What the heck is an Amiga?

@@ismalali a computer based system

hashtag low bar 🤣 With some effort a 1200/CD32 version should have beaten the MD and SNES versions, and been up there with the 3DO and snapping at the Saturn's heels.

I was quite 's fan of cammy but that maybe because of the stage music.

It already is. It's featured as an arrange soundtrack in Hyper Street Fighter II on the Xbox and Playstation 2.

Tempora158 Oh that's what that was! Nice one!

Thank you. I just wish I have much more views. There are videos on KZfaq which are complete rubbish with more views :(

dragon punch loses invincibility in the version with power gauge

@@tunkunrunk only New versions of Ken and Ryu have that vulnerability. If you select the Old versions of characters they are still invincible

A great version. I prefer it to the arcade because of the optional higher gaming speed. The Genesis port is quite the same and a little bit faster, but with really bad sound.

Sega Saturn is the best way to go for Super Street Fighter I feel.

The sprites in the 16bit versions (SNES, Genesis, NEC) of (Super) Street Fighter 2/Turbo/SCE are the same size and the games run in the same resolution (254x224). Most likely you saw screenshots or gameplays displayed in a different aspect ratio.

Ah crap. I put the wrong BGM on there :( I'd better add an annotation to the video.

Sorry NightSprinter, I won't be following up this video for the time being but thanks for brinking it to my attention that there is another version out there.

***** Hahaha, saving me from the pain of playing it.

I wonder what it was like getting in to Street Fighter only a few years back? When it was originally released it looked and sounded amazing as well as playing really well. It just goes to show that even in an age of fluid 3D Fighters this game can still pull in new fans.

Yep, I got a bunch of games off of the Wii's virtual console, and knowing hardly anything about SF, I decided I'd try the one called The New Challengers, since it apparently was one of the more updated versions of SF2 and I think it actually is the farthest it goes in VC releases, though they might have also had the SNES version available too, but IDK. Anyway, I had some great memories with that game, and it was the first time I truly got into a non-SSB fighting game. It took me maybe 4 hours to beat on normal difficulty, but I beat it with Dee Jay with no points of health left whatsoever. :P Gotta love those then over-powered throws...

Emma Starr you won with Deejay? Good going. I could never use that character. What you need to do next is play Street Fighter Zero 2 (known as Alpha 2 in the west) the Sega Saturn is the ultimate version and not that expensive. Many people say Street Fighter Zero 3 is the best (again the Saturn version is the one to get) but I have a soft spot for Zero 2.

Yeah, Dee Jay seemed to definitely have the best throws in the game. At least, in that version. Haven't tested if it's that good in other versions, but Bison still definitely put up a lot of crazy battles. I have played Alpha 2 SNES version, but, IDK, it didn't really captivate me as much as 2 did. I also have Alpha 3 MAX on the PSP, but since I've read it won't save anything until you have less than 100 kb left in your memory card, I haven't wanted to play it too much, at least until I fill the card up a bit more.

Emma Starr Dee Jay got progressively worse in later appearances. XD

Ah, that would be Super Street Fighter II Turbo (if it's the US version). I heard that version uses the FM Towns music but I'm not 100% sure.

Retro Core It does use the FM Towns music. It also includes the "Heavy Damage" version of each stage's music missing in the FM Towns soundtrack.

Tempora158 Good to know. Thanks for the info.

Super Street Fighter II had both AGA and OCS versions. The OCS version has less disks and only supports up to 2-button controllers, but the AGA version supports the CD32 pad. The CD32 version never came out even though it was reviewed by magazines. Super Street Fighter II Turbo came out for AGA Amigas and the CD32, but is yet another bad port.

The X68000 game is actually Super Street Fighter II X (Turbo). This video doesn't cover the X games so that's why it's missing from the video.

Retro Core I'm sorry but you're wrong. The X68000 version is Super Street Fighter 2 "The new challengers" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Street_Fighter_II

Hmm, that's news to me. I thought only the follow up was on the X68000.

