thre have been several requests for a DNA painter video

i do plan on redoing the 4 part series into (heck it could be daily series lasting a LONG time lol there is a lot real fast. lol the goal was to help as many as possible as fast as possible, now a year has passed and it is time to slow it and get deeper but go slower this is a high priority going forward

Thank you Dawn, not many take the time to say that, its appreciated!

yeah! you might check out teh recent ball/pattern, plus 1 and clustering video set of 3. since you just did this, it may help you a bit in connecting people. let me know.

sorry about that, have you seen the centimorgan video? it might help as it talks aobut the tape measure to measure distances. I think if you watch it to refresh on it,. then the tape measure top left will make sense. once you get it, pretty powerful info it gives

Good idea!

:-) yeah i have found some interesting things along the way. My first call to my grandmothers sister (ironically the only one of the lines that didnt change (doah) she yelled, cussed and screamed at me, to me just be glad i was alive. I could literally hear the spit on the phone as she was simply out of control. I found my great grandmother sold off her youngest daughter for a barrel of apples and other things that i found hard to believe but ended up being the truth. I guess the warning should have been for more than just family secrets. But overall, out of the dozens i have contacted only two have been BSC (bat shit crazy) the rest have been EXTREMELY nice. so dont despair, you simply got a string of them in a row :) (and no one deserves that! i think id have taken a break if i got two or three in arow like those two i got!) on the positive side, you got a good laugh today LOL

@pinwheelgrl you are so correct. I have put down a video a few times from release that is entitled "Modern Eyes" which talks about how we view so many things today without a full understanding of the shoes they walked in as we look at it with "modern eyes". Perhaps one day ill let it out the door but I have held it because it will challenge the paradigms and dogmas of so many on so many issues/topics that i decided to withhold it. But you are correct it is so very important to understand the situations of war. European Proxy wars, and the HUNDREDS of wars held on the soil that is today's united states. The aftermath, the reactions of survivors and what they did to get lives going again with some sense of normalcy. Ty for your post, I may release it after all :)

My family doesn't believe me for whatever reason, but I have a news article that shows that my great great uncle was whoring out his wife to multiple men a day. He got sentenced to basically a community service type of punishment for something like 5 months, and immediately after that they moved from Canada to the States. He then became a dancer lol!! I frequently wonder if any of the children were even his, if any have dna tested they haven't matched me as far as i know!!

1 - Clustering: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i6iYbLtl1s-biKs.html 2 - Putting Tree Together: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g5OFfNV4mdyyiGQ.html 3 - Sourcing: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/baqkZaR4sa2ZqoU.html 4 - Triangulation: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p5mmhsSkv5i7iaM.html I change the descriptions for all 4 videos so others will have this now too. Ty for reminding me to fix this :)

If on a computer the description is easier to read and they are listed in order there. There is a playlist in channel "finding biological family" that has it and also includes terms like CMS, MRCA and others that are explained in the step by step from beginning onward. There is a LIVESTREAM (one) in channel that talks about ball and pattern and the last video i released has a tool i created/released to use that helps TREMENDOUSLY in this! i wish i had it when i was searching! check the livestream and the tool (link in description of that video if on computer, and since its a computer tool that is best way for it). im going ot release another one soon on "tricks" using the tool that will help tool and explain my AHA moment and how the tool can deliver that to you as well (tool is free).

@@DNAFamilyTrees thank you so much.

the group of four have links in description. well i had to create four unique trees until i was able to use triangulation to MERGE them into a master tree, then it was a matter of connecting me as a branch.

@@DNAFamilyTrees Were those four trees on maternal grandmother/grandfather and paternal grandmother/grandfather's? Still trying to understand the whole triangulation thing.

Ok. I recommend the centimorgans video for the measuring that’s a must to understand Color coding shared matches ignore naming conventions as it’s based on if two people related by dna ( names are like paper trails and not always right) Some trees are small and in that case YOU have to build THEIR trees in order to find your information I used four different peoples small trees and built them all out until I was able to connect all four together Then the cms will tell you exactly where you attach Took me 9 months

@@DNAFamilyTrees I have already been building trees with others trees I have a lot of them. (I was only able to connect 2 peoples trees but that was like 2nd or 3rd great grandparent). I have been doing this for a long time. The ones closest related I have searched as much as I can and can't find connections. Most of these are hard to do because of being in Mexico and if I ask for information (from the people with no tree or private trees) none of them reply. It is hard to tell if it is the right people or not. So many people in Mexico with the same or similar names, sooo confusing. I have a lot of brick walls. Thanks for trying.

mrca there is a newer group of videos on topic probably a bit clear.

