with, to help ease our suffering and cultivate better and healthier coping skills and relationships. Another good book, Body Keeps the Score, literally has brain scans that prove our brains can't just “get over” trauma to counteract that point made of just getting over it. When she gives that example of returning to school and calling it a bad memory, it isn’t that, it is a flashback look at an fMRI. The brain will show what it did as if the trauma were actively happening. We learn these things so we can better help ourselves and treat others. Just because we can say “get over it”, doesn’t mean we should. Just because we have our hands doesn’t mean we don’t use tools. Same goes for therapy, just because we have our brain doesn’t mean we can’t use tools to help ourselves make our lives better and easier. Just because we all have hands doesn’t mean some don’t get arthritis. Same with our brains. Just because we all have tramua doesn’t mean some don’t get mental illness as a result. The point is, just because we all have tramua doesn’t mean some don’t need treatment. It’s why we invent things like tools. As we keep learning about psychology and our brains the more we are learning the way we used to do things isn’t good and there are better ways to go about it instead of just ignoring our trauma and pushing things down. This whole conversation is essentially against using a tool that lessons our suffering, and progresses and educates us.
@KD-rs6xx
@KD-rs6xx 4 ай бұрын
.not sure if you’re referring to Abigail Shriek’s work…
@PinkFlip23
@PinkFlip23 4 ай бұрын
@@KD-rs6xx this was in response to her talking about her book on Rogan.
@user_f1
@user_f1 4 ай бұрын
The only positive thing for me is that I have made the experience and now know about it firsthand and can maybe serve as a cautionary tale and a testimony of how effed up our entire system is
@saltiestsiren
@saltiestsiren 4 ай бұрын
If simply "getting over it" was possible, everybody would do that.
@PinkFlip23
@PinkFlip23 4 ай бұрын
@@saltiestsiren 100%
@howlingm993
@howlingm993 4 ай бұрын
I feel horrible for this woman’s children
@dazeychayn
@dazeychayn 4 ай бұрын
not exactly shocking that the woman who wrote a fearmongering book about trans people also wrote a fearmongering book about therapy. its like she only sees children as a direct extension of their parents and not as human people with their own thoughts feelings and experiences
@opticalraven1935
@opticalraven1935 4 ай бұрын
Therapy is effective if and only if the patient is willing for therapy to work and if the patient is being honest with the therapist. Therapy is a good thing if you think you need it.
@justinspencer983
@justinspencer983 4 ай бұрын
Ya I might be reading too much into this. But this author seems to have a lot of problem with therapy period. she is triggered by it practice unless someone is bonkers koko crazy in her opinion. Like “DONT TALK ABOUT EMOTIONS” is very odd. Maybe she had a personal experience with someone near to her seeking help in therapy (and thought it meant she’s a bad person) A lot of her works seems to be projects of her own hold ups.
@michaelneedssleep
@michaelneedssleep 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the really thoughtful analysis! I studied child psych (switched to social psych) and worked with kids for 14 years, and the types of assertions Shrier makes about therapists are exactly the same as the ones the elders of yesteryear made about parents. ADHD -> “let your kid be a kid.” “My parents smacked me and I turned out okay.” “She’s not depressed, she just needs to stop acting like a victim.” etc. I think that when there are grains of truth in a premise, it makes a false conclusion even more dangerous. I hope I don’t start talking like that in 20 years 😭😂
@ToastedFox
@ToastedFox 3 ай бұрын
I think it’s weird when people see a bad thing in something going on and say this should just not exist. Like shouldn’t we improve something that looks like it can help?
@esteemedmortal5917
@esteemedmortal5917 3 ай бұрын
Sometimes you go to therapy because of your own problems. Sometimes you go to therapy because someone in your life refuses to go to therapy.
@Vlad_the_Impaler
@Vlad_the_Impaler 4 ай бұрын
Kids are not growing up because of their emotionally absent or abusive parents.
