Are these cEDH cards outdated?

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@LemorasCards 5 ай бұрын

What cards do you think have aged poorly? Which ones do you expect to become outdated soon? Let me know down below!

@craigrgriffin 5 ай бұрын

RIP Breya

@sylvaintellier4787 5 ай бұрын

I haven't seen Triskelion shenanigans in a while... Same with Bomberman combo

@Logic-cg7qy 5 ай бұрын

Take a drink every time he says bowmasters

@LemorasCards 5 ай бұрын

New cards good 😔

@syndicate5357 5 ай бұрын

*you have died of alcohol poisoning* like its the cEDH trail lol

@zaiser11 5 ай бұрын

For the commanders I'd actually say that for decks like Zur and Gitrog it's more to do with the communities being stuck in the past. The Zur playerbase is really set on how Zur plays and the Gitrog community actually made it's primer impossible to learn from on purpose.

@mzheng2217 5 ай бұрын

Zur I think is playable now due to Borne. However, it doesn’t mean it’s back.

@zaiser11 5 ай бұрын

@@mzheng2217It's not a question of if Zur is back, it's a question of if the deck has had any real attempts at innovation since Kaladesh.

@jhook6865 5 ай бұрын

I still jam Anje and Worldgorger, with PITA off Hoarding Broodlord. Yes I do get blown out sometimes, but it's still one of my favorites to play.

@LemorasCards 5 ай бұрын

You gotta stick with what you love

@METROIDFAN258 5 ай бұрын

Literally laughed out loud at "Bowmaster Victims" 😂

@Voodookick 5 ай бұрын

As someone who started to brew for EDH/cEDH last year, coming from Modern/Legacy/Timeless, I appreciate the fact that I kind of saw the writing on the wall for a lot of the things you discussed in the video and feel pretty vindicated by where I stood lol. I do think the format still has a lot of potential to grow its meta by the way I was ingratiated into the different popular strategies then and now. Solid video

@dave_8600 5 ай бұрын

You offended me like 6x in 3 minutes man. Imma rock my WGD till MTG no longer exists.

@LemorasCards 5 ай бұрын

It's still awesome, just doesn't show up as much nowadays.

@john_wick272 5 ай бұрын

As a TnT pilot for years... Flash ban hurt, dockside put us behind, and bowmasters is killing us lol

@MrSonictheOtter 5 ай бұрын

Bowmasters really put the deck down in the dirt. Both commanders draw and kill all the dorks. Makes me sad.

@TheCodingle 5 ай бұрын

Talion still runs labman

@chainer1918 9 күн бұрын

I was waiting all video for Oloro to be mentioned and finally with exactly 1 minute left in the video my boy was acknowledged. I’m a die hard Oloro cEDH player, Chainer will always hold a special place in my heart, but Oloro will always be my favorite

@kstandish42 5 ай бұрын

I'm still working on Winota, pure damage and extra slots dedicated to protection of Winota including bad cards like Lightning Greaves haha. Never going to let this deck go!

@OneTimeImp902 5 ай бұрын

I run Scepter/Reversal in my Niv-Mizzet Parun cEDH list as a back-up combo, it would probably be the next cut depending on future sets!

@TripsAhoy 5 ай бұрын

Glad my boy Gaddock Teeg didn't make this list! Cause we all know he's the man! T.y. for keeping that secret safe! ❤

@jtyree0226 5 ай бұрын

They don’t know about the Kithkin Advisor yet

@shyuugaheero2614 5 ай бұрын

Zur took 2nd at the SCG 5k in Philly!

@LemorasCards 5 ай бұрын

I saw that! I'm really curious to see how it'll shape up through this year, it's got more people working on it now and definitely showing up more than it was a year or two ago.

@dr.hardballer 5 ай бұрын

@@LemorasCardsAlso comedian took 4th with a sultai hermit druid deck that ran Raza and Life/Death. It was neat to see throwbacks.

@LemorasCards 5 ай бұрын

@mrbagleman I think The Master is in a super unique position to take advantage of a lot of different packages, it's really cool to see. I'd love a sultai list that can consistently show up and do well in big events.

