Bergmann 1896 / No.3 Pistol

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Bergmann was one of the reasonably successful yet relatively unknown manufacturers of early automatic pistols. Originally a delayed blowback patent purchased by Bergmann, the design was refined and simplified by none other than Louis Schmeisser into the 1896 Bergmann, in three different calibers (5mm No.2, 6.5mm No.3, and 8mm No.4). Its evolutuion would continue into a locked-breech design using the more powerful 9x23mm cartridge and the later variations would see use as late as WWII.

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@TheGravewalker 5 жыл бұрын

Hunt - Showdown brought me here. Thanks Ian.

@Beavereaver 8 жыл бұрын

Just think a hundred years from now there will be a guy like Ian reviewing historical AR 15s and AK47s.

@ZR3FR1K 8 жыл бұрын

He only said "frankly" twice in the video.

@vaclav_fejt 7 жыл бұрын

the Daewoo OICW, Colt 2000, CZ 100, CZ 2000/Lada...

@giorgigarsevanidze6334 7 жыл бұрын

"Only a handful of these were made, Millions, actually..."

@KnightofAges 4 жыл бұрын

Well, the AR-15 is from 1959 and the AK-47 is from 1947, so they're both pretty old guns already...

@Sockem1223 3 жыл бұрын

Ian's already done those, but imagine the same thing with antique and obscure railguns and gauss rifles

@davidherbst 8 жыл бұрын

Almost 20 years ago, I was given Edward C. Ezell's Handguns of the World as a gift (your review of that book was typically excellent). For some reason, out of the many fascinating guns he covers, the Bergmann's have particularly appealed to me. I never thought I'd get this good a look at one. Thank you for it!

@GenaTrius 8 жыл бұрын

I love the aesthetics of this gun.

@kaytannollinenrautakanki1640 3 жыл бұрын

"I like those odds" -Din Djarin.

@RobertoDonatti 8 жыл бұрын

Back in the 80's a Bergmann crossed my path. It was a 6.5 rimless, grooveless, with a barrel 2 inches longer than the one you show. It was nickel plated and it had an inscription stating that it had been given as a first prize in a shooting match in Argentina. This pistol had a SET trigger, believe it or not. It was sold to an American collector later on.

@kolemijn 8 жыл бұрын

I really like the look of the Bergmann pistols, pretty elegant looking (for the time)

@nf4866 5 жыл бұрын

I still think it's elegant looking. Maybe not elegant in the way we think of current day firearms as looking elegant. But it's almost like a fine art piece. I wonder if the designer had that in mind or if it was a happy accident. It would make a cool display piece either way, I think.

@cameronjenkins6748 8 жыл бұрын

I've always been curious about this pistol but have never really been able to find reliable information on it. Thanks for the video!

@zbyszekz77 6 жыл бұрын

I like to watch older videos of yours and just watched about No. 2 Bergmann Pistol from 2017 and here You already learned what is the meaning of the number on the barrel. Really cool stuff You make.

@JetorgXIII 8 жыл бұрын

This looks like it could have been turned into a blaster for one of the original Star Wars movies back in the day.

@TheRodrigo1555 8 жыл бұрын

Another awesome presentation, Ian

@cherokid 8 жыл бұрын

Very cool gun. Looks very well made and unlike anything today. I see someone has already said they wished a remake could be made. Maybe in a 5.7 FN round or something like that could fit the original design. Anyway, very neat handgun. Thanks again Ian.

@BulletShogun 5 жыл бұрын

I'm here because i was playing hunt-showdown

@m21sup 4 жыл бұрын

Bornheim!

@BackYardPropsWA 4 жыл бұрын

Bornheim gang!

@yeright1977 4 жыл бұрын

Same

@quickhandluke.387 3 жыл бұрын

Same

@eryk9004 3 жыл бұрын

Same

@XSRonin 8 жыл бұрын

This is pistol being used in the latest AC game Syndicate. Love your videos, keep it up!

