Aw thanks for sharing Flip! The devs are working on MIDI implementation now - we just put all the resources into making it as good as it could be standalone first :) Lucy is adorbs

It usually goes like this: invest in an iPad to use it as gear -> mess around a bit -> use it just for KZfaq.

About three years ago. I was homeless on the streets For around three years Addicted to drugs, down and out pretty bad. Don't worry I cleaned up and got off the streets. But all I had to make music With was a free Obama phone that kept getting stolen and having to get a new one through one of those Obama Phone tents Every 3 months or so with a free demo of "Caustic 3". I got so sick of only being able to make one track and not save that that I pan handled the $10 it took To buy the Full version off of Google Play and bought me a Google Play gift card and purchase the full version. I came up with some pretty cool tracks I feel. It's a shame that that phone wound up getting stolen. I wish I still had those tracks.

It's really easy to get blinded by the iPad's potential in an 'ideal scenario'. It seems like it's the perfect solution for so many applications, but the road always leads to "why am I not just using a laptop?". I have a new iPad Pro and it's painful how awesome and useless the device can be at the same time. Great for movies and doodling though.

As someone who has been aware of Apple bullshit for a long time, this video speaks to me on another level. Thanks for being so educated.

I bought an iPad Pro with full intention of using it for music production, and I ended up never doing that. However I started using it for everything else just about, and it became one of the most useful things I own.

Lucy's Beat has healed me of all worry and pain

The Moog synth apps are my faves. Animoog in particular is unique and unlike any other synth.

please do a brand loyalty psychology video, the community needs to hear it, it needs to be the norm to understand that what you buy is not who you are edit: I do not plan on arguing with anyone about this, just saying I'd like to see a video about what Benn mentioned at 1:10

my main love argument: i paid a fraction of the price for my huge library of plugins and softsynths and drum machines and daws that i could never have afforded on mac or windows.

I have been making iOS music since the iPhone 3GS🤯🤯🤯 You’re 1000% right about the “frustrations” regarding compliance. In my opinion, iOS devices are best used with minimal peripherals- headphones (wired) and one camera connection kit (USB to lightening adapter) If I were advising someone new to this world, I’d say stop there. Headphones and camera connection kit. Focus on getting as far as possible with just an iOS device. You’d be surprised by how much you can create😁

The amount of genuine excitement in your voice when talking about your Patreon really filled my heart with joy. I'm glad something's working out for someone.

ayyy, I love my cruddy old school iPad! I’m big into TouchOSC and stuff like that, but since upgrading my monitor size, I don’t really reach for the OSC tech much anymore. That being said, if you perform contemporary music, an iPad can really help with pages since page turns can be awfully jank in new scores (sometimes, the only option is a score that you can turn pages on with your feet lol)

Your experience matches what happened with me and my attempts to make music on the iPad. Very fair critiques, and nice highlights of the benefits!

Holy shit Drambo is magnificent. Love your videos and sense of humor, always a pleasure Benn!

Oh man... Ipad has changed how I perform and make music. Using miRack with an Expert Sleepers interface just turned my eurorack into the most powerful modular synth in the world. I now have a smallish 6U case I can carry around with my iPad and midi controller and just go crazy. Adding AUM with its many audio and midi effects (miRack also excels at any of these) just makes everything even more powerful and fun, and I can just add a polysynth or a drummachine on top of that inside AUM... Enso as a looper has also made my workflow incredibly better. Before all this, I was using a laptop to create my hybrid system, but apart from not enjoying carrying an expensive laptop around, I find havin tactile control is so much better and nicer as an interface.

Great overview, shows well where the iPad sits for music reation in 2021. At 29:30 you point out that currently its best when you're "trying to have fun with audio" its also great for teaching too!

Great video. Drambo did it for me too. I didn’t really take iPad seriously until Drambo arrived, but now I probably use the iPad more than I use my hardware.

Former Apple engineer here. Tell Apple about it with the feedback app, ESPECIALLY when using pre-release versions of iOS. They don't assign anyone to watch KZfaq videos about people complaining. Bugs are prioritized by two main criteria, which are the severity of the bug (data loss is the worst), and the number of users affected.

I have never come across this channel.. The first 12-15 minutes was the clearest most exact explanation of everything awesome and wrong with the iPad. Anyone thinking this is a great device for any kind of production (not just music) should check out this video. A lot of those thrown together demos were pretty great too. Thanks!

