Quite possibly.

Bad duelist? No, I don't think so. I agree they low balled him there. I left a very long comment on the video I believe you are referring to. However, I do not think he's great though as some others seem to insinuate. As a duelist, Yoda disarmed him and Mace could only fight him to an impasse until the aspects of the false shatterpoint came into play. Sidious made Maul and Savage look like clowns and we've seen what Savage can do to council members, Maul as well.

A lot of their analysis stems around speculation, which is one of the things I usually disagree with in their vids. Jensaarai and his Yoda antics (even though many sources say he is indeed the best duelist the Jedi have seen) Evan and his Hoth > Bane mentality, and Reti and his Mace > Yoda musings, when that is factually incorrect in Star Wars lore.

Beg your pardon Antoine but I think you need to look at the context. Palpatine "made Maul and Savage look like clowns" through Force Augmentation, not skill. Jensaarai1 and co. pointed out how throughout that duel Palpatine was using a lot of sloppy, inefficient moves that only "worked" because of the massive strength and speed edge the Force grants. As I've said before it's like giving the Flash a sword and having him cut down a bunch of guys. Does that mean the Flash is an amazing swordsman? Of course not! He's just so fast he doesn't need to be skilled.

+Wright805 Alright ... Let us run with that line of thought. If Sidious was not skilled and Windu could match him 1:1 with regards to augmentation, explain why Windu could only fight him to an impasse, only disarming Sidious through a false and planted shatterpoint. "Vaapad made him an open channel, half of a superconducting loop completed by the shadow; they became a standing wave of battle that expanded into every cubic centimeter of the Chancellor's office. There was no scrap of carpet nor shred of chair that might not at any second disintegrate in flares of red or purple; lampstands became brief shields, sliced into segments that whirled through the air; couches became terrain to be climbed for advantage or overleapt in retreat. But there was still only the cycle of power, the endless loop, no wound taken on either side, not even the possibility of fatigue. Impasse. ... Mace leveled his blade. "You lost for the same reason the Sith always lose: defeated by your own fear." Palpatine lifted his head. His eyes smoked with hate. "Fool," he said. He lifted his arms, his robes of office spreading wide into raptor's wings, his hands hooking into talons. "Fool!" His voice was a shout of thunder. "Do you think the fear you feel is mine?"" _Revenge of the Sith novelization_ Because Sidious is actually skilled and powerful. He trained with Plaguies for decades. And as Baka pointed out, forms like Shii-Cho, Ataru and Juyo only function in conjunction with the Force, not without. And to say Sidious is nothing without the Force is as irrelevant as saying Spider-Man is nothing without his sixth sense, or Superman is nothing without our sun. When looking at the capabilities of these characters we look at them at full capacity, not some "what if" that suits a bias.

Yes do one with Ezra Bridger plz

brood stomps. She's a jedi knight level who contended with galen marek and gave him a good fight. Ezra, according to a conversation I had with versus content creator Dimond_360, is low to mid level padawan. His best bets are ahsoka (from TCW season 1-2 and the TCW movie) and zayne carrik.

Maris BROOD easily

Thanks Red! That was the intention!

+Antoine Bandele No problem man! Keep up the great work! PS: I've finally gotten my first Match prepared! Imperial Stormtrooper Division Vs. Imperial Guardsmen from the Warhammer universe. it's going to include basic Troopers, armored vehicles and tactics. Perhaps in the future may be expanded to Starships as well to make a two-stage battle? What do you think?

Nice, I figured Komari would win because she's more experience then Kanan if not better 😉

Oh and one question are you going to use toph from the last air bending or the legend of Korra?

ventress vs komari

Moonshadow 554: It also has to do with Kanan's connection to the Force, an his inability to channel deeply in any sustainable way. . . Both characters are their _Last Airbender_ iterations. Supersmily Gamer: Ventress > Vosa in a very comfortable majority for Ventress.

hmmm, what about a funny versus shorts, for example Rey vs padme???

