Bach's BWV 77 Cantata: Stunningly Complicated Counterpoint (Du sollt Gott, deinen Herren, lieben)

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Richard Atkinson

Richard Atkinson

3 жыл бұрын

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Richard Atkinson analyzes the stunningly complicated counterpoint in the opening chorus of J. S. Bach's BWV 77 cantata, "Du sollt Gott, deinen Herren, lieben". This is a fair use educational commentary that uses excerpts from the following recordings/performances:
BWV 77 (Cantata): Pieter Jan Leusink, Holland Boys Choir/Netherlands Bach Collegium
Dies sind die heiligen zehn Gebot (Melody): Vox Luminis, Lionel Meunier
BWV 298 (Chorale Harmonization): Chamber Choir of Europe, Nicol Matt & Chamber Ensemble of Europe
BWV 4 (Cantata): Konrad Junghänel, Cantus Cölln
BWV 635: (from Orgelbüchlein): Wolfgang Zerer, organ
BWV 678 and 679 (from Clavier-Übung III): Kay Johannsen, organ

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@Sebster85
@Sebster85 3 жыл бұрын
This Bach guy has a future in the music business.
@jimfowler5930
@jimfowler5930 3 жыл бұрын
Yes indeed, only if history DOES repeat itself!!!!
@johncampbell3940
@johncampbell3940 3 жыл бұрын
Or a past.
@marckg6950
@marckg6950 3 жыл бұрын
Does he need a manager?
@danbrooks4270
@danbrooks4270 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah he's pretty good.
@Will_Holmes
@Will_Holmes 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe.
@doricdream498
@doricdream498 3 жыл бұрын
as a cellist I greatly appreciate bach's superb basso continuo writing. even though I've had the pleasure of playing some truly exceptional symphonic works in my university's orchestra, some of the most thrilling passages I've ever played are bach's athletic and engaging basslines!
@amerrylittlemonarch
@amerrylittlemonarch 2 жыл бұрын
If you like Bach's continuo, you'll REALLY like Zelenka's.
@henrykwieniawski7233
@henrykwieniawski7233 Жыл бұрын
@@amerrylittlemonarch based Zelenka listener
@JuletzMusic
@JuletzMusic 3 жыл бұрын
- So, how many counterpoints do you want to use in your cantata? - Bach: YES
@MasonIshida
@MasonIshida 3 жыл бұрын
Would you ever consider doing an analysis of the art of fugue?
@stufarnham
@stufarnham 3 жыл бұрын
I can’t say enough good things about how you present your subject matter. I have no musical training, can’t read music and know no music theory. Yet your technique of highlighting the various canonic patterns help me isolate them sonically and recognize their patterns in the score, enriching my understanding and appreciation of the complexities of this amazing work. I also think that the enhancement of my listening abilities will carry over when I listen to Bach’s other contrapuntal work. I came to Bach late in lie (I am now almost 70), and his work,me specially his choral and keyboard works, are an obsession. I offer profound thanks for what you have shared here. I just found your channel and look forward to exploring it further. Stu
@thegolgatha5337
@thegolgatha5337 3 жыл бұрын
Dear Stu, as you can see : It‘s never too late...you love it there, I love it here, and this connects us all, regardless of our origin, age and nationality...
@brettaspivey
@brettaspivey 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think BWV 140 takes the cake for ultimate counterpoint, I hope you analyze it some day
@adriepram
@adriepram 3 жыл бұрын
Bach. 300 years later and still make your brain explodes 🤯
@gwalla
@gwalla 3 жыл бұрын
"Now listen to the entire chorus without interruption" *two unskippable ads play*
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 3 жыл бұрын
They are skippable if you have an ad blocker...
@luisfernandotapia451
@luisfernandotapia451 3 жыл бұрын
@@Richard.Atkinson Or pay for YT premium
@frenchimp
@frenchimp 3 жыл бұрын
Your aside about BWV 4 is illuminating. I had never noted that this chorus had different tonalities simultaneously. Bach had his own notion of harmony, it would seem.
