So the game is ever dumber, awesome.

I hate you.... Or love you.

@@MattMcMuscles you thought the mechanic was dumb but show accurate, but turns out it was dumb and not show accurate. Fantastic.

I was going to comment this, but I guess I was too slow

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To quote Optimus Prime: "I'm cumming"

To quote Rattrap: "We're all going to die."

To quote Megatron: "Yeeeeeeeesss..."

To quote Dinobot: "OPPORTUNISTIC VERMIN!"

Huh. Even had he kept the Matrix, he still would have been boned because nobody to open it... But you'd think with millions of years of prep time, they'd have eventually found a way to stop Unicron... Remembering this Unicron was just, some big robot built by some alien. He wasn't a facet of a dark gods pan universal omni-consciousness.

@@beardedbear9901 That too was retconned into him being a facet of a dark gods pan universal omni-consciousness since Primus was introduced as a concept in the comics first, then referenced in Beast Machines... yeah. They would have had to go back, stop Beast Megs from killing Prime and essentially reset the timeline.

The cartoon sort of addresses that. Megatron himself says that he was unwilling to through with such a risky plan at first, but by that point in the Beast Wars, he was borderline insane with ambition and completely out of options. Optimus Primal was onto his plan and the other Predacons had been defeated. Megatron’s defeat was assured if he didn’t play his trump card.

Some deep mythos for a bad guy in a movie made to sell you on new characters aka new toys (movie is awesome though for realzies)

Yeah but Waspinator showed that's not that big a deal. Just rule the cavemen with lasers, stay worshipped as a god and steer their civilization towards space travel and busting up the Autobots if they really need to scratch that itch.

Crazy!

Holy crap, that would actually make the vehicle mode useful.

One of the guys who worked at GenAzea apparently said that this was done without their knowledge, and very late in development; he didn't even find out until after he bought a used cart post-release. He blamed Nintendo, but I've no idea why Nintendo would be meddling in the game design decisions of specifically the English version of a game they didn't work on and was based on a Hasbro/Takara IP.

@@LonelySpaceDetective Late to this party but - yes, that would be me. I couldn't believe it myself when I heard the explanation from our producer when he got back to me after I informed him about what I found. He said that "Super Mario Club", a department in Nintendo that was assigned to approving the game for publishing would not allow the game to be released because the characters "looked bad" when they were zoomed back. It was unclear whether Nintendo themselves did the modification or if they had Locomotive do it, but it was without the knowledge, approval or consent of Genazea or Bam and they had no business interfering with a mechanic like that which affected gameplay. I wrote an extensive section in the manual that explained the rock-paper-scissors mechanic of the 3 modes, when at the various distances made for an amazingly strategic gameplay dynamic - which was now completely ruined by this change. I still have the prototype of what should have been final gold master - English with zoom gameplay intact. I guess this works out for me personally since its now worth a fortune, but having a game needlessly ruined like that is among the most sour experiences I've ever had as a developer or fan of gaming, and I've been through some pretty bad stuff as Mr. McMuscles surely knows. :/

@@CRISHTANG Haha, no harm no foul about being late; considering I'm days late myself since YT didn't tell me someone responded. Wasn't expecting to get a response from you. Such a weird situation, like the Japanese version with its supposed "characters looking bad when camera's zoomed out" issue apparently passed Nintendo's tests before, and off the top of my head I'm not aware of any similar stories of Nintendo meddling in that way with games they had no invested interest in or involvement (not that this didn't happen to other games, I just can't think of any). The closest comparison I can come up with is how Sony Computer Entertainment's evaluation team made a bunch of experimental demands for 5000ft, Inc's PS2 Daredevil game (such adding a mechanic where Daredevil could grind on ledges with his baton; Tony Hawk-style) which often went against Marvel's wishes for the game, and ultimately led to Marvel pulling the license and the game getting cancelled.

Yeah, I was going to comment in that if nobody else did. Though in fairness, this game features Transmetal forms that didn't exist in the show, so I guess there's room to argue that other things could be different too.

Hey he only farted that one time!

And it's not in the PS1 version either, it's just N64.

@@KodyCrimson Ok THAT is super weird... such a basic gameplay change....

Gameboy one made by Takara was fun

Well thankfully we have Forged to fight now, and that Gameboy color game was surprisingly good too

There was one, on PC and PS1, which was released a couple of years before either Transmetals game. It was... also not very good.

​@Nix91I need cunning mouthy rat Scott McNeil roasting honorable himbo bird dog Scott McNeil in a fighting game now. Dumb cartoony Waspinator style dismemberments for fatalities and brutalities so we get those ridiculous moments like Rhinox going ham with the twin chain guns or Dinobot pulling some fancy sword work, Rattrap pulling out a whole arsenal for all the Dakka. Megatron gives a rubber ducky as a friendship, could even bring back Hara Kiri with the ways that characters, mostly Waspinator and Inferno would get taken out by their own attack in some comedic fashion at times. Give us Starscream in Waspinator's body as a secret boss

I think it's kind of a good MOBA setup more than anything. Two small groups of powerful, distinct character designs, fighting each other for ground and resources in a hostile world, able to be rebuilt back at base as long as they hold on to said base and don't all die at once etc.

