I agree. But do the parents know?

I think they present themselves as tough love and that’s what bad kids need to reform????

They shouldn't exist at all, I can't see at all how a camp can help a child with issues, they need therapy or CPS looking into their family situation instead

I hadn't heard anything about her in about a decade and recently heard about her face turn. It's really cool to see and I hope she gains traction.

@@taddybear4244 This is why I love her...She may be air head, alot. Yet she was one of few rich clebs who dose have her screwed on right, with morals. So what if her XXX tape was leaked at least she was an adult with another adult caught...she had no morally wrong scandals. She has done lot of moral work on dumb laws too.

@@QUEENOBSCURE While I agree with everything except the part of her being an airhead, it's her "thing" an act, it's part of her brand to act that way, she's not actually an airhead and has an IQ of 132. But yes, she and her sister both have decent heads on their shoulders.

@@QUEENOBSCUREI agree however Paris has said she played that role of airhead & she’s very smart not just a reality TV star but a very a successful entrepreneur with a huge portfolio from being a DJ to designing jewellery and cookware, KZfaq channel, She also has a string of collaborations and walks fashion runways for reputed high-end labels and probably more and that was just a search I did that wasn’t including the inheritance from the Hilton family fortune. Paris Hilton has a net worth of USD 300 million in 2024

@@QUEENOBSCUREher airhead thing was an act tbh

What was the program called? Does it still operate? It’s scary this can happen to adults too

⁠@@qwertyhimym The program I was forced into is called Aspiro, and is based in Utah. It is still operating, and as far as I know, is still considered successful. Students who try to flee- we called it running- is a very common occurrence. When I was there, we had eight people attempt, and three succeeded. (Edit for typo)

@@GlasGalahad do you know if they have a parent company? I’m so sorry you went through that.

@@qwertyhimym I'm honestly uncertain. A lot of these places tend to function under private means, since the actual goal is money, not therapeutic aid. We weren't ever aware of the higher-ups, and weren't allowed to ask questions. Also, a quick edit, since I just double-checked their website- apparently they *have* shut down, which honestly makes me feel *so* much relief- I haven't kept up quite as much due to life stuff. And thank you for your kind words, I appreciate it!

@@GlasGalahad I’m so happy they have shut down! I’m glad others don’t have to go through what you did at that program anymore. I know there are lots of other open ones, but definitely a victory to have one less out there. Happy healing🩷

😂😂😂 as someone who was at a place like this I am GIGGLING

@@sydneysovern I'm happy I was able to give you a giggle 🤣

This shit needs to end

Awww I’m sorry for your friend, you sound like a great friend bc that made me tear up at your empathy for them

it's designed to target more conservative "tough love" minded parents who don't care that their mindset is theraputically outdated.

Yeah it's my state too. I'm disturbed for sure.

Not that I think this camp is equipped. I'm disappointed in most professionals and I don't think they sound remotely professional, or respectable

Additional to that, PTSD is not uncommon in autistic individuals. It's debatade how many autistic people may also suffer form PTSD due to it presenting differently then that in a non-autistic individual but most reports suggest (roughly) around 40% of the autistic population may also suffer PTSD.

Wayyyy too many “programs” like these bury all their deaths, it’s not like they have one before they’re shut down. They have to have multiple ones, it’s scary!

Because they are uneducated and don't care that much

Pretty much the situation in most states

I think you're overestimating how kind these parents are. This isnt the 80s anymore where a judge or therapist appointed them to go to a camp, these parents are fully capable of doing their own research and finding their kids actual medical help. But they just want to get rid of their kid so they dont have to deal with them.

There are at least 2 cases of children dying in these camps. If that doesnt deter them, what does that tell you? Im sure their reaction was oh no, how could that have happened? /s

I think she was talking about like non-behavior treatment camps like the typical summer camp kind of thing

I was thinking the same thing. It’s heartbreaking that people who don’t know how to care for a child besides giving it food and water are out here mentally and physically injuring the kids they bore out of their own selfishness. I mean, God forbid that your child is actually a HUMAN BEING that has ups and downs in their mental health. Off to m*rder camp you go! 💔