@johnchessant3012
@johnchessant3012 3 жыл бұрын
That was fun! It's amazing what Bach was able to do with such simple subjects. Also, nice to see that Bach is the ultimate dad. :D
@TheTrueAltoClef
@TheTrueAltoClef 3 жыл бұрын
Such a wholesome anecdote from CPE
@lazarus_alonsius
@lazarus_alonsius 3 жыл бұрын
TRUTH I was like “awww Bach getting excited”
@Luboman411
@Luboman411 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know why, but I also imagined J.S. Bach with a large German pint of beer as he nudged his son with a jolly red face. LOL. Someone who took life too seriously did NOT write music this incredibly emotional. He had to be in tune with his emotions, including sheer pleasure and joy, to write music of this sort.
@allistermendez8085
@allistermendez8085 3 жыл бұрын
These analysis you do be pure heat 😳
@JuanAndresPalacios
@JuanAndresPalacios 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! I love your analysis. You have a big fan in Bolivia.
@RobertB4170
@RobertB4170 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful. Superb and insightful. I so love the complexity of the counterpoint and the mind behind it. Thank you for your deconstruction and analysis that lets me inside this work.
@pauls.9228
@pauls.9228 3 жыл бұрын
Astonishing music, and an astonishing analysis! Thank you, Richard, for another stimulating experience.
@99jdave99
@99jdave99 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I really appreciate you giving a background to the hymn itself and Bach's previous experimentation with the source; it really added to my appreciation of the video and of the music itself imo.
@carlovazquez1586
@carlovazquez1586 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I get quite happy each time I see a new video of yours
@aloisbreu6063
@aloisbreu6063 3 жыл бұрын
JSB, you drive me mad (in a way I enjoy, of course). Thanks Mr. Atkinson, it´s so interesting to experience the background why JSB drives me mad ;)
@thegolgatha5337
@thegolgatha5337 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, absolutely right. Der macht einen positiv wahnsinnig. Mit 300 Jahre alter Musik, unfassbar.
@winterdesert1
@winterdesert1 3 жыл бұрын
Your analysis is amazing as always and makes Bach's music seem even more astounding. For me that repeated "background counterpoint" that you explain at 6:48 ties the entire piece together even though it disappears just before the end. As soon as I hear a baroque piece I can almost immediately tell it is Bach just from the rhythmic structure and rhythmic complexity.
@sneddypie
@sneddypie 3 жыл бұрын
gosh i gotta listen to more bach. you indeed did astonish me with this
@jimfowler5930
@jimfowler5930 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful presentation RA!! Thank you for blessing us with this!
@lookingfororion2785
@lookingfororion2785 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating analysis, man. I aught to listen to more Bach. I must confess, however, that every time I see you upload I'm hoping that it'll be a video on Mahler's most badass moments. Any news on that front?
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 3 жыл бұрын
That video is going to take forever to make. I already have a lot of it planned out in my head, but it's not going to be one of the next ones. Be patient!
@Quotenwagnerianer
@Quotenwagnerianer 3 жыл бұрын
There is a danger of listening to too much Bach: You might actually drift into a phase were all music except other baroque music sound terribly conceited. I'm a late romantic, classic modernism kind of guy. Wagner's chromatism is my lifeblood.I thrive on excessive writing. Or rather I used to. Then I listened to ALL of Bach within a year. And now stuff like Shostakovich or Strauss just sounds like a bloated mess to me and I prefer to listen to some Telemann or Handel instead. ;)
@zoltankovacs385
@zoltankovacs385 3 жыл бұрын
@@Quotenwagnerianer :) I know the feeling! Exactly the same with me, seems like this is the top of the foodchain in music! :)
@juanferestrada
@juanferestrada 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 🙏🏻 You know how sometimes being able to experience music of such profundity just makes you feel so grateful and happy to be alive... Your videos always leave me feeling that way
@CameronGuarino
@CameronGuarino 3 жыл бұрын
i think it’s fair to say that Bach was one of the top ten smartest people EVER, at least that were recorded
@authenticmusic4815
@authenticmusic4815 3 жыл бұрын
@@roaschmo A few people. Very few
@amerrylittlemonarch
@amerrylittlemonarch 3 жыл бұрын
@@authenticmusic4815 I would say no one. Bach’s IQ relative to his profession and in general was unmatchable. Even William James Sidis can’t compare to Bach’s sheer intelligence. I SERIOUSLY doubt that online IQ estimates are correct for historical figures because: 1. The people usually weren’t alive to take a test. 2. IQ doesn’t even measure actual intelligence, just logical capacity (even though Bach was unparalleled in that regard too).
