Plus him later turning to Monty and going "Who *are* you today?" lol

I kinda feel for Artilarist, Druid is at least a C. The fact you can wildshape into a bear and still control your cannon, either for temp HP or damage seems great. Most DMs I know (myself included) Also just allow Cannon's with legs to effectively just mount themselves onto the wearer because that Predator shoulder mounted cannon is just too cool to say no to. Bonus points if it's mounted on a bear/wolf/llama... i duno

@@XanothAvaeth That's a single subclass among MANY

Ranger multiclass with artificer makes Aloy from horizon zero dawn

@@XanothAvaeth And who wouldn't want to play a bear running through the forest with a machinegun!?

I don't know what he was on today, but they need to hop him up on it every video!

I'm a little upset that they didn't realize that battle beast master smith does work. You use your bonus for robo bear, but only one of your attacks to direct brother bear. So, with extra attack, one attack controls brother bear, bonus to control bot bear and you have one attack left shoot. The companions' stats would still suck though...

Agreeeeed this was a roaring good time

Requires three levels and a 13 in what would usually be your dump stat, so I'd be hard-pressed to give it better than a C, but I respect the creativity.

Barbarian can not cast spells, but can use spells slots to paladin's Divine Smite or Artificer's Eldritch Cannon

Thats another video though. This video is Artificer dipping into other classes. The Barbarian dipping into Artificer would be on the Barbarian video.

@@brandonr2906 each of those levels does give the barbarian player extra utility outside of combat though whether it be mending, jump, or long strider spells at level 1. Infusions (+1 medium armor or shield means you minimal dex or get a throwing axe of returning) at level 2. And then level 3 you get the elixers. I feel like that at least bumps it up to a B for the extra utility.

​@Brandon R honestly speaking, the barbarian features are quite lackluster, so even having to dump charisma instead of intelligence in order to get the artificer utility is worth it, but as someone else said that would be for the barbarian video since you would dip artificer and not the other way around

Sadly int is underused in DnD compared to cha ... time to homebrew

Same thing with sorcerer, with sorcery points you can regain a spell slot

this, ive seen some cool alchemist arti/warlock builds

Artillerist/Warlock gunslinger. Take repelling blast. You now have a shotgun.

Also arcane recovery but only once a day

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I was thinking the same. I was surprised arcane archer wasn't mentioned. Where is the love for ranged fighters?

Arcane archer is decent, it just relies on grasping arrow, and forced movement combos. No spike growth party is complete without an arcane archer.

Gunslinger/Artillerist is pretty fun. It’s definitely a bit of MAD build but not enough to be bad

@@thpolar3887 same here, they should have went with subclass like creation bard to bring item to life or psy warrior that use int or rune knight where the fire rune give expertise with tool roll but i guess the video was long enough.

@@clintoncribari7841 im currently working on a gnome rune knight/armorer type build (thinking an allmight type). the rune/infusion work together since neither blocks the other.

Uh, I like the idea of a barbarian with a flame or bolt thrower on their shoulder.

I absolutely love this one. A raging Barbarian with a flamethrower/shoulder mounted cannon/shield generator. The temp HP and Infusions alone would make for a super tanky Barbarian, and you still have your spells for out of combat utility.

@cak01vej You're right on both points, it would be a Barbarian doing an Artificer dip rather than the other way around. Forgot Cannon needed an action to activate. You'd have to plan ahead and pick the right subclass as some of them rely on that bonus action. I still think it's workable, even if it isn't great. I've done a Wizard dip on a Barbarian once and I must say the handful of spells really made the character way more fun to play by giving me ways to contribute outside of combat.

@@LarsaXL So Doom Slayer?

You know I think Artillerist is just as viable for multiclassing as Battlesmith. You can even dip 3 levels in Arcane Archer Fighter and make a really cool ranged/control build.

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Plus, the extra attack from the armorer is one of the few times you can still use the soulknife's psychic blades to its full potential. The ability to mount your lightning launcher in your chest allows you to make two attacks one with the launcher and one with the psychic blade and still have a free hand for the bonus action psychic blade attack.

What about conflict of attributes? Would intelligence (artificer) need to be lower to accommodate charisma (bard)?

That, and more and better infusions at least until 10, then you have things like the artillerist level 15 ability is very, very good that push off multiclassing until pretty late in my opinion.

Also if you know your campaign will make it to the late game the capstone is way too good to multi class over.

100%!! SSI is sooo good, delaying it to MC is just not worth it.

