Thanks again, Lex!

WE LOVE YOU LEX

OOOO

Love you, Lex!!! This is great!! Thank you so much for putting this together!!!

Love you Lex

Yeah boi!

YESYESYES

exactly how i thought of it😂

sadly destiny is like an expansion team that somehow ends up playing the patriots in this "superbowl"

This was dogshit. Malcom Collins, the Venture Capitalist Stanford Grad Pro-Natalist would eviscerate BOTH of these clowns. js

Yes but the man woman shit

​@@QueefMcGeesHousehes connected because hes jewish? Smh

Stripper* name

Imagine being on the side of the guy whos wife is currently getting resized 🤣@@QueefMcGeesHouse

@@QueefMcGeesHouse so i guess you're literally still flipping burgers or throwing newspapers on a bike like you did at your first job you tried to make by .. you are pathetic, i bet if you sit to debate face to face you begin to stutter and shake lol

I never saw Ben under so much pressure before

Rarely see that on the narcissist internet

You need to be really cult and smart to have this kind of conversation i can't have this profound conversation

Because they mostly agree and ben is not a crazy redhat

If you're interested in debates that aren't bloodsports or constant yelling, I recommend you check out some debate issues universities hold. They have people from college students, all the way to tenured professors and experts.

2:56 this part had me too 😂

Same!

.75x is just right

These guys need some bass in their voices lol I think Ben talks through his nose a lot

​@@marvelousmike5488yes,than they speak like normal humans.

Toe to toe Curly and Moe Gonna find a foe Like a Will Dafoe Represent…tation

😂

HA 😂😂

bro this literally was hydrogen vs boost translated

Lil dicky vs G-eazy

Weird seeing you here man lmao didnt know you were based like that

😂😂 right

😂😂😂

Heyyy it's you I love your channel

lol exactly. I usually watch everything on 1.75 and these 2 are about the only people I cannot do that with. 😂

😂😂😂

This should be the presidential debate!

If trump is allowed to gish gallop again it'll be 1,000,00x better

Because presidential debates are just political theatre

gish gallop ... ​@@IronBrigadeStudios

Its not so unlikely that either of these guys might do down that road in 20 or 30 years.

😂😂😂

Half Life 3

Have Nick Fuentes on

I thought this was an ad for GTA 6?

its gonna be on the radio in gta 6

💯.

Thank you, 100%.

Together, these two guys could probably come up with some great solutions to the issues they debated on.

Very true, most people are incapable of doing this

You clearly don’t consume much content then

Destiny isn’t a true representative of the Palestinian cause

Yeah its 2 people that respect each other beforehand. I think that has a lot to do with it. Both fully realize the other one isn't an idiot.

@@rebhi8 That’s correct because he’s openly pro-Israel 🤨

0.75x playback speed works well. 😂

Lex actually slowed down the footage in editing

😆

Both fast speakers 😂

Same lol

YES!! ❤️

Long form, not just trying to grab legacy media sound bites

this is just a fun debate, presidential debate is more like selling yourself to the world so the people vote for you so it becomes more like making the other person look bad and stupid

@@poet99999 I prefer watching videos that are at least an hour. But what percentage of people _prefer_ long form? Sadly, it's probably less than half of people, likely even less. *Reply to:* _"Long form, not just trying to grab legacy media sound bites"_

Damn imagine this presidential race haha.

Destiny is not at the same level as Ben.

Benji is a real money grubber and he's promoted outright scams.

​@@gmancolo Well yeah just look at his tiny hat

Did you make this comment at work? If so I guess you and Ben can relate.

Lmao

Quick you can still get these special addition gold coins from the U-S mint. Only with this special offer can you dump all your life savings on this once in a lifetime super-duper for realsies! deal of the century! Hurry before your evil gay loving liberal kids tell you it's a scam cause they hate freedom!!

💯.

👍🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

You are not wrong.

Hyperbolic Debate Chamber

true

​@@instantregret7858hyperbolic lion tamer

imagine what cultural standards would change if this was the case. the bar for knowledge would be so much higher for knowledge. as of now its just a bunch of black and white buzz word cesspool word vomiting online. this type of dialogue needs to be on the main stage.

They used to be. Watch Kenny vs. Nixon 1960.

America doesn't vote for nerds. The last time we elected a nerd was Nixon.

