Yes, you are correct. Thanks. I mistook the spec from the Hidevolution build as regular Tim on the GPU : Thermal Interface MaterialsThermal Grizzly Conductonaut on CPU and GPU (stock TIM)

Both 2023 and 2024 Scar 16/18 models should have liquid metal on both the GPU and CPU. (not to be confused with the G16/G18)

@@niko1even2023 G18 has Liquid Metal from factory on both CPU and GPU ( I opened mine and repasted the Liquid Metal) I have the RTX4080 (175watts) i9 13980HX

2023 and 2024 have both liquid metal.

​@@niko1evenAsus put liquid metal on both the cpu and gpu for regular 2023 Strix G18 4080/4090 also.

Thanks Harry!

How is the performance so far in 1 year of usage, can you share experiences like any issues or how good gaming is in long term.. i have booked strix scar 16 2024 model with 4080, so need more information

@@OnlyVegOptions It's my daily driver that replaced my desktop and previous laptop. I use it for college classes and gaming, and so far it has been an absolute pleasure. The screen is amazingly fast, vibrant, and so lifelike. If feels like the lighting in games just are popping out of the screen. Absolutely fantastic for HDR, it looks miles better than my Odyssey G7. There is blooming, but you can turn of local dimming for casual use in the armory crate app. I've been digging the RTX HDR feature and have been absolutely spoiled by the amazing HDR capabilities. The keyboard and trackpad are comfortable to use for browsing and typing out word docs. The speakers sound great once I did some EQ within the Dolby Atmos app. Battery life isn't fantastic but it lasts around 4-5 hours and I carry around a power bank that acts like a backup battery. It's enough to get me through a day of lectures. I was worried that the plastic frame would make it feel cheap, but the finish on the deck is a sort of soft touch (not rubberized) coating that feels really nice and the chassis itself is pretty rigid (except for the lid, it flexes a bit). The serviceability is pretty good, most parts are accessible. I did replace the liquid metal with PTM7950 and the stock thermal putty with TG-PP10 on the VRMs and VRAM. I undervolted the CPU by 125mV and was able to achieve around 33k on Cinebench R23 with max fans. I was able to undervolt it to -155mV and got around 34.6k but I blue screened often. Still pretty insane results imo. Gpu temps are around 84c and CPU around 90c while gaming. On performance, the GPU wattage was around 135-140w. On turbo, it was around 160-175w. Super heavy loads can max out the throttle limit on both the CPU and GPU (87c on GPU and 95c on CPU), but they did maintain decent clock speeds. Overall, it's a well thought-out laptop that feels like it will stay relevant for a while to come, especially since it has a 4080 mobile which supports frame gen and a 1440p 240hz mini led display that looks unbelievably amazing.

@@niko1even thanks for your detailed analysis on usage so far, really helpful, I have already booked Strix scar 16 2024 , 14900HX, awaiting for it to arrive & share view with all yaa

Thanks, appreciate you watching it 😀👍

Glad you enjoyed it

Yeah, eye watering prices. The MSI Titan 18HX is even worse $5400!!

@@OWNORDISOWNWell the Titan is 4k with 128 GB ram, but why would anyone need 128GB

​@@adrian_kayeI agree, I guess if you are editing a 4k video whilst playing a game and editing a photo. Lol

Thanks, glad you like my channel! Yes, I agree 100% with what you said. I have advised many to skip the 4090 unless you see it on sale. On this machine the 4090 is 30% more expensive for a 10% gain? No thanks!

have the exact same model, got an open box from best buy for 2000, its amazing i tweaked a couple of things in the bios, changed thermal pads and liquid metal for a paste that i use on my laptops even better than the liquid metal. Its a beast ! Also make sure you change the ram for 5600 32gb, dramatically improves system stability where before i was getting hickups while performing benchmarks

@@danieljones2016 where did you buy the ram what’s the name ?

