Attorney Explains How to Get Off Rosters in California

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Armed Scholar

Armed Scholar

3 жыл бұрын

In this video I cover California laws surrounding off roster handguns and some of the legal processes for individuals to legally obtain them.
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@ArmedScholar
@ArmedScholar 3 жыл бұрын
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@dantedamean
@dantedamean 3 жыл бұрын
You forgot the link lol
@davfre8000
@davfre8000 3 жыл бұрын
Thordsen customs link? I can google but idk if using your link gets you a referral fee
@PerfectTyler
@PerfectTyler 3 жыл бұрын
As a CA resident if my TX resident grandfather hands me a handgun while he is visiting CA, what ruleset must I follow?
@The1337nut
@The1337nut 3 жыл бұрын
Cmon, help us help you make some referral money
@brianbirc
@brianbirc 3 жыл бұрын
Armed Scholar Question First thank you for our videos teaching me and many others of gun laws. The state of CA is complex regarding them. Is it legal to purchase an off roster handgun or any gun from an US citizen out of CA through an FFL transfer ? Background check waiting period etc... While off roster sales in CA private sales will be sold at a higher price due to supply and demand of course. In free states that obey the Constitutional Bill of Rights that makes them free people in the USA they are allowed them and not have the value to be able to get them. The Subjects in Commiefornia must use FFL transfer for purchase of all guns from other than Dad, Grandpa etc.. 2nd question Have there been other times CA residents had guns purchased legally in CA through an FFL and owned them for years. Legally owned even modified to remain legal in many cases. Then when the recent assault rifle law is passed and registration, featureless or fixed magazine is required to possess them is voted on and passed. The law is added to it that makes any legally owned magazine fed semi auto shotgun that was currently required 10 shell maximum magazine and a bullet button device illegal to possess. No registration or featureless option allowed. Fixed magazine I believe not an option either. Not possible with a Saiga or other AK style. Made illegal to possess. No compensation for them. Many expensive and valuable legally owned property made illegal and a criminal to possess by law ? Under the 2A with no options? Not just illegal to buy or sell etc.. Not voted but added like this to a law voted on and passed. I am not understanding how CA can do this. What would stop them doing this to other or all guns this way in the future or other rights this way ? Off roster handguns could be made illegal to possess by law with no grandfather in or registration legality etc for example ? It is confusing to me. There was no amount of crime or homicide with their use to justify this law this way I have heard about. Thanks for your help.
@klinec38
@klinec38 3 жыл бұрын
If its good enough for the cops it should be good enough for everyone else.
@freddieh5539
@freddieh5539 3 жыл бұрын
If it's good enough for the military it should be good enough for everyone else.
@darkhorse0687
@darkhorse0687 3 жыл бұрын
If its good enough for our military it's good enough for us
@samlandau372
@samlandau372 3 жыл бұрын
Total BS. Cops aren't above the law. Why should they be allowed standard cap mags and off roster handguns but we can't?
@brighthought11
@brighthought11 3 жыл бұрын
They made a society where some animals are better than other - George Orwell animal farm. The police think they are above you and deserve rights you don’t , they think you should be disarmed, when they work for you. Just think the pay and benefits they get, than they can go buy guns you can’t for 400 with police discount and sell them on calguns all day for 1400+ Complete illegal black market, and it’s completely upheld and protected
@HaloDude557
@HaloDude557 3 жыл бұрын
@@brighthought11 technically they can't buy off roster with the intent to resell for a profit
@jasonczfan8658
@jasonczfan8658 3 жыл бұрын
I’m roster exempt but I think the handgun roster may be the dumbest of all the laws we have here in California
@TheBlackSheepChronicles
@TheBlackSheepChronicles 3 жыл бұрын
We need to fund the pro 2a firms out there fighting the good fight. More CCP insurance, lobbyists and legal representation with our self defense and pro 2a rights.
@bsrpython257
@bsrpython257 3 жыл бұрын
Dumbest? There's this turtle that got a straw stuck in his nose in Texas...
@lalohernandez5582
@lalohernandez5582 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. I’m a yang gang guy politically and this is bullshit
@dave8599
@dave8599 3 жыл бұрын
Remember it is the o.ice that enforce these unAmerican laws. yet in california the police ignore real crime. I used to back the blue, but now the blue only exists to hassle the good folks, and defend the illegal folks. I lost all respect for cols when the san Jose police"stood down" and allowed the leftists to beat up attendees at a Trump Rally. You coppers, you have become the enemy
@jimc9608
@jimc9608 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't every Californian exempt from the roster with the execption of the FFL. In other words the roster only applies to activities by an FFL at the retail level. The roster says nothering about the activities of the buyer. If an FFL is confused and sells you an off roster handgun, then it's the FFL that has the problem not you. The roster says nothering about possession.
@tommyseabee2176
@tommyseabee2176 3 жыл бұрын
Currently cannot get “on roster” handguns.