I'd ve loved if SSF2X was released on the X68000 but it never happened. SSF2 was really the swansong of the system

Bubba Zanetti The FM arrange for Cammy is awesome on x68k

Good question. I'm afraid I don't know as I never actually finished the FM Towns version. I'd have to go back and play it again to find out.

They sure did. Eurocom was a name you could most of the time depend upon.

Yes, that was an odd choice. Most of Capcom's Saturn fighters do include Q-Sound. Makes me think the Super Street Fighter disc was a rush job.

SNES port has Q-Sound? I thought Q-Sound was impossible for SNES sound hardware.

@@madsceptictrooper6803 SNES can do a mimic of the reverb and spatialising effects of QSound, not that it actually has QSound technology running on it.

The 3DO game is super Street fighter II Turbo. So it's not featured on this video.

The MS-DOS version is the Super Nintendo version with terribly composed MIDI music and running at a higher resolution than the SNES game. However, this causes the character sprites to be too tiny and the stages to be too big, since no adjustments were made to the SNES art assets to scale up to the higher resolution.

Tempora158 the midi music isn't that bad compared to the SNES one! I think the MS-DOS is just fine imo. Plus the Super Famicom/SNES sprites were a little tiny too dude! Cuz I kinda remember playing it on a emulator a couple of years ago with its resolution looking sorta bunched & small a bit just like how the DOS version on this video looked. So, pretty much they're on par.

MrDmoney156 The music is bad because the PC version's music is (badly) composed for playback on an Adlib's FM synthesizer, which sounds worse than the FM synthesizer in the Sega Genesis. And when the MIDI music is played back on a General MIDI device with high quality samples, it still sounds like a bad FM synth composition because of the terrible instrument choices. An example of FM synth composition done right is in the Sharp X68000 port. The Sharp X68K port also has a properly composed General MIDI soundtrack as well. The problem with the graphics in the PC port is the proportion of the characters to the stage. In the SNES version, the characters are tiny, and the stages were also tiny, so everything was in proportion. In the PC version, the characters are tiny just like the SNES version, but the stages are now huge. This happened because keeping the stages in proportion to the characters would have meant big black bars at the top and bottom of the screen (i.e. letterboxing), which is how the SNES version kept everything in the correct proportion. However, Rozner Labs created an even BIGGER problem in the PC version by running the port at a higher resolution than the SNES version. In order for Rozner Labs to get rid of the black bars at the top/bottom of the screen, they chose to make the stages bigger in the PC version. So they kept the proportion of the stages the same as the SNES version when they scaled it up, but they didn't do the same thing with the characters by making them bigger, so the playfield is now larger in the PC version than in the SNES version, making the characters dwarfed by the size of the stages.

Tempora158 hmm, I see that can be true but I think leaving those black borders would make it a tiny bit more epic with it looking wide screen and stuff imo! As for midi sounds engine being BAD?! Their was a ton of DOS games I know that used very good midi, you just hadn't heard the good ones and yes I do acknowledge there are a few bad created ones but the ones I might link to you are the most god-like soundings on the system than you'll ever believe! ;)

MrDmoney156 People hate black borders and will think there is something wrong with their video card or their monitor and will use the monitor controls to stretch the image to fit their screen and mess up the output for all their other DOS games. Rozner Labs avoided that situation by scaling up the backgrounds to fill in the black bars that would have been present if they left the SNES assets untouched. I've know there is good Adlib (MIDI) music on the PC, and it's written specifically for it like in the Apogee and 3D Realms games, which is why I stressed that the music in the PC port was *badly composed* which is why it sounds bad. The problem is that Super Street Fighter II's music was not composed for an FM synthesizer; it was sequenced for a digitized sample playback system with the appropriate samples present. Going from one medium to another required skillful adaptation, and it's obvious Rozner Labs took the easy way out and just transposed the SNES version's sample based MIDI music (or its equivalent format) to the Adlib FM synth with no regard to proper instrumentation. Capcom of Japan did a proper adaptation of the QSound music for an FM synthesizer with their Sharp X68000 port, Rozner Labs did not do that with their PC port.

