Good scene, still a terrible movie.

One good scene doesn’t make a movie good tho.

​@@chasehedges6775 for a movie you dislike, you sure do comment a lot. Zack Snyder says thanks for your 'unnecessary input'

​@@pa.encema2821 I was thinking this also haha

@@chasehedges6775 no one asked he's allowed to like the movie you know just because it's not good to you doesn't mean it isn't to him

I couldn’t agree more

I just wish he had better writing, he had so much potential and was screwed over

​@@dylanburton4955 his batman was perfectly written wdym

@@Jakester1472 The killing was just wrong for Batman, it was a chance to get one of the most comic book accurate portrayals of the character but they had him just killing people and it’s wrong I’m aware he’s killed in other films and even in the early comics but Batmans no killing rule is such an essential and interesting part of the character and having him cross that line is a line too far, him killing so much makes him just as bad as the villains he faces The comic they based their version off mostly which is the dark knight returns, that Batman similar to Batfleck is darker, battle hardened, older and more cynical yet he still sticks to his No killing rule, he’s just more brutal in his combat now I thought it would have been a better choice to have him go to the brink of killing but not go through with it, at least then it keeps in character with Batman And it doesn’t even make sense in universe for him to be killing people. If he’s killing low level thugs why doesn’t he just kill The Joker? 20 years of been Batman surely he’s had plenty of chances and if he has no issue killing people then surely he’d be killing villains like that

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@@dylanburton4955 I love batman killing people I don't think it's out of line for him at all considering the Ben affleck batman lost Robin and his parents and went crazy and became a criminal

Right. These fanatics wanted the campy reeve happy all the time version

​@@bofawhatsbofa4593You fools are never happy. Wben Cavill was first cast, everyone said Routh was their Superman. When Affleck was cast, everyone said he was a big joke. Thry wanted Bale. The cycle will repeat with the next cast.

did you just say your opinion is underrated lol.

@@The_Hulkster who is “you fools”? 🤦🏽‍♂️ I see reading compression isn’t your strong suit. I said “these fanatic wanted” Where does it suggest I’m part of them?

@@bofawhatsbofa4593 People like you are the reason we don't have Henry or Affleck returning as Batman and Superman. Always complaining and whining about having Reeve back. You never gave Henry a chance and when you did, it was too late. I wish I could throw a shoe at a every person that didn't want Henry as superman or wanted him to be a happy go lucky goof like the 70s and 80s Superman. The future is now, old man

Sorry for your loss. I still have both my parents but I know one day the end will come but I cherish each and every day I get to text them or call them to tell them I love them

ZSJL does make this movie better in some ways.

Same here. One of fav CBM along with MoS and ZSJL. But I still think Watchmen is Zack's peak directorial.

One thing I like that people hate about this movie is Jesse as Lex Luthor. I loved him in this. In the scene with Deathstroke in ZSJL his demeanor is more comic accurate

@@Jay-gq1mo Same here. They focussed more on the character than the appearence. Jesse killed it as Lex. It's a shame that most of the people think Lex is just a blad rich man who hates Superman. His motivations are more than that.

Which was its downfall.

That was the studio imposing on Snyder. He didn't even want to do BvS, favouring instead Man of Steel II. And it was also the studio that kept insisting on Snyder making the story ever more darker.

@@Haunted_Peru ehh i think synder said that putting batman in a superman sequel is his idea?

​@@kenny8712 yes. But he wanted to do it after another Superman solo movie. Also, he wanted the movie to be titled just 'Dawn Of Justice'. But WB changed it to 'Batman V Superman' for hyping the audience.

Studio imposing snyder to bring Justice League even with 3 movie is trully amazing...with those great pressure by those Execs, Snyder still able bring out most greatest pantheon of DC Superhero story in history....

Yes

Perfectly put

What's harder to understand is how she knew exactly where they were and showed up just in time to clarify the name issue lmao.. or how batman getting thrown several blocks to the same building he just happened to have the spear stashed. Badly written film.

@@cameleyez bro that is stuff that falls within suspension of disbelief for most movies. Do you question how thor knew to go to Wakanda in infinity war? You don't even know how long Lois was looking

@@vinniedavies7047 I understand suspension of disbelief but it's still bad writing. Along with the Martha stuff.

A lot of people said it was it was terrible and even Jeremy Irons called it “Overstuffed and Convoluted”

Amazed by how horrible it was? Lol.

@@nathanielbacon2661😂😂👍

It has aged like fine wine

@@Pleasing_view it only came out in 2016 it wasn’t that long ago

No it wasn't. It's the same shit movie, just longer

@@ericdxfan511it’s not shit

It's one of my favorite films of all time

Yeah people always criticize Snyder and Goyer for stuffing too much into it but they wanted to make MoS 2. It was WB that forced them to include Batman and Wonder Woman because they wanted their cinematic universe with no patience

Hell yeah! It's probably my favorite superhero movie and I'm a big fan of godzilla too.

