I was directed here from Sprinkle's response to Butterfield's criticism. This grieves me. I'm such a huge admirer of these three (and always will be). I take Butterfield's caution seriously re: anything that erodes our understanding of the gospel, and not having read Embodied, I'm quite open to the idea that Sprinkle has said some things that need to be sharply challenged. My grief, however, is that Sprinkle has reached out to have a direct conversation with Butterfield about this and was denied. It's just bad behaviour to make these kinds of accusations publicly but not be willing to engage Sprinkle (even privately) when he tells you you're misrepresenting him. I'm grieved to see this from someone I admire so deeply.

If I watched this without any prior knowledge of this book or the author, these comments would lead me to the assumption that the author holds to affirming views and theology, and is not willing to commit to difficult biblical truths. Comments to the effect that Preston Sprinkle is ‘leading people along the wrong path’ and suggesting he is promoting a ‘gospel that requires no self-denial’ certainly suggest that he is in favour (in the context of this book) of people embracing ‘self-identity’ and in favour of transitioning. More broadly it would suggest that he affirms same-sex relationships. That is a gross misrepresentation. Furthermore, while I think it would be fair to ask questions about the particular section discussed, I believe a more nuanced approach and a wider discussion of the context of that particular passage would be more helpful. I believe it is important to call out wrong or misleading teaching, however I believe that the tone of this conversation and belittling comments directed toward the author were ungracious, and not a fair representation.

It’s sad to see three cowards criticizing someone as valuable and knowledgeable as Preston sprinkle and go on to hide on a high horse, unable to have a conversation claiming that he is so greatly heretical that it’s not worth an open dialogue between accused and accuser.

Would really love to see Preston on the show, he is a great speaker and christian, and I think you'd find his explanations to be very beneficial as it does feel like Rosaria is being slightly uncharitable with his words here

Why didn't you interview the author for clarification? Christians should be able to have civil conversations about disagreements and issues.

Oh my goodness, you no longer EVER appear in my feed! I had to search for you to find you. Thank goodness you're still going strong! Bless you, Becket!

Rosaria has much good to contribute, but she misrepresented Preston Sprinkle in her review. The use of "scare quotes" MAY indicate derision or skepticism of an idea, but it may also indicate a sense of irony. To write about "the fall" does not necessarily imply derision or skepticism. Rather, it would be an invitation to explore the nuances of what is meant by the doctrine. Rosaria chose to use the worst possible meaning associated with what Preston wrote in his book, Embodied, thus poisoning the well, and negatively coloring the rest of the discussion in this video clip. In agreement with Rosaria, Preston could have tightened up his theological analysis, as the Gospel Coalition review also stated. But the wholly negative characterization of Embodied in this video is seriously unfortunate. Becket: you should get Preston on your channel to offer a response. Furthermore, Rosaria is certainly well-read enough to know that most Reformed interpreters speak of Adam's Fall in terms of "felix culpa," Latin for "O, Happy Fall." Is she willing to dump the language of felix culpa that critics of the Reformed tradition find objectionable?

Thank you for the refreshing splash 💦 of truth!

Love seeing these 3 beautiful trophies of His grace and hearing their thoughts. ❤

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I wish Preston was here to defend himself. It would be interesting to hear him discussing this with Becket.

Amazing, and thank you for sharing! These truly are the LAST DAYS promised to believers in the Bible! Come, Lord Jesus, and take Your people home!! 🙏🙏❤❤👍👍😊😊👏👏

Rosaria is so great a blessing! We could listen to her and learn from her so much more than what airtime we find of her. Praise God for you Becket! You surround yourself with many godly people, providing so much knowledge and direction to those of us, that want truth, and the application of it in our lives. Please pass on to Rosaria how very much we appreciate her insight and teaching.

You have the most wonderful guests. ❤️ your channel!

We are lost as Christians in many ways - Calvinism notwithstanding - we must test ALL claims that rely on men and their opinions rather than the clear Gospel. Totally agree.

I’ve read and listened to both Mrs. Butterfield and Preston Sprinkle. I love Rosaria’s testimony and I love Preston’s careful scholarship and his heart for people. I was disappointed with Mrs. Butterfield’s critique without clarification and discussion with Preston first!