@papirojo4228
@papirojo4228 3 жыл бұрын
@szL TV I’m going to be in San Marcos tomorrow. Any idea what their ammo stock is looking like?
@johnfreitas7851
@johnfreitas7851 3 жыл бұрын
@szL TV what store in fallbrook I’m in Temecula
@MGB-learning
@MGB-learning 3 жыл бұрын
Better yet we can call these guns "Refugees" LOL
@x.mike.
@x.mike. 3 жыл бұрын
@@MGB-learning sanctuary state for said "refugees"
@RezaQin
@RezaQin 3 жыл бұрын
Working as intended.
@jlac2box
@jlac2box 3 жыл бұрын
Another way to get a off roster handgun is to simply get rid off the CA roster but that's another lawsuit and lengthy process in the future.
@TheBlackSheepChronicles
@TheBlackSheepChronicles 3 жыл бұрын
Lets sue...sign me up
@buddytesla
@buddytesla 3 жыл бұрын
BTW, the direct lineage rule applies to transferring ammo as well. For example, you can give ammo to your grandson, but not your brother.
@PeachTreesHOA
@PeachTreesHOA 3 жыл бұрын
Scouts refused to hear the case earlier this year
@AshGreen359
@AshGreen359 3 жыл бұрын
And SCOTUS already refused to hear that case
@AshGreen359
@AshGreen359 3 жыл бұрын
Instead of suing, why not put a prop on the ballot instead?
@POVシューター
@POVシューター 3 жыл бұрын
Buyer: I want a glock 19. Seller: Sorry, you can't get that one. Buyer: Why? Seller: That color isn't on the roster.
@elcompaish2141
@elcompaish2141 3 жыл бұрын
That happen to me when I was buying my Glock.
@rayzztera.3171
@rayzztera.3171 3 жыл бұрын
Buyer; I want to purchase the latest Glock 19 you have. Gun store; sir, for you I have this gen 3 and it's brand new! Buyer; well then, can you order me one in FDE and I'll take it! Gun store; sorry sir, you can only get it black. If you want it you'll have to fill out the paperwork and we'll call you when the DOJ gets around to completing it. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
@elcompaish2141
@elcompaish2141 3 жыл бұрын
@@rayzztera.3171 they do have the OD green on the roster but yes not the FDE. It’s so dumb.
@x.mike.
@x.mike. 3 жыл бұрын
@@elcompaish2141 FDE is a military-style color. Sorry...
@elcompaish2141
@elcompaish2141 3 жыл бұрын
@@x.mike. yup too dangerous hahahaha
@bretmcdanel8595
@bretmcdanel8595 3 жыл бұрын
IMO the roster violates the CA disabilities act and the ADA. As a person with one hand I cannot get a left handed variant to properly operate a safety because they are off roster. I should not be forced to buy an on-roster variant then pay for additional parts to convert it to ambi or left handed operation. Additionally I should not be forced to pay a premium for an off roster handgun that was otherwise made available in a private party transaction. A reasonable accommodation is to allow me to buy a left/ambi variant of an existing firearm (or any handgun ideally given that a manufacturer's failure to pay the annual fee causes a firearm to be delisted its not really about safety). Now that it appears I am not leaving immediately I would possibly be open to being the plaintiff in such a case.
@keananf
@keananf 3 жыл бұрын
There should not be any kind of handgun roster. Citizens should be able to legally purchase any handgun that that police can buy.
@ArmedScholar
@ArmedScholar 3 жыл бұрын
💯
@2Atreehugger
@2Atreehugger 3 жыл бұрын
I just want to thank the Armed Scholar for his hard work and providing all of us with this information. 👏👍🏼
@ArmedScholar
@ArmedScholar 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the support!
@jpjp3873
@jpjp3873 3 жыл бұрын
RECALL GAVIN NEWSOM!
@charliecoronado4657
@charliecoronado4657 3 жыл бұрын
Its not working dude. We have tried endlessly andnthe signatures get lost in translation 🙄
@jpjp3873
@jpjp3873 3 жыл бұрын
@@charliecoronado4657 3rd times the charm! That's what it took for Gov. Davis
@jonduncansakurawallknifegarden
@jonduncansakurawallknifegarden 3 жыл бұрын
I signed.
@charliecoronado4657
@charliecoronado4657 3 жыл бұрын
I signed too. And he still in. Honestly I think they do it so he is singing off every bill they are happy with and then get him out.
@TheBlackSheepChronicles
@TheBlackSheepChronicles 3 жыл бұрын
I will sign again. We need this dude out!! #newcalivoter
@christianmiranda23
@christianmiranda23 3 жыл бұрын
I love your content man! Working at a gun store, your info is greatly appreciated and I tell my customers to watch your videos. If i may make a request, can you put chapters in your videos so it's easier to skip to a particular topic within the video. That would be awesome.
@a68rebel
@a68rebel 3 жыл бұрын
I seriously can not see how any of these "laws" are enforceable let alone Constitutional?