@abbyzeo4646
@abbyzeo4646 4 ай бұрын
i appreciate this video. i actually just did a speech in my communications class about how everyone can benefit from therapy, and it was nice to see that we actually used some of the same points sources! very relieving as i’m also pursuing a doctorate!!! keep up the great work!:)
@schmumlauf
@schmumlauf 4 ай бұрын
Dr Ana I love your content so much, its helped me be a better friend, boyfriend, and confidant - especially when you distill things into a formula that can be remembered or even screenshotted for reference. You're so easy to listen to yet i always learn so many new things. About this video specifically, I'm so glad this long one came out on my day off. It's such a good overview of the importance of mental healthcare and touched on different things i didnt even expect. The specific harms of repressive coping strategies stuck with me a lot. The parent/teacher skit was funny too, it was so good.
@jojothetasmaniansassmonkey8866
@jojothetasmaniansassmonkey8866 4 ай бұрын
is she under the impression that everyone in gen z grew up going to therapy??
@zenmaster8
@zenmaster8 3 ай бұрын
Given her awful viewpoints and research displayed in "Irreversible Damage", i am not surprised. If you want a deep dive on that book, Cass Eris has a multihour long series breaking it down chapter by chapter covering and critiquing the book
@staryellos
@staryellos 3 ай бұрын
Exactly what I was going to say lol. Awful lady.
@tyrannosarcophagous3447
@tyrannosarcophagous3447 3 ай бұрын
i loved her videos breaking down Irresversible Damage! i also highly recommend them
@windstormstrike
@windstormstrike 4 ай бұрын
I feel like Abigail really wanted to hit her kids but isn’t allowed so she wrote this book to vent lol jk
@donjindra
@donjindra 4 ай бұрын
That is an insane interpretation.
@catpoke9557
@catpoke9557 4 ай бұрын
@@donjindra How? She pretty much says she doesn't like that therapists get kids to talk about things that can lead to CPS being called. I can't think of a single person who doesn't abuse their kids who would think that's a bad thing.
@S3lkie-Gutz
@S3lkie-Gutz 4 ай бұрын
@@donjindra she won’t pick you dude
@donjindra
@donjindra 4 ай бұрын
@@catpoke9557 That's a non sequitur.
@donjindra
@donjindra 4 ай бұрын
@@S3lkie-Gutz Who won't pick me for what?
@iga1720
@iga1720 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for your hard work, Ana. It truly amazes me how much content you publish for free! Your paid content is also incredibely valuable and you really deserve to charge money for the work you do for all of us!
@Mico-Xiyeas
@Mico-Xiyeas 4 ай бұрын
I think the answer is therpay works for some and not others, and i think whats also equally important is actually recognizing how to properly utilize therapy, and that theres other therapies not just talk about feelings therapy.
@angieperezascenciodelmoral3737
@angieperezascenciodelmoral3737 4 ай бұрын
I feel like it's more like:some approaches of therapy or types of therapists work for some, not for all
@Mico-Xiyeas
@Mico-Xiyeas 4 ай бұрын
@@angieperezascenciodelmoral3737 I don't think any therapy works for vegetables
@knobuhdy
@knobuhdy 4 ай бұрын
CBT involves talk therapy what do you mean​@@I_would_like_to_buy_an_E
@jessica5470
@jessica5470 4 ай бұрын
​@@I_would_like_to_buy_an_Eno it's just called counselling, there's nothing wrong with the other therapies either
@user-oj7uc8tw9r
@user-oj7uc8tw9r 4 ай бұрын
I feel like therapy works for everyone, but not every therapist works for everyone. I also think it works for people who want it. If you come with a mindset it wont work, it probably wont.
@rosieisawitch
@rosieisawitch 3 ай бұрын
i dont understand why so many people say things like 'trauma isnt real its all in your head!' like... yes? it is a mental issue, it does occur in your head. its not something you can physically hold why does that suddenly make it invalid?
