Aw Snap! Vanquish VS4-10 Phoenix Portal Crawls Worse Now!

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We're now familiar with the Vanquish Products VS4-10 Phoenix Portal 1/10 RC Rock Crawler. In the review, this impressive work of engineering goodness managed to conquer 4 of the 6 test problems. During the build, we used the wider wheel adapters on the front and the narrow adapters on the rear. The thinking was this may have been a mistake!
So, today we've swapped out the wider adapters in the front for the narrow ones. Now front and rear of the vehicle have the same, more narrow track. Can the Phoenix finish all 6 problems now?
Let's test!
In this series:
Part 1 - Introducing the VS4-10: • Let's Test! Vanquish P...
Part 2 - I Made It Worse: • Aw Snap! Vanquish VS4-... (this video)
Part 3 - Fixing the Track: • Better Crawling for $0...
See our write-up for more detail: rc-tnt.com/rc-crawler-reviews...
In Part 3 we'll look at wider track in both front and rear. Will the VS4-10 find redemption with the bigger gap? I can't wait to see how it goes, personally! I really want to see this thing go well!
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Chapters:
0:00 Narrow & Wide Track
0:34 Phoenix VS4-10 Adapters
1:55 6-Problem Test
15:03 Test Debrief
16:06 Next Time
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@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

This is Part 2. It may not be the most elegant of driving examples on this channel, but as a test of Before and After, consistency is what matters. Don't miss Part 3 where we test wider track front and rear with clear results! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j9-UZ7Oh3LiaZ6s.html

@blackdogrcracing1127 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for making this vid! Offset from panhard had me thinking I assembled wrong. Set mine wide all 4.

@RCTNT Жыл бұрын

I think i had best results using narrow, but it's been a while. I did have a follow up video it might be worth checking out if you're still tuning yours. They're good once they're sorted out!

@shoky11TV 2 жыл бұрын

It's also obvious that it suffers from a high CG....failing to right itself is evidence of this. Perhaps a droop setup and/or taller shock towers would eliminate a few of it's short comings. I'd go for the low hanging fruit and try wider 4.75's with metal bead locks to start with. Great investigative series this will be and will no doubt help out people purchasing this rig, who would have otherwise been puzzled as to it's lack of climbing prowess. Great work as always Craig - sort this rig!! haha

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Only changed the track! That's all! The tyres could be better, yes, but track change alone made it worse. Next time, I'll go the other way - wide at each end. It'll be an interesting follow-up to this one!

@Warby1 2 жыл бұрын

From what I see, It seems to be held back by its tyres. Lacking traction and maybe a bit too small.

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

They're a little hard around the edges. Agreed! We can address that, I think!

@scalebuildersguild 2 жыл бұрын

@@RCTNT Definitely the one thing that will change your mind on this truck! I wish that Vanquish stopped including them actually! Great content here, love your repeatable course, I'm hooked!

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I'm a fan of your work also. I'll be playing with this rig in the new year and we'll see where we get with it. Plenty of potential, tires are the next stop. Cheers

@TonysRcTechboom 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely fantastic information and demonstration mate 👍 its a great Crawler, they are testing rocks to be fare on the fella 😁 either way a awesome video my friend 👍 🇦🇺🇬🇧🇦🇺🇬🇧👍

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

You bet, they're intentionally challenging. But the proverbial teacher is hardest on the best students, as the potential is waiting to be realised. We'll get there!

@rcflashcars 2 жыл бұрын

cool vid! big like!!👍👍👍

@ScaleDude78 2 жыл бұрын

You’re “freshly built” experience matches mine and a lot of others, confused. Time to make some changes even though it doesnt make sense why you should have to.

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

We shall see! I think it'll get there - and without spending another cent on it. Continue testing!

@madsrcbuggy 2 жыл бұрын

I like how you're including your old doggy in the videos, very nice! Yeah, that car seems clumsy and toy-like on your course, it's kind of interesting. I wasn't just about to buy one, but when I saw the videos I did think it was fantastic! I'll see if I can watch a couple other videos with it, see if I can get some sort of fair impression of it. So different, this crawling part of the hobby, from buggies, it's good fun! Have a good one there, mate!

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I've got a follow up coming tomorrow that'll balance out the experience with it so far. And buggies! Man am I enjoying them right now! That's a whole different set of videos but I'm getting experience first before I take it to the camera. Super fun though!

@CornholioMcGeeRC 2 жыл бұрын

You gotta change the tires man I’m no expert like you but I put a set of jconcepts tusks on mine and it made a whole new truck out of it. Love your videos!!! 👍

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I think you're right (and I'm no expert either, just a sucker for crawlers) - tire modification coming soon. I've got a few new sets of tires to add to the testing we did previously, too. Hopefully will get to that soon! Cheers

@josepharrington8080 Жыл бұрын

Would like to see a review on a Phoenix straight axle and see it conquer all 6 problems 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💯👍🏿

@RCTNT Жыл бұрын

Heh, that might happen. I have serious doubts about it beating problem 4 at least, but it's possible. We'll see!

