Same here

It's only bad when it's in the way of growing.

​@@EgoHackersIt's a bad thing for me. That's why I slowly getting out or trying to expand that comfort zone.

lol

this is me

It’s actually me

i am actually diagnosed with adhd. is there any research about this

@@bl8sk8 No because MBTI is a pseudoscience in psychology

Weird right? I would hate any external push when I was 9-10. But 2 years of suffering has taught me I need it.😅😅

Fake flattery is a useful to everyone involved as faking orgasms. ( I’m a girl)

You took the words out of my mouth . When someone gives you a fake complement and expects you to compliment back just to stroke their ego, even though there is nothing to complement. CANT DO IT

Is this kind of like getting mad at your roommate for cleaning and drying the laundry but they didn't fold any of it and now everything's wrinkled rather than still dirty and unwrinkled?

@@Claego Well, we don't usually worry about wrinkled clothing, have you seen how Intp's dress? lol I would say it's like helping them to clean up at work so they can leave early but not sweeping the floors well enough before mopping and now I have to stay longer to redo it because the boss will be there tomorrow. Something like that

@@tiredironrepair yeah That's kind of the thing I was going for. Basically someone doing a task wrong can get on our nerves. They don't have the systems we have lol

INTP 5w4 548 here

As an INTP I didn't realize cars could talk. Are those labels for you or for your oil type 😂😂😂

Interestingly, 5, 4, and 9 are in the Hornevian group called "the withdrawn" type.

Interesting, I am kinda on the opposite side of INTP, but as an INTP 5w6 581 I too identify strongly with this description. I imagine there is a natural bias to latch on to the parts we identify with and minimize the parts we don't.

I think Stoicism falls short in some of the more intillectual roles of philosophy but I find it to be the most powerful set of tools to function day to day.

Stoicism a good lesson to learn for crusaders

Indeed

Awesome to hear you are making yourself your source of self worth!

@@EgoHackers Thanks! It helped (and helps me) a lot.

Oof, I struggle with this one a lot. I will get super confident and really feel like I have something of value to help with a situation, but both at home (my wife is an ESTP) and at work (I work with a lot os ST types), after I present my ideas the reaction is often crushing. I feel empowered by digging deep, getting to the fundamentals and building up a logical path from there to solutions but it is received as a disruptive burden. While I am excited to hear feedback from other perspectives I am often met with a sense that I am being disloyal to the team and its power structure. What gets me through it is dedication to the truth and the patience to allow the bigger picture to present itself but that can take years. It can be a long uphill path but as issues present themselves I often have solutions on hand. "I told you so" feels gross to me but I will dutifully present my solutions again and a little more of it will click into place. Often members of the group don't even remember the earlier presentations because I believe it felt so abstract from the immediate situation that they drove it from their mind in order to enact a band-aid solution so they could mark it off of the to-do list. I have to remind myself that while I appreciate what others bring to the table I can't expect that in return because NTPs are a tiny minority and groups are reassured by like minded team mates. Well that's enough hijacking and whining. Felt good to express this, maybe others can relate.

No problem, complain can be good sometimes. OK, so you issue is to convince your ESTP wife and ST people. Well, I spoke about C.S. Jospeh, and he said the INTP has the ENTJ shadow. It means you could use Te to convince others.

@@Toimeme612 Thanks for the response and thanks for reaching out to C.S. Joseph. It is helpful to employ Te in these situations. I have learned to include direct data when available and include multiple quotes to appeal to authority. Unfortunately, in my experience, as an N in an S world it takes great patience, determination and a bit of luck to transition from the role of fool to guru. Fortunately, those of us who are successful at earning the faith can offer real progress.

Any specific book?

Intp here. I've learnt to stop doing that, even in relationships. Whats interesting to us isn't to most people. People get easily worn out by the way we process our thoughts

A good practice to get into and stay into

The good news is you're pretty close to an answer according to the udja/the type grid!

Might help for you to consider do you learn by doing or do you learn by understanding. I noticed stark differences when teaching (as an INTP) my ISTP son how to parallel park.

Source material is located at csjoseph.life/reading if you'd like to verify.

It’s not about “order” that’s just a term to help the feeble minded make sense of things. It’s about structure…relationships/interactions…

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Many do, to their own detriment.

A and T are just cognitive focus in the Octagram. Here's a video on INTP Careers kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h72lrM6Dt7m4YKc.htmlsi=abfnJFrx-UFKTcgE

Or put another way, personality type is a starting point, not a box.

Says you and almost nobody else. If you knew anything about the cognitive functions, you'd know he described them exactly right. And no, not all of this could apply to anyone. Go ahead and try to apply it to an ENFP or an ESTJ. If you can I'll be impressed.

@@Claego lol! The Myers-Briggs is pseudo-science. Well-known nonsense.

Feel free to check out the source material of the science at csjoseph.life/reading!

@@EgoHackers There is no science to the Myers Briggs. Shame on you.

your difficulty in deciding suggests you are more likely INTP (the J function is about decisiveness)

What if…

These 16 personality types are really who you are at your core but time place and circumstance can definitely shape who you become. I’m middle-aged now and have always felt like a fly on the wall. I always wanted to blend into the wallpaper and not stand out, but I wanted to belong. I spent a lot of my time being concerned that I needed to wear something so that I would fit in but then I felt like I was wearing a costume of someone who fit in but I did not fit in. I think the benefit of personal growth and age, gives you a very different sense of self. a young INTP is going to present very differently based on where they come from and their parental connections. An adolescent INTP will do the same. If you lived on a farm and were an INT P. Then perhaps you would be the best farmer, and would be the Gregor Mendel of your county. If you lived in a big city and had little access to higher education, then you might be perceived as some kind of weirdo Who needed to be beat up. We all grow and change based on our personal experiences and I don’t think therapy is ever a bad idea for any person ever.(as long as you have a reputable therapist who is not trying to use cultish or faith based brainwashing.) even extroverts have existential crisis about being frauds or not having friends are true friends. Use any opportunity you with an impartial third-party to explore your personal desires. Your family will always tell you what you should do and people around. You will tell you what they want you to do but you need to know what you want. If you are an I, truly, you will find what you want to do and you will find your people and you will be content. Postscript… Always subject to change.