@ecodrove
@ecodrove 3 жыл бұрын
You are right, they can't enforce the law if you decided not to jump through all of the ridiculous hoops, but if you happened to use your guns for rightous self-defense incident, suddenly, you became a crimial and you will not only face criminal charges, you will also face civil suits as well. Comie-lifornia is crazy...
@HaloDude557
@HaloDude557 3 жыл бұрын
Because judges uphold unconstitutional laws, very simple actually.
@HaloDude557
@HaloDude557 3 жыл бұрын
@deucedeuce22oz easy to say, but the reality is you'll go to jail without firing a shot when a squad of overweight, incompetent DOJ officers knock on your door.
@HaloDude557
@HaloDude557 3 жыл бұрын
@deucedeuce22oz yea, ok, minuteman. The NFA has existed for almost a century now, no one is going to do shit.
@fjimmel
@fjimmel 3 жыл бұрын
There is no 2 AD in Calif and soon in the good ole USA.....gone ....nada....no one will stand up for their rights......welcome to communist USA.....STAND UP PEOPLE
@Libertarian_Neighbor
@Libertarian_Neighbor 3 жыл бұрын
The comment section is pure gold tonight. Need a “like all comments” button.
@ngm2733
@ngm2733 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome topic to cover. I have used this method, from family out of state. It is lengthy but got what I wanted. I thought California closed this “ loophole”. Glad to know they didn’t.
@davidmerrell1163
@davidmerrell1163 3 жыл бұрын
I'm sure they will...
@jordanforever2345
@jordanforever2345 3 жыл бұрын
if people keep abusing this ... eventually
@jordanforever2345
@jordanforever2345 3 жыл бұрын
@@Liinglingg ask your legal attorney on this to be safe.
@ngm2733
@ngm2733 3 жыл бұрын
@@Liinglingg find a gun shop that is willing to work with you on this and educate themselves. This is rarely used, I assume. If it is from out of state you’ll have to fill out an intrastate form and interfamilia form. I filled everything out with the licensed dealer I used. Hope this helps.
@buddytesla
@buddytesla 3 жыл бұрын
“Nobody should have these handguns because they’re unsafe....except police officers.” - the state of California
@BluePatch-pc7sx
@BluePatch-pc7sx 3 жыл бұрын
As a LEO in California, I was used to buying off roster handguns. I retired(7/31/2020) and walked in to the gun store(Feb/2021) to get a Glock 45(off roster), the lady looked and me and said, sorry. So make sure if you are a LEO get the guns before you retire.
@Mralex3281
@Mralex3281 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear that. But as retired LEO, I believe you have conceal carry rights, correct?
@0akland510
@0akland510 3 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work brother! 👍
@ModernWelfare2288
@ModernWelfare2288 3 жыл бұрын
Keep it up with the great content! Make the podcast happen!
@14sgs
@14sgs 3 жыл бұрын
PPT discussion starts 10:35
@giatayna2
@giatayna2 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for providing info always!👌🏻
@ArmedScholar
@ArmedScholar 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your support!
@MGB-learning
@MGB-learning 3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding video and presentation.
@GIXXXER274
@GIXXXER274 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Keep up the good work. I got a CZ P10 S, and yes...it cost me an arm and leg, and a kidney...
@ArmedScholar
@ArmedScholar 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the support!
@chemical-starfux9436
@chemical-starfux9436 Жыл бұрын
You must really like that CZ!!
@SamuraiJack44
@SamuraiJack44 3 жыл бұрын
Keep Up The Great Work Brother!
@alanSJ1000
@alanSJ1000 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir for time and knowledge.
@TylerIsSound
@TylerIsSound 3 жыл бұрын
Soooo... Step 1. Get married Step 2. Transfer firearm Step 3. Divorce
@AshGreen359
@AshGreen359 3 жыл бұрын
The number of same sex marriages would skyrocket
@horus909
@horus909 3 жыл бұрын
I think adoption would be the easier route. Might be more expensive though.
@chudthug
@chudthug 3 жыл бұрын
wait you have to transfer guns in CA instead of just giving to your son or brother
@95Eg6SoCal
@95Eg6SoCal 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Info.
@Bman2071isback
@Bman2071isback 3 жыл бұрын
The CFARS system is skewy. I did an interfamilial transfer between my dad and I for my .270 rifle. Of course, because of the ammo background check law, I needed the application to be approved before I can buy ammo. And of course I was never notified when my application got approved. After months, I decided just to try and buy ammo and it did work.
@mgsharnhorst
@mgsharnhorst 3 жыл бұрын
Most of the off roster firearms, are off roster, due to the microstamping law, not because they are unsafe.
@thebronzetoo
@thebronzetoo 5 ай бұрын
You spelled "ALL" wrong.
@honda9543
@honda9543 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info.This is very helpful 😎
@ArmedScholar
@ArmedScholar 3 жыл бұрын
👍🏻
@Fireguy-
@Fireguy- 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for keeping us up to date. How do you think AB 2699 will affect LEOs and their off-roster handguns? Also do you know of any legal challenges to AB 2699?
