1st rule of a cinematic universe: "You do NOT tell everyone that you're making a cinematic universe." 2nd rule of a cinematic universe: "You do NOT imitate the MCU."

Whoever thought this movie could use a lighter tone should be FIRED!!!

The downfall of the DCEU was their attempt to emulate Marvel's formula instead of sticking to their own thing. In the comics DC in general is usually way more dramatic and mature than Marvel, their animations are violent and edgy... if they had the balls to translated that to the movies, things would've been so much better.

I think I'm one of the only ones who loved Man of Steel and Dawn of Justice. For me personally, I loved the serious and dark tone and I expected that moving forward. When Suicide Squad came out, that's when I started noticing a problem...

People blame Snyder but yet it's the WB executives that are the problem and are always the problem. These people meddle in every single DC product that comes out instead of letting the people that they hire do the job. I can't see how any director would ever want any DC project.

While I did like the Snyder Cut, I still really wish we could have seen how Justice League turned out if George Miller made JL: Mortal or it Ben Affleck made the 2011 Will Beall script with Darkseid as the villain

If Joss Wheedon behavior during the reshoots of Justice League was horrible, I wonder how he behaved during the filming of Avengers 1and 2?

I'm not the first person to say this on the internet but, there should have been a scene in The Flash, when he sees different worlds, with mustache-superman.

That line " Kalel no!" is soo cringy to me. However Henry was the epitome of Superman. He should have never been replaced.

From where did you pull the idea that JK Simmons got jacked to play Commissioner Gordon? With very little effort I found multiple pages that said he didn't get ridiculously muscled to play a guy who never has to fight anyone. It was the result of many years of training because he wanted to get in shape. Not every actor does something for a role. Sometimes people just want to get ripped for themselves.

I've watched the CGI Superman face scenes over and over, and the CGI is not evident to me at all. I wonder if more people would miss it if they didn't know.

Thank you !!!! Thank you ACTUALLY stating facts on what Killed the DCEU.... The execs killed the universe...had nothing to do with ZS really, like his take or not, his vision was profitable and leading up to something, but these execs panicked and wanted a MCU 2.0 which IMHO, DC fans who liked the grounded take on these DC heroes, checked out.

I remember 10 years ago watching Man of Steel it was so amazing, but every movie after was a decline in story and quality and it culminated with that JL

Gym Gordon clarified that he didn't work out for the role specifically. He always tries to remain fit and healthy.

Joss Whedon be like... "MY VERSION IS FAR GREATER THAN YYYYYOOOOOUUURRRRRSSS!!!!"

The problem wasn't Whedon, it was and always has been Warner Brothers and their executives

Everything Joss Whedon did in AVENGERS, the Russo Brothers did better with CIVIL WAR Now Whedon is no longer worthy of doing anything, especially after what he did to this movie

Ben Affleck isn't an alcoholic because of JUSTICE LEAGUE, nor did he divorce his wife because of it. He's known to often have an issue imbibing a lot of his adult life, and he outright cheated on his wife with the nanny. The dude was going through some serious problems because of his own choices. The tumult of making this movie certainly didn't help any of that, but it's pretty stupid and dismisses Affleck of accountability to say Justice League cause Affleck's life to fall apart.

So excited for the Snyder cut craziness video you make! I already like this vid, but that one is gonna be AWESOME! 😂

The worst part is that people in Facebook still blame Snyder for the film's failure and behave like ZSJL is a bad movie. They also seem to forgive Joss Whedon very easily by claiming that Whedom was finishing someone else's project. This is despite all the worst parts being essentially Joss Whedon's thumbprints.