@@Micah_4D It's basically the Wizards Spell mastery at a discount (both in terms of power, and level) which makes it even cooler because you can pass it around to party members.

@@voicetest6019 I think the best combo for low levels is to start 3 Lvls in Artillerist, then dip 2 levels in War-mage for it's base abilities and extra utility cantrips like mending or mage hand, that way your Artificer cantrips will be your damage dealing ones for your acane firearm at 5h level Artificer.

I've had a running idea of sibling Armorers, one an Eldritch Knight and the other, an Arcane Trickster. For hire investigators/muscle...

Go OG kobold, ride your steel defender and get constant pack tactics advantage

These guys aren’t exactly looking at this from the most universally powerful mechanical perspective, highly overstated both the rogue and paladin multiclasses while really understating fighter, ranger especially, cleric, bard, sorcerer, just because they’re only looking at main ability scores and big features that the regular single class versions would be using, the ranking system as a whole is bad because it considers only one or two subclasses working as a sign that the dip is bad, even if those subclasses work exceptionally well. Not to mention missing what makes artificers special in general, ie tool proficiencies, infusions, unique and powerful subclass features, and that sharpshooter artificer is a pretty core optimizer build synergizing extremely well with both fighter and ranger. And peace cleric dip is wildly good for an artificer.

have tried this. your action economy gets really jammed up with regard to your single use of a reaction per turn.

Flash of Genius is the reason I would have a hard time multiclassing before level 7. Potentially five +5s to hand out to the party every day is huge (even if they can't be used on attack rolls like inspo can) .

There were a lot of cool ideas, though I think honestly you are fine just sticking to a full artificer but still using the theme. I mean, who says you can't be building that body for a high power? Maybe it's because of a god you worshipped, a manuscript about a forgotten god, a ruined temple, a vision - whatever. It works fine as is. Maybe you had a bear that died but none of the elders would help, saying that is the circle of life, so you left your forest home in search of a way and found technology and sunk yourself into it. Maybe a hermit who worked on things saved his brain with a simple robot but you end up completing the full much more complex body for it as you hit level 1. I think you can skip the cross-class and pass that stuff and just assume it was from your level 0 time, early childhood. If you feel the need toss some skill points or backgrounds to it, but it seems to me to be JUST as effective as a full artificer. That said, I have had some fun with some really underwhelming (power wise) characters, and as long as your group and DM doesn't mind, it can be a lot of fun :)

​@@unacceptablefailurerate6453 Totally agree with you, Brandon and Lillehei (OP). I generally love druids and rangers though, and will gladly try to combine them with just about anything, hehe. The whole time they were talking about Arty+Druid though, i was thinking to myself "Wood." and "Woodworking." just as Kelly eventually said, but in my mind i was seeing all sorts of crazy Arty stuff, just not using metal to make it... what about shell, crystal, chitin, hide, or other strange/rare/magical/unique materials (non-metal still leaves a lot of things, which sets up a perfect stage for creativity to perform on, imo). :) *** Also the Paladin/Artificer who becomes sort of a Batman/Ironman missionary and/or inquisitor of his church/God makes perfect sense to me (while the Ranger could basically do the same thing from a different flavor/direction perhaps. Druid, cleric & warlock too. Heck, just about any class if you get GM homebrew approval & really customize things).

Shadow monk and inquisitor rogue is more like Batman. The Dark Knight focuses on martial arts, stealth and apprehension as a detective. He does not make his own gear.

It's a shame eldritch smite is locked to warlock slots or this would go kinda crazy

Exactly. If you go Genie/Alchemist then your the Battle Medic with a gigantic room for which you can horde those things that you’ll only use once. Convert pact slots into whatever you think is useful at the start of the day. I’m a fan of the Alchemist but I do have to admit they need more elixir options later in the class.

Ooooh, that's a pretty good idea. Turn those Pact Slots into a Level 2 Healing Word or a Single Target Bless. Very nice and efficient use of your Pact slots. If your an elf, you can probably store up something like 8 or 10 before an adventuring day.

Level 2 Artificer Artillerist for the infusions (basic 4), and the rest of it for Hexblade Warlock, with pact of the Balde and Improved Pact Weapon Eldritch invocation, as fast as you can get it. You can turn a normal gun into a magical one with repeating shot, ignore the loading time (first, as an Artificer, you gain the proficiency for it, second, the infusion create the force bullets into your gun, ready as it can be, so your job is only aim & shot), as, after the infusion count as magical, you can turn it into your pact weapon, so instead of dex you use your Charisma modifier for attack, as a Hexblade warlock, you can use medium armors, which can be improved by another infusion - and we doesn't reached the spell combinations yet!

