A ex-priest?? damn

It must have been terrifying to discover your faith was gone! De-conversion with your job & shelter literally hanging in the balance. I hope you have found find a peaceful life.

@@LOwens-xf8yo Shawshank Redemption’s old inmate character “Brooks” and his difficulties after his turn-out hits hard.

In any other instance it would be plagiarism

Wonder where Noah found all the trees to build that ark…. In the desert. Wonder how he got those salt water crocs and black mamba snakes from down under….like way down under to scale across over to come a board the ole boat. Wow just think of all the birds from the rain forest….

@@gowdsake7103 I think of it more like a reboot.

@@kodahodges4166 Have you heard of the volcano theory? I’m probably getting the details wrong but it was something like huge volcanic eruptions that blasted animals thousands of miles in sun orbital trajectories and somehow landed in the right place. Without the usual radiation, heat, cold, etc.,, damage that would normally cause. Then there’s the Pangea theory where prior to the flood the continents were in a single massive continent. So all land animals could walk all the way to Noah. Then 200 million years of plate tectonics took place in a year without liquifying or vaporizing the entire Earth’s surface as one might expect. Sometimes YEC is indistinguishable from Flat Earth in the extremely bizarre explanations they come up with.

​@@kodahodges4166 I mean you can talk about snakes and crocs from australia and sure that is a problem, but like the boat isn't even that much larger than the biggest dinosaurs. You get in a few of the big 4 leggers and they'll just fall through the floor.

Unless they can feed persecuted..

Inconsiderate f's

Enlil But thanks to Enki we were saved. Enki also convinced Namma to create humans. Which she did out of mud. Enki is my fav, next to Inanna she was hot.

Almost as bad as all of us who forgot we're in hell & the rapture happened already like several times. I don't know how we forget things when we were never born but that's just life, I guess

A recent study by Cambridge University tracked the genetics of aboriginal Australians with continuous lineage back 60000 years. The unique markers of these people would have been erased in a world wide flood and certainly would not have been passed on by Noah and his incestuous passengers.

Yahweh put the wrong cover sheet on the TPS report.

@@benkrapf Good one

Come on! You know very well that God operates in mysterious ways. 🙂

So... not at all? Wouldn't it be the other way around? Spider-Man comics support the existence of New York by taking place in that city?

Not really. Batman takes place in Gotham City. I'm fairly sure that's notba real place.

@@fmtpulmanns7593 Who said anything about Batman?

​@@fmtpulmanns7593 That's not how evidence works. Batman comics actually are evidence for the existence of Gotham, the problem is that Gotham ONLY exists in comic books and it's existence can't be corroborated outside the literature, which amounts to hearsay. Hearsay IS evidence, it's just really bad evidence that shouldn't be accepted at face value.

@@fmtpulmanns7593 Good point. Afaik a lot of those cities discussed in this video were named that way because christians/jew insisted those were the places these cities would have been. So in a couple hundred years someone may find Washington and name it Gotham because that was were Batman lived.

@LuthAMF How so?

@LuthAMF I would love to. Provide a list of Ph.D's on this subject. We gotta learn as much as we can. Have you also researched non-religious scholars who hold the same consensus as Dr. Bowen? The majority consensus.

@LuthAMF Of course there is always people who contradict the general consensus. That is the case within all fields of knowledge and research.

New atheists don't know a damn thing about OT scholarship lmao. Hell even Muslims know more about the Bible than the average new atheist.

@@LuthAMF You cite a guy who died in 1787? I take it, then, that you have nobody more recent, who may be aware of any archaeological discoveries of the past two and a half centuries.

I would amend your statement thus: A classic case of fitting [some of] the evidence to the conclusions [while ignoring evidence that does not support those conclusions].

@@roblovestar9159 yes, well said. I wrote it in a hurry and didn't take any time to think about the vagueness of my statement. Cheers!

And the shovel often stays pretty clean.

One of those gold ones, that they use for only photo ops-just one scoop😂

That the shovel stays clean while in the field is demonstrably true, what is even truer is that the shovel and then the pen are covered in bullshit when they come back to the lab.

