You can actually have railgun with the 3x3 mantlet, you just attach a barrel piece to the firing piece, and then attach the mantlet to the end of said barrel piece. It may not look or sound like it works, but it does, I used this trick to make a frontsider.

I haven't thought much of this whole "undergrowth overgrowth" concept before, this vastly helps my APS designs, thanks Borderwise!

"anything beyond this starts to get a teeny weeny bit silly" Now I've got to make some kind of dakka ship with a turret that has like 10 miniguns. The megalodon will not defeat me, it's shells will be deleted before they can hit.

The bug where you can put the mantlet further down the barrel has been patched, but I discovered from someone else that you can actually offset mantlets, and they will still attach. So, you could shift the elevation mantlet up 1m so the bottom attaches to the gun, and attach 3 rails. You could also attach only the corner of a 3m omni mantlet to have 2 rails attached, though it’d be a bit jank.

Another minor point: having a mixture of numbers of clips per loader (say, some with 2 clips and some with 1, or any other combination) does *weird* things. Not bad, necessarily, but counterintuitive. You get "bursty" fire - so you'll have periods of much higher fire rates (when the various clip-number cycles align) and periods of much lower fire rate (when they're all on their gaps at once). This can be a thing to aim for deliberately (the burst periods can help to cut through annoying LAMS systems), but can also be annoying and confusing. This can also be an advantage of having multiple firing pieces: you get a slightly lower overall fire rate but (assuming you get the fire rates to match exactly or force it via syncing) you get more projectile HP per volley, and thus better performance against LAMS.

For rail-hybrid guns, I like using a vertical 4-clip loader tetris. You start with one four-clip loader right in the center of the turret (though you can remove that afterwards if you want two or four firing pieces). Then, in an offset way, you slot in four more 4-clip loaders around it, in rotational symmetry. This fills out a 7x7 turret with 12 tiles of gap around the outside that you can use for rail chargers and recoil absorbers. You can go further then - add one more set of loaders, and you have 9 loaders with 24 tiles of gaps in a 9x9 turret, 13 loaders with 32 tiles of gaps in an 11x11 turret, 21 loaders with 32 tiles of gaps in a 13x13 turret and so on.

in yoda voice: "hurmm how much recoil does this thing have?" **fires the gun** the bote with a 400mm gun slapped on it's hull: **goes into a different dimension**

The unde/overgrowth is how I built my APS when i was still playing FTD. The complexity of the game and the constant changes invalidating existing guides made me drop it, hopefully just until it is fully released.

tetris with APS is always a downhill spiral... that why i always have a pillow nearby for screaming

very helpful to get me going again and avoid some of the traps.

Personally, my method is middle growth. A single layer in between autoloaders, adding extra cooling in the turret cap as needed.

"you're playing a sube based game and you're using the number three" this perfectly fits what 99% of troubles I have in FtD

Glad to see a part 2. Keep up the good work!

Thanks for the vid! I’ve been working on a meg killer and been fighting the aps guns

railgun 203 mm/50 3rd Year Type No.2 in a Model E turret and a railgun 356 mm/45 41st Year Type in a twin turret ammo used Armor-Piercing (AP) Shell and High Explosive (HE) Shell and Semi-Armor-Piercing (SAP) Shell

Big big help for my upcoming zeppelins

The quad barrel design, You could probably replace the recoil absorption with stone and make the weapon controller completely EMP resistant instead. That is if recoil isn't an issue on the craft you're using it on. I must have missed an update because I don't remember a APS Shell defuser ever being added. Kinda makes my APS turret designs obsolete because I place metal beams inside the tetris to prevent the entire turret from exploding.

Amazing

This video is the good

Did a very long break from FTD, and missed some huge changes it seems... This is much easier to build than last APS i did. And also results in a significantly better gun after i just optimised that thing for current system. Kinda sad, there's not much space for mastering now... But also kinda happy, now my guns can be worth a damn at last x) And smaller-than-10005000-blocks guns are not worthless too! Also, another reason for multi-gun turrets: a decent way to overcome enemy defences when you can't afford or don't want dakka spam. Fire in huge volleys via many synchronised guns, they won't have time to shoot down every single shell before impact.

Regarding the unfortunate symbolism setup: It does not matter whether you have 2 autoloaders with 2 clips + 2 autoloaders without clips or you have 1 clip on each autoloader, the reload time is going to be the same.

Nice tutorial

good vid

Like the Celtic recoil knot, lol

One thing to note that I realised just yesterday. YOU CAN have just one intake on autoloader with clip and while it sayslow RPM according to the intake speed, it still fires as fast as autoloader RPM as long as that clip has ammo. Not perfectly useful except for big clip setups where you can have the clip sustained fire for longer periods time or if space available is really in premium.

i bet this video will come in handy when i finally get around to building a battleship because i always want big guns on one but big APS seemed to complex for me so i just resorted to CRAMS i believe its because of that i don't build battleships

"and the main reason behind having multiple firing pieces is cause it looks cool" also the only problem i have with this is t u r r e t c a p

Triple guns do be a pain in the butt to equally distribute rpm But they look cool as shit

Ohoh, looks like Borderwise needs an aps tetris lesson of his own... No offence intended but i do see some common inefficiencies in the tetris of the guns. Nobody knows everything though, everyone can (and should) keep learning.