​@@targetdreamer257or if you play an elf you can use half of your long rest to create more potions

If you're a newly incoming player to an existing campaign, artificer is a great do everything character.

I personally like the build: Start Artificer and then Go Wizard. Then at some point take two more Artificer lvls in Battlesmith. It gives you healing on a Wizard, medium/heavy Armor and Martial weapon proficiency (this last one will likely not be used). Note this is for high lvl play, when you hit 14 lvls in Wizard take Simulacrum and then get to lvl 3 Battlesmith. Use Simulacrum on a ally (preferably a Rogue or Barbarian) then have your steel defender stick close to the Sim so it can use its healing ability on the Sim ( It is a construct and the ability can heal constructs) so now you have a practical way to heal a Simulacrum. Also if you choose a Warlock with decked out EB that could be fun. When you get Wish it would be a good night before cast but this is also lvl19 PC so difficult to do in campaign but definitely good for a high lvl one shot or if your group plays Epic levels.

Yeah, i feel like with the right feats [& sub-class] you can get a little of whatever you want added to your wizard to make it awesome. So you might just need to dip Wiz, and take mostly Arty levels if you want lots of goodies from artificer class features* (technically, the same goes for Arty multi-class with fighter & rogue, but probably cleric, paladin & ranger just as much imo). *As some other comments have pointed out, the Arty has abilities it doesn't get till you take many levels in that class, so my thinking would be talk to your GM to possibly : A. Change your subclass(es) or primary class(es) how you think makes sense for your situation (and/or by way of the Tasha's suggestion of swapping in/out abilities at certain times), thus you can customize/homebrew your wizard/arty multi-class combo [to require fewer levels of artificer maybe] to still get the particular features you want for your theme/build. B. Basically work with your GM (& possibly group as well) to create a new class designed around the particular concept your particular campaign, group, world and theme idea. Either existing features/text from various existing class/sub-class/origin etc [whatever rulebook content you want], totally new content, or a mix. *** The possibilities are practically endless & fun to think about, as this video showcases. I myself already have a few pages of brainstorm/notes related to Artificer content that i would like to use as GM or player.

Those wizard spell slots are fire though.

I am having a lot of fun playing an artificer, and the higher level options look exciting. I want to stay to get to those levels.

Armor Artificer / Bladesinger Wizard is a Gucci tank

@@ericgonzales419 They have zero synergy.

@The Angler how is being able to attack and cast blade Ward every turn with intelligence based attacks while gaining extra ac from dex and int not synergistic? Furthermore, access to shield, absorb elements, and silvery barbs mean a reliable AC of around 28, damage resistance, spell resistance, your attacks impose disadvantage to others than you, and you can have hits reroll. But yeah, no synergy

“Gnome artificer” As a kobold main who loves his kobold artificer please do not say such heresy again

I could see an armorer/merci be hilarious, oh or astral self (now I'm curious how much your astral self differs from your armor) or long death monk/armorer and would this approach darth vader more or less than artificer/sorcerer? I mean we both already know that Thri-Kreen artificer/sorcerer is General Grievous, right?

Good point, you'd have to go Paladin -> Artificer instead of Artificer -> Paladin. It'll be worth talking about this combo in the Paladin video I guess.

@@crazyMLC doesn't matter, you need the multiclass requirements to multiclass OUT of a class too

@@caelandemaziere7939 if you go with Monty and Kelly’s idea of the Armorer Artificer-Paladin, you only need to put your STR at 13 for multiclassing and then can focus on INT and CHA. You can use INT for the Thunder Gauntlets and still smite with those

​@@fightingfalcon777 yeah i know, i was just responding to the guy about something else

@@caelandemaziere7939 ah, I see what you meant in response to that

Both classes use intelligence. No worries about sacrifice of attributes.

Mechanically it works too. But I was looking at it more from a class flavour combination standpoint. I'm currently playing an alchemist-scribe and it's a lot of fun.

They're still great. 1) Guidance 2) Absorb Elements 3) Cure wounds on an ally can be life-saving in a pinch.