​​@@OWNORDISOWNhello Stephen, your reviews are the ones which i do admire, plus was waiting for your review on Strix Scar 16 2024 model with i9-14900HX, 4080 12 gb, with 32 GB ram, can you advise on this, Have booked it, but need a detailed analysis on its usage pros and cons so far? Can you please let me know it will be helpful in taking my decision ✌️

@@vlone_slatt3504he has not awnsered it's what I want to know

Makes sense to me :)

How is your experience with 13th Gen CPU so far?

I was a fan of the 13th Gen. I'll see what I can do 👍

@@OWNORDISOWN Thank you, appreciate it. I notice currently there isn't not much video on the latest V14 model.

​@@pigtorlaiill have to see if I can get it 👍

Thanks Eric. Yes, after playing around with the laptop more after the stream I decided it deserved to have it's own review. I didn't write a script, nor did I shoot lots of B-roll. That saved a bunch of time. It's about time that Nvidia throws more watts at these GPUs!

@@OWNORDISOWN Impressive if done without script. Indeed. More wattage and more honest naming. AND letting OEM's push laptops. I am quite sure not many of these ultra expensive laptops get sold, so might as well let OEM's sell proper desktop 4090's. Stephen, can you cover nvidia's attitude change since pascal? During pascal nvidia was interested in pushing laptops to the edge of performance. They somewhat kept it up with turing and then kept lowering it with ampere and lovelace.

You're comparing apples to oranges. You can't move a desktop around. The fact these laptops are as (or more) powerful than full-blown Nvidia 3 series desktops is remarkable. Alongside a class leading display instead of a monitor.

@@fmulleady During the gtx 1000 series, the gtx 1080 went upto 200w in a clevo laptop. Literally more than the 180w desktop 1080 and as a result beat it in perf. There were also sli gtx 1080 laptops with an oc'd i7 and that laptop had to be designed to cool 350w+ of power. During rtx 2000 we had 200w rtx 2080/su'er laptops. And, the 200w rtx 6000 quadro, basically a 2080ti with extra cores and 24gb of vram. So no, the comparison is apt given the history of laptop cooling.

Yeah. I would love to try one with that CPU

Thanks Sergei. I do mention the wattage so it's clear it's not the desktop varient....and I think the vast majority of us know that it's not the desktop version in the laptop

@@OWNORDISOWN Pascal and Turing were also different on wattage but those were the same GPUs. Please don't let Nvidia get away with this deceptive naming.

​@@OWNORDISOWNActually you'd be surprised how many people still associate and will do because laptop and desktop gpu's use the same moniker. The tdp will still not clear up the confusion.

It's a shame we can no longer get mxm cards. This is what laptops should be doing, and make them affordable so we can swap out a GPU like we do on desktops. I remember Hidevolution was going to charge me $2k for an Rtx 2080 and take out my 1080. Still, my Clevo is still rocking it. It's a workhorse for sure.

@@OWNORDISOWN agree on every word, Steven.

Hi, first, I would like to thank you for watching my video. For a couple of years I used the Legion 5 pro and then a legion 7. I loved both, although the track pads rattled and actually failed on the 5 pro. But Lenovo has excellent warranty, they sent a tech to my house and fixed it. Even after it expires it is cheap to do an extended warranty so that alone is worth a lot in my opinion. I've not had to deal with Asus on any laptop repairs, I only owned one for any period of time and didn't have any issues. In testing I have had issues with their fans clicking but this scar 18 was flawless. When I had the 16" 16x10 Legion panel I was singing it's praises. They were the first with this aspect ratio and I loved it. I now have a 17" 16x10 panel on my Tracer Vii and I must admit I would not go back to 16", and to be honest I have tied three 18" 16x10 panels and I really like the size. This one on the Asus Strix Scar 18 I would say is the best. The one on the Titan 18HX which I have just tested was nice, it has a higher resolution but if gaming is your focus I prefer this 240Hz over the 120 Hz on that. So yeah, i do like the 18" better than the 16". The difference in weight is negligible. Half pound at most, plus Legion always use a larger power brick so that will offset that somewhat. At just over 6.5 lbs the Asus is very portable for its size. I thought the Webcam was 1080p and the mic was fine when I tested it in my stream. I thought it was fine. Lenovo usually has better cameras and mics though, but you can always buy an external one if you find it lacking. In sure it will be just as good in zoom or teams. Looking at the pricing. The Legion is listed at $3640, so $260 lower than the Asus. Plus Lenovo has coupons for students, military etc. Hidevolution will give you $50 off if you mention my channel (ask Ted) , or if you can find it at Gentechpc there is no sales tax if you don't live in California (talk with Ken). They also often have a 3% code for cash purchases. One concern I have on the Legion is the longevity of the paste. I had to repaste my Legion 7 and I know others had too within a year. The build quality on the Asus is not as nice as the Lenovo, but there weren't any creaks or flex and the chassis was very cool to the touch. More so than any legion I have used.