@rcwhore6548 2 жыл бұрын

see, when you finally found the line,.. the Phoenix made it

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Persistence pays! Always more to improve :)

@jrgilbert79 3 ай бұрын

Brotato the F10 curry axels are longer in the front by 3ish mm than the rear...so if you want the tire width the same the closest you can get is 12 mm hubs front 15 mm hubs rear.

@RCTNT 3 ай бұрын

Handy, thanks for that 🙏

@Andy_Yates 2 жыл бұрын

Oh I could feel that frustration. I start breathing like that and I need to step away and take a break. I'm sure you'll get this thing dialed in. You probably already have and we have to wait for the next videos :). I appreciate that you're working to make the supplied parts work well (like you did before with the other trucks' supplied tires). Like others have said, it feels like a combination of the cg and foams/tires are holding this truck back for your course. Really curious what a decent set of tires with some aluminum or steel beadlocks would do for the Phoenix, but we'll see how the track width changes its performance! 👍 At least your paint job still looks cool underneath the lexan 😅

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Heh, yes I'm grateful for that! Lexan is good like that! And we'll get this thing dialled in, for sure. I won't spend money on it yet. Got a few things to try first!

@stevewest7260 2 жыл бұрын

I could feel your frustration, when your expectations are high and you get let down. I'd quit beating up that body and concentrate on making a good trail rig.

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Steve, that sounds wise. But I want to see this thing crawl better, so that's what I'll work at. Interesting vehicle, to say the least! Cheers

@shaynejenkins446 2 жыл бұрын

narrowing or widening isn't going to help it rock crawl like you want. its sold as a trial truck, so your gonna need to do the regular mods to bring the cog down. just like a trx4 or an axial scx

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

We'll see :) Next video drops tonight. I agree with you in part, about the COG bit. I've been through this with many trucks before over many years and I like to start with just the machine itself, before any money is spent. But sold as a trail truck? This design screams rock crawler: solid, locked, live axles. Single speed. Low gearing. Overdrive. DIG. These are all rock crawling-biased elements. A trail truck might have IFS at least, unlocked axles, two speed transmission, or at least higher gearing, etc. So, the plan is to see how far we get with configuration first. What's there to lose with experimenting? Thanks for tagging along, I'm actually excited to see how far we get with it before another dollar is spent. Cheers!

@danielkonrad1444 2 жыл бұрын

What do you expect from a rig with 12.3 wheelbase on high, round Rocks. It is going to hang itself up on the Belly. First thing you should do, get rid of the crappy tires.

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Tires are next, you bet. If you look through the scores of vehicles we've tested on these same problems this year, you may have shared my expectation for better performance. I very much agree, the tires are poor! Good call - that's what we'll play with next, in January. Thanks for watching!

@jeffsrcchannel2191 2 жыл бұрын

Ughhh unreal, says it all. Still, it looks awesome on the trail I'll bet :)

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Hm, I dunno. Well, yes - it'll *look* amazing on the trail. But performance? Unsure as yet: locked, live axles. Single speed gearbox. Low gearing. Overdrive. Dunno, it might be. I'll get to that, but first, we're gonna make this thing crawl better! Next video on it drops in 2 hours from right now, then in January we'll get to doing something about those tires! See you there :D

@jeffsrcchannel2191 2 жыл бұрын

@@RCTNT Heavy beadlocks all around and Hyrax tires, go time :) (fingers crossed for it)

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffsrcchannel2191 lol maybe at some point. First I'll get as much performance from it as possible for $0 :)

@jeffsrcchannel2191 2 жыл бұрын

@@RCTNT 😁

@royhopkins6197 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe you should try some different tires...or try it with 0 percent overdrive if possible

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Tires, yes. It needs the change. Or fix. Overdrive? I think it's probably good at 6%, honestly. I'll keep that up my sleeve for future work if the other $0 mods don't help, but I'm still confident we'll get all 6 out. Just gonna take some work!

@tonyvarela904 2 жыл бұрын

The stock wheels and tires are no good . Throw some method 105's with hyrax and that thing will climb everything

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Tony, thanks for the idea. I made a video about it recently: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qKqpiZdyxK_NeIU.html Not Hyrax, it's true, but definitely was interesting! I'll get bigger 1.9s on it soon out of interest. Cheers

@VermontScaleCustoms 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe cut your foams or use softer ones. The tires seem like they are causing this by not conforming to the surface and just letting go when they start to get traction. Larger diameter isn't always an answer if the tire can't function like it's supposed to. If they're too firm and can't compress to actually use the traction, that's what's happening. That thing should hold on just fine with good rubber.