Didn't skip but i know it is wrong

lol typing by popular demand instead of truth will get you that.

No he's not stop using MBTI csjoseph.life/analyzing-jordan-petersons-octagram/

@@EgoHackers there is no evidence to support him being intp what even? Look at his traits and attitudes, he’s obviously an INFJ. He uses feelings in all his decisions….

Omg same

A lot of people mistype him, it's ok.

JBP describes himself as an extravert. That is significant. Not an INTP.

@@nerdhub3460 I don't care what type he is as long as not INTP.

A lot of people think this, hence the full article on the website explaining why. Origin and Octagram make for compelling arguments here.

3 sides of your mind are systematic, so even when you transition to your subconscious or unconscious, you're still going to be systematic.

very INTP comment

Funny how the psychological minority (Intellectuals) get labels isn't i?

@@EgoHackers seems like mind temple needs to MIND their own business, badum tss

Good luck figuring out your type! You can always download the companion guide at www.udja.app if you want to do a deep dive. Or get the free how to type yourself course at udja.app/products/precision-psychology

@@EgoHackers I'm very well aware of my type, thanks. I don't need you implying that I don't, just because my personal experience doesn't match every single example of an INTP. You know very well how nurture shapes the other sides of our minds, leaning into traits of other types, at times. Many (not all) of your examples simply didn't resonate with me. That doesn't make me not an INTP.

Wrong

@@hamidousy5460 I’m literally not, look into their functions that they actively use💀

Not once you factor Octagram into the equation.

@@EgoHackersThat's because I use the Big 5 and not the outdated Myer's Briggs that no actually social scientist actually uses. T/F maps onto agreeableness J/P maps onto conscientiousness. Peterson is both agreeable and concientious, hence both an F and a J. He's not a basement dwelling sitting on the couch thinking INTP. You're just wrong buddy. Even Peterson has explained that MBTI is outdated and should be replaced with the Big 5 model.

@@Dubbadizzo86he’s not agreeable.

@@bertonspat129 He is, and has stated multiple times that he is. And it makes sense for the career path he's chosen. He's only disagreeable because he's courageously fighting back against woke moralists who want to silence him and others for speaking their mind. He's going against his natural temperament because in his view the consequences of not doing it outweigh what his natural temperament would prefer.

Completely agree about Peterson. xNFJ, almost certainly INFJ. VERY high Fe, which is the focus of his entire life's work. VERY high Ni, far more linear and focused than Ne. Ni-Ti is how he tackles most scenarios. Se pops up mostly in his art collection, which he uses to keep himself grounded. "He's not a basement dwelling sitting on the couch thinking INTP." Okay, that bit was a little hurtful. Much to my regret, my house doesn't HAVE a basement... -- Middle-aged INTP 🥸

Nothing is a perfect mold

Touche :)

P type introverts are a judgement lead. See Socionics for details of how they tried to fix that problem with MBTI. But also use cognitive functions, origins, and Octagram, far easier and accurate.

I think he's probably an ENTP.

A lot of people think that, hence the full article explaining why on the website.

Nonon you don't need to have *ACCURATE* or *GOOD* logic to be an INTP, you just need to have the *INCLINATION* towards it. My own observation of JP is that he tends to see his own deep knowledge about subject matter and all the connections in his memories drawing parallels as evidence of those connections existing in the real world, e.g. common concepts in religion and mythology and psychology. These connections once drawn is then followed up with sound logic *if they were real connections* but he doesn't spot that it's connections in his own mind he is finding. The more learned a person the more susceptible they are to delusion almost like with sects. Which is why sect leaders have some similarities to intelligent people that lead others to see them as authoritative.

@@cyberneticbutterfly8506 no. Intriverted thinking is a search for trurh. Ti is precision. Jordan Peterson is an INTJ.

If you call the Bible information, then I guess he’s going off in formed knowledge. If you call toxic patriarchy information then yes he is an INT P.😂

Lmao right

I think so deep it makes me wish I was smart, or……successful, but at least I’m not humble about it right!

As an INTP, I would say we can't change we are, we can just fall or thrive. What worked for me was the Ti-Fi loop:being logical, but also being my own source of worth. Now I know what I want, so I can work on that goal.

Well, if you are an intp, you have a very creative mind, so if you can figure out motivation (still mastering that) you can do an absolute ton of

We’re more than just that… we have our struggles

Not even for the perceived greater good? Review what systematic means.

@@EgoHackers He is a globalist and a eugenicist and he smirks and cackles every time he gets to talk about his evil agenda. He didnt create microsoft. He was installed as the figurehead

That's a simplistic view of types. Any type can create havoc. First, do they themselves believe they are creating havoc? Second, life experiences can lead you to have different motives than others of your type.

He's an INTP and he's UD | UF so what?

@@hamidousy5460 What does "UD | UF" refer to?

Clearly you don't understand Octagram or Living Virtues.