I despise the nazis for ruining such a nice efficient shape, its a good way to arrange things tainted by some of the worst of recent human history

swirl pattern sounds a lil bit better that swatztika pattern lmao

How do you decide the gauge/shell length/autoloaders length balance? Excuse me if I answer my own question, but wouldn’t it be: deciding your shell gauge, find out what kind of autoloaders you can fit and split them into smaller autoloaders if you want to drape firepower for fire rate, then cram in as many modules as you can? If someone has a better way please tell me. I just spent 2 mins repeating the same word to myself trying to get my mental rant on track in my bed at 1am.

Do an adventure mode video series...

43:30 KGV, Dunkerque, Richelieu ;)

What advantage do multiple barrels provide? If the cooling and loading is split between each barrel, and gauge increases don’t take much volume, how is say, a 18mm single-barrel different from a 6-barrel one? I’m kind of confused why all of his 250mm guns at the beginning of the video didn’t just use a single barrel…

Ok, Borderwise. This be cool vid. This be really cool vid. But ya missed something. One important, big big big HUGE thing you did not talk about is the fire rate loss of varying clip counts. This is something I did wrong for years before a kind gentleperson on the discord slapped me (platonically) for it, allow me to explain. TLDR: if some of your autoloaders have x clips attached and others have y clips attached, if x and y are different it can easily cost you 5-15% fire rate because of game mechanics. Every autoloader in an APS system has a cooldown, and therefore a provided fire rate. The autoloader fire rate in the UI is merely a summation of the fire rates of the individual autoloaders. Clips don't have a cooldown of their own, instead they reduce the cooldown of the autoloader they're attached to. So an autoloader with one clip attached will have half its base cooldown (and therefore double its base fire rate), with two clips cooldown is 1/3d of base (base cooldown is solely dependent on shell). So the whole ammo setup gets reduced to a number of loaders that are either primed or on loading. When the gun starts firing, it looks at the available autoloaders and picks the shell from one, quasi-randomly. Then when the gun is cooled, it will pick from the next primed loader. If cooling and loading are perfectly balanced, and all autoloaders have the same cooldown, when the gun has gone through all loaders the first one is just loaded so the cycle starts anew. But what if clip counts vary? Well, now we run into a problem where occasionally multiple autoloaders will come off cooldown simultaneously, or too close to each other for the gun to cool down. What this means in practical terms is that your autoloaders will spend some amount of time... waiting. Which means their fire rate is lowered, and with it, the fire rate of the entire system. I've run some simulations and even a bit of mixing can give you a 5% fire rate reduction. It is definitely something to look out for when designing APS.

Deffinatly see your style in this with most of the coolers being placed in the top cap of the gun. Less defensive but fires more shells down range

was i making a mistake replacing excess cooling with rail chargers for the velocity assist? im suddenly worried i have misinterpreted something i thought i had started to get a grasp of.

Is there a good ratio of autoloaders to clips that you should aim for?

i have a 11x11 500mm with a 2.3 reload 2x8m loader array 24k dmg

52:40 ammo controller in center.

how are your guns so accurate??? I keep trying XD and I am aware that multibarrle suffer a penalty, but when I try a 3 barrel they wiff. I cant make my super frigate without them lol (might be a recoil problem though?)

Ok, so. I know this video was posted over a year ago, but i am hoping someone can tell me how he can get that beautiful copper colour? And if you know can you tell me the values you use? Please, i need to know!!!

In terms of balancing, does the barrel cooldown time need to match the system's rate of fire? Intuitively, it should, isn't it? Having barrel cooldown time longer than the rof means the system must wait before it shoot again, wasting its rof.

I’m making a small boat and I don’t know which is better for a 3x3x4 turret. A 105rpm 120 mm gun with belt fed loaders or a 2 meter loader at a similar gauge. And what shell to use for both of those guns.

Ok so what’s the diffrence between 1m and 3m loaders? I made a cannon that has 3m loaders and it does the same damage as my 1m loader…

I thought there was a discord for this channel

How the hell did you get the double guns working? I try to do the same thing with 3 z-axis offset guns and they perpetually say "NO SHELL LOADED"

The recoil rings aren't unfortunate symbolisms, they're clearly shurikens / pinwheels, since they poke out further than their bases. Honestly... just stop playing into the "symbolism" and just call them all pinwheels.

Should an aps turret be 1/2 the cost of the entire craft if the whole craft cost 120000?

There magazines not clips

Heeeyyyyyyyy How do we submit for a showcase?

Somehow I feel like multi-gun turrets always do more damage, I can’t explain it but they always simply seem much more powerful than single gun ones. Maybe it’s just the shells hitting at the same time are a lot more likely to break blocks rather than damage them when they hit

Bruh he makes this sound so much more complex I just stick cooling units on then autoloader shell around it

Does anybody else think the voice becomes slightly distorted when the guns start firing ?

Ya know, if you simply turned your stuff the other direction your stuff wouldn't have the unfortunate symbolism.

Adventure mode when?