@@zeroattentiongaming820 fuck yeah dude

​@@zeroattentiongaming820 You just made me imagine cutscenes where you can vaguely hear Starscream's phantom saying shit like "Look to Dos Lunas".

Holy crap, I forgot the Energon thing wasn't a thing by that season, lol

@@MattMcMuscles it literally became a fart joke in the show by this point

​@@MattMcMuscles Stake fortunate fighters

@@Rydouu if you are referring to the episode where Rhinox farts (I swear, most episodes aren’t like that) I believe that happened before they got Transmetal forms. Although Rhinox technically never got a Transmetal form in the show.

@@BigBoy257 nope, cheetor let's one go in a Rampage episode in S2

You're not alone. I loved this game on N64 as a kid as well. I rented it many many times. I would even go to the options menu to listen to the music. I still have my original copy I got used from the local block buster back in the mid 2000s with the sticker on the back still on. Don't play it much these days kus much better things have come out. But I would never agree that this game sucks. Still a fun time. Can't wait to one day show all my old retro games to my kids one day when I have a family of my own.

I played a lot of the PS1 version as a young kid and remember enjoying it. Probably would hate it now

Nah, I enjoyed this one as a kid. The ps1 version that is.

I liked it too.

Same The only thing I hated about the game was that I couldn't buy it at the time lol

It's fucked

Was gonna point that out. Best BW character

would have been a cool unlockable, but by this point he was Code of Hero'd

Huh? How would you do that?

You have to put the Japanese Beast wars Game boy colour game in a transfer pack, so you don't really put them together, but still cool.

I’m not sure I follow. What do you mean exactly?

And it will happen to YOU!

​@@BigBoy257 Simpsons reference

Do we sell french...friiiees?

My dream fighting game would be something with the looks of DBZF and the gameplay of SF6.

Some thing like Gundam Battle Assault 2?

Porque no esta interesado en otra pelicula de Transformers.

I think it was called Hollywood Video? Or was there a different one?

@@ClarkKentai Hollywood Video, you are correct. Guess it's just been that long huh? Fuck, wish it still had a store around like Blockbuster still does.

IIRC later they mentioned how Transmetals also had an increased resistance to Energon exposure, making it even less relevant, and reducing any remaning raw energon to the Transformers equivalent of exploding red barrels in video games.

To be fair though, Fighting games are the PERFECT spot to put no names like Windrazor.

it's also wild they added Transmetal Airrazor and Terrorsaur to the game. Also Transmetal Terrorsaur looks fucking atrocious, I was sad they axed him but if THAT'S what he would look like I'm kinda glad they did.

To be fair putting obscure nobodies in the Spotlight at least once is Transformers motto at this point

@@ironmaster6496 fair point but man this was back in the 90's

The FGC has been very much alive and well this whole time, and doesn't suddenly revive every time a Street Fighter, Tekken or MK gets announced.

The fgc was always around, and has been active and doing well for a while now, but there is a different between "active" and "in full swing". With mainstreams games like Tekken, MK and SF being hyped around the same time, Guilty Gear strive becoming it's serie's biggest success, a New Fatal Fury/Garou from SnK after more than 2 decades, Rollback Netcode finally becoming a standard even in Japanese games, more and more indie fighting games, franchises like granblue, Lol, DnF getting their fighting game spinoffs which get part of their audience to discover the genre, etc The FGC isn't just alive and well, it's more active and mainstream than it has been in ages.

Well when silverbolt gets his next toy in next year's legacy line, I'm sure they'll make a new windrazor.

@TheDragonDAFan He was Botcon 2000, which was just a month before the game came out in the US, and would've been in the works for a fair bit beforehand.

The theme to the Japanese dub has its appeal too, in that it’s as hip-hop as the original version was metal.

Yeah, at least Rhinox can make a bit of sense because lore-wise he was usually mission control and has a bit of a peaceful disposition. But not having Dinobot is inexcusable!

Don't even get me started on how they butchered Rat Trap and Rhinox

Maybe it's because I saw Beast Machines first, but I didn't hate it as much as the Internet seems to. Was it _great_ no, not really, but it did feel like an interesting diversion in canon. Transformation as a pseudo-spirtual experience, getting closer to their organic beast mode was an interesting concept.

"I was a fool back then, I BELIEVED in things" - Edgebolt

​​​@@SkyeV5 See, it's stuff like this I don't get. Silverbolt had his spark, his soul, ripped out of his body, watched megaton destroy cybertron, never permitted to die in a big old jar and then found himself enslaved in a vehicon. It doesn't really feel _that_ weird for an idealistic hero to lose hope when, literally, all hope seems lost. You can make similar arguments for Rhinox. Yes for the audience it seemed sudden, but the time between Megatron escaping to Cybertron and the remaining Maximals arriving isn't really measured, if I recall correctly. But it's implied to be a long time.

@@SkyeV5 “Words nothing more than air” Edgebolts another edgy line from are once heroic knight turned dark knight.

I mean, he was popular enough that they killed off Terrorsaur instead of him for it.

That's cool! The N64 credits were there, but I think I missed the PSX credits somehow? I was working on this more than a week ago.

@@MattMcMuscles I probably added them right after you were doing your research then. T_T

they're not

Me Big Boy love Jonathan’s war stories!

Much obliged... just as long as ya keep yer noodle outta my face!

It doesn't suck, and I won't be covering it.