ROWING TECHNIQUE: WHY PAUSING AFTER THE FINISH MAKES A LOT OF SENSE (at low steady state)

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In low steady state rowing, a definete pause at the finish is often debated. Does it make sense or not? In my humble opinion, it does. Moreover, I perceive it to be upmost helpful to prepare your technique for race pace - where almost not pause is left.
Some could argue that this is not so much a pause but more a slow motion, with lots of focus on trunk tension and pelvic control.
This will work as well, as long as the sequence is kept clean at stroke rates 30+.
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@dermotbalaam5358
@dermotbalaam5358 Жыл бұрын
Two things it helps. First, there is one point that it’s guaranteed that everyone is at the same point in the cycle. Second, it encourages a relaxed recovery, which in turn assists catch fluency.
@theskullsculler7991
@theskullsculler7991 Жыл бұрын
It amazes me how you can tell us something in so many different ways, and suddenly the way you explain it this one time is what clicks. Just started sculling this year, after years in sail boat that "rows". I have self taught myself after watching so many of your videos. After 1,000 miles sculling since Spring, I feel amazing. I'm obsessed. Fortunately I live on a lake, and I can jump in the water whenever I get the itch. Thank you for all of your time and education.
@mxm5783
@mxm5783 Жыл бұрын
I was very involved with rowing in the 90s and 2000s and got out of the scene right around the time Drew Ginn's video "Will it make the boar go faster? came out. Having returned to rowing a couple of years ago, it was immediately clear to me just how influential that video was. Prior to this video, at least in the US, pausing at the finish was just a drill. After the video is clearly became part of how crews row, at least at lower rates.
@jamestew5075
@jamestew5075 Жыл бұрын
Actually, I rowed at Harvard in 63-66, when we followed Ratseburg with the pause at the finish. Quite different from the common practice at the time.it was a nice little ‘rest’ at the end of the stroke.
Жыл бұрын
@@jamestew5075 The Carl Adam crews
@bonyserg2003
@bonyserg2003 Жыл бұрын
In this video Aram tackles with great logic the opposite of what unfortunately many coaches have been saying for years; throws hands in front after clearing him. which considerably reduces the stability of the boat. Congratulations to Aram who dares to say things clearly without dogmatism. In this video Aram gives free tips that require a great deal of experience to discover them. It was by using the biorower that I personally discovered what is said here.
@AramTraining
@AramTraining Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your great feedback!
@LuKingIII
@LuKingIII Жыл бұрын
One aspect not mentioned in the video is the benefit to synchronize a crew. You get a much better feeling about finishing a stroke at the same time together and starting a new one. In higher rates the pause becomes just a fixed timing point where the whole crew finishes the stroke. I personally always rowed like this, ever since we saw the Ginn video.
@AramTraining
@AramTraining Жыл бұрын
Forogt to mention that. You are absolutely right!
@LuKingIII
@LuKingIII Жыл бұрын
By the way, love your content ;)
@turboseize
@turboseize Жыл бұрын
10 days ago, I was in a boat for the first time since Corona started (switched jobs and moved between towns in the meantime, and then got totally buried working overtime until recently, so I never bothered to find a new club). First time in a racing shell in about 10 years (had only been sitting in a gig a couple of times per year in the meantime due to busy schedule). We had severe trouble getting the 8 to "stand". Might have been me, might have been that the crew had never rowed in this composition before, might have been bad luck. Who knows. Last saturday, one week later, the guy running the master's group at my new club put me in a pair. Ok, second row after a >2 year break, 2nd time in a racing shell after 10+ years of only gigs, and 1st time in a small boat since over ten years. Nearly 12 years since I rowed a pair the last time. What could possibly go wrong? My partner had learned to row during his studies in London, so the anglo-saxon pause at the finish was well known to him, and we both agreed we would try that style. To our great surprise, we manged to somewhat balance the boat, we did not fall in, and travelled in a surprisingly straight line. While we were out on the lake, the wind picked up, and the water became rather rough. We made it back to boathouse in one piece, and to our great surprise, kept the boat balanced even with a tailwind and accompanying waves. We even found a rythm and felt the boat "sing..." Granted, there is still lots of work to do. I am still not totally comfortable at the catch, both in regards to balance/confidence and mobility/stabilitywhich means we were short-stroking, leaving some length at the catch, and I needed frequent breaks as not to loose concentration. But all in all, this outing went far better than anyone could have hoped for. That we, who had never rowed together before, were able to successfully balance a pair and find a rythm even in bad weather, even with me not having been in a racing shell and a small boat for over a decade, is foremost testament to my partner's skill and adaptability. But I also feel that the pause-finish helped us a lot here. I learned to row in the early 1990s, when quick hands-away was drilled into us. The idea of setting up the boat at the finish, as well as the use of upper body mass and pivot at the hip were not really a thing back then. I am not exaggerating when I say that last saturdays's row was a revelation. This is so much easier than the rowing that I remember from my teenage days.