Thanks for such detailed comparison And regarding coil whine, I feel that it happen with Asus much more often than with Lenovo. Is your scar 18 affected by it much?

​@@alexs1852you are welcome. No, this unit had no coil wine or any issues at all, apart from that stuttering in Hogwarts which is common with these 32 thread CPUs . I liked how easy it was to change settings in there software too, all I one place. Legion is the same but MSI has it all over the place.

@@OWNORDISOWNThanks so much for your thorough explanation, I really appreciate it. From what I've seen across different manufacturers, I realize there isn't a perfect laptop. However, the display panel on the Scar 18 is really pushing me in that direction, even though I might need to add a skin on the whole laptop to make it look a bit more professional for meetings. Thanks again, and I'm looking forward to your next videos!

​@@boxheadsagaThanks! My buddy Chris (he was on the livestream) runs m2skins, he might be able to help you out on a skin.

Thanks Matej :) Yes, this and the crazy expensive Titan 18 HX are too much for me. Even if I had the money I would rather go on a nice holiday!

I liked it too. Was very impressed how cool the chassis was. No sweaty palms on this one 👍

get the strix g18 with a 4080 and put in 32gb ddr5600 ram and your set, can get an open box for 2g at best buy

This laptop is amazing for its size and weight. Runs 1440p games in max settings with the RTX4090 mobile graphics. If money is an issue and you can wait one more year then I would wait till 2025 when the RTX 4090 mobile chips will be out. The screen is amazing and looks almost as good as my OLED tv.

Buy this when they release the 50 series laptops b/c the price will be discounted

no rubberized coating. I owned the 4080 model.

No rubberized coating. I have the 4090 model

​@@danieljones2016your usage view so far with your model

I was impressed with the cooling for sure 👍

More moving parts, more chances for stuff to break

more moving parts = 3 fans? really lol@@nellatl

Yeah, i know what you mean. I think manufacturers should make laptops more upgradable and have affordable mxm GPUs and socketed CPUs, or even a CPU that can sit on a PCB that we can swap in and out. But they must make heaps of profits on these systems. I know that system integrators like Hidevolution don't make too much, so it's all on the OEM.

I suspect they will stick with the 16"and 18"

Yeah, I'm not a fan of frame generation either. Prices on some of these laptops is getting out of hand. I just reviewed the MSI Titan 18HX and it cost $5400!! Lol

What undervolt do you have? That is low score though. Is it thermally throttling? How many watts is it pulling?

I'm being sent one to review. Supposed to fit upto a 21" machine. Looks good. Stay tuned.

​@@OWNORDISOWNwaiting for this cooling pad review

Lol, yeah, i think things have gotten out of hand. Wait till you see what the MSI Titan 18 HX costs!

@@OWNORDISOWN you eluded to it being over $5K, which is ridiculous! This isn't Apple! Lol!

​@@cueball981yeah, $5400. They won't sell many of those. It is starting to get me mad how expensive things are now. Took the kids to Five Guys, a fast food burger place. It's $17 for burger and fries. I could go to a bar for that and even grab a beer!

@@OWNORDISOWN Yup! I live in Phoenix, AZ. We have 5 Guys here too, but I'd much prefer spending $2-3 more going to my local burger and brew joint, which serves the best burgers in the state, IMHO. I'd much rather put $5k into a KILLER desktop than a laptop.