@kaworu2991
@kaworu2991 3 жыл бұрын
been waiting for this
@sirya-bookie9495
@sirya-bookie9495 3 жыл бұрын
Your videos open me up to a whole new world of Bach! Thank you so much for these amazing Analysis videos!
@davidecarlassara8525
@davidecarlassara8525 3 жыл бұрын
I love your work Richard! Would you maybe consider covering some movements of the b minor mass?
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to do the whole thing.
@davidecarlassara8525
@davidecarlassara8525 3 жыл бұрын
@@Richard.Atkinson can't wait!!!
@davidbudo5551
@davidbudo5551 3 жыл бұрын
I never learned the language of music, but I love Bach and Beethoven. The two composers comprise 95% of all music I listen to. I love your videos, despite not usually understanding what you're referring to when it comes to the technical musical discussion. Despite my lack of knowledge, I still feel that after watching your videos, I walk away with a slightly increased understanding of what I'm hearing when I listen to their music. Have you ever thought of doing a video where you breakdown what all of the terms mean? I think you'd be the man for the job. Thank you and keep up the incredible work.
@GustavMartling
@GustavMartling 3 жыл бұрын
Inside The Score on youtube has a great video explaining fugues
@shnimmuc
@shnimmuc 3 жыл бұрын
Richard, wonderful breakdown of this complicated chorus. The technical aspects and Bach`s achievement are wondrous. However, this is the first time I have felt I am listening to a puzzle and not music. I listened 5 times and still felt the same way. The problem is mine I`m sure.
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 3 жыл бұрын
It's both!
@davidbudo5551
@davidbudo5551 3 жыл бұрын
That's actually the reason people with high IQ's enjoy 17th to 19th century music: it's complexity. It gives the brain something to enjoy and explore, with each exploration revealing new elements you had not discovered before. Almost like a problem that takes a long time to solve, thus retaining its novelty for greater periods of time.
@shnimmuc
@shnimmuc 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidbudo5551 I agree with you totally. However, in my opinion this particular work sounds to me labored. Look at the difference in a similar musical puzzle cantata 80.
@sameash3153
@sameash3153 3 жыл бұрын
@@shnimmuc I would recommend listening to Bach's other settings of dieses sind die zehn heilgen gebot for organ, they are both perplexing and beautiful.
@shnimmuc
@shnimmuc 3 жыл бұрын
@@sameash3153 I know them and like them.
@UMVELINQANGI
@UMVELINQANGI 3 жыл бұрын
What an awesome movement, and the analysis wasn't half bad either! Well done, sir. Very insightful commentary.
@MrKurtank
@MrKurtank 3 жыл бұрын
Superb
@charlesrivera9877
@charlesrivera9877 3 жыл бұрын
this is the content we all need.
@Naomishaham1
@Naomishaham1 3 жыл бұрын
Mind blown... Thank you so much!! Every video extremely well made, clear and insightful!
@MitchBoucherComposer
@MitchBoucherComposer 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for such a great presentation! Using Leusink's recording was a great idea; him and his forces were my first introduction to Bach's cantatas and their work is excellent.
