Bloke, I'm sorry to say that you have reached the peak of excessive nerdiness. I don't think it gets worse than having a large collection of No.4 rearsights!

"I am not that good at mental math I am an engineer", and then uses a Swiss Army Knife as a hammer, sounds about right...

Correction of possible Error - I may have said that the No.5 front sights are lower - they seem that way cos they're mounted on the flash hider (and I don't have one to measure) but looking at where the 100 yd shots fell compared to e.g. the Savage sight clearly they're not. If I did actually say that (and I can't find it back quickly, and I'm not going to go through the whole thing), Sorry. And it's not worth the hours to find it, re-encode and re-upload for that when it's a minor point.

I fell asleep to this. Then I woke up and finished the rest. Dulcet tones.

This is making me want to video my 6 or 7 Swedish Mauser rear sight variants.

Kinda late to the party here, but I have 1943 Maltby No4 Mk1/2 that was FTR'd in 1956. It appears that while at Fazakerly for the FTR they replaced the barrel with a five groove, put new dark walnut wood on it and fitted it with the Fazakerly milled micro rear sight. It is a real good shooter and I am a Handloader so I load my own ammunition. I have replicated the Mark 7 cartridge with the Sierra Matchking 174 grain. The Mark 7 spitzer bullet had a muzzle velocity of 2440 fps with a Ballistic Co-efficiency of .467 G1 bullet type. The Sierra Matchking has a Ballistic Co-efficency of .499 G7(boat tail) Bullet type. Using a ballistic calculator and some testing I found that using a muzzle velocity of 2300 fps the Matchking replicates the same trajectory of the Mark 7 cartridge and allows me to utilize the sights as they were designed. With that all said, I can tell you that after following the sighting procedure to determine correct front blade sight height and getting it zeroed at 200 yards that it is indeed 3 inches high at 100 yards. The Fazakerly sight allows for 3 clicks down from the 200 yard mark on the sight. If I turn the sight down 3 clicks till it bottoms out it is dead zero at 100 yards which does confirm that each click is 1 MOA at 100yards. With the sight flipped down and using the Battle Sight(Ghost Ring) for the most part its zeroed at 100 Yards. I say that because at 100 yards there is some paralax with that large of an aperture and you have to settle on a mean point of how you are indexing the front sight post and sight protectors within the rear sight "ghost ring" or battle sight. I find the Battle Sight to be most effective at 0-60 yards. At that range it is dead on. Past 60 yards I use the flip up sight adjusted all the way down and then adjust it depending on the distance I am shooting. It is dead on. Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks for all your great work on these iconic rifles!

When you have more sights for a rifle than a museum would have **g** Love it!

That is a majestic lockdown beard. Othias might need to be nervous about his beard power ranking.

I live in the US so the first chargers i got for my lee enfield were the craptastic italian ones. I just got some surplus unused Indian manufactured clips from an australian seller on e-bay and they are heavenly in comparison. Doesnt really apply here but i just figured you would want to know one of your american viewers got the good stuff. Lol

Been binge watching all your Lee Enfield vids... just picked up a 1917 SSA made MK3* in pretty good condition for roughly 46 pounds or $60 US, absolute bargin. Cheers from South Africa.

I was taught by a Canadian Black Hat WWII soldier that two clicks below mark (bottomed out) on the No4 and No5 is a 100-yard zero. I've played this out on the range, and at full bench rest, you'll not get a tighter group with any modern open-sighted rifle (except the imperceptible small margin for error in Mauser battle rifles, but the power of the 7.92mm at that range is high. Also, the harmonic jump of an Enfield with a bayonet attached or not attached will move your elevation considerably. I'll have to reread whether these Singer sights were calibrated based on the bayonet trials and whether it was the 4 Spike of 5 Blade. You made my day, Enfields are so ridiculously complex and if we're honest when buying milsurps, the time spent learning everything and troubleshooting is valued added to the purchase!