Yupp same stupid comment gets made in every review for some reason,it's basically an excuse to give the movie a negative since only mouth breathers don't understand it.

Good moments don’t change the fact that this movies sucks

Ben Affleck deserves better

​@@chasehedges6775 except it's your opinion that sucks

@@michaelb2226 not really

@@mrbluesky4838 that's your opinion

I LOVE Ben as Batman also,one of the high-lights of the film for me.I remember the-BATMAN-film Ben was supposed to direct and star in,wish it would've been made.

Why was Ben perfect to you? I didn’t think he was awful but haven’t ever been able to be immersed with his portrayal compared to others before him. Ben was just okay to me I don’t get the amount of praise he got.

@@John-Doe-Yo Not perfect,just darn good portrayal of BATS.He embodied Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns-BATS- to me.Gritty,no-holds barred,willing to do what needs to be done to complete a mission. He had the physique of an older-BATS-and kicked butt much &&& too !!! LOL. Ben has come a very-LONG-way from doing films with J-LO ( back in those days he was considered a pretty-boy )

@@powerbadpowerbad Fair enough.

@@John-Doe-Yo Thank you.

Uhhhh no. An ultimate cut DID NOT change the fact that Superman was brooding and miserable and emo and without hope the entire film. And that is the exact opposite of what Superman is supposed to be. Also Batman IS NOT supposed to be a murderer. And he does not brand people. These decisions were not studio decisions. They were Zack Snyder’s terrible decisions. So let’s stop acting like if the studio left Zack Snyder alone then everything would have been ok. Snyder never cared about the true essence of who Batman and Superman are in the comics and what makes them iconic

Facts and facts. People hate what they don’t understand. This movie was a head of its time. If it came out today, people would love it

Nah, terrible writing.

I thought that was always understood? If he had said "save my mother" Batman would have had no idea who that was, probably assumed it was an alien and, even if he did think of a human wouldnt have had a starting place to search.

@@Mwezi828 I dunno. All I heard people say was why did he say save Martha and not I need you to help me save my mum. Batman wouldn't know either way he said it. Superman probably had a concussion by this point. Maybe that's the answer.

​@@cameleyez A mother's love connect both of them.. unless ..u dont have a mom..duhh

B@@cameleyez those two words for people with shorter attention span.

It really isn't much different. I suppose it's the better cut but it hardly elevates the movie much higher than where it was.

​@@cameleyez Cut or not .it made money..after aquaman 1..all of dc movies flop hard😂

​@@power279 well you forgot the first joker as well...

​@@cameleyezthat just simpliy isn't true. The theatrical cut had huge chunks cut out that totally destroyed the story and it made no sense. It's wildly different than the UC

​@@power279 Aquaman made the Box Office $ BvS SHOULD'VE made. That's pathetic

The concept behind the scene is solid! It *couldve* been really impactful. If it weren’t written in a silly goofy way. People call it silly because it was written poorly. It’s not that it was misunderstood, it’s that it didn’t resonate with the majority of viewers and that’s not a fault of the viewers, but of the people who made the film.

@@That1DogGuy I agree a lot of people know what Zack was trying to do. But then there are people who say having the same name for their mothers is cringey, I mean seriously guys, read the comics first. The scene seemed a little rushed and that's probably because WB doesn't care about director's vision. I bet they thought oh the movie is way to dark and serious, let's make him shove some humor at the end of the fight.

The problem is that it feels forced for Superman to call his mother “Martha” for no reason whatsoever

@@That1DogGuy "If it weren’t written in a silly goofy way. " from a certain point of view which only highlighted the short attention span. Amazing some viewers failed to hear the first part: "You're letting him kill Martha" from a struggling Clark Kent with a steel boot on his chest and a kryptonite on him while trying to snap Bruce's hunting mindset. The visual showed why yet some people managed to ignore those details. How else would you like an agonizing character deliver a message?

​@@Tippotipoyour right I just watched the 4k and it's epic

Such a crazy world we live in.

The downfall Of Disney is just depressing yet karmic

And it's not something new, they really screwed up Richard Donner with the first two Superman movies and then Tim Burton with the Batman film series.

@@rorschach36 👍👍👍

Warner has kinda always had a history of screwing up their superhero films Superman II ended up been a mess cuz they fired Richard Donner and brought Richard Lester which then of course led to Superman III, at least we got the Donner cut which is much better then the theatrical version Batman 89 and Batman Returns were good films but then they screwed it up yet again by firing Burton and it all led to Batman & Robin

Valid? Yes. Well written and executed? No.