@magnus3716
@magnus3716 3 жыл бұрын
I kinda didn't get what you were saying but I paid attention. However, when I listened to the entire thing at the end, I was blown away with how everything you were explaining suddenly made sense, especially at the very end when he just pulls it all together! Brilliant and mind blowing!
@thomasdavis8117
@thomasdavis8117 3 жыл бұрын
Could you perhaps in the future use versions of the score with the modern clefs for the voices? I think it would help people's comprehension (certainly it would help mine).
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I thought about using the other one on IMSLP but I didn’t like how it looked for some reason... I guess your reason is better than mine!
@thegolgatha5337
@thegolgatha5337 3 жыл бұрын
Dear Richard, thanks for this absolutely inspiring analysis. And this mixolydian „finish“ drives me crazy, hearing it again, again and again.
@ironmaz1
@ironmaz1 3 жыл бұрын
Can't believe I have been following you for 3 years! I think I started watching when you uploaded BWV 80 and have been a fan ever since :). Im watching this a second time btw P.S. for anyone interested the sketch at 1:35 is by Rembrandt
@einarkristjansson6812
@einarkristjansson6812 3 жыл бұрын
Very educating. Thank you. Einar. Iceland
@tamed4171
@tamed4171 3 жыл бұрын
Although you have said you were agnostic in the past (if I am remembering correctly) your understanding and research into the religious background of this cantata is very respectful
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 3 жыл бұрын
I suppose I'm agnostic in the same way almost everyone is (we don't know for sure). But I'm also an atheist (I don't believe in gods), and also an anti-theist (I oppose the belief in gods and I think such belief is a negative force in the world). However, I grew up very religious, so I know the stories well!
@davidbudo5551
@davidbudo5551 3 жыл бұрын
@@Richard.Atkinson, I used to think the same way, until I began studying evolution. The evidence shows that not only are religious beliefs foundational to our genetic code, but people who believe in God actually have more stable genomes with lower levels of detrimental genetic mutations. This doesn't mean I believe there is a God, because my physics background won't let me lie to myself. However, I no longer see *certain* religions as more harm than good. In fact, without religion and belief in God, humanity would not have progressed as far as it did. Crazy stuff.
@pleiotropik
@pleiotropik 3 жыл бұрын
@@Richard.Atkinson The church is the concert hall where humans and the divine congregate to sing to each other. Though perhaps both sides have supsicions of the other's presence/absence. In the high domes, where the echo and reverberation add to the beautiful geometric complexity of sound; there's a truce between the dark and the light of the world. Being agnostic myself, i suspend disbelief of deities while i listen to Bach. --Thank you for your effort and knowledgeable explanations in these videos.
@salt2live
@salt2live 3 жыл бұрын
@@Richard.Atkinson This "negative force" forced Bach to create many "negative" compositions, as was the case with Mozart, the Haydens and a thousand other musicians and fine artists all over the world. Because of this "negative force" Bach signed all of his compositions with "Soli Deo Gloria".
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 3 жыл бұрын
salt2live True... mythology has inspired much great art throughout history. And in addition to that, most wars, the subjugation of women, genocide, suicide bombings, child rape by clergy, persecution of people based on sexuality, justification of slavery, etc. etc. Bach’s music exists as a testament to human ingenuity, independent of the repugnant ideology some of it was composed to to further.
@malcolmledger176
@malcolmledger176 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the care and effort you have put into this excellent analysis and accompanying musical illustrations. Not only is the counterpoint in itself astonishing, but the fact that Bach had to write one cantata a week, and this is just the opening chorus of one. It would take most people at least a week only to copy out the first chorus, never mind think it up. On top of that there were instrumental and choral parts to copy, plus rehearsal time (if any). Bach also had a teaching schedule to follow. Quite phenomenal and almost superhuman, when you think about it.
@windmillwilly
@windmillwilly 3 жыл бұрын
Counterpoint? I can hardly understand her point!
@declamatory
@declamatory 3 жыл бұрын
She had two points! Didn't you see them?