There is no doubt that the parenting amplifies whatever issues are occurring, but I wouldn't say it's entirely a parent's shitty parenting when we live in a society that has sought to structurally implement punitive laws against poor people. The support a disenfranchised family needs in America does not exist and has been being stripped away for the last 30 years AT MINIMUM (and I am specifically referring to changes in the 90s, such as to TANF, that completely gutted the program that exists to literally keep families from utterly failing). The basics are so clearly f'd up, and we aren't even having a conversation at that basic, fundamental level, because the people effected are already so powerless, they've lost all social capital and respect, except as a broad concept that no one is able to accurately picture or humanize. People aren't listening to or even aware of the people that see the system starkly, and they are so emotionally, physically exhausted that they can't launch the fights to fix the problems keeping them down. There are definitely ways to fix these types of issues, but they can't thrive or exist under the current system. Parents would have to implement a lot of personal work in order to create a changed habitat and ethos, in order to focus on, highlight, and healthily remedy the bombastic issues. And again, that support simply is not there in a meaningful, adequate, HEALTHY way. The connections between people when working on issues are super duper important, and are the least considered element of support, when arguably, nothing is sustainable without a good, healthy, mutually respected connection/relationship. When everyone and no one and nothing will help with the issues you are drowning with, you get stuck with extreme, questionable "solutions" like "troubled youth camps".

Appropriate help for "problem kids" is hard to come by. Everyone and everything is a "mandated reporter", and people often simply don't know how to handle individuals that don't fall in line, especially when there are complex reasons behind the behaviors (and is all further compacted by a severely unsupportive society that lacks ALL appropriate supports). I witnessed a "problem child" in a shelter get physically restrained repeatedly, sometimes by staff, because the kid had a propensity to hit/get violent/be defiant. That kid had some severe issues, and they weren't in a vacuum, but I strongly believe restraint is NOT an effective tool for children with violent or aggressive tendencies. I think it just causes more trauma and rage and violation of boundaries and autonomy. People think physical retorts to issues that stem from more dainty sources than simple "anger" is fine and apropos, which just further reinforces physical violence as a form of power (modeling this for the people who are troubled, showing them that their violent inclinations are appropriate forms of power). Frankly, no one has the time, energy, or even the proper frameworks to address these sorts of issues. They require systemic remedies, and our society won't even acknowledge that the current forms of living are severely harming everyone mentally, emotionally, spiritually. I feel like often parents who are struggling with a child who is a "trouble child" don't have the basic resources to handle it - they are trying to support their family, financially, physically, and don't have the flexibility to seek, trust, or even afford "care". This just makes it so much harder to do "the right thing", because they can't continue to fundamentally support their family when navigating the system (for support) is such a hostile experience. Even the police are utterly useless at addressing any real fears arising from the violent tendencies when it comes to children.

No sympathy for his parents. Their child died because of their recklessness

We need to start charging the parents for sending their kids to these camps, that will stop that shit for sure.

@@katc2040 yes, katc, punishing parents for seeking help in a system where no one has help to offer for such "problem kids" is really gonna fix that problem kid's problems and the family that compacts those problems for the kid. Hold abusers accountable instead of victims. You don't know what other people's paths have been like. If we all take an eye for an eye, everyone will be blind. Punitive actions done seeking to implement "correct" behavior only compacts damage. Compassion, grace, sensitivity are needed for healing, even in the most hardboiled. The more tense we make the chains, the less wiggle room and flexibility each link has to seek out their individual expression, as a poorly framed concept for responding to "unexpected" or "unallowed" behaviors. I can almost guarantee you, responding to a problem with "anger", even when that problem is using anger, never makes the "problem" feel safer, relaxed, or more capable or valued. Appropriate modelling of the desired behavior is critical - and all you have to do is look at how the system models "appropriate behavior" to see why our "remedies" to these types of things, or any fundamental Maslow's Hierarchy of needs categories, are in such rotten, festering condition.

That’s awesome. I’m glad to hear they were so accepting and accommodating. I’m on the spectrum and it always hurts to hear about autistic kids being completely excluded from experiences like that.

Ever hear of 'let the punishment fit the crime'? What offense are you imagining a _12-year-old_ could've committed that warrants being zipped into an airtight plastic bag?

The only way I could see this being even remotely justified is if the kid was literally a r*pist or a murderer. Even Venables got treated more humanely than this FFS.