For real... the presidential debates aren't even debates

3000% if you didn't say it, I would have. This is what we should champion.

Have Nick Fuentes on

There are limits. ​@@jpg6113

​@@jpg6113 yep, because listening to Ben Shapiro and destiny for more than 5 minutes didn't already cost me enough brain cells.

​@@jpg6113ew no

Debate is not the end game of conversation you think it is. There’s no saving this country

It's because these two have studied the facts and have formed their own opinions. While the rest of society consume opinions then formulate their facts

@@jamescarbon3853 if you hit reply please reply to what I wrote, otherwise just comment on the video

@@jamescarbon3853I mean you’re not wrong implying that most people form an opinion then gather facts, but Ben Shapiro is one of them. I agree with him on almost everything, but when it comes to Israel, he time and time again exposes his opinion in the face of facts. To the contrary of facts. For me this was enough to stop following him. There are other people out there with a soul, with a heart, that have the same domestic ideas as him. Ben is a smart man, but that doesn’t make him right all the time. On the Israel Palestine conflict, Ben is over his head and completely misguided and misinformed

We’ve had almost 8 years of polarized echo chambers bursting out like an H bomb. Fomented by people like Trump, like Shapiro’s company, etc..

@@sajedchreim7118misinformed in what way? It’s probably his special interest topic if anything.

Bad day for Destiny 😂

@@deadcarnivora8648 and that other nerd 🤣

ooh I love it. I also swing between being conservative and being liberal, I feel a bit bipolar with it. Destiny is the least offensive of all the progressive media types (and let's watch Ana as she red pills herself, she's fun too)

I missed a few words myself.

Am I so mentally ill that I can watch this on 2x speed?

@@zonehd3433that’s gotta be brainrot

​@zonehd3433 I put it on 2x to see what it sounded like... it reminded me of the dude that used to name all the side effects at the end of prescription commercials back in the day lol

@@zonehd3433 No, I don't know what they all are about. I'm watching at 2x myself

I'd say more like meth vs cocaine

Wait which ones which?

Someone needs to check for some Guinness Book record for meaningless words said in an hour or something

LOLLLLLLL FACTS

@@joeyg29jgjg Yes.

💯.

I also think that despite their differences they actually respect and like one another.

It was actually a healthy debate and disagreement. As observers we didn't witness petulant smears, but an exchange of views and informations such as we now should have a better understanding not just of the topic but of the predominant views represented by these "sides". Its stuff like this that makes diversity a strength.

Hoping for more destiny Shapiro content in the future but who knows

It's a little uncanny and a bit concerning that when previewing comments before I dive into the video, almost every comment is gushing about how wonderful it is that the conversation is civil. While I understand and sympathize with the overwhelming desire to have grounded conversations considering the state of public discourse...everywhere, this is a 2.5 hour video and the top comments are priming me to expect that very little of substance will be in the video itself because all the comments are ONLY about how civil the conversation was. Normally in videos, comments are filled with people zoning in on specific topics that get mentioned, discussing the specifics of what one person or another has said and either picking it apart or responding to it by adding further clarifying details. When I sorted comments by new, things were a lot more specific and came across a lot less...performative/masturbatory, which made me more excited for the video. But the whole thing does scratch at a suspicion I've had for a while now that because our public platforms for discourse is so awful, some people conflate more heated discussions with bad faith discussions because people tend to get angry and heated when their opponents argue in bad faith. And depending on who you agree with, you won't notice the bad faith habits of your ideological ally in the debate but will notice all the bad faith arguments of your ideological opponent, which is why most modern debates are associated with performative rage-bait and polarizing audiences into even smaller echo chambers. Throw in the fact that one side or another might start screaming back in bad faith defensively because the other side started it first, the whole thing turns into a mess really quickly. But good faith heated debates also happen, especially when serious topics are discussed. In fact, if people aren't getting a little heated in discussions about really serious topics, it's kind of a red flag indicating the possibility that the aesthetics of civility is more important than the lives affected by the politics being discussed. You run into a similar echo chamber problem running into reverse--whereas bloodsport debates are useless because nothing gets done, with the target audience being people addicted to rage, a debate running purely on civility politics becomes useless because both sides go out of their way to not challenge their opponents, to avoid controversial topics, etc etc. Anyone who cares about the subjects at hand usually end up not being the target audience--and the people who enjoy the debates are people who see politics as a game rather than a force controlling the lives of millions, often threatening their ability to survive. I'm honestly a bit pessimistic about how this video will turn out. I hope very much I'll be proven very wrong and feel very silly by the end of it.