@ronlane6922 5 жыл бұрын

A later 1910 Model Bergman is featured in the 1971 John Wayne movie Big Jake.

@Bagledog5000 4 жыл бұрын

“I bet you could almost get that fancy gun outta that fancy holster before some fast gentleman with on old fashioned six gun blew a hole in ya.” (Big Jake)

@antlerking69 3 жыл бұрын

The gun in Big Jake is a Walther P-38 modified to look like a Bergmann

@drmaudio 8 жыл бұрын

That pistol is very Captain Nemo. I like it.

@marekkoataj-srzednicki5989 7 жыл бұрын

Number on the barrel are like shotgun gauge: from 1lb (453.5g) lead you can get: 278 6.5mm pellets (Bergmann 1896 No 3, here) 611 5mm pellets (Bergmann 1896 No 2) 156 7.88mm pellets (Bergmann 1896 No 4 8mm, slightly diffrent) 12 18.53mm pellets (shotgun 12 gauge: usually 18.2-18.6mm barrel diameter, choke excluded) Numbers on diffrent models from: www.forgottenweapons.com

@marekkoataj-srzednicki5989 7 жыл бұрын

I'm not the first person, who noticed this correlation. There is similar post on Forgotten Weapons web page.

@jjkroll32 8 жыл бұрын

Beautiful piece from a time of unencumbered engineering and design.

@kendallmeade588 8 жыл бұрын

OMG Thank you! I've been trying to figure out what this was since I found a single image in a gun magazine in Thailand- in Thai- 8 years ago!

@FredDude27 8 жыл бұрын

Show this gun to the guys who are producing the new Star Wars movies. They could probably convert it into a blaster :D

@seanrea550 8 жыл бұрын

+Fredrik Häll those props are likely fully developed at this point. it would be an interesting and functional shape for a blaster though.

@FredDude27 8 жыл бұрын

+Sean Rea Yer probably right! Would be cool though. The Bergmann certainly has a unique look!

@diasirea 8 жыл бұрын

+Fredrik Häll Many movie makers know little about weapons and less about physics, but more of what looks "cool" on screen, hence the meaningless unrelated parts glued to props such as the windshield wiper blades on the Imperial storm trooper blasters. Just once I'd like to see a future weapon prop designed with some semblance of reality. (Rail guns, plasma weapons, even lasers of contemporary concept can be extrapolated to something evolved in future.)

@FredDude27 8 жыл бұрын

+diasirea At least the producers (during the original three movies) picked weapons that could fire blanks. Sterling, Sturmgewehr 44, Mauser C96. :)

@MrReded69 8 жыл бұрын

+Fredrik Häll If you want to see one in action on screen, check out the classic John Wayne movie Big Jake. His son Pat Wayne uses a later model quite effectively. I think it makes a good Steam Punk weapon too. It has the graceful but blocky aesthetic favored by the genre. Especially if it's painted in brass metallic paint.

@djay6651 8 жыл бұрын

You can see where someone slipped a screwdriver out of the screw on the left hand side and skipped about 8 times across the body. Overall a pretty interesting looking piece.

@daisyruin 7 жыл бұрын

Interesting tie in with the video series you're doing now on the development of the Bergmann.

@triplemurray 8 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ian, I now have digital copies of your fingerprints. I promise I won't use them for evil.

@Book-bz8ns 2 ай бұрын

The more I see these Bergmann's, the cooler they look

@Snandra66 8 жыл бұрын

Ooh, I've been looking forward to this!

@daveepsin4795 8 жыл бұрын

+"Marky Mark" Markus Gaming/LurkingFan4 me too, always wanted to know how this works

@Snandra66 8 жыл бұрын

dave epsin Yeah, interesting little pistols.

@AlexHardtAnimation 8 жыл бұрын

No matter what, even though the terminology is correct, I automatically grit my teeth whenever I hear the word 'clip'. As always; awesome video and look forward to watching more!