@benguensche
@benguensche 2 ай бұрын
Regarding the issue of power imbalance between a therapist and child, I think you’re probably projecting your own (good) intentions onto any given therapist, whereas Shrier’s main anxiety seems to be a therapist with ideological motivations in that power role
@evernextsc
@evernextsc 4 ай бұрын
Found this video after listening to the author on Mark Manson's podcast. I was onboard with Abigail for maybe the first couple of topics of discussion. ie. self diagnosis, and language used matters. Then it got weirdly venty. All this to say, thanks for the video.
@Psycomega1
@Psycomega1 4 ай бұрын
I have to admit that I almost forgot the premise of this video is ultimately about children, and had an almost kneejerk reaction to your comments on self-diagnoses. Honestly, I would like to hear your opinions on adult self-diagnosis and how likely one would actually seek help without having an idea of what's going on internally.
@sanniichigo949
@sanniichigo949 4 ай бұрын
This book gives me an interesting insight into how the author is seeing the world and how it interacts in her opinion with children in the context of her earlier book. It makes me a little less stressed knowing that her takes on transgender ppl are very harmful but that there is a deeper issue behind it with the conspiracy theory like distrust she has. Maybe it was never about us (trans ppl) in a way
@olli1800
@olli1800 4 ай бұрын
It seems like it really never is about us - perhaps it's more about maintaining their supposed social order/hierarchy. If the lines are made blurry, how stable are the frameworks from which we operate? What does it mean, what happens if the norm is challenged? Where do we go from there? 😮 Solidarity, friend.
@kyussannn
@kyussannn 4 ай бұрын
Despite doing it just through your KZfaq channel, I appreciate you so much as a professional Ana! Your debunking in this video was flawless, how gracefully you picked up all the fallacies, your thoughts are always spoken with such balance and consideration, and the occasional sass just adds so much to it! I particularly liked how you brought up again emotion regulation in correlation with the bizarre content of this book... That kinda became a polar star to me, whenever I feel too caught up in my emotions and reactions. Thank you for the effort of recording such a long video!
@njalsand133
@njalsand133 3 ай бұрын
I'm not entirely sure these complainers have ever been to proper therapy.
@suprnerdy
@suprnerdy 3 ай бұрын
I freaking shuttered when I heard that name I didn’t know she wrote more than one book
@watermonsters1810
@watermonsters1810 3 ай бұрын
Bruh that's craazyyy she thinks being emotionally aware is problematic 😅 That alone tells me all I need to know about this author 🤦‍♂️
@CrunchyCrispy-pt8yv
@CrunchyCrispy-pt8yv 4 ай бұрын
I am delighted to watch your long videos. Honestly, I loved hearing your smug humor come through when you listed study after study that contradicted her book points. It gave me a laugh. Though I enjoy your purely informative content, it is always a treat to see your own personality and humor shine through (when appropriate and reasonable). As a senior almost done with my bachelor's, your videos are wonderful content to consume during my work day instead of music. Thank you for making learning so accessible and entertaining. I aim to become as well-spoken as yourself in the future.
@tamiwithaneye
@tamiwithaneye 4 ай бұрын
(here from twitter!) wanted to make a comment because im in law school, and we always talk about “the learned hand formula” which is: the BURDEN of precaution (B) should be less than the product of the probability (P) multiplied by the magnitude (L) of harm. I say all that to agree with you that Abagail makes NO SENSE in characterizing negative reactions to therapy as unnecessary (i.e. identifying traumas, verbalizing discomfort, more sensitivities) when it’s a burden necessary that reduce the risk of emotional turmoil?! i can acknowledge that maybe therapy genuinely isn’t her jam, but people are not “less than” just because they benefit from the techniques and strategies introduced by therapy. i feel like there’s often (with misinformed people) a quickness to completely reject ideas (because they don’t believe them) rather than hearing people out (which is funny cause kinda what she wants us to do since she’s writing a book 😏).
@still_leuna
@still_leuna 4 ай бұрын
Amazing video! Even though I have adhd, you kept my attention the entire time. Loved your little acting-plays in between. Very good info overall. Again, great video!
