Mad ditto!

@@vikingto pl

"S20/22 have 2 packs in parallel" - so it burns 2x faster? :) On a serious note - ride / flammability safety should be top priority

Cutout is one of my biggest concerns, especially as a heavier rider (250lbs). The Master’s battery setup is the only thing that sounds concerning but… for the other wheels like the S22, if I’m riding at 75% battery, and half the available battery suddenly fails while I’m riding at a modest speed… would that be enough battery to keep me balanced anyway? Cause I obviously want the most safety as possible but I’m curious how much it matters in all practical scenarios for me.

The s20 might keep you balanced if it still has plenty of charge and you are not going fast when one battery fails. One pack is not going to keep you upright at 30mph. I don’t like the way the s20 batteries are manufactured, they are assembled just like the s18 packs with each cell positioned vertically. This puts a shearing force on the cells when jumping or doing drops. I know of multiple accounts of this happening to people s18, and I’m going to be jumping and technical rocky trail riding with the wheel so that’s why I don’t like the s20/s18 batteries. Not to mention not having full power from a stop on the s20.

If you think placing 21700s in series to achieve 134v is equal to 2400wh, then you should really talk to your mathematics teacher, because it appears to be quite lacking even for an informally educated adult. Tip: pacs in series don’t mean that they’re not individually wired in parallel.

@GG Next Do you have a source that says the cells are wired up in series?

lol my voice is fucked up

Literally just pre-ordered s-22. Probably be changing it to master on Monday.

I ordered mine 2 days ago . Thanks for info .

the biggest problem for me was maintaining the wheel, if youre ok with having to do that then go ahead. Master has better performance, S20 has better construction.

dont wait too long otherwise you'll just want the one after that. 😂

In real life normal use, about the same range as V11...

@@Gebeleizis. ~50 miles is reasonable ... master's are getting 25 miles if ridden hard

​​@@pedro-on-wheelsso if ridden hard, S20 offers 50 miles and the Master only 25 miles? 🧐 Nice joke mister 👍

how is it 10 months after?

It should though right if you get the li-tech packs?

Exact! That's why I'm very hesitant to buy this wheel, Begode Master, for two main reasons in particular: the rich history of Begode wheels that burned and, more recently, the 4 batteries connected in series ...

Cool video nonetheless!

@@Mpower31 not sure about that yet

More reasons to ask for 3600 Wh, it would delay voltage sags since they chain wired through one BMS (they did it to cut BMS cost) and more ride miles for us. Also to navigate this, we need Molicel P42A 21700 4200mAh 45A Battery, with (highest current discharge 45A). This is the best 21700 cells for discharge, which is godsend for any EUC!

It takes a team to build a product, my role was to help set up guidelines for R&D they failed to deliver. I take some responsibility as well.

You cant go wrong with the MSP and RS series bro!

@@official.electricdreams ya rs was to new so I got the msp. But master looks like a dream . Every part of it is a upgrade. Now don't get me wrong my msp is sick loves it. Abit heavy for me first starting but worth it big time. Side pads so I can fully control the beast. That was the key

Yes, he's a MAD Ship Jumper. Check Rev Rides and Evees comparison. Almost everyone thinks the S22 is an overall BETTER wheel. I take Jacks opinion with a grain of salt....... besides, he aint even rode the S22 yet, he's speaking on the S20. Lol.

It’s not the best tire in the world, definitely agree with the turning but it’s manageable

Thanks for your description. Did you check if the lack of compliance on small bumps was mostly due to sticky slider, or too high shock compression dampening? (Or even the coil being to hard for your weight to begin with)

@@supercurioTube I checked the compression dampening and that wasn't it, I turned it all the way down and the action was still sticky. The spring may be a little hard for me, but I know what stiction feels like.

@@redfoxdude thanks for confirming 👍

What did you end up buying s22 or master?

I havent heard of anything of such.

They are, it is kinda confirmed via leaks

Master X 🤔

its looking better and better, each company has their own weaknesses but this wheel really pushed the boundaries for begode.

I mean, its only got 2400wh and you can ride to 90kmh (but please dont)

I measured the wheels I had at home multiple times S20: 34.45kg Master: 37.65kg

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the MSX is a classic bro! so light and nimble, but a bit outdated

@@official.electricdreams I know but I don't consider myself a speed freak. I just want healthy safety margins. Now I'm faced with disabling tilt-back so I can use power pads, and that scares me because tilt-back is my way of staying safe. Problem is, when merging with other traffic you want to be able to reach high speed sometimes. I'm trying to figure out a way without getting used to going high speed all the time = bad.

hahaha, havent seen the fanboys for awhile

😂

Not entirely. TBC I kept my S22 order. The Master simply is more powerful. On this there is no contest and if that's what you want then the master will just be better. Of course there will be issues though.

@@InsanitiesBrother not sure how "of course it will have issues" makes it better... guess it depends on what you want and need out of a wheel. After watching wrong ways unboxing I'm actually hopeful for the master but I'd stil go for a brand I can trust that hasn't repeated to make the same mistakes again and again

@@electricunipsycho I didn't say it's a better wheel. I said it has better power. This isn't up for discussion. If you want a C38 motor... The Kingsong doesn't have it. It's important to recognize that whilst you may one one set of things, others want other things. Again... The S22 is more expensive than the master. I've bought the S22. I'm not just hating on it.

@@InsanitiesBrother you sure? In Australia the master is almost a grand more

I totally agree. Never buy first (and neither second batch), wait at least one year before thinking of it.