@laurencekerr956 2 жыл бұрын

Its funny seeing this video on No 3 come before the video on No 2, since in the later video on the earlier pistol Ian has discovered that the number on the barrel is the caliber of the gun but measured as shotgun gauge.

@YakovTow 10 ай бұрын

one of the most unique pistols in terms of design of all that I know, especially for its time

@MarvinCZ 8 жыл бұрын

As Bob Taylor wrote on your website, the number on the barrel denotes the diameter as gauge. A 5mm sphere of lead weighs 1/611th of a pound (there are 611 5mm spheres in a pound of lead). A 6.5mm sphere of lead weighs 1/278th of a pound.

@karl36mansfield 8 жыл бұрын

hi Ian I enjoy your videos of old weapons greatly and the information which you support your guns with is greatly informing. the only thing I find hard to understand is the cartridges types sizes etc as being over hear in England the guns and ammunition are not so readily available to peruse, is there any way if possible to have example cartridges along side the firearms your detailing? keep up the great work.

@franciscohernandez1759 8 жыл бұрын

Can you make a video talking about who you are and what got you into this? I've been wondering.

@kendon81 8 жыл бұрын

another old interesting gun that would make grate molds for Cosplay and prop stores.

@theaceofdaves4121 8 жыл бұрын

The 3 digit number could be linked somehow to the factory/machine/poduction line, that made the barrel/action/gun. Just a thought.

@d0j0w0 8 жыл бұрын

Cool, keep them coming.

@WinterCedar 7 жыл бұрын

Bergmann pistols are my favorite early semiautos. They look kinda steampunk.

@crazyfvck 8 жыл бұрын

That is one SWEET gun! I wish someone would make a repro of it :)

@robertcolbourne386 8 жыл бұрын

The gun used in the movie "Big Jake" was a Walther P-38 modified to look like a Bergmann

@FlamingAtheist 8 жыл бұрын

Beautiful gun

@JosephAnthonyJosefius 8 жыл бұрын

Nice looking shooter, I bet the ammo wild be hard to find.

@Larbi-sz5jj Жыл бұрын

Des armes que je n'ai jamais vu auparavant super

@hipwave 8 жыл бұрын

hey gun dude with an epic goatiee. I am not likey to ever buy one of your outstanding, unobtanium-made, rare-as-**** weapons, because too many miles borders and laws bar me out of the US gun heaven, but I'd like to tell ya that your channel is Great, Awesome, And Cool. Keep up the ggod job. Regards from Europe

@yeright1977 4 жыл бұрын

These are awesome. What was the final sale price?

@Ws_minion 8 жыл бұрын

would love to see a 2 gun course involving one of these... hint hint ;)

@enjoiorange 8 жыл бұрын

Looks like a blaster you would see in Star Wars

@DAVEMC1000 8 жыл бұрын

Would that gas relief hole work as a loaded chamber indicator? Also, do you need the clip to load the mag?

@karlt8233 5 жыл бұрын

Guns from the late 1800's thru early 1900's are perfect props for Steampunk genre of movies.

@axeleichendorff679 Жыл бұрын

278 is the old gauge number for a 6.3 mm bore/land diameter of the barrel. Part of German proof marks from 1893 to 1912.

@alessioyautja612 8 жыл бұрын

I also like these guns, I like the integrated magazine and wish they were left handed :P

@tinhuynh8288 8 жыл бұрын

How does RIA get so many unique and unusual firearms

@randywatson8347 8 жыл бұрын

Despite the akward loading, it look pretty decently made

@bananapotpie3890 7 жыл бұрын

what a beauty! that gives me some jdeas

@fernandolk1 8 жыл бұрын

if i am not mistaken Spain had adopted one of several versions of this pistol.

@therideneverends1697 8 жыл бұрын

Is there any company that manufactures brass? or anyway to get one of these shooting at all? did the original cases use standard primers?