Thank you for this video. I am an ipad “musician” and love the workflow and as you say, meditative and explorative way of working. For making experimental music, particularly sample based experimental music, the iPad is fantastic

Thanks for the straight talk Benn. There's a lot of trending producers telling us how amazing working on iPad is and it always looks too cobbled together and unintegrated.

Nice selection. I’ve been 100% iPad for a few years now. Agree is far from painless though. Look forward to your Endlesss vid. Has definitely been a huge factor in turning music making into an enjoyment again

Love and Frustration indeed Ben, - welcome to our world 😂🙌

Amazing video just like the rest of your content. I have learnt so much since discovering your channel. Thanks so much and keep doing what you do!

I got an ipad 7 for music production recentrly and I connected to digitakt for midi and as audio output and its been phenomenal man, so many synth apps for a few dollars, not recorded anything yet but Ill try soon, happy new year man and thanks for your videos and sincerity

I totally agree. The best bet for me was to use an apple headphone dongle for iPad audio out and Bluetooth device for midi in out. I use a PUC+ for the latter and it’s worked well consistently for years. 👍

This precisely why I haven’t upgraded my iPads constantly , kept my old IOS backups with the apps. All my music ipads are never connected to the internet and updates are disabled permanently. I use 3 iConnectivity devices , Midi4+ , the Audio4+ and Mio XL. 2x Alesis IO/docks . The secret is ,dont upgrade. I own 6 ipads of various generations.

Nice video! I have an old 16gb iPad 2 that can hardly run anything, but I've coaxed it into being my additional screen for flipping through manuals in the studio, and i have a copy of djay 2 on there for djing because it can play music from Spotify (sometimes, if I can get the wifi to work) and that's been great for busting out at parties when people keep disconnecting a hot aux cord

Ben is so right on this. Someone lent me a iPad Pro full of music apps and I found it like cooking with boxing gloves on. Fun, but WAY too hard to make anything.

I like that idea: “Fun”. Quite the concept. Thanks

OMG Benn! I had no idea you have a KZfaq channel. We exchanged some emails back in 2008 about a few things. I dismantled my music studio when I moved to Chicago in 2010 and recently have had to the itch to get back into it… Came across this video while debating “iPad Pro vs MacBook” in my mind. Thanks for the content! Keep it up.

I have an 2018 iPad pro and connected it to Motu M2 and connects with no problems, so hearing all the issue you have was a real surprise. Must have got lucky with the audio interface I got.

Just wanted to mention that from my experience the following Audio Interfaces work just fine with the iPad Pro and USB: SoundCraft 12MTK Mixer (multi-channel) FocusRite Scarlett 18i8 with Scarlett OctaPre (multi-channel) Novation AudioHub2x4 DigiTone shows up as an Audio Interface Maschine+, OctaTrack, MicroFreak, Toraiz As-1 and Minilogue all show up as midi devices over USB. The iconnectivity Mio allows the OT to communicate Midi over USB in the setup. The Apple Camera Connection Kit makes it all accessible even over a USB Hub. If we could get Aggregated devices on iOS that would be amazing. I am quite pleased with how well the iPad connects to my gear as well as to my macOS via IDAM. It just works.

I guess I’ve always differentiated between things I do in iPad or with hardware. I still release them as the same project, but one is entirely in the iPad, and the other isn’t. Great video as always!

Love the way you explained directly to the point

Everything from 26m to 28m was incredible beautiful. Gonna try to replicate that, and hopefully learn a lot chasing that sound.

Rme boxes works great with iPad CC mode, totalmix and totalmix remote also.

This is exactly what I've been thinking about recently! I was considering buying a second hand iPad to test these iOS exclusives as well as use it as sketchbook for my graphic design doodles. Also reading or goofing around with sound design before sleep seems a lot more productive than watching Twitch 😁 I am bit concerned about the connectivity... and I don't know anymore. I would like to expand my hardware setup too and the budget is tight lately. Anyways, great video Ben. Take care!

I found a nice use for my Ipad as a DAW controller be it Studio One or Logic/Mainstage. Excellent when recording with the band in the rehearsalstudio. Mind you I use a WiFi connection so I have no problems(unless it sometimes decide not to connect to the WiFi network😒 just another great Apple feature🤣). Great video Benn👍

Hi Ben. I’m viewing this view almost 2 years since you released it and was intrigued to learn more about the Sensel Morph, only to learn that it’s been discontinued. 😂 The constant change in tech is crazy.