Most Recent Common Ancestor.

I dont want to assume you watched the centimorgan video, if you havent, id pause and check it out as it helps explain how to measure. the "distance" measurement is the CMS number (centimorgans). think of it like a piece of string and CMS is how long that string is. One end is u, the other is them. now the common ancestor is somewhere in middle (often at the middle or one either direction). Whenu have several matches, some (strings) will be to short to match or to long to match. All distances should end up with perfectly defined distances that all fit together (i probably confused things) Example: lets say you have a cousin and distance is 800 cms. your string goes up 1/2 way and down 1/2 way to that person and looks like a triangle of sorts. Now that cousin has a child. Your cms to them lets say is 400 as it is farther away (numbers smaller the farther they are, larger closer) those two people match each other at 3400cms (close) so your string to person 1, cousin was 800, one more distance step is 400 so we know the next person is their child or perhaps another cousins child since all we know is the 400 to you. we can ask how those to match for cms. if they matched at 400 we know its a child of an unknown cousin, if they match at 3400 we know its their child. Either way when we know the third persons connection to each then we can determine everyones spot in the tree. Triangulation does just this. We may not know how they are related. BUT if we make a tree and define the people we can then find their names and we know how they are related (without knowing their CMS to each other) but knowing their spot in the tree we know exactly what to expect for a number. WE can see if that number fits. once it does we start proving out the tree is correct. if it doesnt fit, then the tree has to be adjusted. The centimorgan video shows DNAPainter, it is an absolute MUST use to help figure these out. dnapainter.com/tools/sharedcmv4 hope this helps

i dont think one exists. maybe (if i can get free time lol) i canmake one and post a link

i am hearing this story more and more. both the story of the secrets which is getting to be about 50% of test takers now and also of the surprises in Ethnicity. (such as my wifes Congo and Cameroon heritage (and in the ethnicity video that is one of those that is 99.99% accurate in projection. The world gets smaller and we all get closer, every day :) Thanks for watching the videos.

If they dna tested and don’t show up then they are not related, if they do they are Without that a transcript won’t help much Dna will verify Iraq’s disqualify

@@DNAFamilyTrees What you said isn't entirely tree. 3rd and 4th sometimes don't show uo. I've seen people on ancestry with my ancestors on their tree but we didn't share DNA.

good Idea i did make a playlist with them but your right, i should do a group link in Facebook or somewhere

@@DNAFamilyTrees Or make sure they are in the descriptions on each part...list all the other parts.

Lots, ill make a new video series on steps, watch for them, it will be exactly what your wanting to know/do.

@@DNAFamilyTrees okay

description should have link to all 4 in each of their descriptions. Also there is a playlist in channel "finding Bio Family" that i recommend.

lol

Same here. The counting up the tree and which numbers meant what had me flummoxed

I should have used something besides black to count, ill do red next time, it will probably show up better. I tried to keep this one faster paced as the last one was an hour and a half. :) somewhere in here i am going ot figure out a happen medium that is shorter but clearer :)

@@DNAFamilyTrees be careful with using too much red and green because of the color blind folks. I never knew until I met my spouse.

AK Sonya that is great information! A LARGE portion of people are color blind My Jones father’s was Sometimes his outfits would be so mixed and matched I thought he was having fun w me Later I learned he was color blind and mother would match up all his clothes in sets The number of color blind men is significant and this is great advice!

Bonzi, have you already done the clustering? (and other steps prior to the triangulation) and you mention All of the dna matches are 3rd cousin or farther away on that side? Are there groups on the other sided when you clustered that had a predominance to be about all higher than the midrange of variance in dnapainter?