@joelmagusnavarro2211
@joelmagusnavarro2211 3 жыл бұрын
Kudos for a clear and superb presentation, Richard. My students will have a feast on this. Bravo on your 3-day viewership of 10.5K -- quite a feat.
@saidtoshimaru1832
@saidtoshimaru1832 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video!!! (and to think he did this kind of stuff each week for three years).
@saidtoshimaru1832
@saidtoshimaru1832 3 жыл бұрын
12:25 - Holy Sh**!
@dondondon786
@dondondon786 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation and choice of subject. Thanks.
@m.calloway2624
@m.calloway2624 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome analysis of awesome music. So much at every level. Let me catch my breath.
@annettepiff9759
@annettepiff9759 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating! Thank you very much!
@thomaseichler2368
@thomaseichler2368 3 жыл бұрын
I strongly doubt, that i will ever witness a better componist or music in my whole lifetime. Sure, there is some other good music out there too, but bach can never be surpassed by humankind. "Jauchzet Frohlocket" and "Herr unser Herrscher" are my favorites, and the complete "Weihnachtsoratorium" is outstanding everything i've ever heard. If I'd believe in god(s) i'd say that he was touched by a god, or is a god by himself. I guess he will be heard as long as humankind will be alive. An immortal musician
@marckg6950
@marckg6950 3 жыл бұрын
Lets hope he is surpassed! That would be exciting.
@Luboman411
@Luboman411 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, just "Herr unser Herrscher" does it for me. You can FEEL the jags and the edges in that composition. And the fact that he did it in the chromatic scale with augmented chords unheard in classical music until the 1910s and 1920s is astounding.
@noharakun
@noharakun 3 жыл бұрын
thanks for all the great videos
@asaluk3149
@asaluk3149 2 жыл бұрын
Great analysis. Amazing complexity. And most amazing of all, the complexities are in the service of great artistic effect.
@stephenmarmer543
@stephenmarmer543 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for another unpacking of the music of the greatest masters.
@violinstar5948
@violinstar5948 3 жыл бұрын
Only after watching this do I see how complex Bach is
@CarlsbadSGP2007
@CarlsbadSGP2007 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this!
@thethikboy
@thethikboy 3 жыл бұрын
A masterful analysis of this unparalleled piece of counterpoint. Superlatives fail.
@nicolagiaquinto8496
@nicolagiaquinto8496 3 жыл бұрын
Astonishing, as always! (Also, your italian pronunciation is on point 👌)
@davidbudo5551
@davidbudo5551 3 жыл бұрын
His German is solid as well!
@futureshock7425
@futureshock7425 3 жыл бұрын
Very great analysis I have subscribed That was incredibly dense and complex
@studiomusica7827
@studiomusica7827 3 жыл бұрын
Complimenti !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@behnstrople8621
@behnstrople8621 3 жыл бұрын
Best channel on KZfaq :D Thanks for all your wok!
@seanmundy9829
@seanmundy9829 3 жыл бұрын
This was another great analysis that I have already watched through twice. A suggestion for a piece to do in the future is Handel's early masterpiece, Dixit Dominus. The point of interest is Handel's use of counterpoint, particularly in the "Gloria Patri" final movement. There is the fugue that marks the second half of the movement that always excited me and builds to a very satisfying climax. Just like your experience of Bach's Grand Organ Mass, I was also left speechless after seeing and hearing it for the first time as performed by the University of Southern California's Baroque Sinfonia ensemble. Thanks again for another great video.
@solracpilino1967
@solracpilino1967 3 жыл бұрын
Bach always is the perfect equilibrium of science and art... CPE Bach learned this from him...
@arthur5465
@arthur5465 3 жыл бұрын
Incredible Video, but after seeing your analysis of the Meistersinger prelude i would love to see more of wagner! Please do the tristan prelude, or the liebestod!
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 3 жыл бұрын
One of the next few videos: The Ring.
