So true .

YES ! Research studies show that many USA doctors steal pain relief medication pills and take these even though they are not in pain.💊 They go to work at their hospitals high on medications !

They don't have to beg. They can get them.

​@@milascave2research shows that the USA doctors steal the strong pain relief pills !

Amen we'll said! Makes it hard for people with legitimate chronic pain to access meds. I believe in pain meds and most people who need it are not junkies!!

I agree

Totally agree

Pain ? straight to antidepressants. Yet the pain is making you depressed to begin with. Prime example of gaslighting

@@ryang8041 Exactly. And in my experience (and everyone I've talked to), anti-d's are useless for primary pain with or without secondary depression. They just disrupt your neurochemistry, and it can take years to clear out your system and re-stabilize. Opioids - the best antidepressant! Pain managed? No depression, just quality of life, ability to sleep, think, function, and engage in life with gratitude. Prohibition is killing us.

There is so much wrong with this video lol. I can’t believe this was a teaching video.

Have you tried a pain management clinic? I go to one and they help me. It might take you awhile to get an appointment but...just a thought.

@@hopespringseternal2624that was so kind of you to take the time to suggest this.

I wish u were my nurse u understand

As a retired registered nurse with lupus and the usual problems of aging, I agree with everything you’ve said here. CBD helps somewhat but I think THC might work better. It’s illegal in my state so it’s not available. In other words even a natural pain reliever is out of reach for chronic pain patients. What is this world coming to? This poor simulated patient breaks my heart. Is he doomed to suffer? And to what purpose? This man is being honest and getting denied help because of it. This is cruelty and unnecessary.

😊​@@glock-pt6fm

There is $$$$ to be made By claiming they a r e All addicts

@@pav688yep! They’ll give them another opiate to get them off the first one.

I lost my job because I couldn't work after a pharmacist refused to give me OTC codeine. For no reason. Glorified drug dealers not giving something I needed to walk properly with. My boss just said my illness was holding back. He was a potential partner who worked for me before I got sick. 90% of what they sell does nothing . 50% of heart attack sufferers had high cholesterol.!!!!. In other works the biggest selling drug ever........is useless. Not only that but cholesterol is vital for living. You can Google that . Big pharma is evil​@@pav688

Yes, a terrible drug seeker.

They actually can’t. No one is immune to the prohibition.

brings back when I also suffered ear pain and was treated like a drug seeker. As it turns out, my left eardrum had ruptured. Idiot, heartless doc...

Teresa, you're right and hot too! woo woo!

He wasn't very good.

​@@mkp3824 he is a good actor. He really sounds that he has pain.

Perfectly said !!

Exactly

Depends. Chronic pain usually has mental connections. Either starting in the mind or else over time effecting the mind. Best advice after years and years of going to doctors and only getting worse... Stop going to doctors, stop taking their poison, stop making others rich and yourself broke, weak and hooked.

💯 What no scans? No referrals? A teaching tool. PFFT DISGUSTING❗️❗️❗️

Can confirm. The pain is like an annoying room mate that you have no choice but tolerate to continue to function. They have confirmed it is neuropathic in nature and most meds don't work to do much for it. Some days is in the background, other days feel like I'm being electrocuted or burned alive. The not knowing if tomorrow is gonna be a bad day is the worst part of it. 😢😢😢

Agree. Chronic pain can cause and influence depression. But just Throwing antidepressant at the patient and gaslighting them with “You’re not in pain, you’re depressed” is such garbage. Chronic pain is so complex not treating it makes EVERYTHING else worse that comes with it. The antidepressants they throw at you while not treating the pain is like putting a wet blanket on a tiny ember, patting yourself on the back and ignoring the HUGE house fire happening right behind you.

Yeah man it’s terrible for everyone right now! In the early 90’s and before opioids we’re handed out like candy 🍭 now they will only give you ibuprofen

They don't they don't suffer from Chronic pain and Anxiety and Depression or Manic Depressive Disorder like me!

They don't know shit!

I with you james😢

@@jamesafrid1098 I hear ya barkin' Big Dog!

Agree. Not USA . This is not realistic at all

It’s the USA

There are doctors that have mental health people come into your appt and talk to you. I know, because I’ve been to one. He’s a cancer doctor.