@@avi8r66 c'mon man, it's hard to dig with only one hand

@@soonerarrow I can see them now, out in the desert... Ok, Bible says they wandered 'the desert' for 40 years. Let's see, did we find a desert? Yes, cool, ok, story verified. And that's lunch!

It's always great when you class up the place with your charm and knowledge.

@@Paulogia Thank you both for the good work you do. Cheers to you guys and cheers to the great work your partners do as well. The products truly are greater than the sum of their parts! 🍻

I literally this week realized the same thing!

you'd think that Christians would be leading the charge on disproving these things but no, they're the ones insisting their god murdered everyone several times and saying "no no no it's not *actually* murder"

Since when is a professional apologist interested in unbiased truth? Their job description is to find ways to justify the religious beliefs.

To me ,Sean seemed the most "responsible " amongst apologists.

@@tfive24 He had that reputation for a while but he got tired of swimming upstream with his (limited) open mindedness on the collaboration calls with his peers so he fell into step with them.

Authors sell books to patrons. An audience of Christians need Their Faith to be Right. They purchase books from authors to confirm their Christian biases. A Christian’s Faith must withstand the attacks and persecution …of fact based discoveries and reasonable arguments. Thanks to Apologetics, Christians can rest assured that the jealous, wrathful, mass murdering, sexist God that finds building towers to heaven threatening and requires BBQ lamb but never Pork…THAT GOD ….IS TRUE!!! Only Christians can explain how THAT GOD can now be called upon to bless Pepperoni Pizza Poppers on a Super Bowl Sunday.

I wonder if his reaching out to KZfaqrs like Paulogia and Genetically Modified Skeptic is ultimately part of some plan to bring people to the Lord.

Oh no! This is a sign of the end of times!!! See how all those false apologists are failing and join my version of chirstianity!!! Which is the one totally right, trust me bro!!

It could be a sign that their most vocal supporters wanted something closer to extremism.

⁠@@Julian0101 sounds like they’re “doubling down” , not unlike the numerous failed end times cults that proved themselves to be false but were nevertheless sustained by those who couldn’t accept they’d been duped. True of not just religious groups either: ideologies, philosophies, political beliefs, culturally accepted paradigms…just to name a few broad categories. I remember trying to convince myself as a child that Santa could really visit “everyone’s” house in a night, and fit all the tiny chimneys. Of course the larger chimneys wouldn’t be a problem. I simply blocked out my logical reasoning with hopes of the gifts that Christmas morning always brought. How could I have EVER doubted Santa? 😢 (Admittedly I left all of the elves out of the picture, my bad)

If you ever chance to meet Irving Finkel at the museum, say hello from me.

It Doesn’t include mudfossils though because that’s proof for the flood.

@@randomguyodst46 No. *The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.*** *Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.*** ***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service. Google *"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"* Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:50 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes. From a Biblical scholar: "Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."* *"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"* ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Debunking the Devil - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"* *"The Greatest Trick Religion Ever Pulled: Convincing Us That Satan Exists | Atheomedy"* *"Zoroastrianism And Persian Mythology: The Foundation Of Belief"* (Scroll to the last section: Zoroastrianism is the Foundation of Western Belief) *"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"* *"January | 2014 | Atheomedy"* - Where the Hell Did the Idea of Hell Come From? Watch *"The Origins of Salvation, Judgement and Hell"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica (Sensitive theists should only watch from 7:00 to 17:30 minutes as evangelical Christians are lambasted. He's a former theist and has been studying the scholarship and comparative religions for over 15 years) *"Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology - The Sensuous Curmudgeon"* *"The Adam and Eve myth - News24"* *"Are The Ten Commandments Based On The Forty-Two Principles Of Maat That Appeared 2,000 Years Earlier? - Ancient Pages"* *"Before Adam and Eve - Psychology Today"* *"Gilgamesh vs. Noah - Wordpress"* *"No, Humans Are Probably Not All Descended From A Single Couple Who Lived 200,000 Years Ago"* *"Adam & Eve: Theologians Try to Reconcile Science and Fail - The New Republic"* *"Adam and Eve: the ultimate standoff between science and faith (and a contest!) - Why Evolution Is True"* *"Bogus accommodationism: The return of Adam and Eve as real people, as proposed by a wonky quasi-scientific theory - Why Evolution Is True"* *"How many scientists question evolution? - **sciencemeetsreligion.org**"* *"What is the evidence for evolution? - Common-questions - BioLogos"* (A Christian organisation) *"Why scientists dismiss 'intelligent design' - Science"* *"Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures - Griffin"* *"Parallelism between “The Hymn to Aten” and Psalm 104 - Project Augustine"* *"Studying the Bible"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei (This particular article from a critical Biblical scholar highlights how the authors of the Hebrew Bible used their *fictional* god as a mouthpiece for their own views and ideologies) *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history?"* -- by Dr Steven DiMattei *"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei