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. That won't be next video but tire modification is Coming Soon (TM). Thanks for the thoughts, I think you're spot on here.

@danweiss4928 2 жыл бұрын

Watching in a video most looks like it could benefit from 10 mm longer shocks. Just before it flips when it hits the center pan the tires are trying to reach out. That gets a little momentum and just flips quick. I would say it was a very good test. Because it really showed some of its shortcomings. Well just like all rc truck things can be worked out by spending money on aftermarket parts. Ouch!!!

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Stay tuned, next video we get closer to solving things, specifically without spending money!

@modzilla74 2 жыл бұрын

Seems like the tires aren't grippy enuf and it looks like it could use softer inserts.

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

You're not wrong! We'll look at that once we have the track sorted. Thanks for your thoughts, you're on the money, I reckon.

@marleybrown4554 2 жыл бұрын

Try softening the tires up with wd40 if u have any laying around

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, yep, always have wd40 here. But I'll be grooving these rather than chemically altering them. We'll see how that goes first. Thanks for the idea, it might be a good backup plan.

@YoShImUrA53 2 жыл бұрын

That was... frustrating, to say the least. I was totally sharing your groaning and moaning as you struggled on each part. I'm also 100% with you on wanting this to work, for all the great technical features it has. It should perform better than this... yet it struggles on every part, and I can't really point my finger to one clear single issue, from where I'm standing. To try to lower that CoG, I'd say, maybe remove the overdrive servo and lock it on 6,5%? I really think removing at least one of the tranny's servos can really make a difference for pure performance and the CoG. But then again, I think the icing on the cake of this rig is just being able to switch on that tranny... so I'd be a bit baffled too. I sincerely hope the wider rear and/or an alternative set of tires (I'd start with Element's General Grabbers to get a known, great performer you already have and can easily test) bring it back to where we all hoped it should be. Impatient for the next video. This series has left more than one of us on a cliffhanger! :D PS: that Problem 5 music made me think of a more a more determined and hopeful mood of things to come... (sadly wasn't the case) The music reminded me a lot of Tangerine Dream's music for the movie Risky Business.

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks and yes, agreed on several points there. Fwiw, I have removed the front servo and locked it at 6% already. Haven't got to mentioning it yet in the videos as I'm still working my way over the rig. But rest assured, we'll make progress on this thing. Just gonna take some experimentation to get there!

@666impreza666 2 жыл бұрын

Just get the element.. “problem (s)” solved… 🤣🤣

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Lol, correct, but NO! Performance or bust!

@aalmuhairi 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry to what i will be saying . BUt i was so frusttrated with your driving it, the only thing i learned is your not given it its right time and not angeling it to its correct point to hook. your rushing it and pushing too fast. i have one and found it likes slow momentom crawle. am using both front and back wider, added Hyrax tires and brass. its beating all coures i been too.

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

I take your point, but I tried slow (see previous video - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/erRhjNad2pm8o58.html). The big difference between our experiences may well be the brass and Hyrax you're running. Try the stock wheels and tires on the same problems you're currently conquering and I suspect you'll find that 'slow' is just not effective with this setup. (If it helps to know, I've got a follow up video coming with wide track front and rear and from there I think we will have more in common!) Thank you for your thoughts here :) Glad you're enjoying yours!

@aalmuhairi 2 жыл бұрын

@@RCTNT Totally agree, stock tires are ment for trail. your problems are way hard on them. being skinny. but keen to see you go through upgrades and how they work out in your problems. wish i had my own backyard coures.

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

@@aalmuhairi the problems need to be hard so that we can get useful comparison between vehicles. I've put maybe 30 different vehicles over it in 2021 and that gives an idea of relative capability, which is useful to those of us evaluating which crawlers to consider for builds, comps, drives, etc. We'll see how far we can get the VS4-10 without spending money on it first. Still some things to try yet! Thanks for your thoughts :)

@PowerhouseOffroad 2 жыл бұрын

Gunning it over a couple of rocks is no test of a truck's capabilities. This was painful to watch. Might want to pay a visit to westdesertwheeler's channel and pick up a few pointers. Uggggh.

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Heh, it was painful to drive, too, I can tell you! If you missed it, I discuss this in part 1 about slow always being preferable to fast, until it isn't. We also had a better time of it in part 3, which published about 20 hours ago. Thanks for dropping by, I hope none of us has to endure such heavy driving again! The VS4-10 body won't take a lot of punishment like that, to be sure. Cheers.

@rcwhore6548 2 жыл бұрын

its your driving, its obvious, sorry truth hurts

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Well yes, it's always my driving! And since I'm consistent - even if I was terrible - it means any comparisons are of a higher quality. Not scientific levels of testing, but enough to be useful. You get the idea. Thanks for watching!