2 thinks I wish would happen, I would still like Ben affleck to direct a Batman film of some sort(he really is a good director) idc if it’s a short film or something just want to see his take. Also the deathstroke movie would be such a hit! Especially considering that death stroke is one of the few people on par with Batman as a fighter! Those movies I think would make some good movies, I just wish they would get rid of rhe voice modulation but that’s just a personal thing, affleck has a good voice for Bruce IMO and I bet he can do a good Batman

One thing you didn't get right is that Fabian Wagner (the cinematographer) wasn't involved in the reshoots They hired another DoP to work on the reshoots and the look of the finished product Only 10% of Wagner's footage was used in the final cut, but he received sole credit for the movie, just like Snyder in the director's credit His real work could only been seen in the Snyder Cut

Wish we had a Ben Affleck Batman movie with a script he wrote

This is why I referred to this version of the film as Josstice League, because Joss Weadon ‘jossed’ all over the film, lol.

Its always funny how they doubted Zack Snyder dark way which is how DC normally is but in the end the people.preffered the snyders cut😂😂😂

Whedon didnt kill it. Snyder did. His movies were all a mess. His stories and casting choices were absolute shit.

I wasn't crazy about the Snyder Cut, but at least the tone in that version was more consistent than Whedon's version.

Sucks how Green Lantern was excluded from both the Whedon Cut and Snyder Cut

Hot take, honestly, but the DCEU was doomed from the start. I know folks casually forget, but Man of Steel got roasted pretty badly upon release, and stuff like Batman v. Superman attempting to roll in a whole MCU season level of stuff into one movie, Suicide Squad being an editor's nightmare and the like didn't help matters. And you guys can say it's the studio's fault or whatever, but at the end of the day..... who really wanted more of the Snyder films before the situation with Justice League?

The craziest thing about Warner Bros is that they make better movies than Disney And yet, they cause the most insane kind of problems when it comes to DC

Pretty sure Snyder would have killed the DCEU quite well on his own.

I'm waiting for people to see how Smallville NAILED the same characters...so perfect. Well written, respectful yet refreshingly hopeful in a whole new way. This movie was insulting to each of the fantastically cast characters. It's such a waste of amazing potential. The whole series is. The closest they got was the first Womder Woman.

I think your the first person to actually get it right everyone else trying so hard to blame black Adam and the flash but truly the downfall began with joss wedons justice league

I will say, I had to pause your video early on so I could listen to the full Superman 1979 theme. As far as I am concerned the best of the aspirational superhero movies.

Often, when there's smoke, there's fire. It's not always a given, though.

You can't entirely blame Whedon for the 2017 version of Justice League. When Snyder left JL, WB refused to wait for him to return or change the movie's release date to properly deal with his family tragedy. WB gave Whedon only 6 months to re-write, reshoot, and finish a movie that wasn't his just so WB could keep their year-end bonuses. You could try to imagine that it was a lot of pressure from WB that provoked Whedon to behave unprofessionally on the set of JL. I fully support the people coming out to speak against him, but he's not the only one to be blamed. Plus, Snyder provoked WB to interfere with JL because of the panned reception of BvS. If Snyder had done a good job, the DCEU would not have been as fractured as it is today, and Whedon would never have been involved.

While the mess of Justice League more or less put the final nail in the coffin the entire Snyder-era DCEU started with one foot in the grave. Now let me be absolutely clear here: if you love the Snyder films then that's absolutely fair. We all have our own opinions and everyone enjoys different things. But, crucially, while both Snyder films did make money neither were the sorts of financial successes they should have been given the talent, characters and general culture at the time of their release. The wider audience switched off and the sentiment was clear by the time JL was in production. Continuing down the Snyder route would likely have seen similar results, albeit probably with different problems, and it's a shame that there's such a vocal chunk of the fanbase who insist the Snyderverse should come back and everything else is trash. For that matter - and I appreciate this video is focused on the Whedon cut of JL but feel this has to be raised - can we be clear that the world has never and will never see the Snyder version of this film? What's out there now is a *four hour long* cut of a 'movie' designed for streaming services, there's no way that gets released to cinemas without at least 90 minutes cut out of it. Which does lead the casual observer to wonder just what the hell the original plan was. It couldn't have been what Snyder ended up making when he got the chance and with the amount of work and reshoots involved it's unlikely to have been mostly the Whedon version.