Theres a lovely youtube of Irving giving that story to an audience of museum curators, worth a watch for both the scholarly and for the lols.

Irving's tablet also had the instructions for building the "ark". It wasn't mentioned by Titus Kennedy because it wouldn't fit in with the Biblical account :P

I’m pretty sure that Finkel didn’t find the story on the tablet interesting from a religious perspective, because I don’t think he’s religious at all.

@@kellydalstok8900 During his recorded talk on the subject he was quite derisive of the religious implications.

The owner of the private collection was none other than the late and legendary Douglas "Doughnut" Simmonds who'd inherited the collection from his father, Leonard. Finkel had to wait 20 years from the time he first saw the tablet, until Simmonds' death, before he could properly get his hands on it to translate!

I resent this attack on 1996. Lots of people were alive then who are not Sean McDowell. Also, that upsweep was already out of date even then.

He's always wanted to like Tom Petty, but all that Mary Jane stuff...

Ron Wyatt was a genius, he must have been guided by god, as how else could he have had such amazing success in "finding" so many things? Either that or he was just an incredibly brazen liar, but it often amuses me when religious people point to him as an example of Archaeology "proving" the bible. They don't seem to realise how much of an own goal citing him actually is.

What do you mean, it wasn't properly validated? I'm sure magic seeing-stones were put into a hat at _some_ point?!?

But Wyatt found the Ark 5 times I am aware of and even the real dried up blood of Jesus but could not find the report or remember the Lab it was tested at, now we will never know 😥

@@stultusvenator3233 "now we will never know" But as Ron Wyatt was clearly guided by god, we can just take his word for it, so no worries.

@@pineapplepenumbra Absolutely, how we we have every known that Trees did not have Rings before the Flood. (apparently said with a strait face).

Well the great Ron Wyatt did find Mary's cherry

@@fordprefect5304 Excellent.

There are around 20 to 40 holy foreskins floating around in European churches. I gather that Jesus just couldn't stop touching himself.

@Gary Allen True. They say a Condom fit him like a glove.

@garyallen8824 Yep. I've been to several of the repositories of Jesus' foreskin. I can just in my mind's eye see the huckster at the corner of two camel paths telling the story to the crusader of the foreskin he has and will only begrudgingly part with for a few shekels. As with all the pieces of the 'true cross'. Saw a few of those on my travels through Europe.

"Holy Koolaid" did an entire video on his YT channel focusing specifically on that 1 issue w/ Christian (& by logical extension theistic) dogma -- the title of the video was more or less "The Problem with Instruction" ...as in, the problem of reconciling the belief in a perfect, all-knowing & all-powerful Supreme Being w/ the evidence of insufficient, inconsistent & downright incompetent divine efforts to properly instruct His / Her creation as to what was expected of them. To paraphrase the words of Carl Sagan ... if God were real, He'd be the worst schoolteacher that ever existed. If He had any competition, He'd be out of a job.