@benjaminpurvis7046 5 ай бұрын

THANK YOU!!! I almost proxied a full Kess turbo deck for cedh today. I love the turbo gameplan and i'm switching to RogSi even though it's tier 2 ish. :)

@psytpd 5 ай бұрын

playing a fringe commander for 3 years now in cedh its fun to see and agree with a lot of cards on this list and the hours of discord discussion as to why i made certain cuts. Teysa scion was a huge razakat reanimator deck. it came to the point with so much new hate for breach lines and other ppl running reanimate and agatha that it was risky to put anything of value for more than a turn in your own graveyard. I have moved off many creatures like blood artist for elas just because 2 toughness means surviving OBM to win the game. Plunge into darkness I still swear by because you dont have to go all in with it. sometimes its good play just to dig 5 cards with it at end of opponents turn before yours. shred memory is also becoming more relevant now with tutor being an ability and having exile grave cards. I agree with a lot mentioned here the decks needed to adapt to new meta threats which make some go to strong lines or themes of the past less relevant now. you rarely see any 3 color commanders now and i think unless partner most 2 color commanders have access to a large enough pool of good stuff now that you can lean heavy enough into a theme and still have answers. Korvold fell off the face of the earth and that was a threat 2 years ago. marneus is an example of the amount of value you need in the command zone now if the commander alone is 3+ color. I think master transcendent may have a chance since its doing its own archetype and very well. and depending on new enchantments i can see zur maybe becoming relevant again.

@SteelDevilReal 5 ай бұрын

Except Rocco, Kenrith and Najeela, I prefer old cEDH commanders

@Forthelulz01 3 ай бұрын

I have been a cedh lurker on and off for years, took a break around 2021, and now I'm floored at the changes. TnT is not dominant? Tymna is mid? Green is beneath white and red? Stax doesn't exist? Wheels died? Wtf happened lol. Coming out of this time capsule is crazy. If you went back to 2017 and said red is a top color you'd be jailed for insanity.

@LemorasCards 3 ай бұрын

Well a few of these are pretty accurate, TnT is basically dead, Tymna is still pretty good as TnK reigns supreme, green is down bad but looks to be getting strong cards in MH3, Wheels are good though not every deck runs them, stax currently is basically replaced as an archetype by ability based commanders that build out combo wins like Sisay or Magda, Red has two of the most busted cards in Underworld Breach and Dockside but doesn't have a ton of bangers.

@Joolenplus 5 ай бұрын

Problem with walkers is the blue farm match up which is everywhere. Kraum just killing most of the good ones in 1 hit. I'm seeing people play minsc and boo and I'm just like idk how you get away with it unless you're literally dodging the most played deck or opening drannith every game. That card has been completely useless when I've tried it in bruse thras

@caelanmasters5998 2 ай бұрын

Small tidbit for dovin's veto at the very beginning, some blue farm pilots like myself do use dovin's veto, either show me swat or your thing gets countered.

@LemorasCards 2 ай бұрын

Yeah it comes up every now and then in a few lists, that's usually the case with the different two mana counters that have various upsides.

@midnalight6419 5 ай бұрын

I still jam Oko because in reasonable creature decks he can elk a couple one rings and do other stuff

@LemorasCards 5 ай бұрын

Being able to elk ring is gross

@Stryxgg 5 ай бұрын

i used to play a tasigur deck that ran all three planeswalkers you showed here

@jaysuede2627 5 ай бұрын

Hmm. Should we just ban: Rhystic Study, Dockside Extortionist, Underworld Breach, and Thassa's Oracle? Starting to feel that way.

@LemorasCards 5 ай бұрын

Underworld Breach is cool though 😎

@jaysuede2627 5 ай бұрын

@@LemorasCards I know. And I love it too. I love all four of them. But the homogenization is real.

@LemorasCards 5 ай бұрын

@@jaysuede2627 yeah hard to argue against that.

@MRAIClassroom Ай бұрын

It may make it more interesting for sure… but I don’t think we should… it’s cedh leave it as is….

@jediabaja6602 28 күн бұрын

or just ban Magic the Gathering from your life and play a different game

@toctheyounger 5 ай бұрын

Oof, I'll take WGD, combo is a glass cannon for sure. Vilis hurts though. I've had crazy runs with that card. Incidentally i feel like the fear of bowmasters is more impactful than the card itself. Card is strong for sure, but youre not getting got by it every game. Like pulling dorks and draw engines entirely seems overly cautious. Edit - I feel like hermit druid isn't entirely gone. Theres a lurrus uensen build out there somewhere. Ive been brewing thrasios tevesh with Tyvar, Jubilant brawler in the 99. Decent card, and it turns your druid or witch into a sorcery, which is workable. It even allows a doomsday pile.