@ForgottenWeapons 8 жыл бұрын

+Andre Krumins I have read that brass can be made from .223, but I haven't tried it.

@therideneverends1697 8 жыл бұрын

Forgotten Weapons Thanks for the info!

@justanotherfreakinchannel9069 Жыл бұрын

Is it possible that the 278 could mean .278 caliber, in a measurement that was common at the time and place? The length of an inch varied quite a bit throughout time and across different locations. I would think it would be relatively simple (if a little tedious) to figure out what common units of measurement were in use where it was made in 1896, and do some simple mathematical conversions until you find one that coincides with the number .278 equaling 6.5mm.

@sebastianlightell8864 Жыл бұрын

How hard would it be to make a repro of this? Do I have to get some kind of license or something? There are a few of these guns I want to make bit not sure where to start

@junior1138 4 жыл бұрын

A few folks on here talking about this being used in the Star Wars Universe. This is the base unit for the prop used by the titular character in The Mandalorian. You been moonlighting Ian?

@twinkgaming420 8 жыл бұрын

Is that P38K I saw rare enough to warrant a video on it?

@bekjan83 8 жыл бұрын

278 maybe .278, like conversion from inch to mm calibers?

@VicariousReality7 8 жыл бұрын

Can you do a video on those nice bisleys behind you

@robertthomas9803 8 жыл бұрын

Some parts, such as trigger and hammer, are straw color hardened? Or just a visual affect?

@ForgottenWeapons 8 жыл бұрын

+Robert Thomas Yes, the small parts are straw blued.

@robertthomas9803 8 жыл бұрын

+druisteen I guess at least potentially. Also said "patented", also possible sale in Anglophone countries. But upon reflection, just a guard against patent infringement in those areas. Hope Ian can answer that.

@robertthomas9803 8 жыл бұрын

+druisteen Having trouble understanding, BUT---sorry did not think of Belgium, or rest of Francophone world. I think you mean Belgium , unlike France, was know for copies of Colt SAA and S&W top breaks, etc.? Other than that = ??????????

@robertthomas9803 8 жыл бұрын

+druisteen Have seen some old Belgian copies at gun shows. Some are "rough", others look quite good.

@honorb4glory606 6 жыл бұрын

It has some steampunk touches. Pretty cool looking, dumb little pistol. I like it.

@roycantu9048 8 жыл бұрын

Very cool pistol for how old it is

@OutOfReachOfficial 8 жыл бұрын

I'd love for a company to reproduce a 9mm version

@ELDELA79 3 жыл бұрын

A guy found a similar fun in mexico buried in the dirt he does metal detectors videos and post them here in youtube

@Ben10r 8 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the movie Big Jake. Bergmann "1911"

@cd8788 5 жыл бұрын

anyone one else here because you tried to find out what gun the bornheim no. 3 pistol was in hunt?

@revistacintanegramx8848 5 жыл бұрын

Tengo esta pistola igual a la que se ve en el video, quiero venderla pero estoy en México. ¿Qué puedo hacer?

@alejandrodemaria8093 3 жыл бұрын

Cuanto saldría una pistola bergmann 1896

@mjisabelle18 2 жыл бұрын

I would love if someone made new production in .22.

@mikcoyour2547 6 жыл бұрын

This gun looks cool but yet I've seen no one who shot it ever except for another version of it

@philosophichuman1507 6 жыл бұрын

That reminds me of the gun from fire fly.

@kaindestuto2053 8 жыл бұрын

THat might explain the marking, it looked like a danish regal sigil marking.

@gunfuego 4 жыл бұрын

This is the same pistol that was in the John Wanye movie Big Jake :)

@Primarch359 8 жыл бұрын

Is there any ammo for any of these? Or a parent case to reload?

@ForgottenWeapons 8 жыл бұрын

+Primarch359 Only collector's ammo is available, but my cartridge conversion book says you can make it from .223.

