I think that the point was that he needed to save Harley. Also, the joker could save himself easily, but refused to.

It’s more than that, Harley’s life was also on the line, more of “who should I save” and Batman chose

@@jdcrosier2682 Precisely. Harley couldn't save herself, she set up the scenario specifically so that she couldn't. Going for saving her was the only choice available where both could survive.

Not quite right Bale's Batman could have save Ra's but he decided to not do it If this was really to be Joker's death, Batman knew that he tried everything he could to save him, but wasn't possible (Sorry if the redaction isn't the best, English is not my primary language)

works better

That’s the worst thing joker has ever done 💀

Where was that

better than being Darkseid's butler

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​@@ntsproductions567 he has done worse shits sadly

thats why joker was so offended at alfred laughing, he knew alfred was laughing at HIM

Dead or alive, That Karma moment was EPIC

Yeah if he didnt mean that before he totally did now imagine being alfred in that situation

@@InitialPC He was doing the "stupid idiot did you really think you could beat master bruce"

Alfred getting some last minute payback in the form of mocking Joker as he dies was a delight

I think the reason why they keep them alive is because they have to. Since different writers all work on DC, they need some sort of continuation for new/different writers to work on the story. But I feel like your write because we already have alternate universes and we could use that.

@@popdog165 They do it because if they keep the villain alive, they don't have to keep coming up with new villains every issue. Of course, they could just do what manga and manhaw does, have the villain last a few dozen issues through their power and cunning, then when the hero can kill the villain, actually kill them and go on to the next arc.

@@immortalfrieza they wouldn’t risk that tbh unlike manhwa and mangas with only one universe the dc universe itself is already a mess with all the planets and universes now coming up with new villains everytime the previous dies will cause the universe to be more of a mess than it already is adding a they should actually stop milking it and let joker die and let someone replace him already it’s kinda plain now there are still plenty of villains out there

You literally cannot kill the Joker, he’s essentially immortal at this point and killing him anywhere that isn’t the middle of nowhere would essentially just release the Joker Toxin within him and create a new Joker anyway. Your problem with these stories aren’t the stories themselves, it’s the fact you don’t actually read them.

@@popdog165 I agree, but it heavily undermines any impact the stories have. There's no object permanence when it comes to plot points. It's rare that something carries over for longer than a couple arcs.

Batman wouldn't just slap Joker in a box on his own in the middle of nowhere. That's still akin to execution, just slower. Unless, the cell Joker was put in was automated and would keep him supplied with whatever he needs to survive. The problem is it would need resupplying every now and then, people delivering food and water and removing waste. As long as there's a human factor, there's the possibility that Joker will escape.

Could have locked him up in the bat cave

Would that be justice, or one man's control freak?

From what I know, Batman probably wouldn't do it anyways- He believes that one man shouldn't be the one deciding people's fates. That's why he hands people off to the cops, instead of just permanently offing them. If he kills or locks a person away by himself, then in his eyes, he's placing himself above the law. Which means that if Gotham were to start executing criminals legally, then Batman would probably just let that slide...

Even if Joker dies, another Joker will show up to take his place and nothing will change.

​@@the_jingo In Batman defense there was no redemption for Alfred. Once someone was affected by the Joker gas , his fate was mostly sealed. Furthermore he has a good view of Joker desesperation, thats something not everyone has the chance to see that.

He had enough of joker

@@JoseViktor4099 didn't batman make a cure for superman when he went undercover to try to make an alliance with the batman who laughs

@@anfalse I don't know if thats even the same virus really. In some cases Batman can cure while in other doesn't. I wondered why Batman didn't made a cure for the Batman Who laughts too.

@@anfalse I think the Joker Virus and the Joker Gas are two different things. The gas is a neurotoxin, I think, hard to make a cure for somethign that literally breaks your nervous system. The Virus was a sickness, that could be treated.