Even God did would the people actually listen or try to refute the truth 🤔

@@natsusatsujinki8342 ... well, for starters, *which* God are we referring to? - Ahura Mazda (the "Wise Lord" of Zoroastrianism)? - Ra (the "Sun God" of ancient Egyptian religion)? - Shiva (the "Goddess of Destruction" from Hinduism)? - Zeus (the "King of The Olympians" from ancient Greece)? - Allah (the "True God of Abraham" according to Islam)? - Yaweh (the Jealous God of Judaism)? (We won't go into Christianity here, since that involves a nasty fork bomb.) All of the above versions of God are mutually exclusive -- none of them agree w/ each other & each claims that the others are false Gods, plus their associated belief systems & teachings clash wildly w/ each other. If only 1 God has the legitimate claim to divine truth & no other ... then *which God is it*? To paraphrase the words of Sean Carroll: If there really *was* an all-powerful, all-knowing & all-loving God, & if that God truly had a message of eternal truth & wisdom for us all, then I would expect that message to be embodied in a single, clearly intelligible text, that it would be self-consistent & logically compatible w/ observable reality, & that it wouldn't contain any laws or stories that would prove reprehensible or otherwise morally problematic over time as human culture progressed. On the other hand, if there simply *isn't* any God, then I would expect a multitude of different texts, each portraying a unique image of the One True God / Goddess. Each text would contain various & incomprehensible language terms, idioms & other expressions made obscure due to translations, linguistic drift & clerical errors, the texts would harbor contradictions within themselves & exhibit logical inconsistencies w/ what we now know thanks to modern science, & they would endorse laws such as the 1 that commands slaves to always be loyal to their owners & stories such as the entire Book of Job which are absolutely abhorrent when examined under the clear light of modern social progress. Now ... which of these theories best fits the data?

@@zenkim6709 Philosophically this argument is weak because the lack of supernatural proof in the history of mankind would eventually if given and demanded by creation, would overwhelm the ''free will and choice of the human condition'' . Mankind would be forced into believing, not choosing to believe, and without choice, there is no true sense of desire or the true nature of love.

Good point! For that matter, why does God need a flood? If the trouble was sexual sins …why not fire up a sexually transmitted disease to only target the guilty and not the victims?

And no TV!

Exactly haha and two of the best by the way

So called Christians.

@@randomguyodst46 lol. Seriously gonna try and play the no true scotsman this early? They both have all the credibility here. They say they were. There is no reason not to believe them.

@@aerr9582 lol you think they were? Paul never been a Christian, I never once heard that he believes Jesus Christ is the son of God and believe he died with his blood shed on the cross for his sins and buried and resurrection on the third day, can’t call him a Christian if he doesn’t believe in that.

@@aerr9582 and im sure you were told to believe nonsense at school lol

Yeah, it's just like that passage from Robert Pirsig's book "Zen And The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" [paraphrasing] -- We all say that we're looking for the truth. Then one day, the truth comes knocking on our door -- & we yell, "Go away! I'm looking for the truth!" And so the truth walks away, puzzled. Tho he didn't use the term (because he started writing "Zen" back in the 1970s) in the book, Pirsig was probably hinting @ the issue of "confirmation bias" -- the human tendency to place greater value on information that reinforces prior conclusions vs evidence & signs that our prior conclusions may be unreliable or otherwise inaccurate. This, of course, is the essence of self-correction in the scientific method & self-policing within the scientific community: anything & anyone is subject to review & reevaluation, no matter how much inconvenience or personal dismay it involves. Contrast this critical-thinking approach to the "faith-based thinking" worldview of the "Intelligent Design" / "Christian Science" camp, in which *everything* must either outright confirm or be spun / contorted mightily to not (@ least on the surface) undermine Christian dogma ...leading to such preposterous claims as The Volcano Solution to explain how Australian marsupials somehow made it all the way from the Middle East to Australia after the "Great Flood" receded w/o leaving behind a breadcrumb trail of fossilized remains along the way -- by being catapulted en masse by volcanic eruption (no, I'm not kidding). That is a position which not merely encourages Christian apologists to propose the absurd, it is a mindset that forces them to promote the outright assinine -- all in defense of their precious Bible & their religious dogma, which may as well be cordoned off w/ a huge sign reading, "HOLY -- DO NOT QUESTION". The tragically ridiculous thing is that so many Christian apologists use the False Equivalency fallacy to try & cast the scientific community in an unfavorable light -- as tho scientists were nothing more than a priesthood blindly following the tenets of a godless faith-based dogma, never mind the crucial difference that scientific proposals *must* B falsifiable & should B put to the test whenever the means is available -- i.e.: does this proposal hold up against reality?

@@zenkim6709 I guess they never watched Mythbusters. If they did, then they would realize just how little overpressure from a blast is needed to turn internal human organs into mush, which I would extend to most the rest of the animal kingdom. And what would keep them from breaking every bone in their bodies when they land?