Another good video. I use an apple camera connection kit and have no problems until now with 4 different audio interfaces, 2 midi interfaces and the elektron digitakt as audio interface. Seems i‘m lucky to have compatible hardware right from beginning. To use the iPad in comparison to a daw like bitwig, it seems that in every setup I tried is a tiny bit missing... but that‘s part of the creative process. I was never into apple stuff, but making music on an iPad is really great and i will not miss it.

love your patreon members, thanks for sharing :)

Good video, really liked what you said in the bit about the bad. Really makes me think about my current interface and what to do when I upgrade to a newer model. Reverb tip: Stellr

How do you only have 55k subscribers? Phenomenal content, subscribed and notifications on.

Really great to see you highlight some of the finer apps on the iPadOS for making music. I love that you wrapped up with Drambo because this app really has brought the iPad to a whole new level which i love using almost every day. Be sure to reach out to Beepstreet. I’m going to ping him to make him aware of this video. Keep up the great work sir 👊🏼™️

I have a Focusrite interface and it works I have an LaunchPad pro and Mini mk3 and they both work! No Problems! I have been doing this for years!

You make it so easy to respect you and your opinions even when I disagree with you lol. You just make great points while being funny and also clarifying what is subjective and objective. Your just cool level headed dude.

Yeah! Also just got a 12.9 iPad Pro for Drambo. It seems to be the thing I've been missing as the main brain for fun and interesting electronic jams. An actual game changer! Once it gets multi audio I/O support and recording it'll be amazing. That said, I'd still output stems and mix a final track in a daw on the laptop.

LF Saw wave to amp envelop modulation on that clap into highpass filter with a little resonance to make that pop

Excellent vid covering soooooo many items of interest!

Absolutely brilliant! We probably all have closets or basements or second houses full of obsolete gear that would work perfectly well… if only it hadn’t been deliberately abandoned by Apple or Microsoft. Kind of like how I still need to buy replacement LED light bulbs.

I would like to see a more in depth discussion on how to organize and stack your gear. What different stand options there are, price points, tricks and tips and such. There's short videos here and there but not one extensive one that kind of explains what my options are. I've been writing on DAW's for about 17 years now and I recently started going DAWless with hardware and I'm struggling to find the best way to organize and stack all of my newer gear

Brilliant, thank you so much! In the first part you said in so much nicer words what I usually say when comes to the frustrations with iOS music making. I also like the second part very much, you talked about many apps I use and like very much (slight bias detected? ... :) ). Subscribed.

So what I've found with the USB-C iPad Pros/Airs in our hire stock is that not all USB-C adapter doodads are created equal, and the quality of the class-compliant device implementation *really* varies between manufacturers. We've had best success with the Belkin and CalDigit USB-C docks (they give you ethernet, too, for network MIDI) and audio interfaces from Steinberg, Audient, RME, and MOTU. Focusrite's CC driver is really unreliable, and some of the USB-C adapters are less than stellar too.

Glad you made this because I was just trying to figure out why my interface wouldn’t work with my ipad and at least now I know it’s not me.

Thought I was on Jakob Haq's channel for a minute there.

I love using a iPad for music, it is not the only way I do it, but they have some really cool noisemakers, and decent DAW software. I guess I have had better luck than some.

Thanks for giving me a justification to buy a bigger iPad. Sometimes "Doodling" can be better than therapy. The Sensel looks like a fun toy too.

I didn’t know about some of these apps and I’m about to now bankrupt myself on iPad apps😂 Awesome video, and totally true about the connectivity issues. I think we all share a love hate relationship with Apple at this point, thanks for sharing Benn🤞🏼

I’ve bought Steinberg UR22 mkii some time ago. Works just fine with first Ipad pro and Ipad 2020 pro as well. Had to buy new camera connection kit with USBC though.

Tascam Celesonic + Auria Pro + last year’s budget ipad. So far so good! Down the rabbit hole. Mostly to use as a multitrack rehearsal recording option.

