The 'Gewehr' is a K98b conversion, as mentioned. It is a 'large ring' receiver. The smaller calibers: 7x57 and 6.5x55 are 'small ring' .

The 1891 and 1909 Mausers originally had receiver and bolt in the white - not blue. If they were refurbished, the receivers were typically blued. The 1891 barrel was for a long round nose bullet and when converted to spitzer, they received replacement barrels from SIG, were blueing and had tangent sights like the1909 calibrated for the new bullet. The 1909 was a commercial version of the 1898 Gewehr with the barrel shank changed to match the 1891 (so they could use the same barrels), the bayonet lug to use the 1891 bayonet, tangent sight instead of roller coaster style and caliber 7.65x53. Argentina came up short of funds for the 1891 contract so they arranged for Peru to buy up the remainder. Those already delivered were sent back to have the Argentine crest replaced with Peru and new rifles were shipped with Peru crest. Argentine had a law that the rifles could not be sold with the crest so those were ground off before export, some smoothly buffed, others rougher. However, grinding them off made the rifles less desirable by collectors. So after complaints from the exporter (and likely price negotiation), the Argentine government eliminated the law and later exports have crests.

I love the way you talk it sounds like a old time salesman

About the ground-off crests on many Argentine surplus rifles; this was done as a result of the Chaco War in the 1930s between Bolivia and Paraguay. The Argentines were supplying their Paraguayan neighbors with surplus weapons until the Bolivians captured some with the Argentine crests intact. Of course this caused a bit of a diplomatic tiff as Argentina was officially neutral. As a result, the Argentines thereafter made sure the crests were removed from their ex-military equipment prior to export.

Nice video. The background music was a nice touch. I went to pick up a '42 k98 recently and ended up getting a neat little sporterized 1891 Argentine in a package deal. I was really looking forward to getting the k98, but I can't keep my hands off of the 1891.

Great Vid, thank you! Now I know what was ground off the top of my 1891! Mine came from Grandpa and is is shockingly good condition for it's age. By your info here, looks to be an "early" 1891, original and only missing the big crest and a bayonet. All numbers match, even a little brass barrel cap thingy! Cool.

Stunning rifles. The 1909 is a work of art.

I just got one of the Argentine re-built .30-06 "Sporter" 1909s for $220. It's my 1st Mauser and I was wondering if it could be restocked. I mean, it's in excellent condition but that elevated site base kinda makes it funky looking.

I have an 1891 T serial number mauser with the crest intact. Pretty happy! just gotta clean the internals and such.

These are great rifles. I have both the long and the cavalry version of the 1891.

My father owned a 7.57 Argentina Mauser short rifle w curled bolt and 5 round magazine , German manufacture w an eagle standing on a swastika . Good shooter .

Very nice examples. Good to hear the whole story. I had almost forgotten that the 1909 had the flush fit mag in the stock. Some of the best surplus rifles ever.

Nice collection, I do have the 1879 rolling block, it's in an earlier video, I managed to find one that had not been refurbished, I do not have the carbine , not yet anyway . It's good to hear than some of the rifles remained in Argentina instead of having been sold out of the country.

great video thank you sir

The GEW98 and K98k are built to the specifications of the German Army, other model Mausers are built however the customer ordering them wanted them. The Germans wanted short handguards, others wanted them long.

I just was offered a matching, excellent condition 1909 Agentinian Mauser. It does not seem to have any bayonet lug attachment and this worried me. Also stock may have been replaced (it's very blond, and no marks) though I'm unsure it fits so well. Any explanation of the lack of bayonet lug? Very helpful video. Thanks.

They are nice rifles, great shooters if your eyes are up to the Mauser sights, been a few years since mine have been. I have a fourth one that never made it into the video, another 1891, it's mostly matching except for the bolt, it's off a carbine, the crest is unground on that one as well. Parts are available for these rifles from Numrich Arms, or on gunbroker, Good luck getting your M1891 back into service :)

The 1909 has two bayonet lugs, the original German style at the end of the stock forend like any K98k or GEW98 the Germans used in the World wars, and pinned on top of that is a bayonet adapter the Argentines required so they could continue using their older style bayonets. For both lugs to be gone would indicate the rifle has been sporterized by having some portion of it's stock forend removed. Light colored stocks are common enough on German GEW's, could be it was replaced.