Would he still win? Even with a better chance it's something I highly doubt him pulling off. I saw that clip of him being disarmed. For someone who is more connected he still fails to sense even the most meanial things. If his performance was similar to Rahm Kota's he'd definitely get the win. But as he is now he's sitting between the 10th brother and Rahm Kota due to the his disarming by the trandoshan. Isn't AoTC Kenobi a tier 4 while Kanan is a tier 4.5?

@@baki484 Yeah, looking back at this, I was probably too generous with Kanan lol Vosa would have to directly threaten Ezra or Hera to really push him into defeating her, otherwise, Kanan would perform the same as he did against the Seventh Sister. But him being comparable to AoTC Kenobi still stands, except, as you pointed out, Obi Wan is a full Tier 4, Kanan doesn't compare in lightsaber skills, and his Force Sight suffers from Filoni's PIS. One thing that annoys me so much about Kanan is how they keep yapping about him being bogged down by his fears and insecurities so many times, despite having multiple "moments of clarity/oneness with the Force". Beats the GI because he let go of his fear and because of Jar'Kai, still struggles against Space Team Rocket and needs his spirit's approval to be knighted. He's depressed and dejected after losing his eyesight early in Season 3, then learns Force Sight, performs decently in large scale combat, but still so many ridiculous anti-feats because of Filoni's writing. All of his biggest achievements happened due to frantic sink-or-swim situations, but has never truly grown consistently. That's what's so frustrating. It's a very similar case with Crylo Ren : overhyped by reference guides and comics, yet still inconsistent and laughably basic.

@@yrooxrksvi7142 if the character is not Ahsoka they are a chump to filoni unfortunately. Kanan is just written as a guy who can't seem to hold onto his lessons as you have stated. how many times does he have to learn to trust in the force and let go of his fear? Wouldn't Vosa probe him since these match ups are about both combatants going in cold with no outside help? I assume she would threaten him but it's not until those people are actually threatened or actually hurt before he opens himself up. Had Ahsoka not been there Maul would've finished him off something his defenders tend to forget. Speaking of Kenobi what are your thoughts on his force power/potency? Because if I'm not mistaken he didn't show much promise and Qui Gon took him in after Kenobi helped him stop Xanatos. He grew the way he did through sheer dedication with the culmination of his skills putting at tier 2.

@@baki484 1. Exactly. Filoni's favoritism for Ahsoka is now borderline Mary Sue treatment. After early Season 3, Kanan was just left kinda aimless, so they just killed him off because they had no idea of what else to do with him, other than recycling the angst and self-doubt arcs a billion times. 2. Kanan has no defenses against telepathic attacks, so she'd likely get under his skin pretty quick. So on neutral ground, she wins. 3. AoTC Obi Wan was pretty strong but had a long way to go. But yeah, in his early years, he was a late bloomer with Bruck Chun often bullying him. He is the quintessential High Council Master for a good reason.

Someone else mentioned this earlier.

Thanks man I tried. That was my intention for both characters. To get people exposed on both sides of Star Wars, both canon and obscure Legends.

Ahsoka vs Komari Vosa.. How about...Komari VOsa vs Bariss Offee

Dread Dark why Bariss?

Steven Zissimos IMO I think it would be a could fight between the two. Both are Dark Jedi just in there own ways. One is insane in her reason. The other abit with a motive for it.

Ahsoka, Kyle, Mara, and Grevious would be the winners in those versus in my opinion, but all of them would make great discussions.

Ian Keating I think so too.

Thanks Dante! Gotta give a showcase to those obscure Legends character, and vice versa. For those who have no looked at the new canon and are holding onto a Legends-only mentality.

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Now we know. Kota stomps

Rahm Kota had injuries he wasn't aware of, survived the arena on katonamoidia (spelled it wrong I know) for a week before being rescued and still has enough fight in him vs Kanan (at the height of his power) gets disarmed by Ruhk, needs to focus to move what is essentially a withering bridge and needs oneness to to create a barrier. I go with Kota who can do all Kanan can and then some without some epiphany in the force.

Nah, he's a Jedi Guardian.

Sentinel who in a different time could have been a jedi watchmen

Kanan is like a reverse Obi Wan Kenobi in terms of development, and almost on par with his AoTC self. Only whereas Kenobi was a Jedi Guardian with the attitude of a Consilar, Kanan was a Guardian who acted like a Sentinel, infiltrating and sabotaging enemy bases.

