Exactly why I don't like tech death and love prog death

I love both

Yeah I was watching the entire thing expecting to see my favorite band Decapitated on the list

I know this isn't one of the albums that you are talking about but I just heard "anticult" the other day for the first time and god damn did it blow me away.

Brandon Smith yes!!! And Beyond Creation!

Why RIP? They are still active?

@@ocdy-gk9pw They're toast. It takes a lot of energy to fuel that kind of writing.

yes

Mmrg Beyond Creation are delicious.

some gourmet music

i was about to say haha you said it for me

very good

the faceless

the faceless lolol First two Psycroptic albums are among the best ever in tech death and death metal imo

@@brewtalityk Why tf are you laughing? Is The Faceless great now? Not really but Planetary Duality is top 3 tech death albums of all time and YES better than Psycroptic and I LOVE Psycroptic.

Yeah man, and early decapitated is SUPER important for tech death

faceless big time

where do you think they got there influence from? Literally there sound is based around forest and the lead bass kind of stuff. Forest started playing bass because of non other Steve Digorgio himself then went on to replace him in quo vadis there sound is all driven from death and such as much other complexities they have dont get me wrong they are my favorite band in all honesty but you have to under stand where they come from and on the show they are showing staples in the genre to define it.

@Matt T. it's more progressive but it's not more technical. Maybe If you're just talking about Chuck's solo's and the drums, yeah they probably are more technical. But actually many of the riffs are quite simple unlike ITP. Also the bass is way more technical in ITP, not to mention Andy's solo's. I'm not shitting on TSOP because that's probably my favourite death album right now.

do you know what happened to them and why they don't make a new album

@@IbtissamTrabelsi Not really. For what I’ve heard Muhammed lost interest in making Death Metal, but I don’t know how accurate it really is tbh.

Yeah, I am wondering if they even know them, like not any mention, review, nothing.

@@richardgamrat1944 and they're a 3 piece which is mind blowing

Avant Grande

Jesus Jimenez We had a magnet ready for those guys but the live chat users weren't arguing for it. Other than the Legend band the list is up to the viewers! Hope you can join us live sometime to get in on the debate.

Daemon Amdusias Or Origin?

I love me some Echoes of Decimation!

Also, Nile does NOT belong on this list - love the band, but they fall more into the Morbid Angel school of old school death metal for me.

Frank Reid Nope. Been listening to Death Metal for most of my life and I actually did sound for Nile on one of the dates for their first big solo tour ( back when Pete Hammoura was drumming for them ). Don't get me wrong, they're very talented musicians and some of their songs have very techy parts but I still don't think they really belong on this list.

Damon Scott I strongly disagree even though I love the band. I make that comparison for two reasons: 1) lots of eerie, tremolo picked riffs 2) lots of slow, sludgy parts. You can hear the influence there, particularly on Nephren-Ka. You can disagree with me all you want but claiming that I "don't know what I'm talking about" is pretty goofy.

Well, fuck - I sure did kick a hornet’s nest here… When I think of “Tech Death” as a subgenre, Nile is not one of the bands that springs immediately to mind and I’ll explain my reasoning at greater length now that I have the time to do so. 1) Like a few bands listed here, Nile started off more like a traditional Death Metal band - they did have the addition of Egyptian inspired melodies and some interesting symphonic elements ( which I’d actually argue was the most influential part of their sound ) but if you pay attention to the riffing and song structure on Amongst the Catacombs of Nephren Ka and Black Seeds of Vengeance you’ll find that it is fairly straight forward stuff. A few bursts of flashy playing here and there don’t make a band “Tech Death.” Nile started to edge closer to Tech with In Their Darkened Shrines and Annihilation of the Wicked - the riffing became more complicated and angular…so I’ll grant you that they eventually became a very technical band. 2) Suffocation belongs on this list more than Nile does for the simple fact that a lot of what became conventions of the subgenre, for me at least, have their roots in Pierced From Within. That record really built the template for what became modern Tech Death - rapid time and tempo changes, odd, off-kilter and angular riffs. I was a Junior in High School when that album came out and it blew me away - it was a complete game changer. I’m not denying Nile’s musical skill at all. They’re a great band with a very consistent discography. My argument is more that I really don’t see a record in their catalog that I consider to be a true watershed moment for Tech Death and as such, I think their inclusion on this list is a little iffy. I hope that clarifies my position here.

Thanks man!

in jail on gang rape charges lol

brilliant

Decapitated is just a metal core band.

Hey Dustin thanks for the feedback. We have a few episodes go longer than an hour but what happens is it tends to devolve into a lot of shouting every band name free for all, it doesn't add much debate/discussion. We definitely do want to get back to talking about the future/great new bands at the end, thanks for the reminder. As for those missing bands all we can say is we made magnets and then not enough arguments were made for them! Blame the chat! :)

BANGERTV - All Metal Oh, I do blame the chat, believe me, haha

Thanks! Welcome!