They just make it up as they go along

Short answer: cherrypicking.

I find it fascinating that a "convinced Christian" (Megan) and an "avowed atheist" (Josh) can reconcile their opposing views & stay married. I'd love to hear that story, as I'm sure there would be lessons of value from both sides.

What you just said is a totally not true.

@@jamiehudson3661 I'm afraid it is. Unless you can provide examples to prove me wrong. One or two Documents and a stone stele have been found that contain reference to a king David and a few later monarchs and villages have been uncovered that are in places where the Old Testament placed them but that is it. There is nothing else significant. Certainly nothing to support any Bible story. On the other hand, we can now show clearly that the Genesis version of creation, Adam & Eve, the flood, the tower of Babel, the exodus, the conquest of the promised land and various other stories did not happen. We also have only the Bible to support claims of Jesus as anything more than a Jewish preacher. If he really was the most important person ever to have lived, this seems a little strange. If you can demonstrate something different, with genuine evidence, I would love to know.

@@Outspoken.Humanist I think you are wrong again. kzfaq.info/sun/PL1mr9ZTZb3TVhsJ06Zb4FRQfEAVajfDg-

@@jamiehudson3661 explain why you disagree with Paul Davis-Cooke?

@@DJ-73 He must have deleted his comments to my comment. He is claiming that archeology doesn't support the reliability of the Bible. I gave him many examples.

And you're willing to dismiss all of the viable evidence along the way...

@@nathanmiller9918 Evidence built from the answer to the question is not evidence. I would be a theist if there were actual evidence.

@@ZenWithKen I agree, coupled with a willingness to dismiss viable evidence and one could believe anything.

He was also evil because he was descended from Cain. That just makes you automatically evil apparently

There is a mathematically formula you could use to determine if your die are unbalanced.

@@aralornwolf3140 My point is that apologists count the successes and ignore the failures to get to their conclusions. For example, they show how historically valid the crucifixion story is because Pilate is a totally verified historical figure but "forget" that he was also an impressively cruel person who would have never shied away from sending a Jew to the cross, probably without even a hint of evidence.

@@andresvillarreal9271 , I understood your point... but your analogy was flawed and I thought I could help you with your dice... Have a good day/night!

"a research fellow at Discovery Institute" ... they don't hire honest people. That would be problematic for their mission.

Ahh... He's a member of the Professional Liars Society, alongside such other notable, no, notorious members like Casey Luskin and Stephen Meyer. The Discovery Institute is an organization that uses Christian psuedo-science to promote Biblical Creationism, cast false aspersions on the widely tested and vastly scholarly accepted scientific Theory of Evolution and continue their repeated failed attempts to smuggle Biblical Creationism into the public schools under the generic name of Intelligent Design.

@@soonerarrow Yep, same mission as Answers in Genesis, Ken Ham, Institution for Creation Research and many others. They hire dishonest 'experts' willing to place faith over facts and use their phd's, even if unrelated, to pretend to be authoriites on the subject at hand.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, asking a Christian apologist if the Bible is supported by evidence is like asking a 12 year old Justin Bieber groupie for an honest, unbiased critique of the latest Justin Bieber album.

Oh good .... LOLOLOLOL ... :-)

Probably more even, as during Mohammeds time the literacy rate should have been higher, which leads to less word of mouth/chinese telephone problems.

Didn’t the Koran copied the Bible? I remember there’s videos about it too.

@@randomguyodst46 Indeed they did in some parts, some places word for word, some places paraphrased slightly differently, and other things original to the Quran. Much the same way the first Jews who wrote the Torah copied the monotheistic Zoroastrians and their polytheistic neighbors to create a new religion of their own.

Yep, that’s how archeology works. The same techniques can be used to confirm the Harry Potter books, you can even book a tour.

@@angrydoggy9170 go to Kings Cross Station around around 11 on September 1st. When I was there a couple of years ago, it was teeming with young people. It didn’t dawn on me why they were there until I got home. If it had, I would have checked it out, because I had plenty of time before the Eurostar left.

What about the leviathan dragon king from job 41? His dead body located in Asia you can see him on google earth.

not to mention that he is not very interesting or conclusive