Bloke, my L-E No. 4 Mk II arrived two days ago so this video is right on time and much appreciated.

How do the lock-down-beard fare against an enemy like a cheese fondue?

Love it, and I still think that no7 is my 'most converted rifle' on KZfaq!

Lumberjack Bloke coming back with another healthy dose of fascinating yet basically useless data. Never change, you beautiful, beautiful man.

Great work here by BOTR! Brigadier J A Barlow's "Small Arms Manual" first published in 1942, with numerous wartime reprints, gives sight details for most .303 arms. It confirms the logical plan that the cartridge determines the battlesight setting, assuming barrel length is similar (but noting the longer barrel Ross uses the same battlesight range). Ross and P14 rifles have 400 yd battlesight. No.4 flip sight uses 300 yds/600 yds, but modified by the "bayonet fixed" rule described here. No.4 ladder sight has 400 yds battlesight except late production described here. Lewis and Vickers have 400 yds battlesight.

Not showing all the shooting? I demand the full Paul Harrell!

This is great work! Thanks!

Is graph paper not a thing in Switzerland? :)

More lee enfield nerd engineering videos! As someone whos trying to make a .3d print 20rnd trench mag for their enfield this is exactly the content I dream of.

It was interesting seeing that all the sights, regardless of where they were made or for which rifle, basically shot to the same point. I would have expected a greater variance in group location, if only from slight manufacturing differences between them.

I like how you went up by 6 (an oddball number) but quite confident. I usually go up by increments of 5, then go a 3rd time with a guestimate of how many icncrements of 5 clicks in any direction I need to tinker the sights to be on target.

Extremely interesting! I have a No4MK1 with the flip 2 position Battle Sight and a No4MK2 with the milled one

very informative really enjoyed this video hope you get more info on this .you and your stay safe stay well all the best from Scotland when the next batch of patches up foe sale seen the ones you have on jacket

I think I figured it out. It’s a training 22caliber Lee Enfield. Very informative video. Thank you

I hadn't thought about having to bottom out the ladder before using the battle sight. I've been practicing for a target shooting competition in NZ called 'Surplus Steel' (which by the way you would love!) and have to shoot targets ranging from 100m to 300m mostly (odd 400m thrown in) but have to swap and change between the distances. This is my No.4 Mk1/2 with a Mk1 sight. I figured out that with a 300yd on the ladder setting I could 6 o'clock hold for 100m, hold dead on for 200m and flip the battle sight down (without adjusting the ladder sight to the bottom) and it was a 6 o'clock hold for 300m and dead on hold for 400m. I know this is metres and not yards but thought you might find it interesting.

You keep reminding me how much I need to get a No 7

I have preferred large apertures for a long time. The blurred aperture doesn't look any bigger but transmits more light.

Definitely gonna enjoy watching this video over the weekend! But I’ve got a few questions. Been eyeing my first No4 Enfield for a while now. I’m leaning towards forking out the cash for a Mk2 as the rear sight looks to be the most ideal for actual usage compared to the commonly seen flip ups of Mk1 rifles. But is it a easy swap to put one of those nicer rear sights on a Mk1? How does one zero them? And secondary question... is the finish on a Mk2 superior? Or is it also painted and will age quickly and should be saved for collectors who rarely shoot them? Thanks!

I didn't realize so many variants of No.4 sights were used. Now I will pay better attention.

very interesting!

This was great I guess I'm a nerd too! Lol. I have a buddy with a US version Enfield 1917 his battle sight is dead on at 300 with the 30-06 155gr at 2700. He only uses the battle sights. Do you know if the newer #4 click adjustable sights are interchangeable with the 1917? Is there a Enfield site that has click adjustable windage? In your opinion what's better the best Enfield sight or the Parker and Hale version that's interchangeable? Thanks for sharing

That’s an impressive beard Bloke. Every time I try to grow one out it’s all patchy, so I just stick to the moustache.