Heh

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Not a bad thought. But I'm gonna use Zayne first.

All aboard the hype train!

Kinda

+Pigpen077 the vision was from Yoda tho so Yoda basically knighted him

EKOwillco5 Wasn’t it the force? It’s been a while so I might not remember Yoda being in it, but thought it was literally just the force.

Probably happening after Season 4. Ezra as well.

Thank you.

Thanks! I'm really thankful to Turk for providing a voice for Depa Billaba in my "mock" motion-comic for _Kanan #2._

Antoine Bandele That was cool, I really liked that part.

maul stupidly feeds mace's vaapad and mace blows him away. Done

luke and leia stomp.

Hopefully he doesn't take a back seat like he did in Season 2.

I guess it depends how much the writers wanna focus on him and his blindness.

Komari vs Grand Inquisitor could be cool.

GrandLego Ma Yes but it would be difficult since cal is from a video game. Haven’t finished the game yet. Who do you think?

I think it would be tough but kanan was just more focused than cal he was also wiser

dem cheetos Yeah I agree

Cal is sort of a Starkiller and Kyle Katarn lite, partly due to his videogame nature. He has a very broad array of Force powers and skills at his disposal, none too powerful, but just enough to serve their purpose, his lightsaber is very unique since it can split in two. And unlike Kanan, he took down two Inquisitors and a Dark Jedi, not just one, having no familiarity with the Ninth Sister beforehand either. What makes it interesting here is that Kanan, despite being a physical brawler, taller and more muscular, took a very safe approach with his Soresu/Ataru mix. Whereas Cal, who looks scrawny and nimble, has a more power-based fighting style with one blade (I'd say Shii-Cho, Djem So with slight elements of Ataru) and has taken it a step further into Trakata and Niman thanks to the split saber.

Rico Chico Malico did it. Look it up

Screenwriters ... almost never ... But the animators, I would hope, give it some thought. Mara Jade vs Maul should be good. Would be a good introduction to Mara Jade on this channel.

I didn't feel anything significant could be pulled from his fight with Vader, as they were so far removed from each other in terms of power/skill level.

Antoine Bandele Well, we all saw how Vader nearly killed Ezra. Only Sith Lords could be capable of such creepy creativity.

Also, Vader wasn't even trying in their fight. He was simply beating the crap out of them to scare them further and continue his plan of having them lead him to the Rebel fleet. Vader could have killed all of the Rebels in no more than 30 seconds if he wanted to.

Furious Sherman Valid point.

HAH

As of now we have a "set" version of Kanan, and that's pre-blind Kanan.

+Antoine Bandele still you're using a developing character against a already developed character would be like using orbalisk bane instead of bane as he is I think you jumped the gun with this one

I'm glad I'm not the only one comparing Kanan to Daredevil on this website.

You can't win on KZfaq. I've seen so many suggestions for Kanan here and when he finds a way to use him people then go . . . wait, wait, wait . . . too soon, too soon. Never even saw a comment like this on the vote video.

It's the same thing as using Blind Kota or non-Blind Kota. They are two different characters with different abilities. Kanan being blind will be a big alteration for his character, so we have this set character now. Almost like TPM Maul and TCW Maul and Rebels Maul. Whatever happens to Blind Kanan, it will pretty significantly different, whether for better or worse. With regards to Kota, for instance, he never was the same and never was as good as he was before. This could be different for Kanan, and I hope it is. Because I feel when he is forced to use the Force, is when he does the best. But losing something like sight will be a big deal.

I'm sure Katara vs Zuko would come up at some point.

+Antoine Bandele Yeah probably, and like I said, I like the idea behind this match as well.

He's never coming back to it. It's only Avatar content now.

I too look forward to Kanan's development, especially how he handles being blind. And oh yes, Avatar has not gone anywhere. It is firmly on this channel.

In a way, becoming blind might be the best thing for him.