Yup i liked Harley alot in this story

ever since she got out from under the joker's control and has been at least trying to walk the more straight and narrow, Harley very much feels like bruce's educated conscience in these moments which is great. she's literally the only person who truly knows joker inside and out, having done his psych profile before falling for him and then having lived with him personally, she is to the clown what Jane Goodall is to chimps. as long as she's not compromised by joker, batman has no reason not to trust her judgment of Joker. i'd even go so far as to say that batman might have actually attempted to save joker had it not been for harley saying "Honey. you're talking to the wrong girl if you think he's not dangerous in arkham..." that statement said volumes, joker corrupted her there, arkham is where he has time to plan and can ally with other inmates, and the existence of Punchline is a statement that what he did to harley he can do again, and again, if given the opportunity, regardless of localtion or security. this doesn't just imply he'll be a lethal threat again if he lives, but also makes clear he has the potential to self-replicate, to create "clones" or "acolytes". so far Bruce has been lucky in that harley and punchline were/are both on joker's leash. but what if he creates independents? Punchline sought him out, she was already compromised before they had met. what if the next one doesn't try to find joker? what if the next one decides to rival joker instead? gotham is already chaotic and unpredictable enough, the last thing bruce needs is a city-wide clownshow sleeper cell. Joker has the potential to kill hundreds of people, and harley's statement just caused that number to multiply exponentially inside Bruce's mind. i mean we've seen batman carry smallscale portable EMPs in his belt before, he COULD have just dropped one frying the whole timing and ignition mechanism for the bomb on joker and then ran after harley. He didn't. that was a choice.

having my shoulder dislocated- the putting back in of the socket hardly hurt at all compared to when it was out

@@carlosandleon "compared to" being the key

@@therealcatgodWe're talking mentally here, so that'd be akin to making yourself braindead.

@@therealcatgod That's... not at all what I meant. If we're talking metaphors, we have to change everything to metaphors. We can't keep anaesthesia as its literal form if everything is else mental.

It's like getting away from a toxic relationship

Well the artist is back in the latest issue!

@@mouse2859who is it? what issue is this?

The artist's name is Jorge Jimenez. Amazing art.

Frank millers sin city ftw

​@@spade8094jim lee's better lel even selling most comic books for his time (uncanny xmen) and he did batman stuff which i like his artstyle so much

And the ending was so stupid, the way the Joker managed to 'escape.' Just freaking move on, or at least stop dipping into the well every time.

Writers are really incompetent.

Its so dumb of DC to not actually have the Joker die cause if he did then the comic wouldve gotten a ton of publicity being the one making headlines "The Joker finally gets killed" but instead of that I never heard of this comic and wouldntve known it existed if I didnt see this video...

I honestly think someone wrote the story and it ended with "then Harley shot him in the face", but then some producer was like "- but he's the joker, shooting him in the face doesn't kill him, so make him inexplicably shrug off getting shot in the face and also sneaks away in the end"

And 2 years from now, they have no Joker character to sell books with

fr she hot asf

They drew everyone good lol, look at that joker bat suit. That shit is so clean

😂 yeah I can see that.

​@@Eking-su3tr yeah, but that's why it's so noteworthy. I mean, look at the injustice game, with their women having strong, manly jaws.

The artist's name is Jorge Jimenez, he makes amazing artwork.

For real bro, it's time for the joker be gone

I think it’s the other way around

Joker needs Batman But people don't seem to understand that Batman does not need the Joker.

@@Soulful_Sorrow Oh really, I suppose the whole story arc where Alfred turns himself into the Joker so that Bruce can continue on his path is meaningless 🤔🤔🤔

@ChuRa It's one interpretation. In that same story, nobody really got hurt until Batman was shot and killed by an actor who thought he really was the Riddler. That's the whole point of stories like Death of the Family and Arkham Knight. Batman could walk away from Joker at any time, but he won't because saving him would be his greatest victory. Bats won't turn his back on anyone, not even him. Joker doesn't have a choice. He's too obsessed, and he has nothing else worth living for outside of the game. If Batman died, no more Joker. If Joker died, too bad, now Two-Face is Batman's arch enemy.

as much as i admire bruce's no kill rule, i gotta agree, lazarus pit revival idea is absolute bull

because ra's was about to drop deadly bloody virus and joker was the one who'd seen them last time

​@@harshpherwani6590 I mean like this multiple ways of revival in DC even to black lantern rings I don't understand why people say oh just kill him I'm like do you have any Idea how many ways for these characters to come back to life. Or get replaced Hey remember in 20 or 90s green arrow died and he got replaced with an alternative reality version of himself that was exactly like that version of green arrow that happened. I adult swim made a parody of that.