What kind of ammo are you using,& will it fit in a 303 ? Also is there a special adapter to convert to this ammo,& where do you get them. Thank you

So I've got a sight on my Lee and I'm not sure what mark it is. Mine is a no4mk1*, 1943 longbranch production. The only markings I can find on my rear is a proof mark and a large F on the leaf and ladder aperture. If it helps it does seem to be a milled sight with large aperture battle sight. Oddly enough, and it may just be inexperience with the style of sight, when shot at ~50 yards, my groupings all tended lower than point of aim by about 6-8 inches. No idea why that would be though

Is it me or did the target(s) look like it was smiling? Furthermore, thanks for answering a suspicion I have had with my No.5. I use the standard aperture thinking it zeroed for 300 yards, but was really confused as to why the shots were dropping low when I also used a 6 o'clock hold at 100 yards.

Is it possible to put aperture sights also on No. 1 rifles ? Is there an accuracy difference between a No. 1 from Lithgow 1920 to No. 4 rifles ?

Hi there, i recently acquired a no 4 mk1 (long branch) and the rear sight fitted is completely different from what you have shown, it seems to be a Parker Hale sight. Is it any good?

I now appreciate the large aperture No 4 sight a significant deal more. I just attempted Remote Brutality on a range facing westward at 5pm with an M1 carbine and your sight picture absolutely disappears in the glare when you have a small aperture. Time to take some progressively larger drill bits to a repro...

Dang, with shooting speed like that, you should have no trouble dominating the mad minute. :-)

I like the "ish" on the vernier calipers, I heard a machinist once call them "very-near calipers" and that stuck in my head ever since. Also Bloke, what flavour of engineer are you? I want to say mechanical because I'm biased that way myself...

Which is the best one in your opinion for a Savage No4 MK1?

is using a Swiss Army Knife in Switzerland like wearing the Tshirt of the band you are going to see?

Could we redo this, filming the details inside without the noise problem. Save the shooting bits then remix and submit again?

I wonder if I can make a collection of the Lee Enfield front sights, hehehe!!

Mad minute on the No. 7? Seems like a really short bolt throw. Seems like that would be interesting. Although, I'm guessing there weren't charger clips, and replacement magazines would skew the test results, as well as being hard to find. But it would be interesting non the less.

In battle with bolt guns, troops tended to shoot high. That might explain the offset. Geoff Who remembers Puller's bio.

Just watched this interesting video & it occurred to me to ask if asthe Fazackerly sight was fitted to a .22 training rifle while the sight markings had been altered to suit the balistics of a .22, the battle sight would have remained the same .

Hey can you do a video on cordite erosion on the throat of Lee-Enfield what it looks like and how it affects boat tail ammo thank you and I really like watching your videos

I think I have a F marked sight on mine , i almost convinced myself it was set in feet instead of yards! I’d be happy to shoot a few groups if you are still looking for data?

i find myself googling random things about the enfield and i somehow always end up at a bloke video

Could the different sights reflect the different cartridge variants like the Mark VII to the Mark VIIIz and propellants used like cordite to Canadian or American powder?

what load was rhat , no recoil compared to milsurp loads ?

Man I hate those 300/600 sights that came on alot of the savage no4s. Luckily mine came with the stamped style flip up with reasonably small aperture in the laid down position. Mk3 I think? My no4 mk2 had such a big aperture on the singer style when it was laid down..didnt really like that either. Then there is the p14. Excellent aperture...but only if you like it sighted for 400 yards. So it shoots like 10" high at 100 yards. Not easy to hit anything other than a silhouette with a waist to aim at...so now it wears a taller front sight so I can actually hit gongs at the range from 100 to 250.

Goddamminit Bloke. I'm supposed to be working. Now I'm searching for an Enfield in .22 to add to my collection :)

Always approach from the same side. You said it just as I had finished thinking it.

I have a No 4 Mk2 (F) with a Mk1 dial sight and I swear I had to run the sight up to aprox 450yds to get it hit in the same place as the battle aperture.