Antoine Bandele Well...... that's dark

That was a spiritual Knighting, not an official one. Was all in Kanan's head. Also ... what!? Blind Kanan able to destroy her? What kind of feats back up that statement!? Plus, the basis of what you are saying, that Kanan's inconsistency would giver her the win the first _few times_ they met, is in favor of Vosa.

He would leave if he got overwhelmed by her unless he could not for some reason. fighting her again he would do better than the first just like with the inquisitor's. The spiritual knighting still requires a certain amount of skill or experience for it to happen. Also blind kanan is more in tune with the force. on these grounds I must disagree. the first time they fight would go in her favor but he would be able to escape specially if ezra is there too. but at some point he would remember his strengths and make use of them. his down fall would be in his refusal to execute her after defeating her, unless she pushed the attack some how after in which I then believe he would do her in but only out of necessity. that is the other thing I forgot to take into consideration.

CJ Sabo Have you seen Season 3 of Rebels or something? Highly doubtful. You have no feats to back up your claims about Blind Kanan.

Her is forced to rely on the force instead of his eyes. That is the feat to backup my claim. I guess we will just have to see.

CJ Sabo You still have no presented any feats, just speculation fam.

While Rebels abused plot armor to death, Vader purposely left him and Ezra alive because he wanted them to lead him to the Rebel fleet.

Thanks Captain.

In Maul's defense, he never fought a blind Force-user before.

HK-47. He's basically the Deadpool of Star Wars.

It would still be a good battle

Tutaminis is off the table given the massive Amp he received from his oneness with the force and lothal being a lightside Nexus which he was drawing from. But everything else I agree.

I know I'm three years late, but Ferus would stomp Kanan. If we put them at their respective peaks, fighting a few Inquisitors and Dark Siders on even terms is good. But Ferus was being trained by Sidious to replace Vader because of their similar power, skill, and potential. I mean the guy fought Vader on near even ground. Edit: He was at least of master of Makashi and/or Ataru with some skill in Soresu and maybe even some training in Juyo (he would occasionally give himself to the flow of battle, which is a either an indicatorfor Shii-Cho or Juyo as both emphasize giving yourself to sensation and the Force). He also favored Dun Möch after his training with Sidious. He was also a highly developed Force wielder (Palpatine believed he rivalled Vader) with potent skills in telekinesis, telepathy, physical augmentation, illusions, Force Concealment, and moderate levels of hydrokinesis. Oh yeah, he can also Force Scream, use Battle Mind, Dark Side Rage empowerment, precognition, has moderate success with Shatterpoint, and has a large amount of Dark Side knowledge that he absorbed like a sponge. He is also extremely physically capable and has a great amount of endurance. He ran a fast-paced and deadly duel with Darth Vader and was gripped and tossed around the room and battered and bruised to high Heaven. Vader even said he should be dead. Yet less than a few hours later (give or take it isn't specified, but is implied to be a short amount of time) he gets out of an infirmary with nearly full access to his abilities and regains a good portion of his strength. He would outclass Kanan so badly it wouldn't be funny. He's a better match for a Council Master, with all of his skills and abilites at least. A better match for Kanan would be Jax Pavan, Xanatos, or anyone from mid-Knight/Inquisitor to high-tier Padawan/Apprentice. I'm not saying Kanan isn't skilled or powerful in his own right, but he isn't a Master-level opponent, and would be slaughtered by anyone who is. Like for example Ferus Olin.

@@austinkersey2445 how about ferus vs rebels ahsoka? I had this conversation with someone else

