I felt that when I was just running in Forza motor sport 7. That's why I think I have about 100 hours worth of tuning about 50 different cars to get them where I want. Goes to prove timing has genuinely come a long way in reaching games and im proud I care to delve into such a hard to be patient with thing because it makes you really connect with a vehicle.

Stylianos Stavrakis can you give us recommended car setup settings :)

I thought this was common knowledgewith any one who isnt a morron, that susspension has travel, lowering your car places it at a clsoer point to the limits of naturla travel thus reducing travel in one direction thus making it worse unless you adjust the suspension GEOMETRY to regain the travel you lost. All i know is my Rx7 can be lowered or raised about 1 inch before you ruin it's handling

Also you change all the geometry and roll center of the car, with mcpherson and some dwishbone you also change the camber and toe curves of the car. Too soft is too much weight transfer, too hard makes the car undriveable on any road that isn't mirror smooth. There's a balance, and it's softer than you think. Modern OEM is usually really good. suspension tuning is very complicated and honestly only way to get real info is to find an engineer and befriend them. Even people who race cars often have awful setups.

Dude omfg thank you 🙏🏼 you fixed my car problems !!

I agree

I also agree. Nice calm voice. None of that ""please hit that button."" None of that ""LOOK AT THIS LOOK AT THIS"" CLICK BAIT CLICK BAIT. KZfaq fucking sucks because of those ass holes this guy is a legend. thank you for being calm having good audio and thank you for not being a complete ass.

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Nice, thats 1 practical use for this feature right there 💟

A little suspension theory while you're tuning up your rides - Bound/compression stiffness on your dampers controls how much resistance the damper has to being squished. Say you hit a bump or a curb - the tire sidewall will absorb some and then when it cant anymore, its going to apply a lifting force to the suspension. Not enough suspension travel or too stiff, car is gonna bounce, you're gonna have a very twitchy car. Ive heard it said "compression stiffness adds grip until it doesn't." It's going to hold against that tire bouncing up but at some point that energy has to go somewhere. If the suspension and tire can't dissipate it, the chassis will have to. Stiffer compression on the front is also going to resist nose dive from braking. Too stiff and again, absorption of the shock falls on the tires until suddenly there's no grip and understeer. Too soft and you're wallowing around like a boat. Likewise, stiffer rebound in the rear is going to resist the extension of the shocks. This can help control the nose dive under braking and allow a smoother loading of the tires while allowing a little less compression stiffness up front. If you imagine how your body leans braking, on the gas and turning, think of the car body leaning that way and whether a shock at a given corner (of the vehicle) is compressing or rebounding. Stiffen a motion, it'll be reduced but remember the tires! Let the suspension absorb some load to keep the tires biting!

Why are you shocked? We live in a world where not everybody knows everything. Yes I like cars and yes I like driving games, but does that mean I know literally everything about how cars should be setup and what impacts performance and handling? No, of course not. I can enjoy the game just as much though, in the same way that I can enjoy driving my real world car without knowing exactly how it all works. I'm sure there are things you don't know that I do...shocking eh?

@@X22GJP Perhaps my word choice implied a more negative tone than I had intended. It just feels obvious to me that putting any setting at an extreme value is going to have negative results for the vast majority of situations. When chasing top speed, you don't adjust the transmission slider all the way to the tallest gear settings; you don't set the brake bias all the way max front or rear; you don't turn the downforce all the way up to the maximum settings...not unless it's very intentional for a specific situation. Ride height is one of the most visually obvious ones, too. The tires are very visibly tucked into the fenders and thus unable to turn. My assumption was that before making adjustments to these technical settings, especially drastic ones set to the very limit of adjustment, there'd be a base understanding or some research into what these things do. I guess my advice to anyone that wants to poke at the settings, check out some guides people have written about tuning in GT and then make smaller adjustments. Tweak, test, tweak, test. If you send a slider all the way to one side, you're going to get a very extreme result and it's really difficult to gauge if you're closer to a good setup compared to the baseline or not. I do remember the little tool tips/information provided by the game were excellent on previous versions. I think it was Gran Turismo 4 that offered an excellent explanation of the toe angles, how toe in or out changes turning performance and how adjustments at the rear make a more significant difference than the front. With fairly advanced tuning options, it'd be nice to see more comprehensive tips. I personally find it really rewarding to find that perfect setup for specific tracks in different cars and loading the different sheets. I think if the game could guide tuning changes, especially ones that aren't visually apparent like damper settings, people would have more fun racing without resorting to super soft tires and have to pit so much.

@@94XJ lol...

Who didn’t know this?

Yep, had this issue too also in the same car.. lol

Widen the body makes sense now 💟

the game prevents you from bottoming out 100% or rubbing the wheel wels by limiting steering angle

I kno you can scrape the body on the ground and it slows u but not sure of the tires

Luckily gt is known for upgrading their games. Wouldn't be a surprise if they were on it already, but ofc we need to keep talking about the things we want added in the game. Not in a dick way, respectfully.

Don’t you mean “didn’t”?

It will take some time, but I hope to have some more in depth tuning videos in the future!

@@Harmonic14 Tuning of FR cars would be super helpful especially dealing with gear tuning and helping to reduce the car spinning out. Great content, keep it coming!

@@Harmonic14 please no 😂 don't give the tools the tools 😂😂😂

Yes pla

@@procrastinateon3 you wanna lower the gear ratios so your torque doesn't out power the grip of your tires. Your optimal gear ratios will vary on the type of tire you use.

Absolutely, the fact they're even programming code to stop the clipping of tyre on bodywork and using a reduce steering lock to ensure that. Brilliant - and kudos to Harmonic for figuring it out. My initial thoughts were their trying to stop the top of the tyre from protruding through the arch graphically (as we sometimes saw on previous GT releases but it's much more sophisticated now)

Ahh, the 90s. The last great decade. I grew up in a racing family and whenever I think of a speedway I can even smell it.

Funny i had the same use. I thought my Logitech wheel was done...

Well said for my Porsche I put ballast on and put the weight towards the front to keep it 50/50 and surprisingly it worked

I'll look into it and see what I find!

Sweet!!

I imagine you can achieve the same effect without ballast by playing with the compression ratio on the suspension but I haven't played around with this since getting a 50:50 weight ratio is desirable for handling for other reasons.

Definitely like to see the setup, or even if you share here. 👍🏻

I have built an r33 which is very quick. Handling is pretty much what I would consider perfect. The only issue is downforce. It's super fast but super unforgiving. A driving error often means disaster as opposed to dedicated gr3 and 4 cars with all the extra downforce

Yes, please do. 👍

I didn't really try tuning the car here - this was just for an example. The R32 is decent enough, but I've built many cars that are faster than it at the same PP rating. Going into the gearing bug is a whole other can of worms, too...

R32 is a beast. I pretty much played the whole career with it (where it was allowed) and it absolutely decimates the competition.