Hey guys. What do you think about Inmotion V12 HT, in this regard?

@@danmano478 Hi, Most of problem of wheel comes from mother board (cut off/burn) and/or battery (fire, battery sag), and/or software issue (pedal dipping/weird issue) and/or innovative new design (hollow motor/suspension/new form) and/or water resistance/proofing, so : - motherboard is new : they had issue with it on first v12, it seems all new V12come with beefier mosfet that solve the issue, I dont think HT wheel need a whole new designed motherboard, just an ajustement of it. HT motor imo dont draw more power or power in a different way that high speed, it use it differently to give high torque or more RPM (high speed) but electronic on the mother board wont be whole new design. I would worry a lot of a motherboard design issue and/or of the quality of building (I think they will be the same, just adjusted, and it dont seems to have other issue that mosfet on those board)). - motor is new : It s the first HT motor for inmotion, so a bit of risk here maybe, but motor are never been a reel issue on wheel, it s seems that motor is a well understand technology. The only issue with motor was for hollow motor (rusty issue on ball bearing). As far as I know this wont be a hollow motor (high speed V12 isnt). I dont think there will be issue on engineering design but can still have some building quality issue, only time can tell. - form factor, shell, battery..etc wont change and it dont seems to have any issue in regard of those...so a lot of chance that it wont be problem here. So on engineering side (motherboard and motor) I dont think there are some reel challenge here, and the risk seems low. On quality building of the new motor,(the only reel new element) only time can say... So, I still think that waiting a few month is still a good advice and a wisdom move, reel world usage, thousand of miles on different rider/weight/climate/usage/etc is the only way to be sure that you wont have trouble. So at least wait a few month. Disclaimer : - Im not an enginer in wheel or something else... just a geek/techlover/wheel addict/science and skeptical thinker - Im not someone who have all wheel and thousand of thousand of miles on wheel - this is only my best try to a wisdom, argumented, reasonable advice

@@Mn-xh9ps Thank you for this thorough response. I knew already about V12 cut out problems because of the 100 V mosfets and now they come with improved mosfets both hs and ht wheels. I prefer ht variant for stronger rim and faster acceleration and braking, for I will use it mostly in town for deliveries. That’s why waterproofing is important. The thing is wrongway had a problem with a new V12 ht. Your advise to wait is the best. My problem is that I don’t have a wheel for the moment and this way I will loose all summer, not to speak about inflation. I considered also Nikola plus, but that LG 1800Wh batteries concern me. It’s very upsetting this trend promoted by most, not all, of these KZfaqrs, to emphasize speed and range in detriment of quality and reliability. These wheels costs a lot of money, they are no longer toys: they are vehicles. Inmotion V12 ht seems well built. Hope they solve the last problems so I can finally buy a wheel that will last at least two years without problems. Cheers.

@@danmano478 "it’s very upsetting this trend promoted by most, not all, of these KZfaqrs, to emphasize speed and range in detriment of quality and reliability" Yep I totally agree ! Dont know if it will help or confuse you more, but Im french and in french we say "c'est dans les vieux pots qu'on fait la meilleure cuisine" "it s in old pot that we make the better cooking" So didnt you think about an old but quite well establish good wheel, the kingsong KS18XL ? Mr Flex a french youtuber have done (partially) a world tour whit it ..long range..easy to repair..18"*2.5" confortable stable wheel...well build..and as far as I know good water proofing..not too big not too heavy...easy to live with...so maybe...?

Lol so you think I rode the wheel for one day and put this video together?

@@official.electricdreams I am not saying that you rode it for one day, but the amount of information and analysis about the wheel is not sufficient in this video to be called a "review". I as a potential customer didn't get most of questions answered except of "how it rides" from this "review".

@@artemmaistrenko1032 tell me what you think should be answered

@@official.electricdreams what is the range, what is the speed of charge with stock charger, how suspension works and feels in case of various speeds (how helpful it is in case of potholes or bigger bumps), how is the rigidity and quality of battery cases (including water protection of those), what about the fact that batteries are connected in series: is it dangerous if one of packs go disconnected/damaged, what about overheating of the motherboard? Then some safety questions like: are there any improvements from Begode on safety features.

@@official.electricdreams you know it is not a "toy" product anymore if it costs over 3000€. the price leads to a lot of more factors except of how cool it rides. It was simpler when I was buying a wheel for 1800euro

this is by far the funniest comment! they didnt excuse me, I left. Let me know when you try both wheels and come back to make your own conclusions. I already pointed out that S22 has better craftsmanship, I guess you werent watching.

Not ONLY better "craftsmanship" , but better stability, better range, no fear of cutting out at high speeds with 40% battery life left. No redundant electrical flow. The ONLY thing people who've actually COMPARED the two will say is that the Master has more torque n speed. Ok so WHAT? We dont want the S22 to win any races. We want it to be the BEST suspension wheel on da market. The Master was NOT well thought out, just threw out to steal sum S22 shine. Kingson listens and make corrections, Begode hides its head in da sand. Btw, why did you leave Kingsong EXACTLY?

This is a funny comment. S22 is plagued with so many problems, stator slippage, control boards burning up, and sticky sliders that KS is releasing a new "pro" version to fix basically every aspect of the wheel!

​@@dewaynelowery8511how can you be so... ignorant (don't wanna be rude)? There are dozens of arguments, facts and cases that prove you wrong. But I won't waste much time on you, feel free to inform yourself if interested. It simply try them both. Although you'll have some difficulties to find a S20, or S22 or S22Pro... 🙂