The Saturn version loads faster with the 4MB RAM cart because it has enough RAM to do background loading from CD while there is something going on in the game, and there is data that never gets unloaded from RAM (most likely the select screen and character portraits). The Playstation doesn't have any RAM to spare for background loading or keeping things perpetually in RAM, let alone run the game without drastically cutting frames of animation and two whole characters.

Lassi Kinnunen Saturn's fast loading times is something that is often overlooked. Even 3D games, that don't have RAM expansion can often load really fast for example Sega Rally and Daytona.

It has a slower CD drive. Plus something that nobody ever brings up is how slow the PlayStation and PS2 are at saving data to the memory cards. Even when using a memory card on a Saturn it's much faster.

That's right about having 4 of the same character on screen at once. Seeing 4 massive Juggernauts on screen is amazing. It really shows us what the Saturn can do.

That is very true.

That it was.

neo geo

In that time frame the coming attractions with the Japanese symbols gave it legitness.I only ask why did they not make an anime even if it was an ova two part special.

PSX had serious memory limitation compared to the Saturn, they just couldn't do it, especially with an extra RAM cartridge the Saturn rocked at 2D.

Kinda like what they did with Street Fighter III and 2nd Impact? I would have bought the hell out of it.

Good question, I remember that ports of 3S didn't show up for another 2-3 years after it released, maybe because it was slow to catch on in the arcades?

Street Fighter III: NG and 2i share a lot of common assets and was ported by Rutubo. Third Strike uses brand new assets (except for the fighters' sprites, which were reused of course) and was ported by Capcom themselves.

I think Red Earth/Warzard is highly underrated

Maybe there was a license issue with characters?

Yep. It's time for the Saturn to shine and show that it was an incompetent system at all.

Once more? One of the few better ports that the Saturn has, plus it's running on an expanded RAM cart.

@@Noahgames123 "Few"? Its common knowledge that the Saturn is home to many superior version of multiplatform games, 2D most especially. There is nothing really to be downplayed here.

You can thank the incompent management over in the west for that. If even half the games from Japan had come west the Saturn would have done much better and been much more fondly remembered. I know in my case it is now in retrospect whereas back in the down I hated on the system bc let's be honest the Playstation did have the better overall library and being young enough that I could only afford one system back in the day it was a no brainer at the time.

@@ThoughtformsOfTheSubconsciousM Without the RAM cart, the Saturn versions would've had to be cut down as well or not even run at all like we know them now (you can't run this, Vampire Savior, Marvel Super Heroes Vs Street Fighter, or SF Zero 3 without a RAM cart). Sony should've played it smart and added RAM cart capabilities, the games would've turned out better for them. The stock Saturn did have a hair more of onboard RAM than the PS1 did, but the expanded RAM capabilities afforded by the carts surely helped.

Ahem... Fighting games.

Vincent GR lo Beat em ups is a little different but ehh we get what you mean lo

Roi de Diabeetus Marvel Super Heroes vs Streetfighter was also a nice port.

I lover this game. It was a true evolution in the 1 on 1 fighting game style. It's still fantastic to play even now on the Saturn or arcade. I'm glad you could finally get the Saturn version.

Retro Core ~ one of the best and even on my phone running mame (the touch screen control is surprisingly very good...) its a joy and i spend many an hour playing it.... (well it is my only 'device')

Order Of Magnitude - The Paranormal & Personal get yourself a Bluetooth controller from eBay. They only $5 to $10 dollars. The $10 one I got is called just called plain "gamepad" Great controller for $10. Only thing is you have to really wait for it cuz it comes from China. If you PC game it's a must have. Great value.

Hehe, I was enjoying the music too much to interrupt it.

Then Marvel vs Capcom

Order Of Magnitude - The Paranormal & Personal then Marvel Vs. Capcom 2 New Age of Heroes

You bet its coming👍

SVC Chaos.

It's just a shame that people in the West didn't care about the 2D market for the most part. Saturn could have been more successful if they did.

Retro Core some of us consumers did but the console and software executives over here (US) thought they knew better than us. The Saturn might have done better in the US had it not been for royal F Ups in the decision making process.

Hi PlaztiK 76. Thanks for the comment. To be fair the Super Famicom "port" isn't official but yeah, it is awful in every way possible.

Hahaha, I bet if they were handling it that's what it would look like.

I'm not surprised. It was something amazing back in the day.

Thanks, Armando Ceniceros. There's another Capcom Battle of the Ports coming next week.

I still go back to them now. I find them far more fun than more recent 2D fighting games.

It sure was. Things became really impressive when having 4 Juggernauts on screen at once. That was mental.