@mhma1976
@mhma1976 Жыл бұрын
excellent posting ❗️
@CHILANGOSTALLION
@CHILANGOSTALLION 3 жыл бұрын
Remove the damn roster and boom problems solved.
@ArmedScholar
@ArmedScholar 3 жыл бұрын
Agree!
@brighthought11
@brighthought11 3 жыл бұрын
Better luck moving out of state , Cali ain’t just gonna get better overnight, 30+ years of bs was enough.
@CHILANGOSTALLION
@CHILANGOSTALLION 3 жыл бұрын
@@brighthought11 yes, I agree that is exactly what upsets me.
@4000marcdman
@4000marcdman 3 жыл бұрын
Great video quality.
@playtime5423
@playtime5423 2 жыл бұрын
Great breakdown 👍🏼👍🏼
@rustyknifelover4463
@rustyknifelover4463 3 жыл бұрын
I use Thorsden for my grip stock amazing product for those of us in The People's Republic of California.
@CG-qx3yc
@CG-qx3yc 3 жыл бұрын
If Police are able to use and purchase these guns then surely they are safe guns. Who wants our police protecting the public with "unsafe guns".
@KA-id4wt
@KA-id4wt 3 жыл бұрын
Here's how, go to south sac ask one of the many crack dealers.
@anthonysida57
@anthonysida57 3 жыл бұрын
Its actually harder than that and black market guns are super expensive
@bahbarino4479
@bahbarino4479 3 жыл бұрын
People moving TO CA...😆 Great info, thanks!
@golfnb28
@golfnb28 3 жыл бұрын
Ya really, who in there right mind would move to a the commie state of CA🤔🤣🤣🤣
@jayheavyequipmentoperator1208
@jayheavyequipmentoperator1208 3 жыл бұрын
I moved for way higher pay at work....But now I am trying to eventually get out
@golfnb28
@golfnb28 3 жыл бұрын
@@jayheavyequipmentoperator1208 and way higher cost of living😉
@brighthought11
@brighthought11 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly, that pay increase must be damn good to overcome 2k a month for a 1 bedroom apartment without utilities, gas is 4$ a gallon and the food is noticeably more expensive, gun rights and everything else is trash
@ron-yv4jx
@ron-yv4jx 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.....
@2Atreehugger
@2Atreehugger 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you !!!👍🏼
@jackofalltradesmasterofsom6030
@jackofalltradesmasterofsom6030 3 жыл бұрын
I just wanted to start off with a thank you for the work you do. I tell everyone to like, comment and subscribe. I’ve been a resident of CA for a couple years now and I want to bring home a off roster hand gun that I have owned since before I made the move but didn’t bring it with me. Any information on a direction I should take would be greatly appreciated. Again thank you for your service and a Happy New Year’s to you and your family.
@jimmytate7587
@jimmytate7587 3 жыл бұрын
just legally purchased a cz50 through a dealer. it was legal because of the age of the pistol. the gun is a fine example of a .380 acp which i have included on my request for a ccw.
@donniedarko1345
@donniedarko1345 2 жыл бұрын
just spent 4 hours on this topic in my preppers class over the past 2 weeks.
@weduhpeople8504
@weduhpeople8504 3 жыл бұрын
Many CZ Custom guns like many “Shadow” CZs which are DA/SA guns which the “Shadow” slide has no firing pin block. These guns use host frames that can be purchased as guns that are on the Ca roster. Such as the CZ 75 SA (single action) which is on the Ca roster. Another one is the SP-01 can be made into a “Shadow”. Then buy a “Shadow” slide from CZC and replace it on that frame. I did exactly that with a CTS long slide. I’ll be doing the same with the Bull slide. I’m planning on doing this with Dan Wesson 1911 which I own a Valor. I may even do a 10mm caliber slide. Remember the frame is considered the part of the gun that has to be drosed.
@MrArob826
@MrArob826 3 жыл бұрын
Yup, I bought a Thorsand Custom for my AR. For me, it was the best fit for me
@MrArob826
@MrArob826 3 жыл бұрын
@deucedeuce22oz nope, but it's better than a fin grip. Since california wanted a complaint rifle, this one helps to keep you on target and in control.
@MrArob826
@MrArob826 3 жыл бұрын
@deucedeuce22oz It's only a good fit, if you live in California 😢😢. Check out The Daily Shooter and search for that video. I bought one beI saw it on episode Channel a year or two ago
@ChekkmyShit
@ChekkmyShit 3 жыл бұрын
How about if You’re active duty military stationed in a different state but your home state is California. You buy an off roster handgun in another state. Then do a FFL transfer back to California and register it in California
@giunchel
@giunchel 3 жыл бұрын
Is this possible? I’m in the same situation, and I’m trying to figure out how to legally do it
@unbelievableca5687
@unbelievableca5687 2 жыл бұрын
Here in CA you can add the entire HK USP line up to the off roster list as of early May.