​@@DNAFamilyTrees I have been systematically going through the lines and have done a decent job separating the lines. Found quite a few connections in the process for the known relatives and messaged a lot of people who had a dead end on their tree.... maybe they quit, maybe they gave up but I let them know what the relation to my family was with very high confidence. But the unknown line is one of the smallest. I'm pretty confident my mother's father was indeed her father (her grandmother was his mother and that line is all over DNA relative lists). His father is the unknown one and I guess I can't figure out what you're saying about the midrange variance thing... Is that like the rough estimate of what generation back we should have a common ancestor? That's tough. I've got a couple contending surnames but not 100% sure. What is funny is that my grandmother is still alive so it is easy to eliminate and ignore the mother matches... but those are the matches I already know very well anyhow! While I'm very very happy my 92 year old grandmother is still alive, it would sure have been nice for my mother's father to be around. :D My mother was the only child from that first relationship and was her father's only child. Her paternal grandparents (likely not biological grandfather) had 3 children. I have not approached the surviving 2 because we're not close and I don't want to be like "hey, take this test. Oh look! Your brother was your half brother. Damn." There are zero DNA relatives on that side so I'm confident this is the case so I really don't have to bother them anyhow. Maybe it could find out their own father was adopted and that would fit the evidence but I don't think it is likely. Certainly possible. Anyhow, their mother had a single brother who commit suicide and didn't have any children. So the first matches to my mother from her paternal side are all from her great great grandparents...all third cousins and more. Her DNA relatives are basically close family, 1/2 nieces/nephews showing as 1-2nd cousins (maternal), all 2nd cousins are maternal side...and then boom everything 3rd cousin. Thank god I got my grandmother tested! If you've made it through my tl;dr comment, I must commend you not only for that but also for your videos. They're full of great advice and info, tips, etc. I would love to see you discuss in your way how incestual relationships would impact results. I was always curious about that. Does it impact shared DNA cM drastically? Have you encountered that while helping anyone? That's would make a hell of a video.

@@Bonzi_Buddy my research into the Endogamy impact shows that it stays in normal variance but on high side. What i mean by that is using DNA Painter tool ( dnapainter.com/tools/sharedcmv4 ) you can see that there a low to high range and then the average score for those in that category. That average is Not the mid point but average of all in category. This it typically 1/3 higher than the bottom and 2/3 below the top part of the range. Endogamy it appears to be at the 2/3 mark from bottom and 1/3 down from top of the range. Still squarely in range. Blaine Bettinger and Johnny Perl did a GREAT job on that page! While not close they may want ot know ancestry. Tell them it is for SAR research, everyone wants to be a member :) LOL

I feel your pain! I've been doing genealogy off and on for 30 some years, but hardcore the last couple. I've been watching videos all night preparing to jump off the cliff into the nitty-gritty of the DNA because my next step is hard. Like you, I suspect my great grandma's father was not who was claimed and the DNA is going to get pretty muddy because I suspect I already carry it! All my high matches are known and make sense so now I'll have to narrow it down to positions in the tree and cms. I've put it off because I know it's going to get ugly! Haha. Hope you've had some luck since you posted!

That is cool :) small world!

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+Mad Master speaker go out? :-) Recorded dual channel so shouldn’t be one channel only I still get both channels in a playback Not sure why one side only If headset maybe a loose wire If tv might be a frequency thing or speaker issue Bluetooth could be interference on a frequency Not sure Good luck though in finding it 🤓

@@DNAFamilyTrees It's just slightly louder in my left ear.

DNA Family Trees I might have moved left while recording. I’ll watch for that thanks for the heads up

+Stacey Coates I will put the image up on Facebook tonight ( and Pinterest)

facebook.com/groups/821278888247339/ it is up on Facebook, Instagram keeps cropping so not putting there

Julia, I was exactly were you are now not long ago! What are the CMS of these matches?

@@DNAFamilyTrees my closest match is 137..then the next 2 are 109 and 103.. I'm thinking the 137 is my second cousin.. maybe my dad and his dad are cousins or something..? Its so frustrating! I heard back from the one match I share the most with and he said hes going to talk with his dad and try and get some names of his cousins or aunts and uncles and any other family he can think of! So we'll see I guess! How did you get further? By looking at their trees?