@michelfries8307
@michelfries8307 Жыл бұрын
Hi! This makes sense to me as well. I have been told to pull out the arms as quickly as they came to the body, but at lower rates, I like to feel the boat singing by just pausing after the finnish. It's a kind of reward to me and I like it! Fullstop!
@user-mk8ds7gb5s
@user-mk8ds7gb5s 2 ай бұрын
Usefull as uzual . Thank you Araam.
@db5837
@db5837 Жыл бұрын
You might also consider drag. The friction between water and hull increases exponentially with speed. At the finish it is more drag efficient to pause at maximum speed which delays that further acceleration from pulling the boat under you (the mass of you or a crew is far greater than that of the boat). Theoretically you should accelerate down the the slide (that is accelerate the pull of the boat forward) in order to maintain constant speed of the boat through the water. This works well at low rate but at 40, other aspects of technique may be more important. Pausing at the finish gives a sense of completion of the stroke, assists timing with crews and acceleration to the catch gives a sense of springing ( when you attempt a stationary jump you naturally move downward first). I knew a coach back in the sixties who would call "slow, fast" (meaning slow at the finish, fast to the catch).
@AramTraining
@AramTraining Жыл бұрын
Excellent remark. Thank you for your input. Slow fast is awesome
@axellemikaeloff7357
@axellemikaeloff7357 Жыл бұрын
Génial Aram ! As usual and si concret, Thanks a lot ❤
@paulaspanish7500
@paulaspanish7500 Жыл бұрын
It makes so much sense Aram ! It’s crystal clear to me 😅 Thank you so much for explaining it like that !
@florevillaret4639
@florevillaret4639 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video it's very interesting. When I was a young rower 15 years ago I was told to move the arms as fast as possible on the back so that you "clear" the boat from the weight at the front. Now I think it was exaggerated. The argument was that your boat is also moving up and down when you are rowing and the quick arms at the back allows to move the front of the boat up so that the immersed volume gets lower (so more speed). After many years of practicing and visiting different clubs which all have there how philosophy about that, I came to a quite different mouvement and conclude as you did. Once I had a coach who told me "the arms and then your body should go back at the speed of the boat, not faster, not slower". So if you are rowing at 18 it should be slow and at 30 faster. I also realise that when you row the boat should move up and down the less a possible, so the fast arms back became useless. I am not really a fan of a real pause at the back, I prefer to have a controlled arms back as another viewer said, but I really believe that we should make something like "taking our time to clear the blade out of the water before sending the arms back", because many rowers try to do the two things together as they want to send the arms fast and this result in unfinished strokes (so less speed).
@deminguyen2892
@deminguyen2892 Жыл бұрын
I am absolutely in love with biorower! Congratulations on creating exactly what I want in a rower.
@amystamey4001
@amystamey4001 Жыл бұрын
Where are you? I'd love to try one. I'm in Central Florida.