@@lonelywolf5659 I don't think they think it's stupid for him to revive, but to have BATMAN bringing Joker back to life is, in itself, stupid.

Thats canon? Because if batman did he is an active murderer

He pulled the Batman Arkham City treatment on him

I always thought they could Kill Joker and replace him with a successor Joker like every other villain, just let the main one die so fans don't always have to do that cat and mouse argument.

@HELLO KORO yeah but the jokers a one of a kind, hell even in the three jokers story each one is still unique from the other two. to replace the joker would not continue a legacy but to replace it is the issue, they have to finally put an end to the joke all together before a new one can be made.

Honestly at this point i think having joker become an anti hero would be a nice change of pace, and not as an one off/what if scenario but as a continuation of the mainline. Or as you said, just kill him off.

So like owlman kinda?

@@Darknessblade4me Isn’t that just what they’ve been trying to do with Harley as of late?

He already had two eyes by the end.

SPOILER ALERT: he still has only one eye, so far.

he got shot in the eye... which happens to be attached to your face.... you can get shot in the eye and live the same way you can't get shot in the forehead... joker got domed by Harley but the story really does just treat it like she was using a nerf gun, or at most a throwing a soft ball at the guy

@@jamesmoniz5263 I'm not going to claim to be an expert on surviving gun shots or anything - but there is precedence for people surviving an unreasonable level of head and brain injuries. Usually not without long-term or permanent consequences, though, such as loss of cognitive function or other medical complications. Is it far fetched? Absolutely. Will I say with absolute certainty that it is impossible to survive that shot? No. Unlikely, but probably not completely impossible. The fact that he barely flinched or cared seems the bigger issue, than the actual damage done.

i kinda agree actually. they keep trying to solve this every time they reboot by remixing and reorganizing their alternate universes so everything is self contained and makes sense, which could have worked had they done it right the first time, but they've screwed the pooch so much now they need to stop trying to make it fit inside the canon. they need to just say none of the regular runs are "Canon", just random stories, and then clearly specify canon for limited run series and graphic novels. this way they can say "these three stories are canon to eachother, but have no bearing on the regular run issues". this would allow them to say "this story is in the Year One Canon" or "this story is in the Dark Knight Returns Canon" without worrying about what that means for the regular writing team, and as a bonus would allow them to make money off packaging more comic/graphic novel collected sets. we used to be able to do this by writer, saying "This is Grell's Green arrow" or "this is Morrison's batman", but now writers do extended runs on comics and often come off and on the same project, writing issues 1-35, leaving to work on a Flash or a Green Lantern comic, then coming back for issues 73-102, etc. etc., and making it all too muddy to stay consistent. problem with the Manga idea is, have you read manga? a lot of that stuff goes for ridiculously long runs with massive filler arcs and some of it intentionally keeps making up new junk so they sometimes never reach the conclusion. now put the people at DC behind the wheel of that. you MIGHT get your perfect batman story, but you'll definitely never see it's conclusion and the filler will get stale fast. then we're right back here again.

which is why you have dc vertigo and image comics

​@@gourdguru​@gourdguru regarding filler, I feel that is something we probably see more in a weekly series, like those in Shonen Jump as well as anime adaptations of ongoing works. So you could probably avoid that by not making it a weekly, and planning the story out in advance.