@@cueball981that’s true at a certain price point $4500 plus laptops stop becoming worth it might as well just build a desktop or pre build $5000 for a laptop is insane 😂

Yes indeed, however the winner was this Asus... I tried the imon tweak on the MSI and it wouldn't boot with the usual slope of 50 and offset of- 31999. I also also undervolted it and unfortunately it was till being thermally and power limit throttled. The GPU wasn't far off this one though

Lol, the MSI Titan 18 HX is actually half the price of your car 🤣

😮

I will be mentioning them both in the Titan review but the Asus was faster. The Titan's 14900HX in CB R23 was running 126W to 140W and 95 deg C. The Asus was 145w to 172W and 93 deg C. The Titan was thermally throttling and power limit throttling. I did try a - 80mv I on the Titan and didn't see an improvement in its score, so I also tried the Imon tweak and it would not boot with the usual 50 slope and - 31999 offset. I tried a lower level but it was still throttling. The GPU performance was similar, although I would say it was slightly worse. The screen on the Titan seemed brighter to me but both are bright. Very bright. But the 120Hz on the Titan meant there was ghosting 8n my test, although I think you need ninja eyes to see it game play. There is no Gsync on the Titan, although I thought it was OK as tearing was concerned. Battery life, Titan got 3 hours 40 minutes, so 2 hours less than this Asus. Build quality on the Titan is much better but fan noise is much more. Speakers about the same. Webcam was much worse on the Titan., as was the mic. The Titan does have 3 m.2 slots and two of mine were in Raid. For the price difference I would definitely get the Asus.

@@OWNORDISOWN awesome this definitely helped me a lot. I was contemplating which one to get.

@@OWNORDISOWN at first I wanted to get the MSI for the Quality build. Do you think getting the Scar18 in 4090 is better than the 4080?

​@@LetMeCookDotathere is a 10% performance difference between the 4090 and the 4080 yet there is a great price difference between them. The 4080 is best value option and is the one I would get. Bare in mind that most game snow how DLSS or FSR and even more now have some kind of frame generation so that 4080 won't be holding you back for a long time.

​@@OWNORDISOWNlovely, i believe Strix Scar 16 2024 with i9-14900HX , rtx 4080 will be still providing better thermals and performance, Can you please create a overclocking and undervolting video for this model & if we get good performance boost

Certainly for the price, I agree 👍

Where ? 2023 is in stock ? Can you give me more details, i am interested

​@@OnlyVegOptionsbought it in India from the local Asus showroom .

@@amankumar-ft2ck can you provide pricing in INR?

Also which state?

​@@OnlyVegOptions In bihar ( Patna). I paid about 2 lakh 55 thousand.

I'm inclined to agree. I certainly can't afford one.

Yeah, i agree. My 12800HX with 8 cores was fine. We don't need 16. Waste of time for gaming.

Any way we can stop E cores being utilized when we need .?

@@OnlyVegOptions yes, if have Asus laptop, you can disable e-cores

@@blondegirl7240 yes, but do they completely stop? I think no, yes I did see option in Armoury Carate

@@OnlyVegOptions based on reviews I can, yes it does stop them

My Clevo, which is a 17" is actually about twice as thick and weighs 11 lbs. Lol

Don't know. Is yours with an undervolt?

You might b testing at stock , try undervolting and then check performance benchmarks

Wow. That 9i is a nice machine though.

Why what happened??? What's wrong with 9i

Yeah? Mine must suck then, lol!!

@@OWNORDISOWN Yes...Yours power limit throttling, or thermal throttling))) Mine without limits. 340 watts+)))in cinebench r24

​@@vitalymichailov387I'll have to take a look at it. It's been a while since I used my desktop, perhaps I have it set to limit the temperature in the Bios.

Lol, nearly as cheap as that Cyber truck phone!!

I did do a latencymon test whist using Traktor

Which softwares do you look specifically???

Thanks!

Yes. I didn't like the translucent parts at all. Made it look cheap.