@amazingbro268 5 ай бұрын

People are also allergic to running creature counters in a creature heavy meta as well, stern scolding is a good include to deal with stuff like docksides, bowmasters, ragavan, copy creatures etc and you're right it's not worth cutting all the good draw staples because of bowmasters, if you're running green you also have veil of summer

@diegorezi5760 5 ай бұрын

KZfaqrs and some players foget that exist something called "highpower" There cards like lab. Maniac, defense grid and beast wirhin shines there But I really agree about the cantrips, cantrips outdated Yes, worldgorger dragon today is really bad, razaketh also kind of outdated. I really love to use dark confidant, but makes no sense today...

@kevintiemann6875 5 ай бұрын

You covered Brainstorm followed by lim-duls vault…Yuriko staples FTW

@a9sdg9oajs 5 ай бұрын

i still jam lim duls vault in sisay. It gets around oppo agents

@damo9961 5 ай бұрын

My Cephalid Breakfast Hermit Druid list is barely high power casual these days

@Lefthandedprick 5 ай бұрын

I have high hopes for The Master Transcendent to bring back sultai on the map !

@1996BlueMan 5 ай бұрын

Just won my LGS cEDH event this Monday with him. Breakfast is back on the menu.

@nots0funnyguy 5 ай бұрын

I loved running Kess and Winota, but my pod eventually moved passed them. I still play Gitrog though. It's like a slot machine. I win early or I die.

@Bronkeykong 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for these! Still building my first deck to play and have loved learning with your channel

@LemorasCards 5 ай бұрын

Glad you've enjoyed them!

@brendanmangan6225 2 ай бұрын

Still jamming kess over here funny I find it performs almost better then before since nobody respects her when she is on board...used to be gilded drake target number 1 before 🙄

@GremlinsKilledChristmas 5 ай бұрын

Not me just adding lim duls to my cedh list to try out as a search alternative with so many opp agents in the format. Trying it out over Diabolic intent.

@LemorasCards 5 ай бұрын

I cut a little segment where I said it should probably see more play as a potential payoff.

@joshmc5882 5 ай бұрын

I miss sultai. Ban dockside!

@your_priscylla 5 ай бұрын

Holding back... the urge... to respond about... Razaketh... being on here... (have some interaction from me Magic Man)

@LemorasCards 5 ай бұрын

It's cool and good, but it's gone from "I expect to see it" to "ooooh spicy"

@psytpd 5 ай бұрын

yeah it was a big day when i pulled raza out of my deck. it took looking over excel sheets of date to realize that i wasnt winning enough with that line in my deck and actually loosing to having it in my deck almost 50% of the time with a year of data. it opens up a lot of slots in the deck to put other cards in so keep your deck list saved with and a new one one without and compare. I still side board it in time to time its a really fun line!

@your_priscylla 5 ай бұрын

@@psytpd oh no no I'm sorry, I'm not saying I agree with Razaketh being on here XD I'm currently playing a reanimator deck (often against Matthew) and I'm just jabbing about how it's still good. Def not as common or abuseable in every deck, but still an insanely broken card that's v good atm

@James-rf4mp 5 ай бұрын

Dude, I am loving your videos! Cover SCG Philly!

@LemorasCards 5 ай бұрын

Thank you! I might cover it this week.

@damo9961 5 ай бұрын

If your commander has high toughness and/or ward and you don't run many creatures, then Brainstorm is still ok - feeding the opposing Bowmasters hurts someone else

@LemorasCards 5 ай бұрын

It's mainly that Brainstorm is just a bit low impact in this format to be worth a slot in most decks.

@danielschmidt7143 5 ай бұрын

outside of abrupt decay what would you recommend running instead of assassin's trophy?

@LemorasCards 5 ай бұрын

Depends on your colors and what permanents you're worried about, generally I'd just try to avoid 2 mana removal especially if it's got double pips

@danielschmidt7143 5 ай бұрын

@@LemorasCards problem is nothing really does what trophy does for the cost. I usually play Abzan.

@mattswanson5102 3 ай бұрын

I don't know why but 4+ color piles just seem so uninteresting. Maybe it's the fact that they lose their color identity.

@dougclendening5896 Ай бұрын

Why isn't dark confidant played anymore?

@LemorasCards Ай бұрын

@dougclendening5896 pretty slow, Tymna attacking is less of a main plan now, dies to bowmasters, and there's many creatures at that cost that get much more value.