@beachboysandrew
@beachboysandrew 4 ай бұрын
From my personal observations, I think therapy has important benefits, but I think there are real issues in our current society with it being viewed as a panacea or something that everyone should do (or even needs to do).
@peregrinecovington4138
@peregrinecovington4138 Ай бұрын
A book for abusers, by an abuser.
@AlbornozVEVO
@AlbornozVEVO 4 ай бұрын
Im glad you immediately mentioned the other book she wrote so that i can already know pretty much how its gonna go down...
@androphobe
@androphobe 4 ай бұрын
The so called open minded crowd:
@Bloxxertildeath
@Bloxxertildeath 4 ай бұрын
The right minded group with the absolute truth saving us all ❤😂
@RageOfBeef
@RageOfBeef 3 ай бұрын
​@@androphobe open minded doesn't mean you have to agree with the opposing beliefs you know that right, like her other book is awful, full of falsehoods, uses faulty debunked data, like, you realize we can think critically right
@lightningninja6905
@lightningninja6905 3 ай бұрын
​@androphobe Who said we were open minded? Complete open mindedness, without the application of past experience, is like making your mind a path to be trampled on by bad actors, if it was even possible.
@KristelD
@KristelD 3 ай бұрын
Abigail is clearly a controlling mother who biggest fear is her child becoming a person of their own. And instead of dealing with that feeling she rather focus on making the therapists a bad guys.
@KiranMex-ug9wn
@KiranMex-ug9wn 4 ай бұрын
Great dissection of the book, you're on fire. I literally laughed out loud at 33:30 🤣
@Silliestofgeese
@Silliestofgeese 4 ай бұрын
Same 😂
@pallavidawson7933
@pallavidawson7933 4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for all the work you do and your analysis in this video also. It is incredibly thought provoking and honest.
@sp123
@sp123 4 ай бұрын
Therapy is not bad in itself, but using therapy to compensate for diminishing quality of life will not work for most people.
@esteemedmortal5917
@esteemedmortal5917 3 ай бұрын
Depends. Sometimes can help with prioritizing on what to spend limited energy/low pain days/less symptomatic days on. Some things suck and have no silver linings. But still helps to find ways to cope.
@batzyjohnson
@batzyjohnson 3 ай бұрын
the entire book comes across like her child cut her off for being abusive and she's decided to blame therapy. which makes sense, because her other book comes across like her child came out and she decided to blame the trans community.
@feeling_angry
@feeling_angry 4 ай бұрын
I knew i recognized that name somewhere! When you pointed out her previous "work" i gagged. She has no idea what shes talking about lol
@SpeCialeDDoC454
@SpeCialeDDoC454 3 ай бұрын
26:15 the therapist says, "when i see this pattern of behaviors or signs, i recommend to primary care for evaluation for meds. Youll have to follow up with pediatrician." Pediatrician says, "i dont do counseling. I follow the recommendations of the counselor. I typically prescribe what the psychiatrist would prescribe. I dont really know as much about how the meds work. Youll have to take this up with the counselor." Under furhter questions, pediatrician admits shes only seen a handful of these kids go off these temporary meds.
@ethos500
@ethos500 Ай бұрын
As soon as you said she was a lawyer, it all made sense of her "concerns." They attract a type, for sure. I'm sure there's a class and generational distinction that informs her worldview, as well.
@philjay88
@philjay88 3 ай бұрын
Black and white thinking seems to be a recurring theme for people who try to pose as an authority outside their realm of expertise
@JADE-ky3qz
@JADE-ky3qz 4 ай бұрын
Your research is admirable! Wide-perspectiveness and straight to the point A big thank you for putting in the work and making those videos!
@julietterose5271
@julietterose5271 4 ай бұрын
I love your videos. you are so smart, articulated, and have a great sense of humor. I really appreciate everytime you post!!
@iKatie398
@iKatie398 4 ай бұрын
Excellent video. It’s so easy for people to approach industries/fields of study they themselves are not a part of and make black & white assumptions about that topic, meanwhile ignoring or intentionally misrepresenting what experts actually have to say on the subject. ESPECIALLY when it comes to parenting and child psychology. I appreciate how you approached this very honestly and professionally. just subscribed. Keep up the good work!