My 1891, made in 1895 I believe as it is in the M series is the best I've seen condition wise and almost unused looking. Why? I believe it may have been on a ship. I heard those issues rarely got used. All matching numbers including rod and a number of tiny anchor stamps on it including behind sight at the top. Unfortunately no crest and a couple of stock dings but it looks like a three year old rifle. I guess I got lucky on an auction sight.

ok thank you sir and great video

Some of the 98/09 rifles were made in Argentina and are so marked on the bill board.

Mauser's are very commonly sporterized, this is the sort of thing I would need to see pics of video to be able to tell for sure what's wrong. However, if the rifle you are looking at does not look exactly like the 1909 I show in this video then it's been altered. Do you mean that your rifle is lacking the adapter for the bayonet that I point out in this video on my rifle? It has the Argentine crest just like my rifle? Is the front band in place?

DWM, the maker of the 1909 Argentine contract Mauser's did own FN of Belgium, but FN rifles are marked as such, these are German made . FN had other south American contracts to fill as well as producing rifles for the Belgian government.

Question, do you know where i can find a stock for a 1909 carbine?

The Argentine Mauser's are some of the Mauser works greatest efforts, however keep in mind that they use the 7.65×53mm R cartridge and not the more common 8mm Mauser of the Turk K Kales. Reloading would be the way to go with them, and with the 1891 it's best to load them on the light side, the 1909 can handle any ammo you can find for it being the later 1898 action. I have seen some 1891's on gunbroker lately selling in the $300 range.

Nice Mausers, I have a 1891 DWM that was sporterized way back when. The barrel is cut down to 22", the original stock been expertly checkered (multi stage) with a diamond shaped piece of darker wood pressed through the buttstock.The stock has no top wood and is duckbilled 1/2" shorter than the barrel. It is fitted with an old Weaver 2.5-7 variable power scope on a Weaver side mount, very nice job indeed! I have 3 '98 Mausers, a 1908 Brazilian, a 7x57 Santa Barbara and a heavy barreled Parker Hale (also Santa Barbara action), all super tight though I must admit my 03/A3 Springfield that was purchased unissued in the '50s for around $ 15 is my favorite "big" bolt gun and my 1954 Sako actioned Marlin .222 my favorite "baby" bolt gun. . And yes I agree .308 Winchester rounds could make quick work out of a 1891 Mauser much like the Spanish 1916 short rifles converted (very poorly I might ad) to 7.62 C.E.T.M.E. which were sold for around $50 each and marketed as .308s, yeah, they will chamber and fire that round it is a very poor idea!

Thank God you had a lamp so we could actually see what you're talking about !

therre is like infinite number of model 98 variations produce, but why is that only the gew98 and k98 have the short hand guard? all the others i have seen, the wood goes past the rear sight base.

Thanks for sharing. Any chance of clarification on how to get the stock bands past the bayonette lug on the 1909. Bands are free on mine, but, the lug/housing is stuck. Can a soft mallet dislodge that from the stock? Or is some pin holding it? If you know, thanks for your help.

That conversion was done by the Argentine government back in the 60's. They used .30-06 in the SAFN-49 that replaced the Mauser's. The Mauser 98 action has been used for everything from .22lr all the way up to magnum calibers, .30-06 should not be a challenge for it, it's on par with the 8mm Mauser the Germans used in millions of other 1898 actions. Check the rifles headspace with a .30-06 NO/GO headspace gauge available from Midway or Brownells, it's not hard to do.

Just bought a Early Loewe made 1891 Engineers Carbine for 375$ at a gun show all numbers matching and it is gorgeous! Did I overpay? probably but I don't care.This little mule will probably whip my..well you know because it is so short and light.Have fun and God Bless.

Great video, Thanks for the info.I hope to get my 1891 back into servicable condition.I know i can after all your help. Tennessee_Mosin

Absolutely beautiful Argies!! I have an '09 and a '91 and both are wonderful shooters, just that their crests are ground. And, in the case of the '09, it has been rechambered for 7.53-06 meaning a 30'06 case fire formed to 7.65. It's an interesting rifle to reload for and fire. I've read these were rechambered by sears or woolworth back in the '60's to be more attractive to the American market. I understand that there was a large number of '09s imported into the US back then. Firing a 30 caliber bullet down a 7.65 bore is not very accurate. I use .311 bullets.