@@Hoberpopkin That was entirely too much to write before ever watching the fucking video. Jesus, STFU and watch it. It's Destiny and Ben Shapiro, if you think they won't have passion just because people said they liked the discourse, you don't know these two..... They live for this shit.

If you play it at half speed, the video almost sounds like a regular conversation

​@@pbjam2182 .075x is a good listening speed.

You must love dumb!

@@pbjam2182 That's the magic of KZfaq - you can adjust the speed to your own liking and comfort, no matter how slow or fast the podcasters talk irl. It's incredible! Sometimes I wish I could speed up videos more than x2, but certainly not in case of this particular conversation.

@@Seamannon the thing that sucks about it is you can't speed people's speech up IN REAL LIFE. I've gotten so used to listening to podcasts at 1.5x - 2.0x that now listening to people at their normal speeds is actually harder for me.

Destiny is one of the few liberals I dont mind. He is good at articulating his points and even though I dont agree on everything, I respect his opinions and he makes good points alot of times

2 grifters debating. I'm Jewish by birth and first settler on the other side, but i don't grift politically so my opinion doesn't matter

They are both fast talkers, I have no idea who the second dude is but he holds his own regardless of how dumb his thought process is! I love hearing intelligent arguments regardless of what side the come from!

@@claywrangler1993so you are a grifter by birth or persuasion? Either way you are an idiot? Agree or don’t agree with what either, or are saying, you can classify anyone with an opinion that utilizes that opinion to make money as a grifter, but that fact alone does not marginalize that opinion

​@@bpharaoh8765 who is the one you know then?

I listened to this on spotify and slowed the speed down to 0.8x. Highly advise everyone else to do the same.

Fortunately Shapiro isn’t formulating foreign policies. He has the audacity to condemn the Houties and support the U.S. & British bombings thus espousing ultra right wing political ideology.

now lets look at the hasan card

Yes, very nice to see, you actually get to hear every point.

Did you actually watch the entire thing?

idk ben kept interrupting especially later on

Regulation won't let that happen. 😢 so much food is wasted in the US

Unfortunately they would be sued when someone complained the food made them sick. Welcome to America. It’s a shame because we waste a lot.

💯.

They need to start a series

Lex said it’s part 1 didn’t he

they both speak fast enough that it was

5 hours and continue taping while they have pizza/beer together.

@@lybnychavez6953 yeah but who knows when they will actually reconvene. Could be over a year even more. I'd love a bit meaty part 1 to tide me over. Hell I'd tune in weekly for a series lol

Agree

Please don’t show these idiots again absolutely baffling 😂

It should be Ben and someone else from the left like Kyle Kulinski

Ben would completely destroy Kyle. Longtime listener, but he's lost his touch

@@kevinhoang9074 That would be a blood bath. Ben would demolish Kyle. In the liberal - left - atheist - antTrump side there are only two people who can compete with Ben - Destiny & Sam Harris. The list is Finite.

I'm sure it's dictated by physical space not inherant camera bias. It's also an AUDIO PODCAST

Destiny didn't have that much respect for Jordan Peterson, who thinks more before talking. Ben is closer in style with Destiny, both fast talkers.

@@han1218Destiny learned from Peterson not to “play games”. When Destiny starts losing, he starts dragging the debate off the rails to where he says things like, “how do you know the sun will rise tomorrow”. And Destiny’s fans will think he is the next Aristotle for asking that. 😂

I was shocked by this. Did you see the debate between Destiny and Glen Greenwood? 🤦🏻‍♀️

Destiny interrupted frequently

Because both are dealing in good faith and Factual information.

Yeah that’s what happens when you do in person debates haha

I wish this was the top comment. Respectful discourse is no longer the norm, and what we now normally see is disgusting.