@unbelievableca5687
@unbelievableca5687 2 жыл бұрын
@@a.common.American CA Handgun roster. It's been updated and only shows P2000
@walterlee6096
@walterlee6096 3 жыл бұрын
Great vid. One grey area i think you addressed was how the off-roster firearm gets here. If my parents brings one from out of state, can we both show up at a local California FFL to do the transfer, or does the firearm have to be shipped from one FFL to another?
@Politicallyhomeless957
@Politicallyhomeless957 3 жыл бұрын
Sister to Brother does qualify. That should be included as many may be wondering. Good vid 👍
@RS-jz2yu
@RS-jz2yu 2 жыл бұрын
I was wondering that. Is there something that shows this? He mentioned "up and down"multiple times.
@nhonchouevang5940
@nhonchouevang5940 3 жыл бұрын
You literally answered my question about moving into CA with an "Off Roster" handgun! Thats a Like and Sub! Thank you!
@jordansisemore6689
@jordansisemore6689 3 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on how to get ammo when you have moved within the state and the doj process.
@thomasjefferson4358
@thomasjefferson4358 10 ай бұрын
Fantastic information... thanks Armed Scholar!!!
@nolanwitt7357
@nolanwitt7357 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you A. S. You’re the man. I have tried to use this method for a sig p320 registered to family living in NV. The process stops after multiple FFLs deny the transfer for fear of legal retribution coming from accusations of assisting in a straw purchase. Any tips from the community on finding and communicating to a willing FFL in Orange County? Thanks again✌️ Edit: thanks for the tips guys! I’ll keep at it, it’s gotta work eventually
@Libertarian_Neighbor
@Libertarian_Neighbor 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. I’d try different FFL’s, maybe look north?
@ArmedScholar
@ArmedScholar 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you have some fudd stores near you!
@billweech8142
@billweech8142 3 жыл бұрын
You can find lots of CA FFL's with out of state intrafamilial transfer experience on CalGuns site. Shouldn't be hard to find one near where you live.
@freeflyford1
@freeflyford1 3 жыл бұрын
You might hav to drive farther away. Poway Weapons and Gear Range near San Diego did mine. Although they were confused. First they called me when it arrived and asked if I was law enforcement exempt. I said no, I didn’t have to be because was gift from my daughter. Emailed the associate the rules regarding infra familial transfers and informed him it was legal. They asked for an email from my daughter stating that it was a gift. When I got there they said it wasn’t a true “ intra familial transfer” because she would have to present for it to be an intra familial transfer so it wouldn’t be $19 and the charge would be $100 instead. I didn’t question any further and paid then$100 and they did the DROS. Very confusing transaction that is obviously very confusing to try and legally comply with and many FFL don’t understand and don’t want to mess with.
@brandon_crow1291
@brandon_crow1291 Жыл бұрын
Another option is getting a C&R license. Though there are other things you've gotta deal with on that front such as age of the gun.
@jackmehoffer7819
@jackmehoffer7819 11 ай бұрын
Update: my inter family transfer went through finally. I sent my paper work to California DOJ on August 30th 2022 and after several emails I finally got my approval letter in the mail on Sat July 22 2023. So almost 11 months before it was approved.
@IWBVS
@IWBVS 10 ай бұрын
theyre really strict on immediate family, huh but congrats. im looking for the 43x but its hard to find someone with one
@Mp-jw1qg
@Mp-jw1qg 2 жыл бұрын
its cheaper to rent an apartment in nevada or arizona for a year than it is to buy a few guns of calguns from cops ..... just saying you can buy guns while you live out of state, when you move back, you can import off rosters
@johngifford7725
@johngifford7725 3 жыл бұрын
Hmmmmm. That ALL sounds like infringement, with extra steps.
@fernsamm
@fernsamm 3 жыл бұрын
Hi! Love the videos man! Is there any chance you could do a video on California penal code 25640?
@TrueBlueLA323
@TrueBlueLA323 3 жыл бұрын
Armed Scholar, thanks for all of your help and knowledge with all you provide. I have a question. As a resident of CA. Would it be possible to purchase a handgun, shotgun, rifle out of state (On CA. roster or not) with an out of state CCW and bring it back to CA. or have to go through an FFL dealer? Thank you again.
@samcro9168
@samcro9168 Жыл бұрын
Other states will not sell you a firearm if you are not a resident.
@manuelojeda1521
@manuelojeda1521 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been trying to get a gift from my daughter in AZ. None of the FFLs in AZ want to send it to a CA. FFL. what is the deal with that.
@jaxmz1
@jaxmz1 3 жыл бұрын
Extra Paperwork. Plain laziness.