Comic books are just soap operas for nerds. Always have been, always will be.

also that the joker can get shot in the head and shrug it off... can we just stop pretending these guys don't have super powers?

flat? for the story to have a resolution after the climax...(I get comics are basically soap operas so you can't just write a good story if it doesn't leave open the potential for 100 other stories with the same characters)

Very low rent

Would you rather deal with Gotham crime sprees or Cosmic Horrors in Metropolis, Literal Mandela Effects in Central City and Segregation in Star City. These DC places got it rough ngl

@@Rhino-Prime i wonder how health insurance works in Gotham or life insurance

​@@HELLO_KORO if i lived in the DC universe i would stay away from the big cities or move to another country

@@miladhamrah2869 How do you think? 😂 Bats just pay for everything he smashed 😂 I mean, Bruce Wayne is well know "filantropist" 😂 Not very many people know about his borderlined mental condition which forces him to go out night after the night and beat "bad people" into the bloody pulps 😂

Batman and Harley Quinn always have great chemistry; they have the whole "opposite duality" thing going on, that defines his relationship with the Joker, but Harley being more of a sympathetic and relatable character makes their interactions far more intricate and complex. Joker and Batman always just fights, even when Joker is trying to "teach him a lesson" or something, it never really lands with Batman, because to Batman Joker is just a villain doing villain things - and any potential learning experience he might find in a battle with Joker is entirely incidental. With Harley, she can genuinely challenge his world views in a way that Joker, being exclusively antagonistic, never could. Not to mention, that Harley's entire existence is practically a physical representation of Batman's failure to deal with the Joker, and embodies the harm Joker inflicts on innocent people during their long and repetitive history of fighting for Gotham. Harley's very character is in itself a sort of criticism of Batman's strict no-kill rule (whatever you may think of that rule).

Blame the Arkham Asylum and the Police Force for that. I dont think Ive ever seen them execute a death sentence for anyone tbh, no matter cruel the villains might be. Or because they might have some god-tier lawyers 😅

@@edrius154 1. Joker is legally classified as criminally insane, and therefore dodges the death sentence even in most states that have it, except for the most heinous, like texas, which will execute mentally unwell and mentally handicapped people without a second thought. pretty sure if you got the mind of an 8-year old, they'll wrap the electric chair in a red suit and tell you to go sit on santa's lap. 2. Gotham doesn't have the death penalty. gotham is technically in New Jersey state, but every city gotham has ever been based on(chicago, new york city, newark/jersey city) are in states that don't allow the death penalty. illinois didn't allow the death penalty until the seventy's, and then reverted back to not allowing it in the early 2000s. new jersey brought it back in '82, but got rid of it again in '07. new york brought it back in '95 and then banned it again in '04, and in '08 they had no more death row inmates and they removed all execution equipment from the NY prisons, so they don't even have the facilities, even if the law was reverted they'd have to spend a fat stack of taxpayer money to reinstall everything. IF the joker couldn't use the insanity plea, there would have been a small window of just over a decade in the late 80's to early 2000's in which they would have been able to execute him, starting from right around the time he murdered jason todd in "A Death in the Family". even if he was caught by superman in Metropolis, D.C. also is a no death penalty state. the closest death penalty state that could accomodate would be Ohio or North Carolina, unless Pennsylvania repeals their moratorium.

He says to the Joker you can deactivate yourself you've got the gadgets, but Joker is a narcissist and wants Batman to save him instead.

maybe if gotham were in texas. they have no problem frying the mentally unwell and mentally handicapped. at the very least, batman should pull a Bane and segment joker's spine. hard to break out of arkham when you're paralyzed below the L3 vertebrae.

​@@gourdguruYou know even that won't work. Jojer would just get somebody smart to be kidnapoed, just to get his spine fixed, or get cybernetic augments.

@@gourdguruwell, if you rape an underage girl and then impale her with a piece of lumber before smashing her face into paste with a chunk of concrete maybe it’s not worth the money to attempt to rehabilitate you

Lobotomy should work.

Looking for someone to blame? Let's kill the judge too then by your logic. Find another way.

Thanks bro

Thank you and William. That's a really helpful thing to know lol. I can't believe just left it out, didn't bother to tell us at all.

To be fair, that bar for Harlene is so low it burrows through the earth and ends up in China.