😅😂

😂😂

“It’s gone because I ate it all” -Ben “I agree because I did too” -Destiny (Both in 2x speed, of course)

@@bigpapi6688 lmao you made me laugh

But the same would still be taught, it’s a conversation on whether poorer schools should be allocated resources on a federal level to teach the current curriculum at the same level as rich district schools. Ben thinks that this doesn’t address the root cause which he believes to be one parent households but that works under the assumption better quality education won’t close the gap enough to notice while destiny believes closing the gap in education quality will do enough to create long term benefit for the American population. You can agree or disagree with Ben and I believe destiny is still correct that education needs reforms at the federal level

For real haha, I did check

it's catching the drift of how fast Ben Shapiro talks.

Lmfao trueee

Because of Lex …dude is mega slow compared to Ben 🤣🤣

It's multiple/most videos doing it, some glitch lol

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p7GnmsqZmJzUnYU.html

Ben vs destiny was as if ben read the whole article and destiny just read the headline. He just didnt know the details on anything.

​@@ThaDonJsuanthank you for noticing that. Props to Destiny for being civil, but to anybody capable of following their points. Destiny would make a superficial statement that sounded good.... Until Ben dismantled it point by point with in depth facts

They are two sides of the same coin They are both ultra liberal

I think anyone that thought going in to this that there'd be anything other than well reasoned arguments and respectful dialogue hasn't watched very much of their content.

Isnt it amazing that this discussion is free? They have real jobs. The time and money wasted in u.s government constant tug of war is just wild

Regardless of Biden or trump, you have two people who understand. We could never hope for so much in any country.

yes. left and right thinkers alike. and I personally would rather see them on the same debate team. Defending Israel for example.

@@tnndll4294 lets be honest they are on the same team.

People in Congress can't have this type of discussions because they represent interests they can't openly admit to. This is why most people think politicians are idiots who don't make much sense. They do if you consider it's a balancing act between saving face in front of voters and pleasing their masters, whoever they are. Otherwise politicians are pretty smart. We just don't see it.

He could be making thousands per month 😂😂 wdym, he is making thousand per month

@@hiddxnlxavxs3968man shut up bro

Making thousands per month 😂 Dude he makes thousands per couple days if not every day

Hadn't even noticed that, but massive +1

It enforces that he's financially comfortable

Underrated comment

Good one 😂

that is just cuz hey speak at warp speed LOL

@@11arkasha11exactly

​@@11arkasha11 Meh, they were pretty slow here. Needed to kick it to 1.5x speed to get them to normal.

Maybe not weekly, but I'd totally go for monthly.

Need to add Alex Jones and I'd tune in for sure

@@egroendyk What passes for good for you then just curious?

​@@egroendykhey buddy, hope you're doing well, just wanted to tell you to shut up. Adding nothing useful and you're wrong

They should have a podcast

Lex is the man!

Oh it should be... But the people in the debate can be the issue

Not likely to happen cuz these 3 men are very intelligent, articulate, and respectful individuals. I'm not saying they are saints or care particularly about every person, but these guys are relatively fair level headed and real. The personalities that usually succeed in US politics today are sensationalist demagogues who function on mob mentality and will say whatever they have to WIN PEROID.

A Russian Jew, Zionist, and Liberal Jew walk into a bar. Everyone boos. Go home - nobody wants your propaganda anymore.

@@keegansillaots4327 Non stop yammering.

Trump knows how he lost is the problem!!

They’re both vile Zionists, this is barely a decade.

​@p0tatobiden250 good boy. You listen so well. Now vote for who we tell to vote for.

Why?

@@markovichglass ?

Muhuhuhaha jobs American people

Yes!!. ❤️

Although i loved this, the odd one where people are at each other throat is enjoyable as well.

I prefer the insults.

@@richardhands904Having a mix is definitely good.

no insults?!? Ben called Destiny a Republican in the fist minute!! haha

Except if Alex Jones or Trump are participating

I honestly didn’t see the appeal. It was just Ben walking destiny around the track for 2 hours

@@johneaston8314Wrong

@@johneaston8314 How do you even come to this conclusion? Bro, how do you even see reality in such a way to allow you to come to such a conclusion? I’m willing to bet you watched 10 minutes before going into comments and just assuming everything based on the fact that you aren’t able to pay attention long enough to realize this was a back and fourth style of debate.

All 3 should be laughed out of polite society.

@@davidhoffman2311 insulting me rather than addressing what I said.. you didn’t get that from the video. What argument or position in this entire “debate” did destiny win on?

💯 ❤️.

