Battle of Leuctra, 371 BC

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This animation covers the Battle of Leuctra, July [?], 371 BC.
Red = Thebans & allies
Blue = Spartans & allies
Animated and narrated by Jonathan Webb.

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@Panz82
@Panz82 8 жыл бұрын
lol spartan status: mildly intoxicated. translate in: they were drunk as fuck!
@lesdaddyiens-abrahamiens9577
@lesdaddyiens-abrahamiens9577 6 жыл бұрын
oblique order "take your hats off, gentlemen, if this man were still alive, we would not be standing here today." - Napoléon at the tomb of Frederick the Great. the tactic of "oblique order" earned a mention by Vegetius. what i like about the oblique order, is that it allows to attack the enemy's stronger side, and having defeated the opponent's main body, to envelop the enemy, now rolling around the enemy forces, watching them melt. i successfully used this tactic in chess. the problem with some of the other brilliant tactics, which rely on segmenting your forces, is that reserves might not come on time. which is what happened to Napoléon at the battle of Waterloo. other tactics are not as universally applicable. • the oblique order was used by the Thebans under the command of Epaminondas to defeat the Spartans (la bataille de Leuctres). • the oblique order was employed by the brilliant Khalid ibn al-Walid against the Byzantines at the Battle of Yarmouk. • one-sided envelopment tactic was used by Fulk the Black "par la grâce de Dieu comte des Angevins" and his sidekick Count Herbert of Maine, to defeat Fulk's rival, Odo II of Blois at the Battle of Pontlevoy. Fulk III was an avid reader of Vegetius. Vegetius does not preach cowardice unlike Sun Tzu. among European generals Napoleon's tactics were more like Sun Tzu. they worked for a while. in the said battle Fulk lost his horse and his standard-bearer. from the early feudal period (which was a continuation of roman client-patron system of societal organization) until the end of the middle ages, conveying orders wasn't easy, so the sovereign along with his standard-bearer led from the front! this led to the development of plate armour which completely encompassed the body. these suits became pretty much impervious to swords and bladed weapons, arrows and bullets - due to the curvature of the plates. the leaders (sovereigns and magnates) used percussion weapons such as war hammers and maces to try to crush one another. dismounted knights could endure for fifteen to twenty minutes in such heavy armor. Edward IV, who lived near the end of the Middle Ages fought in this way. the leader and his chief sidekicks served as points to attract troops, instead of sending out orders. but Fulk the Black didn't have such superior armour to protect him in 1016. he still used a sword. instead he had self-confidence. chivalry didn't end because of firearms. chivalry ended because the retinues which were required to arm knights became too costly. self-confidence was less expensive. preparedness equals confidence. Fulk had a copy of "the epitome of military science", therefore he could remain calm in turmoil. • the oblique order was frequently used by Frederick the Great (Battle of Hohenfriedberg, Battle of Leuthen). the lesson is that the oblique order never let down a wise commander, so it is the best. "intensity gives eminence, and rises to the heroic in matters sublime." - Baltasar Gracian
@heinzpeztter6510
@heinzpeztter6510 7 жыл бұрын
if your quality was better your channel would became big enough to give you money!
@quadeong7453
@quadeong7453 7 жыл бұрын
This was an accurate and informative video. My only complaint is that your voice is too monotone and you need to speak with more energy.
@gpheonix1
@gpheonix1 7 жыл бұрын
This was an accurate and informative video. My only complaint is that your voice is that your voice is not monotone enough and has just a little too much personality.
@johnvonshepard9373
@johnvonshepard9373 8 жыл бұрын
This is Madness!!!
@uppal123g
@uppal123g 8 жыл бұрын
ahhahaha... the king of sparta and his men were drunk before battle 0:23 LOL!!!!!! wrong move
@thewanderingeuropean3522
@thewanderingeuropean3522 5 жыл бұрын
If the Spartans weren't drunk maybe they could have done something
@thewanderingeuropean3522
@thewanderingeuropean3522 5 жыл бұрын
but then again they still killed 3% of there troops as they were drunk which is pretty impressive
@rak000
@rak000 13 жыл бұрын
Jonathan Web > God. Im gonna do everything I can to bring more viewers to your site
@davidaustin902
@davidaustin902 7 жыл бұрын
This is Sparta!!!!! Now, let's run
@damianlenkiewicz3361
@damianlenkiewicz3361 6 жыл бұрын
yea, we r fuqing spartans! now let's run away from the enemy XD
@rylankane2804
@rylankane2804 7 жыл бұрын
Why didn't the Spartans simply advance their left side to collapse in on the Thebans in a flanking maneuver?