@apostolismoschopoulos1876
@apostolismoschopoulos1876 3 жыл бұрын
The Tristan chord definitely deserves some more attention
@eupraxis1
@eupraxis1 3 жыл бұрын
Again (and again ...), outstanding!
@BartolomeoIrnerio
@BartolomeoIrnerio 3 жыл бұрын
I think the fact that Moses needs to go up the mountain first to get the 10 commandments in part inspires the motiff of going up.
@elias69420
@elias69420 3 жыл бұрын
Richard x Counterpoint Still a better love story than twilight
@davidbudo5551
@davidbudo5551 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha! Well done.
@jasonkim5503
@jasonkim5503 3 жыл бұрын
I must say, however, I think this is Bach at his most overly (and unnecessarily) cerebral, and the result is, to my humble ears, not the most beautiful of his creations. (Because I KNOW what it’s like, when he IS beautiful, as there are HUNDREDS of those DIVINE occasions I can think of.) This movement feels more like one of his own great exercises. If I had heard this piece without all this complex knowledge kindly explained out-this WAS my very first time ever hearing this BWV 77 at all-I would’ve just noticed its heavy “chromaticity” and “unsettled” modulations and obviously complex counterpoint, and never to return to it again. This felt like the Art of Fugues for the voice, which to me, is also a bunch of high-end über-cerebral exercises, rather than beautiful music pleasing to ears.
@mouthpiece200
@mouthpiece200 3 жыл бұрын
This "dense" of music is definitely an acquired taste. The mind has to tell the ears to like it. The ears don't prefer it by themselves.
@andrewg2256
@andrewg2256 3 жыл бұрын
Bach - the greatest creative genius there ever was. The best bit in here is at about 18:30 where you point out how, just before the 4th subject enters, it is pre-figured ‘in all 4 voices by a syncopated retrograde version of itself’. As indeed it is. Just fabulous. Thank you.
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's brilliant!
@vaughangarrick
@vaughangarrick 3 жыл бұрын
one of the great artistic gods alongside Shakespeare and Da Vinci. Literature, art and music
@lucass.552
@lucass.552 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this marvellous and thorough introduction. May I suggest chosing another musical realization? Orchestra and choir sadly emphasize the smallest possible metrum (eights) which results in very poor phrasing, an overall hectic tone, frayed endings and lack of adequate German pronunciation. The reverberation of the room does not help. Better: Amsterdam Baroque or Monteverdi Choir. If you can get Rademann or Harnoncourt, even better. Thanks again -- great analysis!!
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 3 жыл бұрын
I also have some major problems with this recording, some of which I mentioned in the video. The out-of-tune, sometimes very nasal singing (didn’t mention this in the video) is probably the worst of these, but I still chose this recording over my second choice (Bach Collegium Japan), because this performance does the best job of accentuating the augmentation canons, which is the main point of the composition. Almost every other recording of this work is a failure in my opinion, for this reason alone.
@dr7246
@dr7246 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@sveinungnygaard1505
@sveinungnygaard1505 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing video!
@roberacevedo8232
@roberacevedo8232 3 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@swansongy1
@swansongy1 3 жыл бұрын
Your work is very well done.
@emanuel_soundtrack
@emanuel_soundtrack 3 жыл бұрын
priceless video, thx so much! I tried to do 10 minutes „similar“ like this and is a LOT of time. I readed some famous book on the Clavierübung iii but videos are the very appropriated form to present such things. Universities are ENVY
@emanuel_soundtrack
@emanuel_soundtrack 3 жыл бұрын
Check my last video
@thomasjefferson6599
@thomasjefferson6599 3 жыл бұрын
Great analysis! Please do one of Mozart’s K.426 fugue!
@jasonkim5503
@jasonkim5503 3 жыл бұрын
Whoa, that BWV 635 and the other organ works, BWV 678 and 679, heard in this video were all played on the organ that got TOTALLY tuned higher, a full half tone above, in Db. Must’ve been recorded in the summer time, when the organ pitches go up? (I’ve been told that, by an organist.)