@CarolDailey
@CarolDailey Жыл бұрын
Great video. Can't wait to work on it in my 1x! Thank you :>
@rowyeah456
@rowyeah456 Жыл бұрын
One of the best coaching videos I've ever seen, going to implement this myself thank you Aram
@rowyeah456
@rowyeah456 Жыл бұрын
Wow, 11 months after the video went up I am amazed, thank you, I coach masters rowing in Seattle your coaching will go to good use
@Simon-xi8tb
@Simon-xi8tb Жыл бұрын
dude, i love your blade work :P
@jeremymartin1610
@jeremymartin1610 Жыл бұрын
I like this and will give it a try. What you said about reducing the pause to put the rating up ties in with your analysis of the Oxford Brookes style.
@jeremymartin1610
@jeremymartin1610 Жыл бұрын
Tried this today in my double scull. We agreed on the pause position to be abour six inches away from the body with hands level and knitted together. Then progressing swiftly and smoothly to the catch after the pause. Did a lot of steady state and also short sprints. Can't wait to try it in a single.
@philippesudry831
@philippesudry831 Жыл бұрын
Hello Aram. Great vid as usual. Some time ago I changed my mind exactly in the same way. For the same reasons you or Dermot Balaam talk about and, imho and at least for training rates, for this one as well : to get a clear and efficient finish - square blades with a correct (flat) wrist position - the hands have anyhow to go down at first, and not forward ; Which, added to the feathering, requires a short pause at the rear part of the stroke.
@nicogaleano-monsalve6217
@nicogaleano-monsalve6217 Жыл бұрын
thank you! agreed 100%
@jeremymartin1610
@jeremymartin1610 Жыл бұрын
I have found this works well for racing starts as well. Great to have a slight pause after first stroke!
@nathanscottshoemaker2554
@nathanscottshoemaker2554 Жыл бұрын
The concept of “glide” is the single most irritating dogma oft repeated with out substantiation. I agree with your reasoning of torso stability and return matching boat speed. To me the first justification for pause is for flex tension to relieve out of the length of the oar that allows the blade to let go of the water to lift out and feather. I’m totally into your analytics, as I’m a student of many sports and think that the nuances of examination have cross application to the finite aspects of technique, body position mechanics its efficiency’s and effects on final performance. Keep up the good work.
@isaacmcginn7923
@isaacmcginn7923 Жыл бұрын
Interesting video all around
@rfboutote
@rfboutote Жыл бұрын
I agree with a lot of your assertions. Personally I like to not pause but slow the hands after the release and allow the shell to run out at long low steady state and especially in a tail wind. I also like to have a slight bend in the elbows after the release, it helps relax the recovery.
@ehjones
@ehjones 2 ай бұрын
The body weight moving towards the back of the boat increases the shell speed, whilst momentum of the boat and body mass system as a whole remains the same. Obviously the body weight has to get from the finish to the catch somehow during the recovery. But, water resistance increases markedly with increased boat speed, so average speed can be increased if the surge of boat speed that happens when the body weight moves backwards can be lessened. The highest possible boat speed (and therefore highest water resistance) will occur if more body mass moves towards the stern right at the beginning of the recovery. The surge in boat speed (and associated extra water resistance) can be lessened if the boat is allowed to run before a substantial amount of body weight moves sternwards. So, ignoring all other factors (which realistically can not actually be ignored), momentum of the boat can will most conserved, and excess water resistance due to a surge in boat shell speed through the water reduced, if the body weight is moved sternwards towards the catch as late as possible during the recovery. A pause at the finish is potentially a component of this.
@Less1leg2
@Less1leg2 Жыл бұрын
totally agree with what you are saying.
@dalecasale3228
@dalecasale3228 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@AramTraining
@AramTraining 2 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@aaronimaroni2050
@aaronimaroni2050 Жыл бұрын
Can you make a Video about the U19 Mens 8+ who won Gold this year in Varese. And what they could have done better to go even faster?
@Luke-L
@Luke-L Жыл бұрын
Drew Ginn- Will it make the boat go faster is an interesting video
@nathanscottshoemaker2554
@nathanscottshoemaker2554 Жыл бұрын
To draw the boat through past your body the center and greater portion of inertia eg stable body/core.the weight of the boat/machine is a lesser constant but windage and surface wave resistance is a variable additive, you should have a one or two pound resistant from/to your friction fan that hands away and leg draw resistance +- additive forward inertia into the boat/machine I don’t believe is being measured in your force curve(s).or being added and measured to fan speed sustain
@alekseyivanov5768
@alekseyivanov5768 Жыл бұрын
this is such a funny comparison! lol but i love this style definitely
@AramTraining
@AramTraining Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!!