@billweech8142
@billweech8142 3 жыл бұрын
Manuel, You don't need a FFL in AZ. Your daughter needs to be the registered owner of the gun. Find a FFL near you willing to accept shipment from AZ then your daughter overnights the gun to the CA FFL. You still do DROS the background check and wait 10 days. Look here for more info: wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php?title=Transferring_Firearms_Among_Some_Family_Members
@freeflyford1
@freeflyford1 3 жыл бұрын
Try Poway Weapons and Gear near San Diego. They did mine
@mariodesmo
@mariodesmo 3 жыл бұрын
I have a question about the definition of a straw purchase. It's my understanding that a straw purchase is when a person(B) is attempting to circumvent (get around) the paperwork and background check requirements by having someone else(A) buy the firearm for them. So my question is if a person(A) buys a firearm, and transfers it to another person(B) through the private party transfer process of DROS, background check, and ten day waiting period, why is that a straw purchase when they have gone through the process of filling out the required forms, (Fed and State), background check, and waiting period?
@Libertarian_Neighbor
@Libertarian_Neighbor 3 жыл бұрын
There have been Officers who have gotten into trouble when it was found that they were buying and reselling dozens of guns a year and making thousands of dollars off them. Generally, if it’s a gun here and there it’s not frowned upon, but when it’s starting to look like a business...
@finngamesknudson1457
@finngamesknudson1457 3 жыл бұрын
@@Libertarian_Neighbor - Once they are doing business buying and selling, they are acting as an FFL. Being in the business without the federal license is a federal crime and usually prosecuted as such.
@thebronzetoo
@thebronzetoo 5 ай бұрын
@@finngamesknudson1457 This has nothing to do with the question asked.
@thebronzetoo
@thebronzetoo 5 ай бұрын
@@Libertarian_Neighbor This has nothing to do with the question asked.
@rolson6775
@rolson6775 4 ай бұрын
@@thebronzetoo Bottom line is the "intent".
@jamesjames290
@jamesjames290 3 жыл бұрын
Going through FFL doesn’t seem that private
@ArmedScholar
@ArmedScholar 3 жыл бұрын
It’s not because “private” party transfers is not about secrecy. The Ca doj ultimately becomes aware of all the transactions I talked about in this video.
@burtonh1
@burtonh1 3 жыл бұрын
I am supprised no one hasn't raised funds to put a petition on the ballot to combat these unconstitutional laws. The time to take action iis long over due.
@machvert69
@machvert69 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a Nevada resident and tried to transfer to my wife in CA. The CA DOJ said it couldn't be done until I move there. I guess only up and down family for out of state transfer and through ffl.
@APR909
@APR909 2 жыл бұрын
Do you also get to keep the hi capacity magazines that sometimes come with off roster handguns during an intra-familial transfer? Or do those have to be forfeited?
@smith8124
@smith8124 3 жыл бұрын
For an out of state interfamilial pistol transfer into California, does the one in 30 days rule apply? Or can the family transfer five pistols in one go and only the 10 day waiting period would apply to the group of 5 pistols?
@Hollysetbuilders
@Hollysetbuilders 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you @armed scholar. Question. When doing an inter-familial transfer from another state, does that person need to be a resident of that other state? (Ie can I go Nevada, buy an off roster handgun and then transfer to my father?
@000NULL
@000NULL 3 жыл бұрын
TLDR Out of state off-roster intrafamilial transfer MUST go through a FFL and go through the 10-day wait process. Intra-state Intrafamilial transfer BOTH parties must have an up-to-date FSC to use the online system or else it's the FFL +10 Day. Took me a few seconds to clarify that, 8 minutes into the video which gave some conflicting information.
@tbonekenny
@tbonekenny 3 жыл бұрын
Does the FFL have to be in California?
@000NULL
@000NULL 3 жыл бұрын
@@tbonekenny yes. Have your parent ship it from their local FFL to your local FFL. You’ll have to call around to find a local FFL willing to do it. Things CA needs: letter of gifting, including SN of pistol and addresses of both parties, parent’s Drivers licenses. What the CA FFL will need from you: FSC, DL, Second proof of ID. If this is your first pistol, there’s more to it.
@000NULL
@000NULL 3 жыл бұрын
@@greglewls2749 if you or your father is an FFL that’s okay. If neither one of you is an FFL, doing only CA online registration violates federal law. The CA online transfer paperwork doesn’t reflect federal regulations which in this case is 18 USC 922 (a). What I recommend: keep it simple and delete your post. Delete any post saying anything about your firearms your father gave you. If caught, blame the CA DOJ. If you want help on it let me know because there’s a lot of legal regulations (CA, UT and Fed!!!) around this and it’s easy to break the law if you rely on CA DOJ.
@tbonekenny
@tbonekenny 3 жыл бұрын
How does interstate interpersonal transfers work? Would it be the same process? Is an interstate interpersonal possible in California?
@000NULL
@000NULL 3 жыл бұрын
​@@tbonekenny you mean the sender and receiver are both within California? Both must be non-prohibited persons, they should both have FSCs. As long as the transfer is within the family you can use the online system. If the sender and receiver aren't in the same family, you can't use the online system and have to transfer via FFL and do the background check. That's the normal Private Party Transfer. Note: The online system will accept transfers that violate State and Federal law. Only use the online system if the sender and recipient of the firearm both have residencies in California, and are within the immediate family or approved family list.