💯🎯

Yep I fully agree with you SSRIs could cause suicide and severe depression and anxiety and they have done in the past. People who are genuinely suffering get fucked over by bullshit videos like this, it’s outrageous and should be removed.

When my pain management doc kept inquiring how I was able to keep reducing the number of percocet I was taking I finally told him cannabis made the ones I took more effective. He said thats illegal. I said you don't look like a cop to me, thought he would be glad I was reducing, make him look good and maybe give him knowledge he could pass on to other patients. It's still illegal in my backwards state and he dropped me as a patient. If they don't want to prescribe, but you offer up a way to do that and they freak out.

Oxycodone and morphine are the best for back pain

No it’s not. The weakest opiate would be codiene or tramadol which is opioid

@@kathleengivant-taylor2277 You are right. My mistake. You would need about 220 mg of oral codeine to get the same effect as 40 mg of oral hydrocodone, the opioid in Norco. So Norco is about 5.5 times as strong. However each Norco tab has only 5 mg of hydrocodone, which is equivalent to about 27.5 mg of codeine. Codeine is typically prescribed in units of 30 mg. So while hydrocodone is stronger than codeine, the way it is being prescribed these days, it is not. So for example tablets of Tylenol with codeine, 300/30, is a little bit stronger than 2 tablets of Norco 325/5. But yes, technically, you are quite correct, milligram for milligram hydrocodone is stronger than codeine, more than 5 times as strong.

Not to mention as a chronic pain person whose been through PT more times than I can count, your going to send someone whose already in a lot of pain to do something that will cause MORE pain for quite awhile before you see any benefit. I'm in pain so make me do something to cause more pain but don't give me any pain meds? I told the doc who tried that with me to fuck off to his face.

@@robboid - I hear you. I’ve had more PT, acupuncture and steroid injections than I can count. It only helped for a little while, if at all. I feel very fortunate to finally have a doctor who believed me and would prescribe me pain medication.

Totally agree. As a former addict, I can’t remember how many doctors treated me like shit and just made me leave. And that drove me further into addiction. An addict is still a patient and deserves care.

Agreed. 100% AGREED. But I feel that this would only work as an EARLY intervention. I wish a doctor and a shrink stepped in like this for me at the BEGINNING of my run. It probably would have changed my life.

I agree with you but sadly this scenario is just a FANTASY! in the real hospital setting they will black Label you so every DR in the future knows you’re a drug SEEKER!!

There's a difference between addiction and dependence that's what people do mess up now this is one scenario but you can't use this as an overall picture me myself I was born with the generation in my spinal cord right so I'm 30 something years old now it progressed over 30 years I was on the way to get in oxycodone Percocet everything in the book I made a decision on my own that I didn't want to be on them no more and depending on them not addicted depending on them I switch to Subutex I've been on it for 6 years now my life is been very no pain the pain is completely controlled because it binds to The receptors well side effects are very low and of course there's going to be a thousand or more people on here saying it's just another medication is just another medication well f*** that I ain't cold turkey in this pain I was born with a degeneration in my spinal cord I'm not walking around like that every day matter fact with the pain sometimes you can't walk but being on the buprenorphine HCL 8mg three times daily my whole life is back I'm active I go grocery shopping I walk my dogs geez I even own things you know like I work hard I can earn I'm more enthusiastic about going different places I want to do things so everyone is not an addict some people just depend on it

Andjust come home with a Tylenol which is very detrimental to the liver and kidneys or an ibuprofen is that what you would want for your child I don't think you would you would watch something nice and strong to kill the pain you wouldn't want to hear your child crying out because your pain at night time so why is it okay for someone else's child to cry out in the night time for some strong type of pain control but it's different when it comes to your own child I have no respect for doctors I have no respect for nursesI on the other hand I have for I-10 glitches 2016 against the DEA and won my case and came home with a beautiful lawsuits from hospitalsI came home with millions and I'm the happiest person I myself have had surgery which require dope yours and my parents cried when I was 15 in my fifties and I was only giving Tylenol and they were for my behalf and I got prescribed opioids I wanted was no ceiling effect for the last 4 years and still counting to make my pain manager mobile for a better quality of life non-addictive to any of the opioid I'm also on a benzodiazepine worry-free stress-free and not worrying about if benzos with being cut offI know for a fact that my pencils will never ever be cut off so I live in a world of benzos opioids which is the way people who deserve to use them and need them have them at their disposalbecause my parents would not going to see me cry one more day can you say that about any patient in the hospital as far as I'm concerned you can go all f*** yourself because when I ever on going to the emergency room or hospitalbecause it is so stated in my PMP report and all my doctor's notes that I must be given my opioids I must be giving my benzodiazepine and there's nothing the nurses could have a man mean-looking face at me as they have pDepeche meds at me and the doctors have also lazily injected the opioids at a slow pace for out of disgust as a look on his face is worth a million words and I get a laugh and a Kik just watching that because there's not a damn thing they could do and I am well noted all over the system for opioid and benzodiazepinescame in through the backdoor as as more than one way to skin a cat go you could all go fuc yourself