@georgegreene212
@georgegreene212 Жыл бұрын
Hey Aram, at about 10 minutes, you talk about the disadvantages of a fast hands away, which I agree with, but it made me think of the Sinkovic brothers, and the way they row, as they seem to have a faster hands away followed by a slow slide up to the catch. What do you think of this, as they have obviously made the style work throughout their career.
@AramTraining
@AramTraining Жыл бұрын
Their main plus seems to be their joint drive and joint pivot. They do this bettet than anybody else. Their handsaway could be optimized, it may reduce back issues, however, overall this appears to be minor compared to their pluses
@paulaspanish7500
@paulaspanish7500 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Aran! The pause at finish makes a lot of sense and will try to be more focus on when skulking. One question : will this be the same when sweep rowing ?
@AramTraining
@AramTraining Жыл бұрын
Yes. Absolutely
@paulaspanish7500
@paulaspanish7500 Жыл бұрын
@@AramTraining thank you so much for taking the time to reply ! 😃
@apaper3978
@apaper3978 Жыл бұрын
Hey Aram how did you find the full replays of the Tokyo 2021 rowing races?
@AramTraining
@AramTraining Жыл бұрын
KZfaq Eurosport
@daniellyne9420
@daniellyne9420 Жыл бұрын
I like the idea of this,but if I take too much time at the finish I find it difficult to get the rate up to race speed!
@AramTraining
@AramTraining Жыл бұрын
as the rate goes up, the pause diminishes to almost zero. What is kept, is the stability and reset point. imho
@rowalong
@rowalong Жыл бұрын
Absolutely fascinating. Although your hands away are faster than I would teach anyone to do - your argument is very strong. I wonder though. As an ergo-warrior who goes nowhere near the water, how much of an impact does this change make. I can see the tension still being in place, but there is no boat to slow down, so that part isn’t part of it. I’m going to post this on my RowAlong page for folks to see. This may turn my entire style on its head!
@AramTraining
@AramTraining Жыл бұрын
Hi, thank you for your comment. On the erg, the greatest effect of "quick hands away" is the stiffening up of the shoulders, which then leads to a weaker back position during the recovery and later at the catch, and consequently to an inefficient force transfer over the top of the shoulders rather than arms --> lats --> trunk...imho
@coxlesspair9920
@coxlesspair9920 Жыл бұрын
For years I am looking for an Aussi style explanation. Watching the first part of kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eK6ElZigrN66hp8.html you see a lot of strokes where the boat looks unstable after release. Blade sync seems to be not optimal at that point, so many of you - me included - see the Aussi break as an excellent method to sync on a fixed point. One comment above is the first one to look versus fluid mechanics. I’d like to take that point. There is a squared relation between boat speed and water resistance. Double speed requires four times energy. Other way round, the higher the speed, the even higher the break resistance is during recovery. Aussi style takes the boat speed (not the complete system boat/crew) at the moment of release and pause. Hands away style comprises the usage of the upper body swinging to the stern. The same time the boat is driven into bow direction, creating a higher relative acceleration to Aussi situation, causing more resistance resulting in less relative acceleration. During Aussi break the system does loose not as much speed as in hands-away, the time before catch it is the other way round, but under lower system speed conditions resulting in lower resistance. In summum with Aussi style speed is anyhow - saved. The more speed plateau is generated during recovery, the higher is the achieved medium speed. That counts. Compare it to a cycle ride. Image two virtual trips e.g. 50km. Both straight, one with a steepness of e.g. 3% one half the way up, the other half the same way down. You always get a better time the flat way. Does my explanation accounts for an effect during race pace? I got a lot of doubts. Mir wäre so eine komplexe Diskussion auf Deutsch fast lieber, Grüße
@AramTraining
@AramTraining Жыл бұрын
Precisely the higher average recovery boat speed is one of the great benefits of the holding pattern at the finish. It is probably not so much the handle hold but the body mass hold / control. Very good comment!