I blame WB with this... even this going back Batman Returns to Batman Forever. It's always been WBs fault

Cavill's mustache is Tom Cruise' s fault. "Mission Impossible" went beyond filming schedule and Cavill had to keep his mustache for the rest of his scenes which needed to be filmed. Cruise should have run a tighter ship and not let filming go over or shot all of Cavill's scenes first, then Cavill could shave off the mo and have a clear lip for "Justice League". If Cavill had to keep his mustache, that is not Whedon's fault.

Jeremy Irons was a great Alfred 👌

It’s kind of crazy that a movie like Justice league was such a cluster fuck that it made Affleck quit Batman. If WB hadn’t screwed this up we would have gotten a solo Batman movie directed by Matt Reeves starring Affleck. Imagine that

Man… if just the original version was released 2017….

IMHO, people flipping out and making mountains out of molehills over something like the digital removal of Henry Cavill’s mustache…is truly *_NEEDLESS_* and *_RIDICULOUS._*

Happy to see that mostly everyone in the comment section agrees that WB was entirely at fault. And not Joss Whedon's version of the Justice League. Because they're the ones who made the final decisions on everything. Including hiring Whedon to finish a movie that wasnt his.

You people who defend Snyder’s dc universe are like the mothers on Maury claiming how much the baby looks just like the man they claim to be the father when they clearly do not

Eisenberg was the worst choice for Luthor and they wrote him way too goofy, as if they wanted him to be more Joker-esque. The CGI moustache removal is the least of this production's woes. I blame improper build-up to a lackluster ensemble piece that had no stakes.

(The League arrive in Russia) Aquaman: Call it, captain. Batman: Alright, listen up. Until this movie ends, our priority is to not let people think they are watching an Avengers rip-off. Aquaman, be as hunkiest as you can, but don't act like a god. Cyborg, you can fly and shoot lasers, try not to act like Iron Man. Aquaman: Give me a lift? Cyborg: Right. Better clench up, Thor. Batman: Diana, I don't know how long Superman will be banging Lois, so try to do everything Superman does. You got the shield. Don't use it as a frisbee. I'll do what I can with my gadgets and my sweet vehicles so no one thinks I'm Nick Fury. And Barry? (Barry turns and glares at Bruce) Batman: Do your best impersonation of a dimwitted child for the sake of comic relief. (Barry grins and runs away)

The DCEU was DOA long before Joss Wheden entered the picture. Man of Steel was a bad movie with enough good ideas that things could be salvaged. Batman v Superman was a tire fire that managed to surpass the Phantom Menace as the biggest letdown movie of my lifetime. Suicide Squad was no better. Wonder Woman was the one good movie, and a big reason why is that it distanced itself as much as possible from the turds that came before it. Joss Wheden’s Justice League was feeding chicken soup to a dead man at that point.

The Avengers happened. WB wanted that.

Joss Whedon didnt kill anything. WB did. And anyone who's been watching their whole run can tell you that. Their attempt at trying to be Marvel because they felt the need to catch up was their downfall.

The DCEU was dead on arrival with Man of Steel. It was a depressing mess only to be followed by batman V superman and suicide squad. Simply said, they're all terrible films. The first Wonder Woman was decent but Gadot can't sustain that role.

I blame the studio. They should have taken the time to let Zack recover from his loss. Joss should never have been involved.imo

I thought the Snyder Cut was pretty damn good. If only Snyder was was able to bring his complete vision to the screen from beginning to end without studio interference, it would have been truly an amazing film. As is, it was still a great film. And the "original" Whedon cut was abysmal. Marvel and DC are VERY different, and Whedon tried to turn a DC movie into a Marvel movie, which just ruined the feel of the movie completely. Stupid jokes that don't belong in a DC property, those damn filters on practically every shot.. UGH!

What was the last DC movie to actually make a profit? That is by far the biggest reason DC is doing a reboot.

Imagine in alternate timeline justice league 2 has been released and never reboot

JoBlo just casually playing a video game in the background.