It's called passion and commitment to the word of God and we need more if it!❤

Thanks!

Would you consider inviting preston sprinkle on your show to talk about these things? From what I've heard from him I don't think he believes a lot of things this video makes him out to believe. I love all of the people on this roundtable discussion as well as preston sprinkle, so it confuses me to see you all disagreeing. It feels like something is missing

To Rosaria, Becket, and Christopher-- thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!! This is pure gold!

Bravo to all of you. This was so necessary!! Keep spreading the Truth!! Thank you!!

Thank you for all of you following Christ and speaking the Truth in love.🙌🙏

Beckett. I thank god for you. You wish to glorify him and give voice to people who are truly Christians. Thank you brother to lead us among the wolves

So grateful for all of your ministries. Christopher, Rosaria and Becket.

If Rosario had half the patience for Preston’s argument that she had for herself the lesbian professor, she would not be saying the things she says THE WAY she says them here. This is IMO a disagreement about approach rather than core theology. Predictable but still disappointing. Beckett, Rosaria, have a discussion with Preston Sprinkle. Be adults.

Preston addressed this on his podcast, you really should listen to him explain and read his book before jumping to conclusions. He DOES believe in the fall, so she literally spends minutes complaining about a something he believes in. Total strawman argument. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Love, love, love your show!! So thankful that you are not afraid to speak truth!!!!

“Because it’s a gospel that requires no self-denial” BINGO

5:27 My first thought was that this sound a lot like ideas presented in disability theology. Many of them sound a lot like this with this type of reasoning. Nancy Eiesland was probably one that Preston was referring to.

Thank you Becket ❤️Great information.

I love the 3 of you speaking truth about all of this when so many (so called Christians, churches, etc) are so ready to accept to all of lies … we do need you and all others who are doing this … finding you Becket has been a miracle for me 😊

good clip

So very good. THANK YOU Rosaria.❤

I interpret the quotation marks for emphasis for readers who are non-believers. I believe his primary target audience is not a Christian one, per se. Many Christians benefit from the book particularly in trying to better understand the complexities Preston so deftly writes about. I did not interpret it as anything other than a clarification.

Thank you again Becket, such important information

I've been wondering lately. To set the context an old friend of mine at Church would always ask two questions upon seeing you... What is the Lord showing you? and What are you reading in your quiet time? I don't think i've dropped the habit of asking but i just wait a little longer into the conversation these days... What is surprising to me, and having just transitioned from one church assembly where the pastor's interpretation is the only one, regardless if it lines up with scripture (and actually not...) , so i moved on... But what is surprising is first how few people study or going deeper from what my unofficial survey might be. If someone is reading something let's say 10-15% of all the people I'll ask, of that small number of people in the Church that are even reading and studying might be again only another 10-15% of them are reading scripture first then another book... Might be a good reason i might paraphrase some verses and hear people tell me "Dan, that isn't biblical..." huh? Or in a bible study one night we were talking about what faith is. Again paraphrased Heb 11:1 and the person responded with "Well that is your opinion... I believe faith is..." Hehe a younger me would have jumped all over him, but trying to mellow out and be a little more gracious, at least he is in the Bible study ☺ And yes after about four month i tried coming alone side and help clarify it for him, not that i'm some grand know it all, i just point people to what God has said and get people in line with scripture. But now we get to the point why i'm even leaving a response. I'm getting to the point where i wonder if a Christian reads and studies.... Should it be the Bible or other books written by other men... Or another way i've been considering it there seems to be two facets. One facet is... Isn't it "Spiritual Adultery" to first read other books forsaking God and going after man's wizDUMB? As good as another "Christian Author" might be? Still another person/human as well meaning and honest they might be to scripture, how would they line up in a sense of reliability and authority with scripture...? The second facet, i wonder if we consider reading and studying thing might be in a way more like that tithe. Meaning my tithe when i give should be first to and only to my local assembly... Nothing stops me from giving more *AFTER* i have given my tithe... Kind of a loose parallel but sure you can see the point. There is a basic requirement one could assert should be met, reading the scripture first and tithing first, anything beyond that is more on a free will basis.. Not that reading or learning from other is bad, the first should be one's own personal responsibility... While there is one more tangent, while we are on the subject that seems rather prevalent. I've seen a couple ministries which have "Public Reading of Scripture" and anyone in the Zoom meeting might stand up after reading a passage and give their own interpretation saying "I feel this is telling me xxx!" "Feeling, nothing more than feelings..." Doesn't matter if it lines up with the scripture... "Feeling, trying to forget life... haha..." That is the other thing i find so prevalent in most churches, or with most professing followers of Christ these days. Many will stay a given passage is teaching 'x'... While if one really gets in and studies or understands what the passage which most orthodox (non-liberal) teachers would say it is teaching is completely different from what what the person said it is saying to them... Not to say God's word isn't living and active, just hard hearing one ramble on what a passage generally is addressing another subject is now all about what it "means to them..." Why would i be so critical about this, the issue is more often when i see/hear this happening it doesn't line up with the rest of scripture... That is why for me it seems there is a problem. In a nutshell what it seems is happening is with the proliferation with so many Christian authors and books, seems many have an attitude it is perfectly fine to chime in what they think a passage means. Seriously who are you to say 'x' is right or wrong, this is true for me because i think.... Hmmm, The heart is deceitfully wicked? Anyway as with most stuff, glad to see Mr. Becket bringing attention to this... Last observation we might do well to remember.... The single biggest warning in scripture about the last days.... "Do not be deceived..." But so easy when most professing Christians don't even have a clue what the Bible says. Not trying to be harsh, just my unofficial observation. So in the end just seems more like spiritual adultery to go after foreign gods, oops i mean other sources of truth than the Bible...?