@brunocoliveira89
@brunocoliveira89 3 жыл бұрын
Thank youuuuu!
@Tizohip
@Tizohip 3 жыл бұрын
fantastic video :)
@OzanYarman
@OzanYarman 3 жыл бұрын
outstanding!
@BryanWLepore
@BryanWLepore 3 жыл бұрын
Staggering indeed!
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 3 жыл бұрын
I always put in something like that to see who's paying attention...
@Brandon55638
@Brandon55638 Жыл бұрын
I think the chorale is in what 16th century theorist Heinrich Glarean called G Hypomixolydian, which is the eighth church mode, where C is the "modal dominant".
@aberobwohl
@aberobwohl 3 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to have this kind of analysis of the "Confiteor" of the b-minor-mass.
@andresvillaloboslepiz
@andresvillaloboslepiz 3 жыл бұрын
So did he leave 10 years in between every setting of this Chorale? That would be a remarkable feat of obedience to number 10. I always knew Bach was out of this world, but this takes it a whole step further.
@jorgelopez-pr6dr
@jorgelopez-pr6dr 3 жыл бұрын
"The most stupendous miracle in all music"- Wagner.
@KasranFox
@KasranFox 3 жыл бұрын
this bach guy was pretty smart huh
@marckg6950
@marckg6950 3 жыл бұрын
I cant even spell contrapunctus
@sameash3153
@sameash3153 3 жыл бұрын
Weird coincidence, I've been on a big kick regarding this hymn melody lately, been learning Bach's organ chorale prelude setting on it
@xaviersanders2762
@xaviersanders2762 3 жыл бұрын
Can you post a video breakdown on Bach Cantata 140 wachet auf ruft uns die stimme? I enjoy your videos!
@Gee-no
@Gee-no 3 жыл бұрын
A-fucking-mazing!! Good work!!
@iwanabana
@iwanabana 3 жыл бұрын
The orange countermotif was even taken from the tune itself! That was made apparent to me at around the 19:38 mark.
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 3 жыл бұрын
Go back to the 6:09 mark...
@foveauxbear
@foveauxbear 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Richard, I really love your channel. I studied "the examination fugue" during my youth, a text by Dr. William Lovelock, a Brit who ended up living in Brisbane, Australia. He composed many works including a Symphony Concertante for Organ and Orchestra, wherein the last movement has a WONDERFUL fugue, I wonder if you know this work?
@frenchimp
@frenchimp 3 жыл бұрын
What took you so long? Just kidding. Fantastic video, you made my day, thanks a lot!
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 3 жыл бұрын
Some of these videos cause me carpal tunnel syndrome...
@elias69420
@elias69420 3 жыл бұрын
Can you do the opening chorus from the St. Matthew Passion, please? I'd greatly appreciate it.
@Khayyam-vg9fw
@Khayyam-vg9fw 3 жыл бұрын
How about an analysis of the Sixth Seal Fugue from Franz Schmidt's "Das Buch mit sieben Siegeln"?
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 3 жыл бұрын
I’m putting it on my listening list.
@sneddypie
@sneddypie 3 жыл бұрын
can you do a video on the most badass moments of each shostakovich symphonies? they're some of my favorite, if not my favorite, pieces of all time, and damn, they have some hella badass moments, and i feel like it would be an extremely enjoyable video of your's, like all of them!
@anotherplanetuk2
@anotherplanetuk2 3 жыл бұрын
Can you analyse the fugue in Koechlin’s les Bandar log? It’s a stunning example of complex counterpoint plus impressionist harmony and polytonality.
@karlakor
@karlakor 3 жыл бұрын
The complexity of this chorus boggles the mind. What Bach achieved in this movement is almost beyond belief, but when it was first performed for Bach's congregation, I doubt that anyone who heard it had any idea of its complexity. I wonder what Bach expected of his listeners and of his musicians. Was he disappointed that all his technical prowess went unnoticed by the masses?