@aserta 8 жыл бұрын

Such an odd looking pistol. I had seen this on the interwebs before but i had believed it to be something from some Sci-Fi. I guess reality is stranger than fiction. :D

@asifhasmi1688 4 жыл бұрын

Nice

@thenikko8292 8 жыл бұрын

how come we never these types of gun in movies? they would have way more popularity and might entice gunsmith companies to working make replica's

@aserta 8 жыл бұрын

If anyone is interested in how the clip looks check this out: www.lchr.org/a/25/6e/gunbergmann1.jpg Note that the gun does not have the logo present on this gun.

@damaribonsen4116 8 жыл бұрын

, i have a question

@Some_guy12323 3 ай бұрын

I'm here because of westbound

@Jesses001 8 жыл бұрын

Not a bad design for the time. Too bad we can not easily get the ammo. That one looks like it is in fully working order.

@AnilYadav-tf4df 4 жыл бұрын

Bhut good

@jesselu6070 8 жыл бұрын

Are all the models the same design?

@biodieselbaron 8 жыл бұрын

I think your mystery marking is a monogram of the original owner; when new this gun was a prestige object and proud to be owned; not everyone could afford one and where quit pricey...

@jexx2974 5 жыл бұрын

Hunt showdown brought me here

@jlsperling1 7 жыл бұрын

Would this be the same gun that Patrick Wayne's character borrowed from his 'brother' and used effectively in "Big Jake"?

@1timcat 5 жыл бұрын

www.imfdb.org/wiki/Big_Jake#.22Bergmann_1911.22_.28Mocked_Up_Walther_P38.29

@tracydillon6160 6 жыл бұрын

Beutiful lines.

@napoleoneinstein2487 8 жыл бұрын

Interesting design exercise..with a 5 round magazine what is the advantage over a revolver?

@ForgottenWeapons 8 жыл бұрын

It's more awesomer. Same reason people buy guns other than Glocks today. :)

@kodiakcopilot 7 жыл бұрын

+Forgotten Weapons Awesome. lol

@wyattguilliams2621 5 жыл бұрын

For starters it's semi automatic

@neuroshrink 8 жыл бұрын

.278 would be 7mm, Ian...

@atosnesi4792 4 жыл бұрын

Spiegazione tecnica (forse) perfetta, ma che dire della traduzione i sovrimpressione della traduzione stessa che spesso copre la visione delle immagini più interessanti ?

@robloxrapbattlegodfurrynig1912 4 жыл бұрын

Blenheim No.3 wants to say semi auto is always better than fanning

@vp21ct 8 жыл бұрын

What is it about early automatic pistols that make them look like they belong in a Star Wars movie?

@JinnDuceau 5 жыл бұрын

Isn't this the version Pedro Pascal uses in The Mandalorian series?

@fantasia55 4 жыл бұрын

What is the point of this 5-shot single action automatic pistol? Wouldn’t a 6-shot revolver be better?

@ollilehtonen2762 8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this one too. At the first place I heard "bird man". That's a nice gun that I have read about as a kid. It is interesting that self-loading technique is from late 1800s. I had a notion that Bergman was also a military weapon. Any idea?

@WhiteCavendish 8 жыл бұрын

That thing is freaking awesome and I want it lol Sadly don't live in the USA and don't have anywhere near the money to buy it. I believe it would be considered an antique and therefore not actually a firearm in Canada. The magazine design is ingenious, but overly complicated...one wonders why they didn't simply opt for a detachable box magazine of some sort - it seems like it would work in that design with some basic modifications to the receiver.

@John-ww6li 8 жыл бұрын

+WhiteCavendish Suss out Ian's review of the Bergmann M1910/21 9mm Danish service pistol.

@WhiteCavendish 8 жыл бұрын

That thing looks awesome too, but not quite as cool and strange as this one.