Educating the patient is crucial that way they can be in control of what is needed for themself as well as what precautions to take when needing pain medicine. What I don’t like is doctors with a predisposition towards opioid pain management because of a personal reason or whatever the case may be. That is extremely dangerous for the patient because they often times get so desperate for relief they turn to the streets for heroin or fentanyl. Being a therapist for veterans going on 11 years I’ve found that doctors overprescribing is just as dangerous as all the doctors who adamantly oppose opioid management to literally anyone, unless they are Post op. That’s not acceptable. That’s dangerous and irresponsible and even to this day I see veterans in my office or in group meetings who are denied significant relief for their injuries. These are people who fought for our freedom! And I’ve seen way more times than I would like to remember veterans killing themself because they no longer want to live in pain. Doctors should be held accountable for denying legitimate pain patients the medicine they need, just like doctors are held accountable for overprescribing.

You've got to be kidding. He hurt his back, a year after an accident, and got norco, one time. He now wants to heal, get norco to help him, then they call him crazy, and addict, and prescribe anti depressants AND leave him on the exam table, in a gown, even in front of a mental health person, who is a female. This video is an example of gaslighting and the reason people don't seek medical help. Those two women need to have complaints sent in, teaming up to gas light a patient. How dare them.

Not true. I was on the same amount for almost 10 year and didn’t need an increase.

@@HeadShot319 That is extremely rare, almost unheard of. Everyone knows these drugs are extremely physically addictive which is why they are so controlled. Physical dependence involves having to increase the dose otherwise you will experience withdrawal effects.

@@HeadShot319 agreed. Same here. I would sometimes skip a dose or have ibuprofen instead and then take it later with an empty stomach so that it felt stronger with half a pill. I eventually did increase from 10 mg to 15 mg per day as I also developed pain in other areas of my body as well as weight gain. If my HMO had actually provided real physical therapy, and if life did not demand constant use of my back, neck and hands, the 10 mg per day would have been fine for even longer than 10 years.

​@jflsdknf I agree with you I started on Norco then when the max dosage didn't work anymore the swapped me to percocet and they did titration up to 10s and now I have to be titrated up again as it's not as effective anymore. I never abused them or ran out early just have built up a tolerance

@@thegamercat4447 do you think after a certain time they will try to switch back to norco to see if the tolerance has reset even a tiny bit? To me, Percocet versus hydrocodone is a distinctly different type of feeling, but tolerance seems to build more quickly (this was a few years ago) with Percocet and it made me more drowsy. Best wishes to you

Yes & No. Many countries have BANNED THE PRACTICE... Please do research. The injections don't help us patients walk away better, they make our issues worse. Current full 360 spinal infusion with 2 vertebrae gone, replaced with a full metal cage, back in 2018 (32 at the time) after 3 years of intense pain not knowing for well over 2.5 years that I had a broke disc that was embedded into my spinal cord and was leaking, undergone multiple injections (unaware of how harmful in the beginning) several discograms and experimental devices (not safe either) I ended up in pain management 2018 and still to this day can't work or hardly walk and am looking at additional surgeries to my entire back and my cervical (neck). Please I beg do your research!

Not epidural steroids

Bingo, then the pharmacy wants to judge what the doctor ordered and treat patient like shit. It’s always the patient in the wrong.

That’s absolutely insane. He’s going to have a hell of a time trying to get off those and could feel off for months afterwards.

Lol DR’s are so bad right now it’s better to just get something for your pain online bcuz these QUACKS will give you Saline ibuprofen and a pat in the back with a nice bill

😂 so true. Antidepressants don’t due crap for pain, and I know this from experience.