It was 5 hrs.... they just both speak at 2.5 times speed

@@RustCole01Fuck! I clicked this comment just to say this.

I stopped listening at 2 hours. One of the most useless debates. Yes they are both highly opinionated and very educated on what they are opinionated 6 what a waste of such inelligence. Such surface level conversations. Why are people still debating about and defending evils of any kind. Let's move past the lesser of two evils. There are far more important conversations going on like the evolveing of mind and spirit. People are actually having deeper conversations about how the next 2k years are going to pan out and these two are worried about the past.

@@CasuallyAuthenticThis is such a childish view on what makes a deeper conversation. They discussed their own philosophies, how to they view education(which effects the next generation) their analysis of the last two presidential terms which are going to have impacts for years to come not to mention this years election, Their views on two wars which affect millions if not billions of people, about institutions in America and how they view the future of human relationships. While there are many more topics to discuss and each of these topics they could both go into more depth on to say this was surface level compared to some nonsensical view on a future we could never predict is insane

@killtheo8894 as I said, very surface level. And your statements only backs that up. I understand that you don't agree, we all have different levels of intellect. Sorry to have offended you to make you ironically call me childish. I think we're beyond being offended and offending because of different opinions. It no longer serves us. I personally just want some intellects with platforms to have deeper conversations, but then again, maybe they are just stuck in the old way too. By the way, you never did say why my opinion was childish...

It’s respectful conversation from both sides. It’s obvious that they both feel strongly about their opinions but are able to create space to prevent tension from boiling over. This was a really great and interesting listen!

I believe we should call for a referendum made by true original land owners (Palestineans, including native Palestinean jews) and they decide the state they want. Simple. Very simple. It's not a thousands of years matter. Zionism is danger and should not be adopted by a state.

@@youssefdiraniwhat’s so dangerous about it?

God I hate these comments and I remembered why because there's no actual substance in them. I'm looking through these comments for what one person said and it's COMPLETELY OVERSHADOWED by "oMg what a healthy conversation!" I don't care! Yes, these are two people who realize civility looks good, now can we talk about what was said?!

I think the biggest part that also drives this debate is that they find common ground, and see where their similarities in idea are. It’s important to separate facts and common ground from opinions to keep the debate healthy. It’s about the ideas they believe, and not the person themselves. Honestly, we need more of this in everyday life and universities. It’s important to band together as US citizens, voice our concerns, but also find common ground to make sure everyone can prosper.

Nope. Someone like Tim Pool would constantly be interjecting, taking up half of the air time for himself. (I still like Tim Pool though)

Thanks for your comment, we deposited your shekels in your account. Sincerely, Dem boys.

Nice! Did you change your mind about any of the topics discussed or did you find despite convincing arguments and it being a "breath of fresh air" that you still believe in exactly the same things you did prior to the video?

Indeed!

​@zipzzo Could you possibly have worded that more passive-aggressively lmao

lmaooo not possible but i am interested in the answer @@metaljacket8128

these people should run for president. but the broader political system would crush them.

Joe would fall asleep 10 minutes in, lol🤣

You want an incumbent president to waste their term having debates like this instead of running the country?

If only presidential candidates were as cordial and respectful as Ben and Destiny. Sadly most people who seek political office are power hungry and not decent people.

What does the term low-key mean? Did it replace “true” as the next generation’s nonsensical overused catchy sounding word?

Absolutely, YES!.

best debate I've listened to

Kudos for being a grown man having a respectful conversation? The world is doomed we gotta praise the bare minimum, it’s the equivalent to a woman saying she’s independent

It was kind of mind numbing. The whole thing was Ben saying what he thought, destiny saying he doesn't agree, then Ben rebutting, then destiny saying he agrees 100% with Ben... Butttttt

​@@poodie3887 bad morning?

​@@poodie3887are you okay

exactly. Or the host is strongly favored against one side. The Ron vs Newsham debate is so bad like kindergarden play.

​@@jayzhou104Well yeah, been to Cali lately. It's a s***hole As far as this one goes. You have a Harvard law school grad correcting a streamer with TDS

This!!!

This is tame.

@@davestuddaman8127 which himself described as total useless unless you are a stem major. I wouldn't use degree as a way to silence someone. Destiny makes great points.

Really? Because Destiny is batshit crazy, so I don't see it possible myself. I'll find out when I finish the video I guess.