I love to hear her talk/teach, but I do wish she allowed more time for Becket & his other guest to interject their thoughts.

The fact that Butterfield will only discuss her diatribe against Preston Sprinkle in an echo chamber is highly concerning.

Preston attends my old church, Calvary Chapel Boise. He is allowed to have his conferences there-3 so far in last 3 years.

I love Beckett's podcast speaking the truth and sharing his testimony along with many others....and sharing whats a lie is so important these days!! Mr. Sprinkles is possibly not who he claims to be/ a non-christian more like it, It needs to be taken out of Church libraries and any Bible study materials,

What are scare quotes?

Wow, when did she get so uncharitable? It's hard to imagine she would misread the book like this by accident. Does she really not know the difference between transgender and intersex? Or does she actually believe that intersex conditions are sinful? It's sad to see her misrepresent Preston's work like this

It's in Black, Red and on White paper, are we reading the same word of GOD and how are they not seeing what's written?

Becket it’s so great you keep featuring rosaria and Christopher. They’re rock solid Christian’s and Rosaria’s communication is so incisive and thoroughly reformed. And I bought Christopher’s book.

This is sad. From what I know about Butterfield and Sprinkle, they are in basic agreement on the historic, orthodox, biblical sexual ethic, i.e., that sexual activity is appropriate only in a one-woman-one-man covenant marriage. Her characterization of Sprinkle's views appears uncharitable, inaccurate (as far as I can tell from reading him) - and then she refuses to engage in conversation with him! She seems determined to put the worst possible spin on what he says. Disappointing - hadn't seen this side of her before, but it makes me wary. Yuan piling on also lowered him in my esteem.

Thank you, much DISCERNMENT needed in the body of Christ. Too much Biblical illiteracy in America when we have access to so many Bibles.

Boy she loves to throw around the phrase "heretics;" she's very generous with her usage of that

Preston actually responded to this clip, and to me it addressed a lot of mischaracterizations that were used here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h71mpZp2t5mVk4E.html

Chosen But Free is a dangerous book

It’s so encouraging to hear people able to call a spade a spade. I’m in full agreement with her comments. However, there is a mocking tone in the way it’s discussed that I think does all three a disservice. Even as we admonish each other, there’s a way that we do so that leaves a taste of being so assured of our rightness and correctness that is almost smug in its expression. And that makes me sad here despite my agreeing with the crux of their discussion of this book.