@kmassrey
@kmassrey 3 жыл бұрын
Other scenario is a qualified familial member who is a California resident serving in the armed forces in another state can purchase off roster firearm locally where they are stationed and return to California and gift firearm via familial transfer
@mambojambostudio
@mambojambostudio 3 жыл бұрын
Two questions: how do you do the interstate/intrafamilial transfer through an FFL? Like how do i begin that? and also, does the straw purchase law apply to a family member outside of CA? aka not CA law enforcement who is exempt. I have yet to get my CA Driver's license, and my family is in texas. If I had my dad purchase an off roster handgun, could I transfer it through a FFL no problem?
@davidbuenrostro8205
@davidbuenrostro8205 2 жыл бұрын
Can it be a sibling transfer ? Or its only in the up and down?
@justinmoon4350
@justinmoon4350 3 жыл бұрын
Just did it ppt.
@mrrodethier
@mrrodethier 3 жыл бұрын
@armedscholar if my mother in law, transfers a pistol to my wife/her daughter, can this be done using my firearm safety cert. ? Thanks for all the great work and videos
@bbutterworth100
@bbutterworth100 3 жыл бұрын
How long does this process take and how will you know when it is finished?? I did an interfamilial transfer to my daughter (both in Ca) almost 3 months ago and have not heard anything.
@thomaseynon6205
@thomaseynon6205 3 жыл бұрын
What if a parent living out of state, happens to visit a child in California, and brings an off roster handgun with them, and passes it to a child. Would this still require an FFL transfer?
@132oink
@132oink 3 жыл бұрын
can you do a video on intrafamilial transfers next?
@ArmedScholar
@ArmedScholar 3 жыл бұрын
Kind of covered a lot of it in this video but maybe.
@Bacnow
@Bacnow 3 жыл бұрын
Armed Scholar - How would a “Straw Purchase” from an LE officer to a private civilian be identified as such? How would the state know the intent? Would it be the length of ownership by the original party (LE) or the frequency at which that party conducts such transactions? I am curious because my brother (LE) wants to sell me his off-roster handgun (transfer through an FFL) that he has owned for three months (he wants to use the money to buy the compact/carry version of that firearm). But, I would not want to do it if it might be a problem for him!
@newera3757
@newera3757 3 жыл бұрын
Protect your rights! Don't let them s*** on you!
@1stooge782
@1stooge782 3 жыл бұрын
Fuckm . get all the guns u want. Just don't tell them. In my country every one I know have closets pouring guns onto the floor. Sometimes forgetting what's at the bottom of the pile. One big toy box.
@SuzukiGil10
@SuzukiGil10 3 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video about how to read the roster? I've looked at some handguns on gunbroker that match the names on the roster but my FFL says that they are not on the roster.
@uh8302
@uh8302 3 жыл бұрын
make sure model numbers, colors, and calibers are the same, or go to a different FFL lol.
@codeblue4
@codeblue4 3 жыл бұрын
Every maker has a different method and even within the same maker it's inconsistent. Even then it will not note nuances like Glock Austria vs Glock USA. Your best bet is to advise what you're looking for then ask for help. Good luck.
@98akcivic
@98akcivic 3 жыл бұрын
I live in California and thank god my dad lives in Texas!!! 🤔😉..... Hey dad?......
@lanc5172
@lanc5172 3 жыл бұрын
Joe biden has already disliked this video lol
@cbroz7492
@cbroz7492 3 жыл бұрын
Joe just disliked his own reflection in a mirror...
@wannabecarguy
@wannabecarguy 3 жыл бұрын
He's napping.
@EternityE39
@EternityE39 3 жыл бұрын
Joe Biden is also already devising ways to stop this since it was publicized. Smfh.
@SuperBadbri
@SuperBadbri 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I want the S&W 380 EASY AND THE 9 MM
@rolliecrooks
@rolliecrooks 2 жыл бұрын
I’m a bail enforcement agent. Certified and Registered with the California department of insurance.. we arrest and book fugitives. In my opinion this is law enforcement. (Bail law) are we exempt from the roster?
@straycat1674
@straycat1674 4 ай бұрын
I would say no because you are not bonded by any governmental agency or police department. I did that job myself but in Virginia. And if there’s one thing we were drilled time and time again was that we were not cops. We were not law-enforcement. We were private citizens that did a job that empowered us to arrest very specific persons. Our bell piece was our warrant. Obviously federal law gave us rights and abilities as long as we were doing that job. But still we were not law-enforcement officers. The guy who trained me and my partner was a retired police officer and he constantly drilled into my head, do not even let people believe you are a cop because you can still get convicted of impersonating a police officer. He was also a stickler for the type of badge we had because he knew somebody with the round badge that looked like a US marshals badge and they never corrected anybody. They get convicted of impersonating a US Marshall.