Ive thought about that before. In truth bruce is always on the edge of the abyss with how fragile he is along with his own rogues gallery. What better a partner than a therapist? Plus it would maybe eventually give her a chance to reenter society proper, if done correctly

This. I always shipped these two ever since the 90s animated series. They have this connection especially when she has her moments when she flirted with Bruce Wayne, and when she kissed him as Batman.

@@immortalfrieza Im also alittle sick of bruce always doing a "sort of but not really "thing with selina...He needs to drop her.

@@keonkla Yep, Catwoman and Batman will never work because she's a criminal and Bruce is always going to choose bringing her in over a relationship. Have Bruce have a go of it with a superheroine instead. Though someone who is a badass normal like he is. Bruce has been shipped with Wonder Woman before and that ship was never going to go anywhere because if they did get serious and she moved to Gotham Diana would make playthings out of all Batman's villains. Go with someone who actually has a chance, maybe even someone who is just as obsessed with stopping crime as he is. Hell, make one if they need to.

Writers are always fucking with Alfred just to make Batfamily sad. Man is constantly being fridged.

Batman doesn't kill because he doesn't want to. Superman doesn't kill because he doesn't *need* to.

"I always thought maybe Superman could stick these morons in the Phantom Zone" one side of me says that's brilliant, the other side of me says the last thing i want is for Joker and Zod to get to talking in a dimension where they literally have infinite time because time doesn't exist. assuming he DOES get out, think of what joker could do with an in-depth lesson on kryptonian biology from an actual kryptonian.

Superman doesn't have the rule, and yet he's not willing to kill Mongul, who is more of a psychopath than even Joker and has a higher kill count. He also stopped Batman from using a nuke against an alien fleet that's invading Earth.

@@twinodoom Superman does and has killed tho?

@@OmniDan26 Exceptions that prove the rule.

This way of doing it seemed more elegant. Plus it seemed more like their style to use bombs instead of guns.

it wouldn't have meant anything then. sure the joker is just as dead and just as irrelevent, but think outside the moment: the full details wouldn't be known, just the bullet points, IE the rumor in the streets would be either "Harley killed joker" or "batman blew up joker". if Joker is wiped by Harley, it's just an ex-lovers' quarrel at best and a criminal taking out the competition at worst. in the first case it wouldn't even register with people, the attitude would be "Huh...GOOD for HER." and then back to business as usual, and in the second case the attitude would be "another day, another turf war" and back to business as usual. if it plays out the way harley intended, the implications would shake the underworld of gotham. assume you're a two bit thug, or a minor villain; if you just heard through the grapevine that "Batman finally snapped and vaporized the joker with Semtex/c-4", are you gonna be going out to rob that bank tonight knowing that batman may have just decided playing nice and catching you, and dropping you in Arkham or Blackgate isn't worth the effort? not likely. harley was trying to make a rumor about batman that batman would never willingly create about himself. she wanted his legend to cross that line he himself wouldn't, in the hopes that, at least for a while, the fear of a batman without ethic would make everyone else go to ground and keep under the radar, and incentivize less major terroristic crime and get gotham back to a place where muggings and carjackings and gang gun/drug buys are the largest issues on the table. at least until someone grows a pair and tests the boundaries.

Honestly, the way I see it, it almost seems like Harley is giving Batman a therapy session for this moment. As a way to help him break away his obsession of saving those that don't deserve saving.