The PlayStation version is a playable game for sure. But when you think of how it should be, then the short comings are very noticeable.

This is true. Some would say that makes for a more balanced game while others would want those crazy combo possibilities back.

Retro Core funny thing is, it only seemed to affect some characters like Cyclops, while Wolverine, one of the worst offenders, came off relatively unscathed!

Yeah, the Saturn is a rock solid unit as long as it was made in Japan. Some of the none Japanese machinese have died. Mine is aday one Japanese system and like yours it'S still rocking.

I'm happy to hear you could experience the game how it was meant to be.

That's a testament to just how good it is.

I don't think they can now that Disney owns the rights. They have too much control over the IP now.

The Saturn game does have slowdown when things get really busy but I'm sure it's still running at 60fps, just at a slower pace. That's true about the strange resolution of the CPS2 board. I wonder why they did that when all of the games on it are 4:3 aspect ratio? On some CPS2 Saturn ports it does give the option of "Arcade screen size" while this is not 16:9 it does widen the play area a little resulting in the character sprites moving off screen a little.

@@RetroCore That's a strange decision for sure. The only reason I can see is that they wanted to make even more detailed graphics, at the price of having them a little bit "compressed" when displayed at 4/3 ratio. The graphics were created with this in mind however. The characters do look really wide on the various CPS-2 ports. The proportions look more "normal" when compressed to 4/3, in the arcade.

Without a doubt. More impressive than the Neo Geo too.

Sadly Sega Europe wouldn't fork out the cash to release the 4MB Ram cartridge over in the UK.

Anthony, that's such a simple yet cool idea. The Q-Sound logo is now going to be my ring tone.

hehe, and so they should have. It's awful (^o^)

UubrMan X ~ yeah they did a good job!

And if it's anything like the comment section for that segment brace yourself for fanboys to come screaming in for some reason...

My brother and I rented it just to see how bad it was (As mentioned in a comment elsewhere I imported the Saturn version back in the day) and it was shocking.

My poor PS1 T.T

Some are on the cards for remakes such as Final Fight, Ghouls'n Ghosts and a few others.

Retro Core excellent! You might also consider doing battles of other multi-system games, not just arcade ports. For instance, which version of "Earthworm Jim" is the best and why. At least, I think that would be cool... Keep up the good work either way :)

You should definitely do so for Final Fight.

Rule of thumb is to always go for the Saturn port of any 2D based game.

I own the PS1 version because I don’t own a Saturn and I don’t find it to be terrible. But then again I’ve never played the original so I have nothing to compare it to.

Yep, it was too much for the PlayStation's ram to handle.

Not to mention it would be false advertising.

Yep, that's right. I made a bit of a cock-up there.

That always puzzled me as a teenager. Welcome to die, hahaha.

Sure, I'll be covering Marvel VS Street Fighter. I beleive the PlayStation port of that is far better than X-men vs Street Fighter.

Ah yes. I think that's included as standard in the Japanese Ex version.

wow, a code to play the game close to normal. terrible.

Hey, no worries ELJ_ I check th community translations about once a week these days now that I know people are submitting them. I'll add any new ones youve done this week.

The way Marvel is these days I bet it would be a licencing nightmare.

After reading your comment I decided to test it out for myself and I could do a video on it but this game does work with the 4MB Action Replay cart. I tested it on both my model 1 and model 2 Saturn consoles just to verify because I was certain that I played it a few years back when I got the game. Are you sure that there isn't something wrong with your Action Replay cart? Would it be possible that the earlier releases of that cart has issues with this game?

Deadly Gaming LV strange I have 3 Saturns,2 u.s ones and one Japanese one. I also have 2 action replays and 2 Capcom 4MB carts and 2 copys of xmen vs street fighter(I know i gotta sell some stuff) but my copys of xmen vs street fighter did not work with my u.s saturns with either action replay cart. Only with the Capcom 4MB cart, on my Japanese Saturn. Maybe I have an older version of the console or carts?

Not sure but I just did a quick video on it. I flashed my cart so that I could play backups but that doesn't matter. It worked even before I did that. You can check it out on my channel if you are curious. :)

That would be a dream come true!!!

That is right and the main reason why it's not on this video.

Actually, the next Capcom game to be covered is Vampire Hunter, the 2nd in the series. The title card is already made :) The next show will be a Namco game though. Vampire will follow that.

Yeah, the music is probably the best thing about it. Some of the X-men characters have pretty cool theme tunes. Same in X-men Children of the Atom.

Retro Core Fun thing is, four songs from CotA were brought back for this: Character Select (pitched higher and at a faster BPM), "Here Comes A New Challenger", Continue, and Game Over.