@_bearded_3620
@_bearded_3620 Жыл бұрын
will you please do an update to this video. I would like to understand how transfers have changed
@mykidsdad2327
@mykidsdad2327 3 жыл бұрын
My co-worker (LEO) said he heard that as of Jan. 1 2021 Law Enforcement will only be able to sell to Law Enforcement when it comes to off roster guns. Have you heard of this?
@weduhpeople8504
@weduhpeople8504 3 жыл бұрын
Can this be done if you have dual residency? If someone has a house or apartment in let’s say Nevada?
@rugermsr
@rugermsr 3 жыл бұрын
Is there any current legal efforts to get rid of the handgun roster? Where are they in the process
@marquiesweaver3976
@marquiesweaver3976 2 жыл бұрын
@Armed Scholar I have used the transfer to get an off roaster handgun from my mom who lives in VA. She made a trip here and brought me the firearm I filled out the form and sent it in all worked. My question is if she gifts me an AR lower can I build a pistol with it? In VA the lowers are not registered as long guns. So would this be a legal loop hole to build a pistol? I would assume that it would have to have the mag lock on it and action break to comply.
@JohnnyTaxonomy
@JohnnyTaxonomy 2 жыл бұрын
And what about the standard capacity magazines (> 10) in the legally transferred (via PPT) handgun? Can a recently arrived out of state individual, becoming a CA resident, do a PPT with an existing CA resident with a off roster handgun (with its standard capacity magazines)?
@blakebeaton5821
@blakebeaton5821 2 жыл бұрын
My grandmother splits her time between her home in Utah and here in California, she owns an AR pistol in Utah and has been considering gifting it to me here in California, would she be able to bring it to California (in a compliant configuration) and transfer it to me immediately, or, would she need to notify the CADOJ first, then transfer it to me?
@howardtong8817
@howardtong8817 2 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to perform an interstate/intrafamilial transfer between siblings? like a sister to a brother?
@alegroman4294
@alegroman4294 3 жыл бұрын
How about intrafamilial transfer of On rosters handguns? Is the process of transferring the same and do not involve FFL dealers as well? Also, you failed to mention transferee is required to have FSC card. Thanks
@mattbrennan4779
@mattbrennan4779 3 жыл бұрын
I got a question for you Scholar if some one passes away before any forms of any kind could be signed or sent in how could one still obtain that firearm if at all possible ? It would have been a father to son transfer.
@ArmedScholar
@ArmedScholar 3 жыл бұрын
California’s intestate succession laws apply. Similar to intrafamilial transfer. Will be doing a video eventually on estate planing issues like this.
@mattbrennan4779
@mattbrennan4779 3 жыл бұрын
@@ArmedScholar Thanks, looking forward to your video .I always like to soak up more info. Ca. Is always changing and things are touchy here sometimes confusing on what is the best approach on certain things. Keep up the good work we need folks like you . Prayers for your family . Hope everything gets easier soon.
@0xLiquidFlows
@0xLiquidFlows 3 жыл бұрын
My Springfield Hellcat is on the roster. 😄 my mother gifted it to me.
@BoyOnTheMoon-
@BoyOnTheMoon- 3 жыл бұрын
I thought it wasn’t on the CA roster? What’s it under? Just today I looked it up and couldn’t find it?
@jrodom2411
@jrodom2411 3 жыл бұрын
I have that same safe. Can you do an explanation of gun safe laws? I've heard its against the law to keep Marijuana in a safe with firearms.
@rickymo76
@rickymo76 Жыл бұрын
Good information, thanks. One question about what you said about interstate intrafamilial gun transfer (to my son in CA). I know it has to be shipped to an FFL in CA but do I have to use an FFL to ship it there or can I just ship it myself to the FFL with the information needed in the case? I ask because I read somewhere else that I could ship it but I do doubt that...
@IWBVS
@IWBVS 10 ай бұрын
i would call an FFL like RifleGear
@rickymo76
@rickymo76 10 ай бұрын
@@IWBVS Actually did it using FFL to FFL, from Hawaii to Cali...piece of cake
@cmdrbroadslide5878
@cmdrbroadslide5878 3 жыл бұрын
This sounds like tiptoeing through the minefield of Ca DOJ GUN REGISTRATION. By another name, of course. Don't be surprised if the nice DOJ officer in CAMO showes up at your door wanting to see your newest pew pew. SURPRISE!! You just gave yourself up!
@TheStickman8484
@TheStickman8484 3 жыл бұрын
What about duel state residency?
@jaxmz1
@jaxmz1 3 жыл бұрын
My barber has duel residency CA and TX he has purchased firearms in Texas. Of course firearms not on the CA roster. But it’s a gray area when bringing those firearms across state lines I assume since “they’re illegal” in the state of CA. A bunch of BS in my opinion.
@PG-lf3rr
@PG-lf3rr 2 жыл бұрын
I know this is an old video, but I was told by an FFL in California, that if I am in the free state where my parent lives (like Texas), that while there, the federal background check for me for a gifted handgun...and then I could transport back and fill out the intrafamliar transfer with DOJ. This advice does not consider that...
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