@@lapplandkun9273 I would honestly say Ferus. He just has too many abilities that have been taken to either the nth level or have been taken to a high level. His lightsaber skills and hers are probably the most even they get, but I would say he maybe edges her out. His physical abilities are beyond hers as well, possessing a damn-near Olympic physique in his prime with good agility, strength, durability, and great reflexes. She has a pretty good body to work with, but it's pretty clear her agility is her primary (and most developed) attribute. Her strategy and tactics are pretty straightforward in that she doesn't plan a fight ahead of time and plays the situation by ear most of the time. Ferus on the other hand loves to prepare for battle and manipulate opponents by telepathically probing them (thanks Sidious as if he wasn't already a Force and lightsaber prodigy but now this) and then exploiting any fears or failings he finds. He's just too strong for her to contend with in my opinion. Especially since he was a contender to replace Darth Vader and put Vader through an actual stressful situation. She would put up a pretty good fight though. He would likely extremely winded by the end of the fight, and likely a little injured. That said I don't see it being anything a day in the bacta tank wouldn't fix. A good matchup for her would be Shaak-Ti or perhaps Ki Adi-Mundi. I would say give my Old Republic era Jedi some lovin' but someone already did a video on her vs Bastila Shan. As for Kanan I think Rahm Kota would be a good fit (makes sense given their shared affliction), which I think Kanan would still lose. It just wouldn't be by as much as if Kanan was pitted against Ferus. To be fair to Kanan about 99% of all Jedi and Sith would have a tough time against Ferus. The guy's a monster. The only Force wielders able to outright best Ferus in his time would be Yoda, Sidious, and Vader (at the time of Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi).

She'd kick his arse 😂

+Luke Woods 😂😂

+Luke Woods Further proves how the Clone Wars is better than Rebels.

Ian Keating not really, she's just way more experienced than he is. She's fought Ventress and General Grevious many times, plus learning from Anakin and Obi-Wan.

+Luke Woods Very true.

I actually would say Luke > Jinn.

I would actually love to see that. Legendary defensive duelist against someone who uses an extremely unorthodox weapon. The way I see it, it would end one of two ways. Either she just stomps him with ease, the way she did in her first encounter with Luke, thanks almost entirely to her weapon, or Obi-Wan is able to defend against the hybrid lightwhip, in which case his power in the Force makes it an easy victory for him, due to Lumiya's shortcomings in that area. Either way, it'd probably be a stomp for one side.

Obi-Wan. Almost nothing can penetrate his Form 3 defense and his calm, disciplined focus combined with his Force abilities would allow him to curbstomp Lumiya.

Thanks Way.

But . . . he didn't lose badly.

Jeff Collins *cries* He did...........HE DID!! I like Kanans Character but JEEZUS HE SUCKS AS A FIGHTer I cant get behind a likable character who cant even leap certain obsticales.......when Blinded Kanan returns and............hope fully does something good if not impressive...I WANT A REMATCH!! But for real tho....Kanan................*looks at feats*.........needs work.

So his standing as a character is judge just by his fighting ability?

Psychonis Yup if your all talk and no action your nothing but a talker. He is just Sha Gi with a personality basically, with posters and him as the central character. Not that intersting if he cant even grow in power against the many who attempt to stop him. TO me he is a failure as a protagonist (Pre blinded) idk his true prime but Season 1-2 Kanan is a joke.

Dread Dark So his past struggles as padawan surviving the war and trying to make his way in the galaxy, his relationship with Ezra and the crew, and his efforts be help the early rebellion and become a true Jedi don't really matter to him as a character because he is not the best fighter and that some guy on KZfaq gives his unofficial opinion that he would lose to Vosa? Really?

That's awesome to hear!

This actually helped me iron out the wrinkles in a personal Jedi character I created. I even made a multiform light saber for him in 3D, just to see what I could come up with(here's the link: thanos-daresaidus.deviantart.com/art/Beacon-omni-weapon-646193419 ). I can even make you a custom light saber, for free because I enjoy designing.

abeloth eats nilhlus

Oh my Lego Lord!

thx!

Muroomaa!

+Antoine Bandele lmao hey Antoine!!

Antoine is not doing Star Wars content again. Also, Ahsoka beats Trilla and Ventress destroys Vosa.

Komari faced Maul just before _The Phantom Menace._ Plagueis was still alive at that point.

Yep yep. You should check out my VS covering Xanatos.

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***** They're actually similar: renegade, blind Jedi who got crippled by a Dark Sider voiced by Sam Witwer... think about it. Besides, you two are taking this too literally; it was meant as a joke since Disney seems to dismiss the EU, yet takes so many fucking ideas from it.

Haydz gamez It's one thing to make an EU character canon, it's another to deny it being canon and then making a complete rip-off. Can you comprehend this?

Haydz gamez yes it is.

Haydz gamez Because the characters are essentially copy-pasted Legends characters.