Because I never had them? Have you watched the Street Fighter Zero and Zero 2 videos. They have PlayStation featured.

Nope, afraid not.

For some reason when I speak to Americans they always claim the SSF2 version came out first. In the UK SSF2T came out first and basically killed SSF2 coming out, I am not sure it was even released in the end.

The Saturn game was played on a MK1 Japanese Saturn which is connected to a Famemeister XRGBmini via 21pin RGB (known as scart in Europe). Then the signal from the Framemeister goes direct to my SkyDigital Capture X capture card via HDMI. The video is then recorded in BluRay Mpeg 2 quality at 60fps 720p resolution. The scan lines look far better in real life than they do on this video.

Retro Core Oh, I can imagine. Just the fact they still manage to look nice on youtube is impressive.

lightsouthaha for stuff filmed in the future I may do just that.

lightsouthaha Oh, I see. Yeah you can change the setting to whatever you want. The Framemeister is really cool when it comes to settings.

champion edition never came out for dreamcast. it did come out for capcom generations 5 on the saturn.

DC version is based off of SSF 2 Turbo, which isn't covered in this video, just the original Super Street Fighter II.

There was a CD version for DOS with CD audio.

snes music can't compete with saturn ones...and gamepad.

Ton Master true

the saturn had arcade perfect graphics and a CD-ROM. of course it destroys the snes port which had tiny sprites and not arcade perfect sound

Snes had tinny anoing music, slow downs, stupid controlers

+Jesús Alejandro Vega No, not that I knwo of

Yes there is a version for the X68000 it even has some FM remixes of the new tracks available.

Yes there is an X68000 version

+Squall Leo but that is not SSFIi, it is another game

There is a Super Street Fighter Turbo Dos version which is much better

alex ojideagu Yes but the non Turbo version could be better, look FM Towns version, that computer uses a 386SX processor with in-built sound and graphics chips, a good PC of that time should run the game comparable to it but it was just a SNES port.

Probably it was a kind of "evolution" of ports, with SF2 being total crap, SSF2 being pretty decent looking like the SNES and SSF2T being pretty much what should they have done with the other ports at the beginning.

Dumisa Tony Johnson Yes it did. Super Street Fighter II was released as part of the Street Fighter Collection in 1997 which also included Super Street Fighter II Turbo and the previously unreleased outside of Japan, Street Fighter Alpha 2 Gold.

yeah it did it looks like the saturn version...but i think it had longer loading...

Of course it has longer loading.

The 3DO version is a different game. That is Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo. Please see my other video.

+Retro Core I can't find that video. Can you link to it?

Ah, so sorry. I forgot that I'd never actually finished that video due to a hard drive crash. I'll have it completed for this week's show.

+Retro Core thanks! I tried several searches but couldn't find it, and started to think I was not using the proper terminology.

+Retro Core based on the remark you made in your Samurai Shodown video, I'm guessing your review won't be quite as glowing as most people! The lack of background layers and the use of the older sprites probably has something to do with it. A decent but highly overrated port indeed!

Sorry, the older videos don't have any voiceover. Maybe in the future this can be addressed.

@MrDerOutsider The GBA version is super street fighter 2 turbo and this the game before super street fighter 2 turbo So It wasn't featured in the video

The original Street Fighter 2 CE on the Mega Drive did sound good but Super had always sounded pretty poorly. Sometimes our memories give false impressions.

you got me. Maybe I had edited the video?

makes sense.

bcleary2000 The SNES port also has the Tournament Mode, as well as the X68000 and FM-Towns versions.

MegaDrive music sucks. आर you deaf?

Lmao the whole game sucked on the megadrive

Must be because of 32 megabit cartridge size and Capcom's obsession with reverbs.

You're welcome. :)

Already have and world heroes 2 as well. Search youtube for Battle of the Ports World Heroes and you'll find them :)

Retro Core I will. Thank you, sir.

