Barad-dûr vs. Rivendell - 750pt MESBG Battle Report

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Any Heroics

Any Heroics

Жыл бұрын

The greatest battle of the Second Age - Dagorlad! Will it live up to the hype? Will Stephen ever stop using Gil-galad? Why do the elves outnumber the orcs?
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@teatitans2053
@teatitans2053 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely pumped to watch this report when I sit down to do some painting! Love your batreps!
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy our mindless rambling Friedrich! ~Stephen
@joshmortimer3433
@joshmortimer3433 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the batrep, they are always a joy to watch. Stephens Rivendell have been ripping through every army.
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
The "never seen before on this channel" comment on our first batrep becomes more relevant each time. Stephen is a monster at rivendell though! ~Elliot
@borgesthesecond3874
@borgesthesecond3874 Жыл бұрын
Great Bat Rep, loving the rivendell models. Looking forward to this team cleaning up at the Birmingham tourny
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
Thanks Borges! We do intend on hanging out with some mops and brooms... ~Stephen
@NattySix
@NattySix Жыл бұрын
Loving all the battle reports guys 👍🏽 I play Rivendell myself, so really appreciating the content. I wonder if you know whether a spear supporting model has a control zone? Stephen seems to be the encyclopaedia of all MESBG knowledge!
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
A spear support absolutely does, nothing more satisfying than watching a heroic combat be thwarted because of one pesky spear pleb;) ~Elliot
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words Matt, I'm adding that to my CV ~Stephen
@AgostinoManea
@AgostinoManea Жыл бұрын
First! Jeep up the good work, I see great potential in this channel
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
Thank you :) Hopefully you watch our career with great interest... ~Stephen
@sethclarke6895
@sethclarke6895 Жыл бұрын
Ooooh a bit of Sauron, love it
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
He's a cheeky boi ~Stephen
@davet2325
@davet2325 Жыл бұрын
Have you discussed the use of heroic challange with sauron? Would have been handy. Probably worth a point of might, even when the challange is denied... Ps: love the content. Keep it up!
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
Huge shout Dave and that is the kind of zest I like in a game ~Elliot
@Competentetyler
@Competentetyler Жыл бұрын
2:18 We’ve recently cleared this up, but a Siege Weapon does not have to deploy first. Curious to see if you guys are interpreting a rule differently or found it written up specifically elsewhere. Thanks! Great Battle Report!
@ArchangelTyrael
@ArchangelTyrael Жыл бұрын
Are the blue dice the Rivendel dice? They look very nice.
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
They are! They're surprisingly nice but anyone who uses them for a non-elf army is very naughty ~Stephen
@Paddywoodman
@Paddywoodman Жыл бұрын
hysterics with the barge back 3 inches
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
Another 11/10 brain play ~Elliot
@ki5u
@ki5u Жыл бұрын
Very nice battle report, but im curious why sauron rolled one ring save after GG wounded him twice. U should roll this one for every wound that could casue him being removed from battlefield :D
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
Thanks mate! Yeah aware that is the rule I must have been cheating again ~Elliot
@jmaccsarmiesofmiddleearth
@jmaccsarmiesofmiddleearth Жыл бұрын
Class guys, I really want to try Sauron now just eating horses. Sorry if I am being thick but why did Elrond get +2 to wound for 2 handing?
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
Sauron loves some chilled horses! Elrond has hadhafang which gives +1 to wound against spirit models. This means he can get +2 if he 2 hands :) ~Stephen
@jmaccsarmiesofmiddleearth
@jmaccsarmiesofmiddleearth Жыл бұрын
@Any Heroics Oh fk aye he's a spirit isn't he, derp derp derp silly me. Cheers man.
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
@@jmaccsarmiesofmiddleearth No worries it's all a learning game! ~Stephen
@jmaccsarmiesofmiddleearth
@jmaccsarmiesofmiddleearth Жыл бұрын
@Any Heroics Another annoying question. Would it not be better to have the G-unit as the leader as elrond has way more fate to survive for the VPs?
@MooseInThaHoose
@MooseInThaHoose Жыл бұрын
​@@jmaccsarmiesofmiddleearthI'm guessing the thinking here is that most scenarios have VPs for leader kills rather than killing non leader heroes. Also I guess it frees the G dog up for assassination
@Rocktimbo
@Rocktimbo Жыл бұрын
What book is that with all the scenarios in it?