Haydz gamez I am not talking about Thrawn; Oh my God how old are you? Do you understand taking a an EU character and making him canon, and stealing an EU character's design and personality and story aren't the same thing?

Thanks Mark.

Thanks 72.

Would have loved to see him be more brutal, kinda like he was with those stormtroopers at the prison. But I understand how he wants to set a good example for Kanan.

You should see Bode Akuna as an example for how you want Kanan to be.

I don't comfortably back Kanan due to his inconsistency. I truly do believe as a default, he is Inquisitor level, which isn't far off from Komari.

Antoine Bandele Yeah, I do wish he was more consistent and employed his force power in fights more. That's unlikely to happen with Rebels though what with the need to maintain stakes and thus the necessity of Kanan and Ezra struggling against whatever villain of the week they're put against.

I wonder if some of his issues werent from being so rusty for so long with a blade after the purge on top of writing issues on consistency(it is a kids show) but it will be interesting to see how they develop both Master and Student no?

Bastion83 Yes, definitely.

What evidence do you have that supports your claim of Kanan having some of the best strength feats in the method? Or do you mean in canon only?

That's under the notion that Kanan could match Komari's skill, which has not been displayed. Right now you are likening Kanan's level of Soresu to that of the grand master of the form, and I've not seen anything from Kanan that makes this the case.

I plan on using Arcann after the next SWTOR expansion, but not against Revan.

+Antoine Bandele Nice one, it'd be a interesting fight.

Vosa vs Xanatos would be extremely close.

Antoine Bandele I know right!? It is my favorite out of these.

Antoine Bandele​​ So will you make that a video? And what do you think about my other suggestions? I changed the Ahsoka one from Rebels Ahsoka to TCW Ahsoka.

I would if I were into Master Chief. Maybe I could do that as a collaboration?

anakin mace obi wan

Thanks for explaining!

hey man no problem, if I couldn't explain my thesis I wouldn't be a proper analyst

Feats*

Right, which is why I think the fight ending so early or this bring a "stomp" as very unlikely.

Thanks Thomas.

Thanks Max.

+Haydz gamez Yeah, pretty much. Obi-Wan's Form 3 defense is unparalelled, but he's been shown to be outmatched against better duelists, such as Count Dooku, and the only duelist on Dooku's level was Mace Windu. The Grand Inquisitor is definitely the better duelist, but he wouldn't be able to definitively knock Savage down, and Savage would brute-force his way through the Grand Inquisitor the same way he brute-forced Adi Gallia on Florrum. Finally, this one's close. Pre Vizsla was able to go toe to toe with Darth Maul, but Maul wasn't using his Force abilities as he had challenged Vizsla to honourable single combat. Assuming that the rules of honourable single combat do not apply in a matchup of Ventress and Vizsla, Ventress' Force abilities would give her the edge. Had Maul used his Force abilities against Viszla, he'd have wiped the floor with him, and while Ventress is nowhere near as powerful as Maul, she'd still be able to beat Vizsla by using her Force abilities.

Mace wins, though, like Dooku in the RotS novel, through physical and Force superiority, not duelling skill. Savage should crush the Inquistor instantly. Asajj ruins Viszla.

Heh

Kanan did _not_ use his deep force connection of the Force, that's exactly why it did not largely factor in. His deep connection came under duress and peril, not by his own will or control.

Consistent inconsistency is Kanan's greatest weakness in this match. That's why I think you should have withheld this match until after the end of Season 3 and given Kanan time to become consistently consistent.

Not stronger, just more proficient and overt. Him lifting a stone bridge is not much different from him lifting a caved in rock ceiling in the New Dawn novel. It's just a matter of clearing his doubts. He still got thrown into space by Maul. Besides, his lightsaber skills pretty much capped at Season 2, as he was disarmed easily by some random Trandoshan and then by Rukh. At best, he's on par with AoTC Kenobi.

​​@@yrooxrksvi7142 The bridge needed to be loosened by Rex and saw before Kanan could do that and even then he needed to a moment to gather his energies would've been better if he loosened it on his own. The bridge became increasingly lighter as it crumbled away.