Definitely

Oh hell yeah.

finally someone

Just found this band, kick ass guitar!!!

@@jonatanpinadulucmusic yeah Scepter of the Ancients is fucking unbelievable. Don't care so much for the vocals after their first two albums when Chalky left the band ):

Blood mantra too

Maybe these guys need to do a tiny bit of homework but anyways love this show. Canada is this amazing Pandora's box when it comes to technical death metal and also home to bands that are older and more interesting than archspire in my honest opinion. Bands like quo Vadis (my favourite technical death metal band), beyond creation, neuraxis, martyr and augury. Though these bands aren't that obviously famous, they are definitely influential for the establishment of the genre.

Chirag Chittar I've always said that, monstrosity is technical as hell. Especially in those early albums but nobody ever seems to remember them when speaking of " technical death metal". Pat O'Brien said it himself and he's a shredder. " MONSTROSITYS stuff is very technical "

Yes pal you are 💯 right. They need more recognition and respect. It's not even just wankery. Their songs have a balance of good musicianship and great songwriting.

Yeah amazing band but I think I disagree. Maybe they are a bit more straightforward than some of these bands but the millennium era sounds pretty complex and technical to me. I do think they were really influential for many of these bands though

Frank Reid check out early albums

I can't agree more with you man. When Demilich and Pestilence were named, that guy's face was almost "what the fuck are them?". The same goes for Cynic.

@@danilhaes no excuse for that kind of reaction in the day n age of smart phones. They should have just look it up

Martyr is terrific

So fucking angry they didnt mention Ulcerate

SuperHamsterKing i know basically the most challenging ever

Wow, I forgot about Martyr, definitely technical throughout.

Artur B too rapey

lul

I only hear Death Metal.

S13 Gaming Nile really, that's interesting I've always considered them Tech. Sometime too tech and very a-tonal.

I've always thought of them as just regular Death metal with an Egyptian theme. I don't mean that to take anything away from them because I think they are great. And they also have the best liner notes I have ever encountered.

Check out flub

Half of cattle decapitation s catalog are grindcore albums

They are a deathgrind band

It's so sad that people even say that, they didn't do it, It was a plot 😢

not shocking at all when you consider most Banger fans are posers and hipsters, and they blocked most of the people who actually know metal. LOL They even blocked a few veteran metal musicians and vocalists!

Man I was scrolling down before watching to see if they’d mention Demilich; it’s really disappointing to see that they don’t get the respect they deserve. Nothing sounds like Nespithe 25 years later, and that is almost unheard of in any kind of metal. I like Archspire quite a bit, but they have yet to release a Nespithe.

Demillich has its complexity to it but come on it gets to the point theirs a reason they haven't released an album in how many years? they arent that good yet nespithe has its place but its not enough to hold up the musicians themselves

Honestly, Archspire's Relentless Mutation was a step down from The Lucid Collective for me.

@@AwayAtKeyboard FINALLY SOMEONE AGREES WITH ME. Relentless Mutation is just too damn catchy and I'm not a fan of that.

🤘

I miss them so much. At least Yanic and Steve DiGiorgio are together in Gone in April.

You have a point with all of the other bands, but Braindrill is wwwwwwaaaaaannnnnnkkkk. The point of tech death is using intense technicality to advance expression. Braindrill is quite possibly the LEAST expressive band I’ve ever heard

yes, totally agreed!

Eric Adams We welcome comments. Not sure what you've been hearing. We do use moderation to monitor and remove hateful threats to our talent. If you have a critique but can't make a point without resorting to that kind of thing that is unfortunate. But we don't remove negative comments or complaints about the videos. Especially not for a show called Lock Horns.

It wasn't what I was hearing. The chat replay was not available, and the comments were closed on the archived episodes of Lock Horns. I just checked a two one-year old episodes and the comments are open. Everything is good now. Thanks for the content!

Cool. We've only ever closed comments on one episode so they should always be open to go back and argue about!

Thanks! I actually just read the comments so that I can learn about music. Banger TV is the only place to go since That Metal Show was cancelled.

Because when 50% of your workday is spent monitoring one video which is being deluged with death threats and hate speech against your staff and guests by trolls who don't even watch your channel because you've become the Outrage of the Day, and you've got actual work to do. It was quite unfortunate but we will not let those kinds of comments live on BangerTV.

Deeds didn't start out as tech death it took them a long time to not be a generic cannibal corpse

No

Isaac Salsberry don't blame me. Blame them

Have you heard flub