Happy at least each Justice member got a solo outing. Except, they did Cyborg dirty.

Documentaries decades to come will be made about Warner Brothers ineptitude when it came to DC properties.

Wow, WB seems to have terrible luck when comes to hiring on super-hero flicks; sexual predators, ex-cons and complete psychopaths... =\

They should’ve delayed production until Zack Snyder was able to return to the production

At least when the 10 yr plan happens this mess will be forgotten.

I'm one of the few who loved MOS, I even saw it at least 3 times in theaters. But yeah I agree, they fumbled the ball when they tried to play catch up with Marvel and I will always be salty about it.

I think Justice League 2017 was needed to humble everyone a bit to show having more jokes and fun in a movie doesn’t necessarily make it better. If anything Justice League feels more disposable and throwaway than the then despised Batman V Superman.

It's unfair to say it's his fault. The PRODUCERS didn't wanted to wait for the horrible thing that happened to Snyder and then hired someone to just edit and release it. That already was a decision to kill the DCEU. Snyder's daughter commited suicide and the producers didn't had the slightest consideration for him or the movie. Whedon didn't film any scenes or had any creative input in it. Just a director for hire.

I regret that I watched this in cinema. When movie ended I was like, wtf I just wached?!!

Let's not pretend Zack Snyder had great dcu movies. All the movies leading to Justice League were terrible and the Snyder cut was pretty awful too.

It wasn’t just Joss Whedon who ruined Justice League, but WB completely ruined Zack Synder’s vision and all the behind the scenes drama (including Whedon’s ego-driven behavior) sealed the movie’s fate and still an unwatchable movie. I don’t blame Zack Synder, he had a difficult time filming the movie after his daughter took her own life, but WB made a big mistake signing up Joss to do the reshoots and when it came out, it felt like a different version of Justice League, but incompleted. When it came out, Josstice League was underwhelming. Poor reviews, dismal box office, everything. Releasing the film just to get slaughtered by Thor: Ragnarok was a desperation attempt by the hubris of WB’s mismanagement of DC Films and it backfired. The DCEU would’ve been dead before Aquaman made a billion dollars.

Zack’s BvS digged the grave, JL 2017 covered it.

Sadly the best Justice League we have is the animated show.

I was fully in the RTSC movement and believed in what Zack was doing. I was a fan of Joss prior to learning what kind of person he is. This film is proof of the biggest Lesson from Feiges MCU: STICK TO YOUR OWN PATH I remember every online site, maybe even this one, saying how they should have done the same thing as MCU Well, they got the guy who basically set the going template of the MCU with Joss as the avengers really set the proper Marvel formula Look what happen? It failed. WB could have saved so much financially and even what happened behind just by releasing the 214 version of ZSJL back in 2017. MOS, BVS, ZSJL watched all together is the full story and pay off

I don't understand how Warner even has an audience for anything. All their movies and TV shows are incredibly campy and cheap. From the directing to the acting and writing, it's a miracle if something good comes out of it Their super hero movie props look like what you'd find in the Walmart toy section

Steppenwolf? Should have had Bachman Turner Overdrive instead

Truely. You Might be Right! 🤔😲😅 The Snyder CUT is Really good! 👌👍😊 I Have It And Really like It - Hands Down! I Like All of Zach Snyder's Movie's Hopefully The Awesomeness that Is The DCU UNIVERSE Continues! 😎👊✊🍁

The biggest mistake was not including the Wonder Twins and Wonder Dog

What really bugs me about this movie is how bad the music was in this movie and how it bounces from serious to jokes like a marvel film.

I would say it was one of the reasons, the first clue that the DCEU was doomed to fail was when Nolan and Goyer left before BVS allowing Snyder to have a blank cheque on what to do and we all know how that turned out

Batman vs Superman dawn of Martha was such monstrous garbage, and yeah, rather than giving the cast their own movie they chose to rush it. The Snyder cut is better, but not by much.