You are so wrong.

Especially when I heard them say, "I have some samples for you in my office." uh huh. ...

Yeah but that’s not what was going on here. They didn’t do any imaging, any REAL diagnostics, they labeled him an addict and sent in Psych to gaslight a patient in pain and make him think his pain wasn’t pain. This whole training video was a big fat fail.

That’s exactly why they didn’t show it in the video lol 😂 😂😂😂😂😂, instead of giving him the medicine he asked for, for a legitimate back pain issue they pumped him full of SSRIs, other medications I can’t recall the name of and gave him the medicine he wanted ffs. He’ll need to be an accountant to workout how many years he’ll be in debt for!!!!!!

The records really got messed up with the electronic health records. They have things in my record with no dates prior to the EHRs. One DID manage to get in from 2009, but I'm certain it's not from MY record.

Hell yeah he was stoked. Someone gonna have a good night . I know that feeling tho. As awful as it is, the pleasure I used to feel when the doctor would tell me they were going to give me pain meds.

@@kyleknapp1985 Move to Canada, free dilaudid and obscene amounts like 30 8mg pills a day(plus in this program you are allowed to use the pills whenever, however) plus MScontin on top(up to 1000mg a day plus max30 8mg D-8's a day), shits a warzone here :( I'm not lying, i am going to make a mini documentary about it, so many homeless and people OD'ing here.

It was!

Only a doctor would know the word intermittent

I trained to be a pharmacist and was going to work for a company making chemical compounds, because ik the lingo, i guess i shouldn't be "allowed to" to have any medicine, even though ik more then they may even know, that's why canada is great, they don't act like dickheads about pain medicine.

Why is it that drs are so quick to hand out anti depressants when someone has physical pain from injury ? I am a strong believer in physical therapy and massage and physical exercise such as walking, cycling on stationary bike , stretching, ect use of topical skin treatments for pain, ice or heat. Sometimes however when nothing else relieves patients pain narcotic pain mds become nessary too relieve pain to a point where patient can lead a more normal life

And give a proper dose! 5mg vicodin isn't going to touch certain pain. No wonder he took a few extra. So whst? Anti opioid zealots. One size don't fit all. Some can be on 300mme and hold down a managerial hands on position working 70 hrs a week. And advocate for both cpps & animal.welfare on off time, Living alone, paying own way. Stop judging everyone. If someone is an addict they can let you know. Be accountable and responsible for yourselves. You don't limit alcohol cuz some might be an alcoholic! Just as many die ea yr from alcohol related injuries & many are judt innocent bystanders turned victim due to someone's irresponsible actions of drinking. How many cpps are victims of drunk drivers? There's a study you might want to do? Stop selling alcohol on every street corner starting at 6a to 3a, geez why not just sell.jn 24 hrs a day? Are lives being saved by no sales forv3 hrs a day, lol. What a joke!! Stop Illicitly manufactured Fentanyl!! Stop pushing abandoned pain patients to buy street drugs! Pain is pain, suicides are up. RX is 20 yr low yet overdoses climbed 600+%!!!

And tens of thousands of pain patients have been on a steady dose for 5, 10, 20 yrs. Is it tolerance or just improper dosage?? Titration is normal during first few mths to a year of medication. No one tells diabetic they take too much insulin. Are all blood pressure patients on same dose?? Of course not.

Well thats also the same way you feel when chronic never ending pain finally eases up, which is why its hard to “catch” the “addict”. But not like it matters the doctor said these feelings came from low seratonin💀which, obviously it doesnt, hes feeling these ways because hes INCREASING the seratonin from the high💀

You’re NOT a doctor, stay in your own lane. There, how do you feel being judged??? We won’t listen to you because we think we are smarter?? How does that feel?? How about get off your judgmental high horse and start TRYING to help people. There’s professionals that truly want to help and then there’s professionals that let their title get to their head and end up being eagle testicle judgmental asses that help no one. Just because you go to college or school for something doesn’t mean it’s for you.

So you’re a fake doctor not smart enough to go to medical school and actually do practical practice for experience so instead you settled as a pharmacist who gives her customers grief and big notes herself and act like you’re some knowledgeable general practitioner

Dependency is NOT addiction