@sfreakc
@sfreakc 7 жыл бұрын
because it's not simple to turn a hoplite formation, i would guess... The formation is made to move forward and backwards... it's like a moving brick of steel... You can't simply turn it.. The thebans knew this, and used it against the stronger spartan force. more mobility = victory... hammer and anvil.. But sparta only had the anvil... Look how alexander won his battles... He always had his cav and missles as wildcard... While the phalanx forms a good center.
@sfreakc
@sfreakc 7 жыл бұрын
Cavalry from that point on became more important... until the rise of (automatic) rifles, they dominated the battlefields...
@rylankane2804
@rylankane2804 7 жыл бұрын
The Romans didn't realy heavily on cavalry, though. Most of their cavalry wasn't even roman.
@sfreakc
@sfreakc 7 жыл бұрын
Yes they did... Except in the north, where deep forests were common... Everywhere else, they were crucial... Ok, the roman infantry was important too... But the cav won or lost most battles.. Especially after Christ. This became a weakness of the roman empire, when their enemies adapted to their tactics...
@schusterlehrling
@schusterlehrling 7 жыл бұрын
1. The retreating cavalry caused a huge and chaotic disruption in their centre and left flank. Theycould not advance quickly,. 2. Epaminondas had placed his allied forces on the centre and his right flank in a defensive way. They simply had to hold back the allies of the Spartans until the Thebans had defeated the Spartans. 3. The Thebans had their left flank advanced and they moved very quickly towards the Spartans, much quicker then the Spartan allies could move. Conclusion. the battle plan of Epaminondas was based on speed and timing. And his forces were simply very quickly destroying the Spartans, who had no Plan B to retreat and start a new attack on the other wing.
@goochface1000
@goochface1000 9 жыл бұрын
this helped me loads thanks! however the Spartan phalanx was 3 men wide, not 4
@SantomPh
@SantomPh 11 жыл бұрын
The tactics ensured that Sparta would lose in any case, as they usually didn't fight the elite of their enemies immediately. They may not have been drunk but they were certainly overconfident. They did not expect an echelon formation, superior cavalry and the magnificent Sacred Band right in the front with Epaminondas. The Spartans also failed to get their allies to help- they usually only hopped in when winning was possible. Alexander the Great also used the echelon against Persia.
@Rajj854
@Rajj854 7 жыл бұрын
Was the battle decided by the weight of the Theban left or by the superiority of their cavalry? Seems the deciding factors were the : 1) angular advance of the Theban Formation 2) the tactical victory of their cavalry and 3) the fighting prowess of the Sacred Band.
@colejames423
@colejames423 7 жыл бұрын
Indeed. I think more than anything it was that "overloaded" left of the Thebans. Sparta simply didn't have the manpower at this point to push back, and once the Thebans forced the Spartan right backwards, the Spartan center and right were completely vulnerable due to the immobility of the phalanx. Epaminondas was a g
@stuka80
@stuka80 7 жыл бұрын
Raj Ray the entire theban formation was brilliant. Epaminondas not only broke with centuries of hoplite tradition by putting his best troops on the left instead of right(position of honor) but he arranged his center and right wing in an oblique formation. his aim it seems was to simply steamroll the spartan right with sheer force and momentum created by his 50 rank deep left wing before his heavily outnumbered center and right came in contact. he justly predicted that once the spartans and their king was defeated the rest of the spartan army would break.
@Jlongtors0
@Jlongtors0 4 жыл бұрын
The war in which Sparta and Athens allied against Thebes - what was it called?
@aksmex2576
@aksmex2576 7 жыл бұрын
where is 300 spartans
@stuka80
@stuka80 12 жыл бұрын
@WarfareKing187 doubt it
@anthonyarellano7876
@anthonyarellano7876 8 жыл бұрын
also thebes failed to invade sparta like they literally failed at taking a city with no walls...cough cough
@GeneralKenobi75
@GeneralKenobi75 5 жыл бұрын
Didn't really matter, since the Thebans had already destroyed Sparta's hegemony over the rest of Greece so taking the city is really pointless.