have you watched this one yet? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g5OFfNV4mdyyiGQ.html my recommendation would be to click on one of those matches, then shared matches, THEN filter by public trees. This will get you to those matches will help most. If you can spot duplicate family groups then start there and work up one and down as far as you can. I think your on point with the estimation. your dade would be double to them and their dad double that. so 137 would be 274 from your dad to them. 512 from your dad to their dad. Thats likely a half 1c (meaning the dads share a grandparent and thus you share a great grandparent with them) or 1c1r which again means the same thing, your dad and theirs share a grandparent. This helps alot from your greatgrandparent match! you have 8 ggp and they do too do your trying to find one of your 8 that match their 8. but if you know your dad and theirs match too, this is a HUGE help because now one of the 4 of your dad's grandparents matches one of the 4 for their dad. This means you can look for any of the 4 for yours or theirs to figure it out. and with the generations you should be able to find this online. Now going back to that filter mentioned above, look for the surnames of the grandparents in the trees. your close! :) good luck, let us know when you find it!

Julia Abaroa I know this is random but I like helping people on their DNA on my spare time... I’ve helped a few people as well as my own. Feel free to send me an email if you want some more eyes on it ☺️ a.haidley@gmail.com

Alexandra Haidley i need your help

pam i released a tool and accompanyng video with it today. here is the tool www.dnafamilytrees.com/bp/indexV8.html does this help understand "nodes"? let me know because if after this your still confused (and id recommend the livestream video) but if after these two its not clear then i need to make special effort to clear that up. a node is moving from one spot in a tree to the next, can be up or down.

@@DNAFamilyTrees Thanks for the extra info on nodes. Re the new tool: I tried it out. Pretty handy tool. One thing I wonder about. I entered the cM for a match that I already know is a 4th cousin 1X removed. I look at that circle and it is in the red zone indicating multi-line yet the graph says that 4th cousin 1x removed is the most likely relationship so why isn't it in the yellow zone?

@@pam.h4007 Well short form is based on normalization of large datasets and the central limit theorem. this means that division by to being the standardized split, 4C is 10 nodes away from origination. so if we start at 6800 node 1 first split is 3400, 2= 1700, 3 = 850, 4=425, 5=212, 6=106, 7=53, 8 = 26, 9 = 13, 10 is 6. that 10th being 4c. SO what we have then is a cutoff of reporting at 8cm so in Theory 4C would have to be a dual of 6 to show up. 4c1r is 11 nodes out and would require 2x the dual of yellow. Now the TRICKY part, the CMS number you have is WEIGHTED meaning ancestry SHRUNK it, so i i the match list you click on the number you see an unweighted number. This number is actually the number in line with the rest of the pattern. BUT the reason that number is weighted is the TIMBERING which in short is due to the fact, ancestory research found that at 3c and beyond its MORE likely you have multiple path connectivity that a stronger closer MRCA thus they weight the number to estimate the increased distance to the actual MRCA location for us. Since Autosomal drop off begins at 5th generation then anything beyond that 3xggp intersection is very challenging to estimate. i know this is alot going from whats a node to TIMBERING lol sorry aabout that. Also know that due t the divisions, there is not a 4c1r dual connection within the "NORMAL" range of autosomal. as it would require a distance of 11 more than 2x (as that would be 1/2 of 10th node at 6cms for 3cms, times 2 totaling 6cms. 8cms is the cutoff for reporting for ancestry and other services. So short version is, statistically, its more likely that there are some additional influences of CMS to raise it to that number above 8 for reporting (aka at least 2 more CMS from somewhere (or 3). Thats PURE statistically. due to slight variations in passing it COULD be above without requireing additional but as i said, ancestry found that its MOST likely to be more than 1 for the CMS at anything above 3rd cousin, which 4th c and 4c1r would be. Im sure this is quite confusing, but 4c1r wont be in yellow, even inputing the number 1 due to the underlying principle of the central limit theory you just cannot get that number with a DUAL number without swaying the results a deviation away from the normal mean. i know lol a lot of confusing blah blah blah from me that it doesnt do it lol but truly that's why :)

@@DNAFamilyTrees I have been making spreadsheets of matches and comparing share cM with the Shared cM Project tables. I also compared using the beta tool you just shared. Would you like to see a spreadsheet of the results in comparison? there are 25 tests

@@pam.h4007 feel free to email it to dnafamilytrees@gmail.com and also let me know what your seeking to find. maybe we get lucky with a quick look :)

Sorry about that I would recommend the “finding bio family” playlist in order You can help me make a better updated one, we’re did i get you confused exactly I’m sure I lost others there too so it will help me so better next gune