@coxlesspair9920
@coxlesspair9920 Жыл бұрын
@@AramTraining Habs dreimal lesen müssen, damit ich es versteh. Genau "Oberkörpereinfrieren"/-kontrolle inklusive Rolle.
@juansirrah6510
@juansirrah6510 Жыл бұрын
What happens in your head is everything. So the pause is actually the beginning of the catch. Imagine, imagine the catch - the catch actuall starts at the pause - that’s where the thinking happens.
@Thomas-ei8mc
@Thomas-ei8mc Жыл бұрын
I'm French, I didn't really understand, so you have to make a little stop on the back and be very linear on the whole?
@kylec6622
@kylec6622 Жыл бұрын
Instead of a pause, wouldn’t it be better to have a slow and controlled hands away out of the finish? The hands will move the same length with more time(as there’s no pause) therefore allowing a more gentle acceleration(in this case away from where you want to go) and thus slowing the boat down less? Thanks for the great video, very informative as usual.
@AramTraining
@AramTraining Жыл бұрын
Yes. This will work as well. Many crews do it.
@kylec6622
@kylec6622 Жыл бұрын
@@AramTraining I see, do you think the speed of the crew matters or would a slower more novice crew also benefit from this style of rowing?
@TrkJustin
@TrkJustin Жыл бұрын
@@kylec6622 It depends on the boat speed, a faster moving boat has more time for a pause at the finish and also has to speed up the hands away at a higher rate then the slower moving boat.
@kylec6622
@kylec6622 Жыл бұрын
@@TrkJustin yeah that’s what I figured, thanks for replying!
@AramTraining
@AramTraining Жыл бұрын
The pause at the finish also functions as a reset / restart point. No matter how bad a stroke cycle went, there is alsways the chance to reset.
@johnninham2971
@johnninham2971 Жыл бұрын
'just flow off the back there mate!'
@EA-zn4up
@EA-zn4up Жыл бұрын
Personally, especially when stroking a quad I do not pause at the finish, instead I simply keep everything still at the finish apart from pushing hands down through lose elbows, to let the boat run but still going through the stroke. Although in high rate spin the hands but not too quick so that the finish can stay strong but also relaxed
@AramTraining
@AramTraining Жыл бұрын
There is no pause left at higher SRs, what should be left is precision
@dermotbalaam5358
@dermotbalaam5358 Жыл бұрын
Think of this. Pause for 1 second at the finish at rate 20. What rate do you achieve if you then remove the pause and change nothing else?
@richardmoolenschot7820
@richardmoolenschot7820 Жыл бұрын
You would rate 30 spm.
@AramTraining
@AramTraining Жыл бұрын
Stroke rate is not a self serving purpose. It is boat speed we want
@kaktusov
@kaktusov Жыл бұрын
Aram, you said that the fastest point of stroke - is after finish, don't you? Because my coach always said that the fastest point - right before the catch. So he argued that you should let your boat drive under you after finish of the stroke, so that's why you have to move hands out of you and start the slide (staying relaxed) as fast as you can. He wasn't right?
@AramTraining
@AramTraining Жыл бұрын
This is a point of debate where the fastest boat speed is. Nevertheless, a fast hands away (imho) will still corrupt your shoulder and trunk position and therefore slow down the catch.
@johnboyt2778
@johnboyt2778 Жыл бұрын
I would also consider the fastest point to be after the finish, so it seems logical to me that letting the boat run at this speed with a pause makes a lot of sense. As soon as you or the whole team move the hands away too quickly, against the direction the boat is travelling, your gonna slow the boat down. I was always reprimanded by my coach for making a short pause. Many older club coaches learnt to row in the last century (literally !) It seems difficult sometimes for them to adopt new ideas about the rowing stroke.
@richardkendall6746
@richardkendall6746 6 ай бұрын
Not helpful in a single. A sculler levers more blade area than other rowers and keeping that body mass in the bow will drop it at the release. There is also no time to fiddle and fiddle the release at race pace. The release should be a flow and not rushed.
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