@@j.a.weishaupt1748 I can agree

​@@j.a.weishaupt1748 wrong

dont trust the critics.. funnily enough..zack works made money.. this bvs made 874 million worldwide. and im not yet talking about the homesales dvd and marchandise sales.

Because Batman kills, back before the golden age in comics he used to straight up murder criminals with the gun that killed his parents.

Some people thought Ben Affleck should have had his solo movie first.

It was hated on social media before it even came out. Many made their opinions months before it came out so they were looking for anything, and I mean any little thing to hate the movie for.

For me, it was that they brought Doomsday in and killed Superman way too early. As well as the portrayals of Lex and Joker were horrible and those are arguably the 2 most important villains in all of D.C.

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31 Minutes cut? The movie fidnt need to be 3 Hours! Snyder just sucks at editing his films

@@ericdxfan511 Not even close. What an absolute superficial and subjective take. You’re just a Snyder Hater dawg. Cry to the wall.

The original Doomsday was refereed by the kryptonian ship as abomination and it was hinted the shattered kryptonian moon was its doing.

They were DESPERATE to be the MCU.

How ironic considering the decline of the MCU right now

This movie is nkthing like marvel's family friendly shit. That was the reason why critics hated it, it was too dark. Zack was doing something original and wb lost it's marbels. Now DC movies will be fun for the whole family smh

They simply tried to made a continuity in DC Universe which seems a foreign concept from WB executives. The latter were the problem because they disregard the long term strategy for greed.

damn batman really hitting supes with a kitchen sink, and i hate that ithe fight is simply batman and superman taking turns to punch each other in the face

Would've loved to have seen the Joker Team Up with Lex Luthor.

Thank Goodness Clark's Mother Wasn't Named Debra.

The conflict did NOT come to a halt when the two realized that their mothers had the same name. Hearing that name only enraged Bruce further, as he most likely thought it was some trick. It wasn't until Lois showed up and explained that Clark was referring to his own mother that Bruce calmed down. Learning that Superman isn't just the alien monster that can wipe out all life on Earth, and that he has a mother that he cares for, huminized this god-like figure that Bruce had spent the past 18 months obsessing over. In that moment, Bruce just saw a scared little boy trying to protect his mother, as he once did; and this snaps Batman out of his kill-rage.

My favorite Version of this Scene is in His/He's-How It Should Have Ended.

Except that Bruce wouldn't care with his rage-killing midnset as he saw Superman's parent as monsters. The details are right in front yet ignored.

I like Shazam.

@@anubusx Shazam looked average at best but kinda decent

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@theglassespro4557 It deserved better than this

@TheGlassesPro Same i wanted a proper sequel as well.

Lesser movie ? Civil War does not even know what a camera is, much less the notion of a score. Just BvS intro has more value than the whole civil war movie

@@EduFabolous If we're talking about visuals or soundtrack, BvS is light years ahead of Civil War, so no argument there. Having said that the last hour of BvS was just painful to sit through for me. The first two hours were like a drama with moments of action sprinkled through out which gave it great balance (aside from unnecessary cameos from other superheroes). then all of a sudden its not stop action in the last hour. that was what annoyed me the most. They were so close to making a great movie with the juxtaposition of thought provoking questions regarding superheroes in real life while simultaneously having the villain's plans work out at the back, but at the end everything became who can punch harder (like a generic action movie, think Fast and Furious or some of the mediocre Marvel films). Imagine if in the climax of The Dark Knight, instead of the moral dilemma regarding the boats and two face was switched with Twoface suddenly coming to his senses and help Batman catch Joker, making light of the situation all the way using quips. I like BvS but it has way too many flaws holding it back. So does Civil War. the difference is that Civil War stayed consistent with its storyline till the end. Its the exact opposite of BvS. I despised the last act of BvS, while on the other hand my fav in Civil War, was the last act.

@@captaindeadpool313 Civil War is just things happening without any consequence, and even the small amounts of it was retconned right away. As for the BvS battle, find me a super hero battle better than that, that’s how Gods fight, you might have not liked it but no super hero ( supers) fights have even come close to BvS. Civil War is basically like a Disney Chanel team up whatever whole BvS is actual cinema, you might not like the latter but what I just said is 100% true