I actually read that book, mainly trying to gain better understanding of how to properly biblically handle my daughter living in a same sex relationship and I have read all rosarias books, christopher’s book, and beckets book and finishing Rosarios last book now-I was glad to hear at the end that Sprinkle called homosexuality a sin from what I can remember all the way at the end of the book, I was really stunned at some of the info in the book, but the thing that made me sort of wish I hadn’t read it was a short time later someone sent me an video of Sprinkle and maybe Chan saying that annihilation was proven biblically-which I think Rosaria mentioned in her last book. I thank God for Rosaria, Yuan and then Becket and most of all the Holy Spirit for all the help and testimonies-I expect my daughter and even her “friend” also from a Christian family will have their eyes opened and surrendered and living for God as all yall are. Praise the Lord

I’m so confused by the way in which the term evangelical is used and characterized. So many now say that they are evangelical and are indeed aiming to be more conservative and biblically literal. For example, this is online when googled, “Mainline Protestant churches predominantly have a liberal theology while evangelical churches predominantly have a fundamentalist or moderate conservative theology. I attend ECO Presbyterian which is now one of the most conservative and expository sects of Presbyterian. The term evangelical in their context is missional. So confused ….

Wild. What a strange take from Rosaria.

Take away The Fall. Take away the need for The Savior.

I love the show and the content that is discussed. However so far the conversation is very one sided.I would love to see Preston on the show with all of you so that he can address the ongoing concerns that you all seem to have with him. I've read 'People to be loved' and loved it and watched quite a bit of his show, he seems to be one of a few people that are addressing the gap between the church and LGBT people in meaningful ways.

Becket Cook, I believe you, along with your two friends, have better ways of helping others give their lives to Christ. Thankfully, the three of you are blessed not to suffer with aphasia. You can speak fluently, and in my beliefs, are you born again? yes

Thank you, Rosaria! We need more “cranky grandmas” like you!

This feels like a bad faith critique. There are a lot pf conclusions that are jumped to here.

I don’t get it. I looked up gospel coalition Canada and three of the first four books they recommend to read to understand ‘pride month’ are rosary’s and Christopher’s. (Sorry Becket).

I think it is clear that Becket is not interested in balance. Look at all the posts he likes. Maybe he gets a kick out of being uncharitable to other brothers in Christ. Has he mentioned Preston being invited on? Also Preston has responded and made this interaction look really bad 🙏🏽

The word’s called discernment, and Rosario has it.

Somehow I knew Sprinkle would be involved in this video.

I think me and Becket are cut from the same cloth… we’re trying not to chuckle at the same places in this clip! 😊

This is an uncharitable and incorrect review/accusation of a brother in Christ. There is a charitable, gracious way to disagree with a brother and point out what you believe to be a signifant error in theology; sadly, they completely missed the mark. For those joining Rosaria and Christopher in mocking the idea of disability theologians, you might look up theology of disability. Arrogance and ignorance are an unpleasant combination, especially in a follower of Christ.

What is the name of the book, pls? Who wrote it? Preston who?

In response to an earlier comment, I think it’s loving to speak the truth and warn others. I wonder if the apostle Paul was referred to as a shrill-moralist and know-it-all for saying, for example, “O foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you… are you so foolish…?” (Gal. 3:1-3) Rosaria, thank you for taking a stand for truth. You take to heart the exhortation in God’s word, “Study to show yourself approved unto God… rightly handling the word of truth.” 2Tim 2:15. Beckett, thank you for hosting!

This lady is good

A person puts something in square-quotes if they don't believe its true?! - Sorry, but as a PhD and former university scholar Rosaria should know better.

Amen Rosaria!

Man. I’m so disappointed by this interview. This seems like SUCH a silly thing to ‘debate’. I’ve read both Rosaria and Sprinkle and I think they should be coming together. This is disunity at its finest. This is exactly what the enemy wants us to be focused on. I believe Preston believes in inerrancy of scripture and I think Rosaria is missing it altogether.

When someone claims not being able to understand a phrase (disability theologian) because an author doesn’t cite their source (which took 5 seconds to google) makes them “Some old grandma like me” I have a hard time believing them. It makes it even harder when they are doing an online video interview; they clearly have the technology skills to search out a phrase on the internet.