the thing with batman's killing is it has to find a balance. you can't do what the Batman VS Superman movie did, where batman has no regard and is literally just shattering skulls against walls for no reason, attempting to kill superman just because, and then expecting me to think batman cares, or expecting me to think saying his mom's name was gonna change anything in that moment. his killing in that film for the most part worked against the story and his character. no amount of alfred joking about wind-up penguins and "Simpler times" is going to counter this and make me believe bruce USED to have ethical consistency. same problem the early comics had, batman used to kill fairly often in the 40s, the problem was comics were so minimalist at that time that they had the ability to stress his no killing rule but didn't have the time to set up any depth of reason when he does. prime example, there's an old comic where a man is mutated against his will and running wild spreading the mutagen. the comic has batman develop an antidote, but he never even attempts to use it on the original victim, instead he just flies over the guy in the batplane throws a noose around his neck and Hangs him to death from the plane's wing with zero justification. the comic basically ends on the note "Sucks to be you bro". if that were a silver age era comic when stories got more detailed and comics were slightly longer they might have given us a panel of him trying to administer the antidote and failing, leaving him no other option. THEN it would work for his character. going back to BvS for a second, batman using his grappling hook to throw a 200 pound crate at a thug's head and splatter brain across the wall in the warehouse fight or snapping a guys neck by suplexing him on his skull is not cool. batman using the thug's gun to fire clearing rounds around the room not to kill people but to create space/distance and control the battlefield IS cool. batman using the batplane's antimaterial guns to take out those 5 armed and armored SUVs full of hostiles is perfectly fine(there was no way for him to deal with that many heavily armed guys efficiently, or honestly at all, and he was on a timeline trying to save a hostage and didn't have time to screw around). the first mention of batman's no killing code back in the original comics said batman never kills *with a gun*, and i think that gives us a good point to anchor to. batman avoids killing unless necessary, but it isn't a religious conviction, however not killing with a firearm IS a religious conviction. this doesn't mean he won't USE guns, but that he will either use lethal rounds from a dropped gun to target a tactical advantage in a pinch like a gasoline barrel or the lynchpin holding up a shipping container on a crane, or use less than lethal ammunition against human targets(tear gas rounds and rubber bullets), or utilitarian ammo that the gun serves as a delivery system for(tranquilizer darts, tracking beacons, long range grapnel launchers etc). as an example, let's go back to BvS and the armored SUVs. instead of him firing antimaterial rounds from the batplane he could have fired tear gas and smoke rounds, and then taken them out in hand to hand in the resulting confusion. this still would have been a waste of valuable time trying to save martha and i still think smoking the whole lineup was the right call, but the point is, that's how you write a batman that will pull the trigger till it empties the magazine and goes "CLICK", without compromising the character's ethics. unfortunately too many writers want to do authoritarian hardliner batman, and use this attitude that batman deep down is a black and white extremist and is afraid that one's he decides to be judge jury and executioner to Joker, the pandora's box is open and next it'll be Scarecrow, then Dent, and so on and so forth until he's stacking the corpses of ventriloquist and clock king right along with the rest. considering how much they hammer on batman's spiritual and mental discipline over and over again, it really comes off as a cop out and exceptionally bad writing. as to joker's execution: 1. Joker is legally classified as criminally insane, and therefore dodges the death sentence even in most states that have it, except for the most heinous, like texas, which will execute mentally unwell and mentally handicapped people without a second thought. pretty sure if you got the mind of an 8-year old, they'll wrap the electric chair in a red suit and tell you to go sit on santa's lap. 2. Gotham doesn't have the death penalty. gotham is technically in New Jersey state, but every city gotham has ever been based on(chicago, new york city, newark/jersey city) are in states that don't allow the death penalty. illinois didn't allow the death penalty until the seventy's, and then reverted back to not allowing it in the early 2000s. new jersey brought it back in '82, but got rid of it again in '07. new york brought it back in '95 and then banned it again in '04, and in '08 they had no more death row inmates and they removed all execution equipment from the NY prisons, so they don't even have the facilities, even if the law was reverted they'd have to spend a fat stack of taxpayer money to reinstall everything. IF the joker couldn't use the insanity plea, there would have been a small window of just over a decade in the late 80's to early 2000's in which they would have been able to execute him, starting from right around the time he murdered jason todd in "A Death in the Family". even if he was caught by superman in Metropolis, Washington D.C. also is a no death penalty state. the closest death penalty state that could accomodate would be Ohio or North Carolina, unless Pennsylvania repeals their moratorium.

Yup, "Kill only as a last resort" is a better moral code than "kill all threats" or "no killing ever"