Or Juggernaut on the character select screen. He doesn't even move on the PlayStation version.

Sadly it may not work due to KZfaq's recompression. I'll have a look in to it though.

Ah, the rom online for this game will not even work on a real SNES. it has a protection code on it that stops it from running.

I heard that before when i tried to play the english rom of that Metal Slug Game Boy Colour bootleg, such an inconvenience.

That's right. Actually it's present in the Japanese version as default. They call it the Ex edition.

Nice. Its a good game.

They were all great until mvc3 which started the downfall.

Retro Core I thought that MVC 3 was a bit....Just a bit...Umbalanced. I mean i always used characthers that are kind of Unknow to rhe Average Joe like Strider Hiryu, Haggar or...Whatever...But...Just use Deadpool, Okami, Morrigan, Dante, Vergil...And you win everything! Where is the fun on that??? Ohh wait...On the plus side, we got Project X Zone! Which is not a fighting game, but a good RPG!

The SNES it's a pirated version. To be fair the port of PS1 is completely playable but yes, it sucks.

There was just not enough RAM to get a decent PS version.

Not to mention Jose, during that time Street Fighter Alpha 3 was ported to the PS1 and that version was faithful to the arcade.

Juan Martin Stehle heh, true, forgot about that port. Although that one should be a little easier on the RAM requirements, it does serve as a good point of comparison.

I wish I could get the SFC version on a cartridge with box :) There's also a Mega Drive version but I can't find that one.

mame better. just for that little 10 minute gameplay it's not worth to get a whole hardware anymore. just pc emulation best

Vasileios what i want to know with the sfc one is...why E.Honda's voice? Surely you would of used Ryu's

+Geo Belmont Honda's voice fits better :)

The Saturn would have still kept the tag feature but it would have had less animation for sure. Don't forget that the base Saturn has 1MB more ram than a PlayStation. There are many tag Fighters on the Saturn that don't use ram carts.

+Retro Core Many? Can you name a few because I cant recall any?

It does? I wonder if that's on the Japanese version as I've never noticed it. Pretty bad mistake if it is.

www.mobygames.com/game/marvel-vs-capcom-clash-of-super-heroes/cover-art/gameCoverId,198848/ the picture on the left with Wolverine and Gouki

Hahaha, what a mistake. That's not on the Japanese box.

another piece of trivia. i ONLY played the JPN version of mvc on dreamcast. why? because it has the FLASH OFF option. it totally removes all screen flashes which makes the game far cleaner and much more playable without distraction. the idea was to appeal to those who have seizures.

Just play X-Men vs Street Fighter on a Saturn via RGB. IT will look exactly like the arcade machine then. Tatsunoko vs Capcom I have on the Wii. It's okay but not the best.

Retro Core I'd rather have it on a modern system. I don't play any old school consoles anymore. I don't have the room.

Fair enough.

They sure did. I'll be covering that one next week.

Ah, the good old ultra Saturn Ram cart story. Sadly that's just a trolling story. There was a 3D booster cartridge however that neve rmade its way past the prototype stages. It was designed to give the Saturn the polygon power of a model 1 Arcade board. Something that powerful would have blown anything available until the Dreamcast out of the water. Sadly it was expensive and the Dreamcast was coming so the cart never came about. The PlayStation could have had a RAM extention at one point until SONY decided to remove the expansion port. This is what ultimately destroyed the idea. Still, even with a ram cart the PlayStation was still slower at disc accessing and general processing speed. So a ram card would have only resulted in more animation but we don't know if the hardware could have handled moving so much at 60fps. PlayStation was designed around 3D which it does very well for its age. The Saturn was designed around powerful 2D arcade hardware with 3D as an afterthought. Both Saturn and PlayStation can do good 2D and 3D but it's clear to see which is each systems strength and weekness. I could play Wipeout 2 on the Saturn and it is very smooth but the textures are lower resolution than the PlayStation. This is the exact same situation between Capcom Fighters being played on the PlayStation. You can enjoy them but they lack features found on the Saturn ports. Even ports that don't use extra ram carts.

😁 that is so true.

Surpringly not. I was filming this the Friday before Game Sack came out. It was actually surprised too when they featured it. I normally start filming these episodes at least a week before hand.

Can't say I disagree with you, 👍

Retro Core Love your vids, btw😆

Just as well 😎

Cool, I wasn't aware of that.

Ah, my Saturn has issues playing that game. I'll see if it will run on my other two Saturns.

👍

Hehe, it is funny.

you are right in both statements. The ripped music by the way is missing 2 channels I believe.

lightdark28 Street Fighter Aplha 2 was a bad port on PS1 too.

its not great, but arguably closer than this one as at least it didn't drop a core aspect of the game, It was mainly just sluggish and had the usual animation cuts. This takes out the biggest distinguishing feature of the game.