Hi Benn, just discovered your channel. Love your work and your dedication. I use 2 quite old iPads for music. I don't like using the charging port for anything but charging as both devices turn their noses up whenever I plug in a controller using the camera kit. Instead I use an iRig dongle plugged into the headphone socket. This allows me to output a stereo signal while also feeding audio to apps for processing. I only use bluetooth for sending midi data, NOT audio. Latency is not an issue at all. I use the Korg NanoKey and NanoStudio to send bluetooth midi to my main apps - Koala Sampler, Garageband and Korg Gadget. Soon I will incorporate the cool NMSVE by ThisIsNoise for more bluetooth midi control. Now I never have issues with non-compliant interfaces, latency or battery drain. My advice to lovers of iPad apps: get an old iPad with a phones socket, get an old iRig (1st gen is best) and use the phones socket for both input and output. The TRRS 3.5 plug enables input and output through the iRig. And start using bluetooth midi - it works like a charm.

I’m still using that midi interface! It’s rock solid. Along with my Kenton spin doctor. Stuff used to be built like tanks!

Love your videos! They're so well made!

oh man, when you pulled out the midisport... I have two. They are, as you know, not class compliant. M-Audio is not going to write new drivers for the mac, so I have to stay with an old OS and old Logic for now. Great dog jam. Made my night.

I use the Ipad for some loops/sketches in Korg Gadget or sampling from YT or any other synth app connected via usb on the digitakt (as audio device class compliant). Using also bias FX on IPAD and running YT or Fender Play for guitar practice.

Staffpad (2021 update with 3rd party libraries) is brilliant. Great for composing quickly with sumptuous, emotional sounds. 🙂

On point. People often ask me about getting into music but don't have the budget for hardware, and I wish I could say I just love all the awesome apps on iPad without also mentioning how full of crap Apple are.

Great video! I bought an iPad pro with huge ambitions for music making apps... it became my 5-year old's Netflix device... I gotta check out some of those apps! Also, I still have the OG MIDIsport... didn't expect to see that in a YT video in 2021!

I think it’s a great tool for sparking out ideas, if needed it could be pushed into making something decent. There’s a bunch of tools as used here plus full fledged daws. But It can be frustrating for sure and that’s why it can only get with your music where you want it on a computer. Amazing video as always Benn!!

Lol! Just the video I needed to see. Have been trying many adapters trying to get headphones to work, and I guess its not just me 😂

I guess I was lucky. My ipad 4th Gen still works with the Alesis I/O dock. I Recently bought an iPad pro and a Behrin**r U-Phoria 202HD and it works just fine (for now!). I love having a studio within a studio and the difference the very creative iPad apps can bring to your workflow can often be inspiring - Borderlands is absolutely incredible. I could never rely on *just* an iPad but I use it often in projects with the Sensel or Roli whilst kicking back on the couch away from the main studio.

I previously bought iPads to use as my Daw controller! that has been working for the past 4 plus years! Additionally, I have a dedicated IPad Pro for music production! So what you say is just your own experience!

I love making music on my iPad, and these days it's all I use - although I only have me to please! I respect entirely your assertions regarding the frustrations of trying to get hardware working with iOS devices. Quite a few people have been caught out. I've been making music exclusively on the iPad since 2010, and I've seen the technology take huge leaps forward. The iPad I use is the last generation iPad Pro to have the headphone socket (2018 model), and it works great (touch wood) with the Komplete Audio 6. So far I've managed to avoid the disasters you described. One aspect that you don't touch upon in your video is that the iPad represents a complete and self contained music production tool. You can make great, professional quality music without any audio interface, just using the internal apps. In particular, the advent of the touch instrument changed everything for me. In many ways a keyboard on screen is much more versatile than a real keyboard, allowing all kinds of customisation options that hardware just cannot match. I haven't used a desktop for music making in over a decade now, and I'd never go back!

Amazing video! I’ve been really happy with my iPad for music exclusively (and ok some games). I don’t use it as a daw though. Just a synth and drum machine substitute. It’s probably saved me thousands of dollars on hardware and vsts. I never bothered with recording sound or interfaces which sounds like a pain. I was thinking of looking up interfaces for more outs but you’ve convince me that’s a bad idea.

Thank you for the video. I use an iPad Air2 with pre-Sonus remote software to control my PC with pre-Sonus DAW loaded on it. Whether you like that DAW or not I find this to be my best use for an iPad whether I’m at a vocal microphone, drum set, or keyboards.

It's interesting that in many of the songs you showed you sound a lot like BOC. dope!

Maybe I was lucky with my audio interfaces, as they work fine with my usb-c ipad pro 2018. All of them are Zoom, UAC-8, L-20 and H6. Also my midi interface, Blokas Midihub works fine with the ipad pro, even with a cheap non-apple usb-c to 4xusb-a hub.