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
That is the 'matched play guide' my good sir! ~Elliot
@lukesenyshyn4886
@lukesenyshyn4886 9 ай бұрын
Fight 5 armies with Rivendell dice should be illegal😂😂 at our local area everyone just plays with them because they roll so many 6s
@Paddywoodman
@Paddywoodman Жыл бұрын
what is the shelob mini please
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
The set is called In the clutches of shelob:) ~Elliot
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
Elliot is silly and tired, it's a 3D print, unsure where from! ~Stephen
@craig3111
@craig3111 11 ай бұрын
I think Sauron is underpowered. Considering his points. Yes he has a lot of saves but he never seems to do a lot. Only 4 attacks. Doesn’t get a Monterey’s charge (or am I wrong?). No brutal power attacks (or am I wrong??) No re rolls when casting.
@ArchangelTyrael
@ArchangelTyrael Жыл бұрын
Why no shield on Gil galad? Gives him one extra defense for low points. D8 comes it quite handy.
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
If it's the choice between 5 Kings Guard and a shield I take the KG every time! I do however rate the shield once you've got good numbers and KG ~Stephen
@Redtecho
@Redtecho Жыл бұрын
Spiders are evil.
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
In real life, sure, but Shelob is a sweetie ~Elliot
@ArchangelTyrael
@ArchangelTyrael Жыл бұрын
Can’t believe Sauron couldn’t win combats.
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately he's actually a small man wearing tin cans to big himself up. Little known fact that he's actually 5'4"! Absolute wetwipe ~Stephen
@jamesellis5942
@jamesellis5942 Жыл бұрын
I like to run a generic ringwraith with a troll drummer with Sauron
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
At how many points? I like the idea of another ringwraith but feel like big Sazza already sinks too many points ~Elliot
@jamesellis5942
@jamesellis5942 Жыл бұрын
@anyheroics 750 He's definitely pricey, but the troll giving you a free march helps negate shooting and gets him doing damage in combat earlier, and it is hard to bring down itself. Then, having your dedicated caster ringwraith compel banners outta btb contact for a chill soul or transfixing strikers in Saurons combat when you lose priority is worthy of the point sinks. I really just trying to maximize saurons' value with support pieces since hes pretty much the whole list anyway lol
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
@@jamesellis5942 definitely some good tips in here! He's always been a meme list for me, I may try out a numenorean marshal captain with some morgul riders, see how that compares ~Elliot
@theonlyJP1
@theonlyJP1 Жыл бұрын
3rd, I’m slacking…
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
Not like you to come 3rd... ~Stephen
@Dryan91
@Dryan91 Жыл бұрын
How come GG and elrond didn't resist the chill soul on their horses?
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
Spells affect the target itself and not the model, as the horse doesn't have any will it gets munched ~Elliot
@Dryan91
@Dryan91 Жыл бұрын
@@anyheroics under the cavalry section there's a subheading cavalry and magical powers. The model as a whole is the target and either mount or rider can spend will to resist.
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
@@Dryan91 Hi Aussie Similarly to Black Dart the caster chooses which part of the model that is affected. It does specify this in the spell description on the magic page ~Stephen
@craig3111
@craig3111 Жыл бұрын
A few orc captains or shaman to immobilise the heroes would have done more than Shelob. Or a troll for hitting power And the seige bow was a waste!
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
Siege bow is 10/10 get in the bin ~Elliot
@craig3111
@craig3111 Жыл бұрын
If it rolled well I’d be saying how amazing it is!
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
@@craig3111 Siege bow is 2/10, it can get in the bin ~Stephen
@craig3111
@craig3111 Жыл бұрын
Shame to see Sauron fluff his rolls and not do any damage at all. Against GG and Elrond he’s just outmatched in terms of might and fight
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
Agreed - not being able to move means he's just a very expensive F9 troll ~Stephen
@craig3111
@craig3111 Жыл бұрын
Shelob getting only one attack seems crap!! Standard captains or orc trackers get two!
@foehammer1172
@foehammer1172 Жыл бұрын
On the charge she gets 2, and with monstrous charge she's knocking cavalry prone too. 4 dice to wound re-rolling any failed to wounds at F7 str 7 - it adds up.