@johnasamoah8668
@johnasamoah8668 4 ай бұрын
It’s very interesting how Anna is really proving how invalid this authors arguments by not only using her background on psychology and academic credentials, but an application of reason as well to not only invalid but also inform what the real science and psychology is. This is a very different video
@KD-rs6xx
@KD-rs6xx 4 ай бұрын
Anna isn’t very sharp.
@esteemedmortal5917
@esteemedmortal5917 3 ай бұрын
Also, using Abigail’s own words to highlight her biases and inconsistencies
@dinosaysrawr
@dinosaysrawr 4 ай бұрын
LMAO, I always predicted that Abigail Shrier would inevitably pen another hysterical screed about once-angelic children being warped into selfish, broken, benighted ingrates by some other aspect of the evil culture. (But, I always joked that the next book would be about college selection, so I suppose I lose that part of the bet.)
@mx2dy
@mx2dy 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for making this video. I think what you said about the book "needing a scapegoat" makes a lot of sense because, to me, the theme of it seems to be more about *why* younger people today are worse off mentally, not why modern therapy is the cause. Like you pointed out, there is a lot of pathologizing, and as someone who has been to a handful of therapists throughout different stages in my life, I can say in many less words that there was no benefit to reveling in the things about my day-to-day that were lacking or actively causing stress. But, that is just my anecdotal experience and I think there is something to be said about an individual being READY to receive help. Otherwise you're just sitting in the room going over your week, feeling the relief of venting but the discomfort of continuing to stagnate.
@exometria
@exometria 4 ай бұрын
Fantastic video! It helped me reflect on my own history with therapy. I had to go through several to find a good one. Some of the things you pointed out about what good therapists do made me think about the ones I wasn't fully happy with, and I realize that perhaps they didn't do those things. For instance, having a therapist that was too passive and made me do all the work. I'm also an immigrant child, and I felt very validated when you were discussing that point. The unique challenges that came with it were difficult for me to work through, so thank you for bringing that up.
@philipholding
@philipholding 4 ай бұрын
As a (retired) NHS high intensity therapist with an MSc in CBT, I must correct you regarding CBT 'pushing' patients into disclosing their trauma event.This is untrue, I used Cognitive Processing therapy,expsoure therapy, and narrative therapy, and these protocols never did this. What you stated would be therapeutically counterproductive. Yes, avoidance is a barrier to recovery. But through collaboration and utilising socratic questioning, etc, the patient gradually makes sense of their traumatic event. What you are referring to, I think, is flooding. Which is antiquated and debunked
@AnaPsychology
@AnaPsychology 4 ай бұрын
I used to practice primarily CBT. Perhaps I misspoke in the video--what I was trying to say is that, out of all the theoretical orientations, CBT is the only one whose trauma treatment relies on exposure to the traumatic memory and triggers. I agree that it doesn't "push people to disclose their trauma" when done well but, out of all the different treatments, it's the closest one to what Abigail describes, at least in my opinion.
@castirondude
@castirondude 2 ай бұрын
The parents don't trust the therapists. The therapists don't trust the parents.
@carolw3391
@carolw3391 3 ай бұрын
This is such an amazing video. Very informative. I already listen to it about two times. Probably gonna listen to it more. Thank you very much for kinda of content like this✌️👍
@skaylingop9673
@skaylingop9673 4 ай бұрын
33:18 I’m not sure I think they should be able to access their child’s book specifically. That said, that’s not how I interpreted what she said. I took that as, “I’d like to see a copy of this book, in general” like a blank version so I can see what kind of questions it’s asking. - if that’s the case, I wouldn’t see any harm in what she’s doing. - if she was, in fact, asking to see their child’s writing inside that book, yes i think that could be problematic
@Nozomiko
@Nozomiko 4 ай бұрын
I really appreciated listening to this. Thank you very much for the video and your thoughts on the book/author.
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