I'm glad to find this site and read the comments questioning Rosaria's actions against Preston. For a long time (maybe 10 years) I've had a still quite voice warning me about her stridency. I recall reading how she was speaking out about only using the Psalter for church music. She came from a very self-righteous position on this issue. I thought, "wait a minute, here.....how does only using the Psalter sit with Paul's teaching to use psalms, hymns and spiritual songs" in worship (Ephesians 5:19)? Well, I couldn't be bothered to actually speak up about this, but since then I've been careful to read her "pronouncements" with an eye to "Is this biblical?" She definitely violated scripture by not addressing this privately with Preston, and hiding behind her husband and pastor is just plain goofy. I would add "ditto" to her jumping on CRU at a public event.....that isn't the way believers are to address grievances. In conclusion, I encourage Rosaria fans to be careful before jumping on her bandwagon.

I just discovered her, but I love Rosaria! She just tells it like it is!

1:50 So blindness and deafness are sins. John 9 answers this well

I am extremely grateful for Rosaria's ministry and her profound witness to the Holy Spirit's power to change a human heart. However, in this particular case, Rosaria is unambiguously wrong. I can't imagine a more clear example of poor reading, especially from a professor of literature. Reading Embodied "very carefully" as Rosaria says she has done refutes her critique, and refutes Christopher's comparison of Preston's writing to that of atheists and Rob Bell. Disagree and debate these matters all day long - I'm for it. But publicly labeling someone as a false teacher, a new age advocate, or comparing a fellow Christian to an atheist, without being willing to engage that person publicly about their views, is cowardly.

LET'S BLUR THE LINES! IT IS WRITTEN!: IN THE LAST DAYS DARKNESS WILL COVER THE EARTH AND GROSS DARKNESS THE PEOPLE! SHALOM

The best way to understand why Preston Sprinkle put “the fall” in quotes would be to engage with the author. It’s unfortunate that this kind of evangelical malpractice and fear mongering happens. Want answers and to model Jesus like behavior? Talk with Preston.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for warning ⚠️ us about books like this. It's so hard to know what books (and there are so many) are ok. My family is just starting to read and study the Bible (which I know there are many translations) and my granddaughter (14 almost 15 yrs old) will pick a list of "recommended" books she got from I'm not sure where 📚 and then I'm trying to figure out if those are going to be biblically sound or not. It's hard. One of the books she wanted had something like "finding your true self and living the life you are meant to live on the front" and I had this feeling I just wonder what that might be about. She reads very little, so when she does read I want it to be the right books if it's supposed to be Christian nonfiction and about faith. I am learning so much and realizing how much confusion there is about the Bible and Christianity. 😞😔 My daughter is new to the Bible and is always being questioned about her faith & the Bible and it seems like people are always trying to disprove the Bible and we are always trying to explain it, defend it. When my daughter asked "who is Isaiah?" I knew we had a long way to go!!

Ms.Rosaria is leaving NO CRUMBS. ❤

It is imperative to address every false claim, and because his book is public his claims must be addressed publically. After this video though, wouldn't the Biblical response be to reach out to Preston yourselves and have a dialogue with him? You could be like Priscilla correcting Apollos' theology in Acts 18. He is open to dialogue, and it would be beneficial to talk to him. Wouldn't it be amazing to walk away from a conversation with him knowing that he listened to you bring every word of his and your own back to scripture? How beneficial would it be to watch him possibly repent of his thinking or be able to expand on his thoughts with you and then be provided proper correction when necessary? Have you guys tried to reach out to him at all?

Wow, I honestly have heard great things about Rosaria, but she was not very charitable here! Preston on the other hand was respectful and spoke well of Rosaria, though he clearly differs. I think he had the better approach to disagreement...

What are the dangerous books? This is confusing.

I just love all 3 of you for your love and devotion to Jesus and promoting the truth of the beautiful gospel. Thank you for pointing out the subtle but very suggestive language of a "bible scholar" (yes, those are scare quotes lol) who craftily spins the truth for a lie. This especially grieves me because more and more children are profoundly confused and their identity is based on these false teachings. Too many parents are concluding that in order to love their child, it means to walk their teenager/young adult for "medical treatments/procedures" (oops, scare quotes again ) that are so harmful, that they remind me of a horror story out of a nazi concentration camp. I call all this subtle teaching nothing less than child abuse and its ripple effects are doing so much damage to our children's minds and souls. A person's value and worth is so much more than this and it's amazing that God thought so too and came to redeem us all. Love and hugs to you three 🙂

Rosaria comes off very ivory towerish. So does Yuan 🙏🏽

Talk about being selective. He very obviously believes in the fall. And intersex is... biological. So... maybe we should be careful talking about birth defects as a sinful desire? It's not a brag if you've never heard of a disability theologian.