It really is a shame this never got a release in the UK. KOF 95 sold quite well there.

Hi Gareth 👍

Psylocke is sexy! I wish she was in the real game as a playable character. She only appears trapped in a tube on the final stage.

But the uba cool kids play the rare Mega Drive version.

:O

Just an overall bad port.

Capcom really figured things out from optimizing their PlayStation port of Street Fighter Alpha 3, because Darkstalkers 3 and Capcom vs SNK Pro weren't that bad compared to this port.

Yes, the game will not run without the 4MB Ram cartridge.

The PS port is a playable game, I agree with that but sadly its not XMEN Vs Street Fighter. I'll be doing Marvel VS Street Fighter next. That faired better on the PlayStation.

Oh yes, this is one of those pirate games that makes most pirate games look professional. It's really bad 😋

street fighter alpha 2 was the final miracle that capcom put on the snes. that game should not even have been possible for the system but it made it there. doesn't run arcade perfect with load times and low sounding music but it is very much playable

It is really playable and honestly impressive.

It sure is.

I’m not a PlayStation fan myself but Sony kind of just got lucky with some choices 1. Ps1- Sega fucked up the Saturn launch as most people know releasing it prematurely and which angered retailers and 3rd party developers. It was also $100 more than ps1 at launch which basically guaranteed that Sony would win that war. Nintendo went the route with cartridges on the n64 which made it hard for developers to develop their games on it with limited space on cartridges plus cartridges were more pricey to produce games in then cds. Ps1 basically was handed all the third party support and fan fare because of its competitors making bad choices 2. Ps2- DVD player at a time when dvds were popular and DVD players were pricey. No other console at that generation had a DVD player (GameCube has the Panasonic q in Japan but that was much later and didn’t sell well because Japan loves PlayStation). With the ps1 being so popular all the 3rd party support carried over to the ps2 despite the ps2 having weaker hardware then both the GameCube and the Xbox 3. Psp- With how popular the other PlayStation consoles were this was no doubt this one would be popular as well. The first Sony handheld which felt like a handheld ps2, had a great library of games and was much more powerful than its main competitor the ds. Unfortunately Nintendo was in the handheld market for years and understood that demographic so Sony came in second place behind the ds 4. Ps3 First time Sony fucked up. Although I read that it actually cost Sony $900 to produce each console, that $600 launch price was just too high especially since the 360 came out a year before that with a much cheaper launch price. This was one of the times where the roles were reversed for Sony when they had the more powerful console but ended up being third place behind its competitors because of a shaky start. Ps3 would eventually barely out sell the 360 in its lifespan due to it having a much better second half than its first half but you couldn’t help but feel they still lost to the 360 and Wii during its prime. 4. Ps vita- essentially the same reason the ps3 had a bad start, the vita despite being very powerful was just too expensive. Between the price of the handheld itself and then the fact that you had to buy the memory card separately which was also expensive and also the fact that it lacked true backwards compatibility, had this console be the biggest flop for Sony in the console market. It does still have a great library of games and tons of support from Japan and indie games that still exists today. PS4- basically the same story as the as the ps1, bad decisions from its competitors made it the default console to buy. This is my basic reasoning for the success of most of the PlayStation consoles, ironically when Sony had more powerful hardware than their competitors they actually did worse than when they had inferior hardware

I agree. A high quality sprite hack with modified intro would have been great.

That's because Sega of America refused to bring out every single game that required them or could have benefited from it here, also you HAD to use the packed in 4 MB RAM cart to play this game as it was not optional. But by your logic of comparing games then you also cant compare any N64 games that use that RAM expansion either? Bottom line is that the Saturn port was and is amazing and it is because of the RAM cart.

we could make the argument that based on the add on = doesn't count logic, games like Starfox, SNES Doom , Rockman X3 , Virtua Racing, etc, shouldn't be counted because they all use some sort of co processor in the cartridge.

Sure, why not? N64 arcade ports that take advantage of the RAM expansion is an incredibly small, possibly non-existent sub-set of the N64 library. Before the internet became mainstream only a small slice of the audience could even access import games, they'd have had no idea that Saturn RAM expansions even existed.

An incredibly weak argument, you never had to buy separate components and assemble functional Starfox cartridges yourself, PAL amd NTSC Saturns didn't come with the RAM expansion.

doesn't matter ,its not stock hardware.

The last good Capcom fighter foot me was Marvel VS Capcom 3. The last gest Capcom fighter was Marvel VS Capcom 2 on the Dreamcast.