@@EduFabolous If we're talking about gods fighting, MoS had a much better fight. BvS had a good concept but personally watching it all take place in the night ruined it for me. It had it moments like when WW showed up to save Batman with Epic music in the background, or when all 3 of them worked to kill Doomsday, but other than that, it was underwhelming in clarity, while overwhelming in cgi chaos. I don't mind seeing gods fight and leave carnage, but I need to see it properly to enjoy it. MoS did a far better job in that department, with a significantly better villian I may add. As for Civil War, I agree that for the most part the consequences were microscopic. One of many reasons I did not like the Airport fight as much as others, aside from horrible sense of geography. Seriously, if you rewatch that scene, its hard to tell where each character is at during the fight, they keep changing places despite being in an airport. that aside the best part of that movie, at least for me, was at the end when Tony finds out how his parents died. its kind of a thing for me that when usually comic characters get super serious, its entertaining like little else. Seeing Ironman ready to kill was a ton of fun. So much so 90% of my memory of that film is that 3 way at the end. As for the retconned part, I assume you're talking about the part Cap leaves the letter? I personally don't think it was retconned because it was Cap trying to reconcile, Not Tony. If it had been Tony, it would've ruined the movie. It fit Cap's character to a boy scout who favors one group member over other. Those BuckyXCap memes didn't come out of nowhere. BvS is, interns of filmmaking, more "cinema" I guess. it has far better shots, visuals, soundtrack, overall technical stuff, but personally, despite its own flaws, one thing Civil War had that BvS didn't was set up and pay off. BvS came close but the eagerness of the studio ruined it. It was hard to focus on how Superman came off to the world when we kept getting meaningless cameos. I personally think that if they deleted WW all together and just focused on Batman and Superman only, this movie would've been awesome. Civil war is not awesome per se, but its one of the better marvel movies since just like BvS, it had conflict between their main superheroes, but while Marvel had them duke it out at the end without outside help, DC had them in the middle. Airport scene took place in the middle and the main trio fight at the end. When you think about it, it was the opposite approach in BvS. they had the newcomer superhero, WW, fight at the end and steal some of the spotlight while in Civil War, the spotlight remained on the main ones. They had fricking Spiderman and they only had him appear in the middle. He was a cameo too, but unlike BvS, they limited the cameo in the right place. I really think they could've just ended the movie after the Batman and Superman fight. Batman saves Martha and Superman arrests Luthor. Luthor's failed plan would've proved Superman innocent and it would've also worked in pissing Lex off worse, to the point of a mental breakdown even. Then in the sequel he would've created Doomsday in his peak crazy state, due to the humiliation and stuff. they just crammed too much in BvS. anyway that's just my opinion. Sorry if this reply was too long.

@@captaindeadpool313 yes, I think I agree with you on most points, for me just the cinematography of BvS makes it a far better film without dwelling into the other stuff, but I agree with most stuff. At first I thought the same as you for the Doomsday fight but over time I actually think it’s one of times real super heroes were shown fighting like that and the CGI has stood up really, with doomsday being kind of underrated but overall I agree with you, if the movie ended after the Batman and Supes fight would be good but what we got was also great, with Batman redemption starting with Supes death. As for civil war, that airport fight has to be the most Disney thing I have ever seems, should be huge stakes but you just watch for the fun of it, but I loved spidey there (don’t like holland that much though ) And BvS has so much rewatchability is not even funny, for example the Lex montage of other heroes most people say it a shameless plug for other movies (which it kind of is) but the way they handled it I think was the best I have seen, because all that data just proves lex was deep into finding some one or something to kill Supes, and the fact he chooses Batman ( which is not in the montage ) just shows how deep down Batman is, Lex had multiple heroes to try and influence to deal with Supes but even lex new Batman would be a better bet. Lastly, I feel MCU movies barely know what is cinematography or sound, and for that reason alone they cannot be good films, just enjoyable content But I agree with you a lot actually, you at least seem not to be bashing BvS just because it’s more serious

This Batman is based from the Frank Miller version which kills. The double standard from some critics showed shows where both Keaton and Bale version killed out yet got a pass.

Nope it's powerlessness. I always thought it was an interesting choice

It would get like 2 billion dollars easy.

No issues? Like zero? It's a perfect film? There are many issues.

@@cameleyez it is a perfect film

@@cameleyez I didn't say it was perfect. I enjoyed it, but I didn't leave it feeling super hyped, 10/10 perfection. I just enjoyed it and didn't have any severe issues warranting it to be an awful movie.

@@Y2Jerms I feel you. You said you had no issues and couldn't understand while people disliked it tho. Boring story. Bad casting. Bad introductions of the other JL members. Cramming too much in one movie including death of superman. Martha shit and other Bad writing decisions. I enjoyed the movie but it had many issues.

@@cameleyez some of those I can see as issues. I thought it was mostly cadted fine. Lex Luther, I agree, was a miscast. The actor is good, but he didn't fit right in this. As far as cramming too much and too many people into this, I think the idea was to do the opposite of Marvel while still attempting the same thing. Instead of starting 1 by 1 and then going into a big ensemble finale, they did it backward. So it's not an exact copy.

Adam Driver still deserves better than the Star Wars sequels

I want him as Dr Doom.