Conversation ben would have to actually say something for it to be a conversation. Like Ben what do you think about this? And then he doesn't answer every time.

@@WokeBegone more sane than you though

​@WokeBegone you've named your account wokenegone you biases have already blinded you too much lol

@@WokeBegonehe’s pretty moderate. Maybe you get this opinion from clips out of context? Or you are far enough right that you see moderate beliefs as extreme

i feel like their intros are synonymous in form. they both want the government to incentivize "good" things. and names those good things as constitution and bill of rights. but destiny is saying they should incentivize maslows heirarchy for those in need so they can enjoy those freedoms. otherwise its a slippery slope of trickle up power

Yeah...that's the point. The most important thing to highlight is that it was done respectfully.

I had some buddies tell me it was boring and I laughed. This is how the conversation should look, if you want children arguing then watch actual politians. LOL @countbaldwin - Great comment!

I wouldn't call Destiny a far leftist

I mean, you could label this one as "Ben Shapiro DESTROYS leftie cuckold" and it would still be accurate. Destiny spent at least 30 minutes whining about a merry go round when he was the one driving the carousel.

Destiny didn't do any better except maybe studied before the debate since it was a predetermined debate. Ben destroyed him on on debates that had to do with western society since he has facts on his side. geo politics is wanky since it includes foreign countries who do not have same laws as us. American politics destiny just crying trump is bad orange man. This debate was just Ben explaining how everything works to destiny.

​@RicardoRangel-ll7dp I agree to a large extent, I'm just really tired of the word "destroyed." I also appreciated the honestly and civility.

First minutes in destiny alludes to Shapiro being on the conservative Merry go round. While telling us AC is the reason kids aren't doing so good in schools

​@@beastwithin73 don't underestimate the importance of the mighty AC

@@beastwithin73man if you take that as a personal attack… yikes.

@@beastwithin73he used the AC thing as an example, that is 1 of the 1,000 problems to why kids aren’t doing well in schools. let’s not harp on it

@@beastwithin73 Science does put things like AC as an improvement to kid's education. Sorry, but facts over feelings.

Privately I think they have a moderate to extreme distaste of eachother.

@@chasmriscraigdestiny said on stream Ben gave him his number. Could be trolling but he said it sincerely.

Just ew

@@chasmriscraig I think that Ben is mostly indifferent towards Destiny (maybe slightly unfavorable view due to polygamy) and that Destiny, on the other hand, respects and somewhat admires Ben

@@chasmriscraig more respect to each of them if this is true. To be able to treat each other with decency for this conversation is worth recognizing

Can anyone else keep up though? I feel if the two talk any faster they'll punch a hole in the space/time continuum.

Ben's faster... just saying.

​@googleisevil8958 I enjoy when people talk fast, I usually speed up to 1.25x on videos but these two I have no need lmao

Two turbo manlets.

actually...in this case i thought they were noticably slower...

Imagine this would have easily been twice as long if they spoke normal speed

Lol if you go into settings and adjust the playback speed to .5, it will sound like a normal conversation. Just kidding but if you actually listen to it like that it sounds like 2 16 yr Olds getting stoned for the 1st time and having a deep conversation.

All I hear when either of these two talk is the murloc aggro noise.

@@Eldeecuemlghrhhghhghgrhhg

Agreed I'd love for them to have a part 2.

They're both extremely smart. Destiny single handedly puIIed me out of the right, but Ben is a very knowledgeable individual too.

@@NoTerrorManagementsorry to hear that.

Because they mostly agree with each other that’s why they’re not yelling at each other. There’s sports debates that are more entertaining than this garbage

why?@@benjaminghazi787

😃 yep.

Gay. We have a trump derrengue syndrome heavily affecting Destiny. Ben couldnt care less about trump

but still democrap be like, its all conservatives fault. Don't believe your eyes and ears.

You mean Shapiro schooling this guy on basic economics lmao this isn’t a debate or a discussion this a pleb bringing up talking points and grasping for affirmation

Ben will kill anyone to take people's lands. He proved this in all his pro Israel war reactions. The guy is like satan

Ok but doesn’t change the fact Ben doesn’t represent enough and Destiny is a moron basically

exactly this ^ been watching both ben and destiny since I was around 14. im now 22

scary