@grahamnancledra7036
@grahamnancledra7036 3 жыл бұрын
"A musicologist is someone who talks a lot about music bit doesn't necessarily listen and understand Music". ( I wish I knew who first said something like that - Sir Thomas Beecham comes to mind). I understand and listen to music. It's natural to me. I can read a score. Ask me to talk about what is in the score and I'm lost. I have hundreds of scores that I follow when I listen to music and I adore Bach, love Mozart. Listening to your dissertation, I'm lost. It doesn't help me adore Bach any more than I do. One of my favourite pieces of Bach is BWV 54. It's early Bach. To me the lines of music are simple, and just by listening I get tremendous pleasure from the music and Bach's writing. I don't need to know why I should get the pleasure from the deep detail of what Bach wrote. I somehow feel that if Bach was to listen to your dissertation he'd congratulate you on your efforts but have a cheeky smile on his face as he walked back to the Alehouse for a swift beer before heading home to compose his next work, directly from his head minus theory.
@frenchimp
@frenchimp 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a great fan of BWV 54. I think Bach would expect any professional musicial of his time to understand the niceties that are being explained by Richard in this wonderful video. I suspect Bach would have been a little optimistic, concerning his contemporaries. But this is about three centuries after the fact, another musical culture altogether and I don't think many listeners would grasp all this without it being pointed out to them. And percieving the complexity of such a piece is a a major part of the pleasure I have when I listen to it. There are many pieces of Bach I can greatly enjoy by listening to them without making the effort of trying to understand the clockwork, so to speak. But there are pieces like this where Bach deliberately put a tremendous lot of contrapuntal high-tech and I'm pretty sure he had lots of fun doing so and being able to share part of the fun is a wonderful experience. Maybe you are not sensitive to that, but to denigrate the pleasure of others is not the most civil attitude, in my opinion. You seem to use the word theory as a pejorative, but here I believe the correct word would be research. Bach was a researcher. It would be a pity to miss that side of Bach. By the way, BWV 54 was the first Cantata Bach composed following the recommandations of a pastor called Neumeister, who advocated church music be composed in operatic style, that is as a succession of arie/recitativi/arie which the occasional chorus or chorale interspersed as need be. Bach wrote his first attempt in the form of the minimal Neumeister form: a solo cantata with 1 aria, 1 recit, 1 aria. The generating cell. That alone shows he thought like a mathematician... And the result is gorgeous.
@SpaghettiToaster
@SpaghettiToaster 3 жыл бұрын
You're completely wrong, as Bach taught theory and took it seriously.
@stuartparsons4948
@stuartparsons4948 3 жыл бұрын
In my humble opinion, it is often not necessary to have an in-depth knowledge of the mechanics of a piece of music in order to derive great pleasure from it. However, personally speaking (and especially in the case of Bach), I often find knowing that extra technical info frequently enhances my enjoyment of the piece; and - perhaps crucially - it almost NEVER detracts from it (I can't think of a single example of where, for me, "knowing" too much about a piece has subtracted enjoyment)....And I find that last point in particular applies for pretty much any of the "great" composers - perhaps even those who have not taken any great pains to conform to any of the established forms (or indeed those who try consciously to "break free" of them); composers who perhaps rely more on melodic gift and pure instinct, etc....Even in those cases, there is usually something interesting to discover the deeper you look.
@acrid8952
@acrid8952 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! But isn't continuo usually played on harpsichord? I thought it was viola de gamba.
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 3 жыл бұрын
Probably not in a church cantata... they likely would’ve played it on the organ. I don’t actually hear any keyboard instrument in this recording though.
@neilwalsh3977
@neilwalsh3977 3 жыл бұрын
One of his greatest coro
@patrckhh20
@patrckhh20 3 жыл бұрын
Mind blowing.
@shaheenmalick5999
@shaheenmalick5999 3 жыл бұрын
@Richardatkinson can you do a vid on modal harmony in Bach?
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