No, the information in this video is completely wrong. Eurocom ported the arcade version of Super Street Fighter II Turbo to MS-DOS and was published by Gametek in 1995. It was the most accurate port of a Street Fighter game that Western PCs have ever received at the time. Then, in 1996, Capcom decided they wanted to get into the PC game business, and they hired Rozner Labs to do two SNES-to-PC ports to bundle with their 6-button PC gamepad, and those games were the SNES version of Mega Man X and Super Street Fighter II. This is the version that's shown in the video, not the Eurocom port, and it's a complete regression to what Eurocom accomplished the year prior. Capcom/Rozner Labs published Super Street Fighter II in *1996* even though Gametek/Eurocom's newer (and superior) Super Street Fighter II Turbo came out in *1995*, a year earlier. Not only did Capcom/Rozner Labs' release a downgrade of a game that already came out last year, but it's based on the inferior SNES version instead of the arcade version, making their release doubly pointless.

The former that I know of. As for the latter? Sigh... Typical Capcom laziness

***** Capcom's PC effort were shit. After the 16-bit era, when Capcom wanted more games on the PC, they only ported the Playstation version of everything. This includes the PC port of Street Fighter Alpha and Street Fighter Alpha 2, which are both ports of the Playstation version, the worst versions in existence (excluding the handhelds), instead of the arcade versions. Not only did Capcom port the inferior Playstation version to the PC, but they were bad PC ports, missing even more animation than the Playstation version, mainly in the backgrounds. This made no freaking sense as PCs in 1998 had at least 16MB of RAM and a Pentium and that very same PC can play an arcade perfect version of the games through CPS2 emulators (e.g. Final Burn), which Capcom couldn't accomplish in a port specifically written for the PC.

Tempora158 I still don't know who at Capcom had the idea to re-release SFA2 PC on GOG, and it's the only game they released on the service to boot. It was poorly recieved.

M4R14NO94 Capcom had not released any PC game DRM-free AFAIK, so maybe they used their old and crappy PC port of Street Fighter Alpha 2 as their DRM-free test release as it isn't one of their precious that needs protecting, such as one of their *GOOD* PC ports. Would be great if they released the Resident Evil trilogy on the service, but the first Resident Evil is a compatibility bastard as it has hard checks for a few specific 3D cards and was written for Windows 95 to the point that it has issues with Windows 98 and beyond IIRC.

I'm Nintendo fanboy and I find the Genesis port better too, it plays no slightly better, but much better if you have the 6 button gamepad.

This game will run on an OCS Amiga A1000 from 1985 with 512K chip 512K fast RAM. I don't believe any of the other systems (except the PC that at the time would not have been able to run it) were around in 85. And the AGA version is a minimal effort hack job just basically making it play faster, and adding the CD32 pad option (it looses the keyboard option) However on an A1200 and with the turbo turned to the max this game does play fast. The Amiga not having a 6+ button pad as a standard part (although it has always been able to handle one) hurt many conversions.

idiot putting the snes game in second place in your rank is lame...is inferior ..saturn is a straight port of the arcade with bigger sprites and more colors ...should be second and 3do..third place...

is not about the second place number because is for the music sounds comparison i playing on Snes & genesis more than 100 times don't give wrong the music sounds is better on Snes sega genesis is the best console all time in the 90's no doubt the graphics genesis yes i make a great experience for both console Snes & genesis i remember street of rage 1,2,3 on genesis it was the best fighting game ever i love to play that game i never stop playing street of rage because it was fun game to play the music sounds is super good unbelievable because techno music on the game is awesome when I play the game and listen to the music at the same time is fantastic and snes never make the game like that

@@alainazor3990 the snes can easily play back the music of the SOR series. If you are interested, I have links to a video where a person perfectly recreated a SOR stage theme on snes

Err, okay.

@@RetroCore well, to be fair it only played well if you had a CD32 or some other 6-button controls. If not you have a press the SPACE BAR on the keyboard to switch between punches and kicks. But with a 6 button configuration it plays about as well as the Genesis version.

i dont agree the megadrive version of ssf2 is garbage weak sound music and lack of colors in many stages the snes versions is far superior

Yeah, some voices do sound a little weak.