@inkmoth2470 5 ай бұрын

Usually when I see the word "yet", I'm compelled to say "yait" as well.

@benjaminking3677 5 ай бұрын

Orcish Midmasters

@LemorasCards 5 ай бұрын

😮

@YourLocalSN1P3R 5 ай бұрын

I’m still on Yisan. 14-2-0 in my local meta rn.

@timtauber5557 5 ай бұрын

Or maybe some of these cards are still relevant and can still win games.😅

@dm1004 5 ай бұрын

lim is older than plunge

@LemorasCards 5 ай бұрын

I meant Plunge being popular was longer ago than Lim being popular, Lim is a WAY older card though haha.

@PrinceofPain1776 5 ай бұрын

Zur would like a word…

@LemorasCards 5 ай бұрын

I'll talk to Zur when it's back to being arguably the best deck in the format again like it used to be.

@PrinceofPain1776 5 ай бұрын

@@LemorasCards The deck is A-B tier... I am not really seeing the unplayability factor.

@LemorasCards 5 ай бұрын

@PrinceofPain1776 I never said it was unplayable, I said it used to be the top deck in the format, and right now, it's newsworthy if it gets a top 16.

@PrinceofPain1776 5 ай бұрын

@@LemorasCards ok. Difference of opinion, then. I think the idea that an A tier deck making top 16 is newsworthy is really strange, though.

@inkmoth2470 5 ай бұрын

On a more serious and engaging note, how is Yeva representative of cEDH in the past? Yeva's been the cEDH community's pariah since day one, but has remained ever present. Perhaps you meant Yisan or Selvala, lists that have struggled tremendously in events in the last 5+ years compared to Yeva.

@ultrakombou 5 ай бұрын

This channel is a fringe I'm suspicious of

@LemorasCards 5 ай бұрын

Mfw the sus channel has a fringe take 👺

@nCedric1 5 ай бұрын

Every time I hear Planeswalkers are weak in commander I want to stop watching the video. Let me ask you, in WHICH format are they good????? This is the format they're good in (regarding commander as a whole, not cEDH), because it's not a 1v1 combat focused format like every other AND Wizards only prints planeswalker removal 90% of the time on black cards which are unefficient and won't be played. You're telling me an INCREMENTAL VALUE PIECE THAT'S HARD TO REMOVE is a bad card type in a LONGER GAME FORMAT? WELL SORRY FROM THEM FOR NOT PRINTING A 2 MANA PLANESWALKER THAT WINS YOU THE GAME IN THAT VERY SAME TURN. 90% of all artifacts and enchantments that are printed never see any cEDH play, ARE THOSE BAD CARD TYPES BECAUSE OF ""StAtiStiCs"?? I fucking hate planeswalkers so much, they're bullshit, they're ALWAYS the problem at a casual table, and I wish they never got printed. I feel respite for them not being good enough for cEDH, but as a card type in commander they're incredibly strong and y'all are TRIPPING if you say otherwise.

@jtyree0226 5 ай бұрын

You wrote all to forget the title of this video is cEDH

@LemorasCards 5 ай бұрын

Planeswalkers get the same boost enchantments do in casual commander in that you have a lot of time to sit around and develop to build your engines. But individual planeswalkers are often weak because of how free it is to take them out since every deck is likely to have creatures in play and theres three opponents. There's only a few strong enough in cEDH to be worth getting one activation or to try to protect.

@nCedric1 5 ай бұрын

@@jtyree0226 you wrote a snarky reply to forget that I said I was regarding commander as a whole and not cedh

@nCedric1 5 ай бұрын

@@jtyree0226 miss me with that "Sir this is a Wendy's" bullshit. Everyone says their format isn't good for Planeswalkers. Btw weird that Oko is bad whilst we're currently in midrange hell..

@Joolenplus 5 ай бұрын

Kraum literally swings once and kills most planeswalkers. What are u going on about? The only one that really sees play in cedh is tezz the seeker and that's cuz it's basically copy #2 of the one ring and a win con for certain decks. If you think the take is dumb, no one is stopping you from playing a bunch of walkers and proving them wrong.

@mageguild 5 ай бұрын

Terrible take

@LemorasCards 5 ай бұрын

There's way too many "takes" in this video for this comment to be helpful.

@craigrgriffin 5 ай бұрын

You mean this comment?

@damo9961 5 ай бұрын

I agree with pretty much everything he said in this video, what is the terrible take? He's basically looking at stats from recent tournaments, his points here are largely objective.