A really interesting approach that I have used, is a character that has very limited magical capabilities and uses the mechanical aspects of the Artificer to still be able to cast spells, through their armor (works especially well for the Armorer, obviously). So for example, if they want to cast shield, they send a small jolt of arcane energy into their right arm, this activates a contraption and a physical shield pops out between the sheets of metal. For Cure Wounds, there's a tincture that develops healing qualities if infused with a bit of magical energy, in the glove of the armor. It really plays with the idea of the Artificer being not extremely powerful, but incredibly smart and crafty, which for me, was always the appeal of the class.

That’s a pretty cool idea actually

I'm picture a cowboy carrying his own bar counter to always hide behind it in a shootout.

My immediate thought is to go Artificer/Paladin for the mechanics but flavour your Oath as something more akin to a patron relationship. Maybe it's not quite as cool as the warlock "build my patron a body" story, but you can get something close and emphasize it through RP while maintaining the mechanical advantages and more doable build of the artificer paladin.

Bro I'm picturing someone like Tracer from Overwatch as your build!

@destroyerinazuma96 interesting idea! I've been playing as a primarily melee character (Armorer thunder gauntlets), but I wonder if you could use the Artificer's repeating shot infusion to make a hand crossbow build. Extra attacks + repeating shot definitely fit the Tracer gunplay, and Crossbow Expert and/or Sharpshooter to keep up with damage.

Same with Artificer/Cleric, except that’s a bit more universally useful. Almost regardless of the subclass choice, although Peace is notably powerful, you’ll be giving viable buffs to allies regardless of your Wisdom score. Cleric is easily an A-tier dip, and probably S, for basically every class tbh

I would say peace cleric is better. A D4 to all attacks/ability & saving throws for 10 minutes, prof times per day for the whole party. Imagine the whole party trying to get out of some trap room and everyone needs to make ability checks. Spam some guidance while you're at it.

Thank you so much!

Hey, if you want to push the Artificer/Bard, then you can use Magical Tinkering from Artificer to be either musical beats on loop or sample lyrics to press when you want. Congrats you are now a Street Musician with a Loop Pedal/Sound Board. Add some Infusions, you can get magical common items like Instruments of Illusions or Pipe of Monster to enhance your performances.

What about conflict of attributes? Would intelligence (artificer) need to be sacrificed for dexterity (ranger)?

@@weirdo1060 No, you would still want intelligence to be your highest attribute because the lightning gun on your armor uses that for attack and damage. You just need to have at least a 13 Dex and a 13 Wis. You want to have at least a 14 dex anyway to get the best AC from your armor and help with stealth. I usually have at least a 13 wisdom to help with Wis saves. My current artificer, we used point buy and were allowed to move our racial bonuses around, so I used +2 Int and +1 Dex. Put a 15 in Int, 14 in con, a 13 in Dex, a 13 in Wis, 9 Str, and 8 Cha. That gives starting stats of 17 Int, 14 Con, 14 Dex, 13 Wis, 9 Str, and 8 Cha.

Now take metamagic adept and twin that twice per day ;)

I think they got so caught up with Armorer that they forgot about Alchemist and Artillerist

Basically Simic then...

I kiiiinda dislike how Artificer basically only exists as a Battle Smith in videos like these. Alchemist really helps the flavor and makes it a bit easier to not be MAD in some situations.

Not to mention the support synergy having bardic inspiration and flash of genius

I was just going to say the same thing. With the Infiltrator armor mode, you can be passably stealthy with heavy armor even and at 6th level Artificer (9th level overall) with Boots of Elvenkind Infusion you should actually gain advantage in heavy armor. Take the Goggles of Night infusion and with the Gloomstalker ability you gain Darkvision of 90 feet without it, and *150 feet* if you naturally have it. Take the Sharpshooter feat and you could play the character like if Tony Stark was a Navy Seal.

I agree. I'm about to play an Armorer/Rogue Warforged. Battlesmith and Ranger isn't great, but I think the other Artificer classes work fairly well with Ranger.

Artillerist sounds promising to me if you can be creative with Eldritch Cannon deployment and control spell usage.

This. Also, a generous DM may allow you to "sync" the command you give. Like both pets Dash or both pets Attack.

I feel like it works with fighter, wizard and maybe rogue, but the class is fine without a dip.

Made a armorer hexblade warlock that was pretty op.

It could literally be a reskinned old ones

@@UsernameXOXO Nah, that would be boring. There's so much possibility with this. Plus, the Great Old Ones are chaotic. An AI would be so far lawful Mechanus would blush.

Cannon does not add int bonus but still it is quite potent

@@adamhersi1175 It does add the INT bonus if you use the Eldritch Cannon version as opposed to the flamethrower version.