I have a Brazilian 1908. What is the difference from your 1909?

Thank you, you sound like Jay Leno.

Question, do the 1909 stripper clips fit in the 1891 mauser?

You know I never tried it, I have a few clips someplace that I recall playing with in the 1909 20 years back, don't know what I did with them. They should fit, both rifles are 7.65 Argentine, they should work with any 7.65 Mauser like the Belgian or original Turk models.

Mostly the caliber, your Brazilian is a 7mm, the Argentine Mauser's are 7.65mm. Both rifles are DWM built rifles, both to the same quality, both are basic copy's of the Imperial German GEW98 ( 7.92mm) The Argentines had a habit of refurbishing their surplus rifles prior to sale so they could jack up the prices, but some slipped through in original condition. Few countries outside the USSR did that sort of thing with surplus weapons, they just sold them as scrap.

No specific place that would have them, Numrich arms would be one place to check, they have millions of gun parts. Gunbroker, search it regularly as stuff is listed daily, and Ebay will also allow sales of gun stocks. The 1909 uses a 1898 Mauser large ring action, '98 Mauser carbines are extremely popular and can be expensive, they are not often broken up for parts and as they are lower production spare parts are not easily available. Just keep looking and one day you might get lucky.

Nice rifles. These Argentines sure lokk good. By the way, Ludwig Loewe became DWM in 1896.

the brass one is not from the navy is from the granadier guard (presidencial guard)

orgullo argentino...

you said that the 1891 may not handle full power loads, but how about ones that have been rechambered to .308?

Is the 1909 stock force matched?

Loewe merged into DWM at end of 1896.

Nice Vid, Im From Argentina and I have de two tipes of 1891 (Infantry and Cavallery Carabine) Now I buy a 1909 Cavallery carabine. Do you have the Remington Rolling Block Modelo Argentino 1879 EN and the "Tercerola" RRB carabine.?

Sorry, typo -look.

Norma makes the best 7.65 ammo.

any one know how much the 1891's are going for now days?

Argentina nicely removed the crest themselves en masse after setting up for it. Arisaka 'mums were mostly ground off haphazardly by US troops' leaders on an individual basis, under US orders, as an official courtesy to the Emperor.

You can buy the 7.65x53 ammo from Cabelas online. Made in Serbia by PPU. About $19 a box of 20. So, easy to find, but we here in CA can no longer buy via the internet! Communist state that I live in.

Urm, made in Belgium...

Not trying to be a pronunciation Nazi, just letting you know that "Loewe" is pronounced "Loeve"

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If you want a Mauser that will last you a life time buy a Ruger 77 they are made of better metal. Even used they are better than any mauser. Mausers are over priced. Any war gun that's over priced Ha Ha let them keep it for their gun museum,.... hell any modern bolt gun wont blow hot gas in you face when you shoot it. Yeah they suckerd me into military junker's,...........military junker's are like a pyramid scheme. You buy their shit and they buy new shit. I had a Argentine Mauser, Spanish Mauser,.. FN Swedish Mauser, and a Russian Mauser. I had a M1 30 carbine it shot like shit And bought a brand new universal arms 30 carbine it shot like shit too,..Why,....... just because 30 carbine is a pussy round that's in accurate,.....But M1's were beautiful but of no use to me I like my bullseyes. The FN shot great groups just not where you aimed at 100 yds a little high. Ha Ha the Russian Mauser was basically an 1891copy,..... but it was a short Mosin Nagant it shot 7.62X54 I liked that one. I know a guy that has a Mauser 98 German Gewehr with half the crest it was a submarine capture his grand father had so he drilled holes broke off screws and busted off a chunk of the receiver. I know he did it because I saw how he rode my bike, he didn't know shit about shit. Find a Ruger Mannlicher,....and that's the best Mauser money can buy Sako, Remington and winchester made them too,... or buy a yugo M48 brand new from the factory. You can also get a Zastava at Century arm's any configuration that you want.