@RSMVreviewer
@RSMVreviewer 4 жыл бұрын
sparta was worth jack shit, they only needed to break their hegemony
@TheMFOs
@TheMFOs 11 жыл бұрын
the Spartans lost to homosexuals no joke 300 homosexuals where on the bans side called the sacred band
@mangarific1
@mangarific1 10 жыл бұрын
I thought the Spartans only lost 400?? as it was still 1/3 of there population, so are you saying they lost 1000?? cuz that's like all of them and must be wrong
@David-bl8lf
@David-bl8lf 9 жыл бұрын
1000 including the peltasts, hoplite levies and cavalry, which would not have been Spartiates. This battle was at a time of real weakness for Sparta, only a small minority of the army was made up of real spartans, the rest were from other classes in the Spartan system.
@SantomPh
@SantomPh 8 жыл бұрын
although they lost merely 10% of the army at Leuctra, Epaminondas' tactic killed most of the Spartiaties, who were the anchor of the other allied forces, who mostly decided just to leave. Cleombrotus brought his 300 hippieis plus what was about 700 full Spartiaties, full citizen men. The Spartans were virtually outnumbered by their allies nearly 10 to 1. All the allies expected Cleombrotus to initiate combat and join in once the Theban left collapsed. Epaminondas' tactic forced the 1000 Spartans into combat versus the entire Theban army and thus most of the dead were Spartans.
@SantomPh
@SantomPh 8 жыл бұрын
although they lost merely 10% of the army at Leuctra, Epaminondas' tactic killed most of the Spartiaties, who were the anchor of the other allied forces, who mostly decided just to leave. Cleombrotus brought his 300 hippieis plus what was about 700 full Spartiaties, full citizen men. The Spartans were virtually outnumbered by their allies nearly 10 to 1. All the allies expected Cleombrotus to initiate combat and join in once the Theban left collapsed. Epaminondas' tactic forced the 1000 Spartans into combat versus the entire Theban army and thus most of the dead were Spartans.
@SantomPh
@SantomPh 8 жыл бұрын
although they lost merely 10% of the army at Leuctra, Epaminondas' tactic killed most of the Spartiaties, who were the anchor of the other allied forces, who mostly decided just to leave. Cleombrotus brought his 300 hippieis plus what was about 700 full Spartiaties, full citizen men. The Spartans were virtually outnumbered by their allies nearly 10 to 1. All the allies expected Cleombrotus to initiate combat and join in once the Theban left collapsed. Epaminondas' tactic forced the 1000 Spartans into combat versus the entire Theban army and thus most of the dead were Spartans.
@SantomPh
@SantomPh 8 жыл бұрын
although they lost merely 10% of the army at Leuctra, Epaminondas' tactic killed most of the Spartiaties, who were the anchor of the other allied forces, who mostly
@anthonyarellano7876
@anthonyarellano7876 8 жыл бұрын
well to be fair they got out manuered by combined arms...revolutionary at the time and spartans never really adapted to new tactics so being extremely predictable can be a huge disadvantange...not to mention to all the spartan haters out there..spartans managed to kill the theban genius and all his officers at battle of mantinea ending the very short lived theban hegemony..just saying
@colejames423
@colejames423 7 жыл бұрын
What's your point? From a historical perspective, the failure of the Spartans to adapt was their own fault. Epaminandos took advantage of that, devised a strategy to target the Spartans weakness, and pretty well destroyed the Spartan army and its allies. Obviously, we all know the Theban hegemony was short-lived. Again, what's your point? Sparta ceased to be even a regional power after Mantinea as well.
@youtuytumaddrre
@youtuytumaddrre 5 жыл бұрын
Thebas hace the freedom to Mesenia, so no matter if They kills Epaminondas, They had no chance at that time
@BehremB
@BehremB 11 жыл бұрын
westerns making excuses all time
@irfanimp
@irfanimp 9 жыл бұрын
LİAR AND SPECULATİONS.NOT REAL...
@irfanimp
@irfanimp 8 жыл бұрын
can't see the truth?son of a bitch?
@cxarhomell5867
@cxarhomell5867 5 жыл бұрын
@@irfanimp bro just accept the fact that sparta lost
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