As much as I want to blame JL, Ben became an alcoholic on his own, he's an adult

Barry Allen is not a geek sidekick. All of the casting for JL is great except for The Flash.

AT&T is the reason WBD is debt. Not the best decision in hindsight.

I love Hines. His voice was the only good thing about the film. And it most definitely wasn't his best performance. That says something.

Ah 2017 Before the world lost its damn mind

This movie may have been the breaking point but the cracks were showing in BvS movie. That movie was a mess with shoe horned scenes. Man of Steel wasn't perfect but there was room to grow. Killing the main hero in the second film was stupid. Would people have been as invested in Iron Man if he died in his second outing, or was his death not more impactful later in the franchise? The movie was rushed and it showed. The George Miller one could have been interesting but it had a horrible cast. Speaking of, I'm also not a fan of Ezra Miller's Flash. I'm kinda not a fan of him as a person let alone a hero. The Flash movie was absolutely terrible. It had a couple of cool things but it was everything and the kitchen sink kind of film with shitty CGI. And his suit looks like shit, he looks like a dick in that thing. They got Flash more accurate in the TV show, despite the abysmal writing in the last few seasons. The suit looked better on the small screen than the big screen. That shouldn't happen. All the DCEU films did was take great characters, shit on them, set them aflame, and put the ashes out with piss. Great legacy WBs. The studio failed their properties. And why can't they hire a comic book writer for these films? They write scripts for a living. Many of them better than a lot of movies.

Shit writing killed the DCEU.

In the words of the eminent Adam Sandler... YOU BLEW IT!!!!!!!

You kidding? Batman V Superman killed the DCEU. It had such bad word of mouth that it tainted the next in the franchise, much like The Last Jedi tanked Solo. BvS couldn't crack 1 Billion dollars. A Black Panther and Captain Marvel movie each cracked a billion. A competent movie with Batman fighting Superman should have at least made 2 billion.

If they had just kept the existing Batman and Superman, they wouldn't have been so far behind Marvel. Who knows how much different things would have gone ...

🤦🏽‍♂️WB f up like always. Should’ve stuck with Snyder’s vision. MCU should’ve been for the light and campy. DC for dark and gritty.

Issues with Joss aside, his movie didn't kill the DCEU, the DCEU was already DOA. The writing was already on the wall for anybody paying attention, trying to Copy/Paste the MCU was never going to work. Hell, Marvel can't even rebuild the MCU interest and they started this whole expanded universe nonsense.

Armie Hammer as Bruce Wayne/Batman would have been perfect. Seriously, eat your heart out perfect. I wonder why it never happened!

LOL sixth suggestion in the KZfaq preview bar is "How Black Adam killed the DCEU"... seems anything and everything can and does kill DC Movies.

Affleck was always fighting with alcohol. Even he can’t blame this movie 😂🤣😂😂😂

Even worst WB killed Snyder vers firing all the cast

both movies were ok at best lol. people act like synder woulda made it perfect but we forgetting batman was gonna knock up Lois lane etc lol dude was no genius either lol

WB is the real villain

They were right to let Snyder finish his vision.

Oh the mustache🥸🥸🥸

Hopefully the next "Justice League" team-up movie set in Peter Safran and James Gunn's DC Universe will do better than this cut that came out in theaters did 🦸 #DCU #DCUniverse #JamesGunn #PeterSafran #DCStudios #WBD

This movie represents exactly why Hollywood is no longer revered. Way too much money is spent in the production of this crap. Actors get paid too much. Marketing cost way, way, way too much. CGI is so ridiculously difficult, it takes a literal army of artists half a year to produce 70-125 digital shots. The reliance on multiple action sequences, 3 hour scripts and terrible CGI with the eventual rewrites bloats these movies into monsters that have no chance of breaking even. Let alone make a profit. Joss Whedon basically held the studio hostage and attempted to remove Zach's fingerprints from this movie, instead of helping Zach find a complete vision.

Why I hate gal gadot "Kal el" lol