Read the Aquarian Conspiracy by Marilyn Ferguson. That explains it.

this clip is so disappointing. i saw C. Yuan at a Rethink conference, I've listened to R.Butterfield on Socrates in the City and I have attended Preston's conference and have read the book. What I find so insulting is the condescending laughter and comments that emerge in the 7 min I watched this. Christians being so accusatory with other Christians.. here we go again. Butterfield was UNWILLING to allow Sprinkle to respond yet she makes these claims? That is hugely irresponsible and heretical in my opinion..Even if you posture yourself as having the right perspective of this, what about Matthew 18:15? "If your brother sins, go and point out their fault.."? It DOES NOT SAY throw daggers at them in a condescending way. You are required as a believer to address the issue. It's irresponsible Christianity, harmful and terrible journalism. They are VERY clear about their theological principles, post-modern, really? Check with them and you'll see their perspectives are valid and theologically aligned with the Bible, are yours?

My daughter and son in law are caught up in Sprinkle’s “theology in the raw”. I am heart sick.

Yeh, “Keep it simple, Stupid”. 😣

I'd never heard of scare quotes in Australia. I wouldn't have seen it as such a bad thing without you explanation. The rest of what you quoted would have put up red flags though.

Wow Rosario your amazing! Thank you for showing us this false teacher

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With all due respect, this has been the issue since the church split 500 years ago. This is not new!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dangerous lies!

‘How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the law of the Lord,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the word of the Lord, what kind of wisdom do they have? From the least to the greatest, all are greedy for gain; prophets and priests alike, all practice deceit…. ¹¹ They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. “Peace, peace,” they say, when there is no peace. ¹² Are they ashamed of their detestable conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. Jeremiah 8:8-9, 11-12 Sometimes I think Jeremiah was preaching directly to us in June 2023…

I think this type of conversation is dangerous, irresponsible and unbiblical. The bible is very clear about how to handle conflict/disagreements ( Matthew 18:15-20). Start with the source. Why isn't Preston Sprinkle on the show also? I am not saying your content is wrong, instead, how you approach this conversation isn't biblical. It just becomes the worldly way of creating disharmony, conflict and another way to gossip. In the name of what or Who? I love Rosario's conversion's testimony , however, all glory goes to the LORD, which is biblical also. I know she underwent major criticism before and after conversion. I was surprised to hear her misquote the book, speak with a dramatic tone and refusal to talk with Mr. Sprinkle himself.

It is so strange because God said everything He created wass good. Yet common sense shows that 2 men or 2 women do not fit, it's simply unnatural, like Rom 1 says, and this is not to indult those eho have this predilection.

This is so unkind and uncharitable to a man who loves Jesus and the church. To mock his credentials, it’s so demeaning. Rosaria’a critique lacked any sense of grace and respect for a brother in Christ. Jesus calls his followers to be known by their love.

Disability theologian 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

In my mind, this is the worst kind of review. Not just because it's casting barbs at the voiceless, but also because of the severely uncharitable lines taken. But most of all, because I think this kind of discussion is unbiblical and the exact thing we see in the world (worldly). While it is not possible to be "united" to every supposed believer, to treat someone like this who was given a good review by TGC, and is widely considered to be orthodox, seems to strike at the very heart of "preserving unity", "having no divisions among you", and "they will know you are Christians by your love [for one another]" (1 Cor. 1:10, 1 Pet 3:8, Eph. 4:1-6, Phil. 2:2, 2 Cor. 13:11, Colossians 3:14, John 13:35). By all means, call out clear heresy, and seek to restore a brother who is committing it, but also be very careful in making that public accusation unless you know you're accurately representing him and his position. "The first to plead his case seems right, until another comes and examines him." (Prov. 18:17 NASB) One point of irony: assuming I heard her correctly, Rosaria seems to be looking down on parachurch resources. What are her books and this very podcast?