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
Exactly as said by foe hammer, even if she had 2 attacks it would get silly - 3 on the charge for 6 re-rollable S7 wounds is a bit grim. My issue was wasting her on troops instead of assassinating Elrond for example ~Elliot
@lukearthur6957
@lukearthur6957 Жыл бұрын
Sauron can Transfix Gil Galad 18" away on a 2+ with a free point of will rach turn, he only has 3 will and no resistance to Magic. You could have kept him trapped or bled his will for at least 3 turns. Also storing Might to keep Sharon alive rather than bleeding out the Elvish Might feels like the wrong call. Because reduce all those Heroes to no Might and Sauron has the advantage against literally anything on the table and far greater staying power. Sauron with no Might and all his wounds is far more durable than both GG and Elrond with no Might and all their wounds. Equal Fight values between GG and Sauron and Sauron can transfix GG, the Elves can't do anything like that in return. Sauron with Rend is wounding on 3's, the Elves on 6s or 5 bys. Basically in an attritional contest Sauron is superior in every sense if you just play it cool. He's basically Saruman who is also a Troll Chieftan. Keep him back, drain resources then beat everyone up. Charging a spellcaster straight into combat against heroes who *want to fight* just dosent make any sense. Also Shelob is an amazing assassin against heroes if you give her a babysitter but she's a bit wasted on regular troops unless the aim is to get a throw down the flanks or something . If you run this list in future try this, keep her as counter charge security for Sauron, keep her a long way away from him but just in movement range. Even better if you can place some obstacles in between her and Sauron because she dosen't care about them. Gives you more attack dice to throw, if you win the combat against anything that's not S7 she's throwing 4 S7 strikes with re-rolls and Sauron 8 S8. Very few models survivng that.
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
I absolutely should've kept GG down, you're 100% right there. I will disagree with you for Sharon's might, although I'm by no means a pro! I feel like 1 might should be kept behind at all times, you simply can't risk a 400pt model going down when you roll that 1! The might attrition is an interesting comment though, although I'd maybe float GG's elven blade gives him the edge combined with Lord of the west. I was also weary of sitting back with my D5 army against a bunch of hungry elf bows, but again maybe I see Sauron as a combat hero rather than the spellcaster! And I used Shelob at a 1/10 capacity in this game I'm under no illusion, highlighted by the 900 IQ barge - I blame the fact it wasn't my actual Shelob :D The wombo combo is definitely something to try out, next batrep I've got you covered;) ~Elliot
@usanve8335
@usanve8335 Жыл бұрын
The worst back away barge I ever seen
@Ichigo1259
@Ichigo1259 Жыл бұрын
Your not supposed to reveal the objectives when playing Fog of War are you? You identified each other’s terrain pieces at the start of the game - you know what the other person is going for. Kind of ruins the mission in my opinion.
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
Hey InfiniteEdge! No, it was a statement of which terrain pieces we could be going for as we agreed not to go for ones that overlapped both board edges. For Elliot he *had* to kill Gil-Galad as he was my only non-leader hero and I *had* to protect him for the same reason. We didn't tell each other anything that wasn't 100% obvious :) I agree, the scenario is all about mind-tricks and that's how we love to play it! ~Stephen
@MVeminor7
@MVeminor7 Жыл бұрын
Hi guys, I play Barad-Dur and this army list is very interesting. To include Black Numenoreans is really cool. The siege bow is great! I haven't gotten to the end yet but it looks like a good match-up. Thanks PS did you see my comment in the Moria Khand game? I left a question.
@anyheroics
@anyheroics Жыл бұрын
Thanks Michael :) Nice to see your name pop up again! The Siege bow is a bit hit and miss but it can do bits... Not sure what you mean about the Moria/Khand game? Might be another channel ~Stephen
@MVeminor7
@MVeminor7 Жыл бұрын
@@anyheroics Shit, I did get you confused with another channel. Sorry. My question is - When a full warband doesn't get onto the board (due to terrain constraints) does the rest of the warband have to roll to get on or do they just get into the game when there is room for them? Do they get on in the next move phase? Thanks and again sorry for the confusion. PS it was Rogue Flight Painting, if you are interested.
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