Would love to see an updated version of this for 2024, Benn!

Had to give you a thumbs up for Lucy’s jam alone!

I felt like a kid in a toy/candy store .man it feels good !

Frustrations with midi connection via Wi-fi left my iPad on the shelf for years until I discovered the Yamaha (Bluetooth) MD-BT01 that plugs into the M-Audio midi sport hub you were holding. Best use for me is with TC-Data on the App Store which just then gives you the tactile quality’s of the iPad, but for use with the DAW. Musically use for me, would be limited to a minimal set up, perhaps with just a laptop and some other small controllers, intentional restrictions etc.

The jam you made in AUM was simply awesome

Bought several ipads over the past ten years solely for music production. Awesome for commuting, loved walking down the street with it. BM3/NS2, love em! Now in lockdown I bought a Maschine and barely touch my iPad for music anymore. If I commute again I will probably just get a windows tablet as the Maschine software seems rather touch friendly enough. Won’t be as nice for walking down the street though.

It’s rare for me to so thoroughly agree with every point made within any content, but you perfectly summed up my iPad music production experience perfectly & made it far more entertaining than I ever could. One tiny thing I’d add is how Apple rubs their stubbornness in ur face or pours salt on the wounds they leave on your trust & consumer loyalty. For example with their introduction of a new plugin format & then pulling the trigger to roll exclusively with their proprietary auv3 over IAA, my former (more naive) self saw that action as them acknowledging the growing interest & excitement in utilizing apple mobile devices for music production, with countless folks voluntarily converting their production workflow to exclusively use only apple iPad/ iPhone. But then later on, yea, just like you touched on, our next gift was losing our highly valued & wanted 1/8inch headphone port. Now I will say that the level of power & capabilities literally at fingertips was what finally changed my thinking of music production still being out of reach of my abilities & funds, & gave me an intuitive place to begin for first time ever producing my own electronic music. And I agree so many iOS apps are quite amazing & many are exclusive to iOS. Not to mention, popular plugins ported over to iOS are done so with full capabilities basically a perfect counterpart to pc/Mac plugin except on iOS they can be acquired for significantly less monies. FabFilter is an excellent example here. I’ll always have a soft spot for iOS production because I literally have songs that are collectively composed over a whole months worth of poo’s. One song I made was two months of poo’s. Yes I’m saying the entirety of some of my songs spawn into existence and inspired from my bathroom visits. Not visits to make music, visits to actually shit. But from that actual shit, came more shit but less physical & farty. Also after a good week or two into such a project, you’ll not won’t to violate the integrity of the project by working on it outside of poo sessions. If we don’t keep to our own principles then as we all know reality will unravel. So, anyone wanna hear my shit music? The genre name just sorta organically wrote itself.

I bought an iPad specifically for music production, spent LOADS of money on apps, hated the whole experience and gave up on the idea. At least I have an iPad which is useful...

I dig that dark doggy dub! 🔉🔉🐶🔊🔊

Two years later (from this video), I am loving Nanostudio 2. It's quicker and more fun making actual music with it than on my laptop DAW. It also does indeed have an FL Studio vibe to it. Hoping HOPING they add audio tracks coz the 3rd party plugin "Multitrack" isn't quite cutting it, though it does handle audio playback pretty well - can't record though.

I use a Steinberg audio interface with my iPad Air 3. It’s the UR-12. I use it together with a powered USB hub. If you own an Air 4 or new iPad Pro with USB c, than you can go for the Steinberg UR-22. It’s affordable and these work with the iPad I mentioned.

According to Madlib, he made Bandana on his iPad. He didn't specify what app tho

damnit benn every time you put out a new video I have to put everything on hold for 40 minutes while i absorb the awesome content

I go for the bam bros stuff a lot of the time, great stuff!

I love the iPad for music, and the software available is incredible, and affordable. I do agree that there is a downside, I am not going to give up on it.

I love patterning it is an awesome drum machine.

Thanks for the tip on Drambo!

16:20 awesome!...... my favorite part of the video!🤣😂🤣😂🤣DJ BARK!

The "peace music" is awesome!

The Behringer X series or flow 8 plus the AUM software are excellent reasons to buy an iPad for music production. You can access features with these that would normally be far more expensive and take up more space.

Lmao the dog was amazing man so chill lol