Makes me want another No.4.... I miss the Faz

fazakerley is a place around liverpool. Probably where the sight was made.

quick question, what is the distance on the sight leaf between the 200 yard and 1300 yard lines

Bloke, what do you prefer on rear sights? Large or small apertures? And what are the pros and cons of each?

"I'm cream crackered?" no speaka da lingo! spik englazi!

I found a no4 mk2 with a rear battle sight that does not have a flipped-down aperture. Have you seen this before? Only long-range adjustable when flipped up.

Bloke using his SAK can opener to remove the sights, I love it. Victorinox or Wenger?

What front sight are you using?

Bloke, do you have new frames for your glasses?

Think I will make a video of my .303 charger collection.

"Rare as rocking horse teeth". LOL

What a ridiculously niche topic, love it! Why did the Faz (was it?) shoot its 100m where all the others had their 400m, though? The gun hasn't changed, neither has the ammo. Is the sight just wrong or what am I missing here? Also thanks for editing down/out the shooting itself. I've never been a fan of just watching a guy statically shoot for a minute and don't really see why anybody would be but then again that's just my personal opinion and it's also very easy to just skip those parts so either way is perfectly fine.

Maybe you could answer this and save me the ammo. What about the P14 and 1917 sights? If I can get out I’ll give it a try.

I feel like mailing you an Inch caliper... the way God and King intended for Lee Enfields.

A total n00b question here: what's the deal with all the variantion in sights? Why were there so many of them, if the cartridge was the same?

2:59 That target looks like a smiley.

I am imagining the shooter in the next bay overhearing Bloke "Tapping" 9:26 the sight pin back in on a new sight every 3 minutes, and trying to figure out what the heck is going on! 🤔

Nice beard!

So are MK 3 sights (marked II) uncommon ?

Lucky you...

Did the Bloke just discover something about No. 4 Enfield sights that Ian Skennerton is unaware of? Maybe so.

2:58 that is one hell of a target. oh wait it's 2 targets i see it now. i thought it was a happy face lol edit: 12:47 you've never watched a paul harrel production before. a third of of his videos is just a camera facing a paper target

Rim jam at 20:00? 😁

My God, that beard is magnificent.

OMG major sight nerdery. I needed the shooting time to assimilate the conclusions, no shooting, got lost. Kept watching to maintain my anglophilia with Mike's speach patterns, didn't really matter what he was saying.

You need to set the rear sight at 350yds for 50m shooting on a 22/303

Imma miss the lockdown beard ngl

Not so good grouping there for just 50m... more like a 150-200m half decent grouping on a windy day haha... Love the Lee Enfield .. shot regularly with it in the past at Bisley 300-1000.

You look so much like Othais with both beard and hat. It confused me until you spoke.

Action Man Adventurer look.

Was the Spetsnaz tee-shirt a deliberate choice?

can you make musket mad minute

Remind me to never hire you as my gunsmith. :D

I couldn't stay focused long enough to follow the .22 minutia - which I'm not critical of. I think I understand what you were doing. I'll add this: some of the Pam's published for the rifle in that period are wrong. For example Shoot To Live, issued by Canada for the No4 in 1945, also specifies zeroing using the THREE HUNDRED yard battlesight with bayonet fixed..The specified MPI is supposed to be +8.5". In comparison, the Brits and Aussies specified +6". So... Same rifle, same sights, same bayonet, same MkVII ball ammo. Two VERY different specifications for height above POA. Both can't be right... I didn't bother checking it by wasting any of the little Greek HXP MkVII that I have left. I can tell you that in my 1950 Long Branch that I got unissued, with the CMk3 rear sight, when I use the 100 yard zeroing criteria with the leaf sight set at 200 yards the 300 yard battlesight and the 300 yard aperture setting are pretty close, as are the leaf sight settings as far out as 600 yards. But MkVII is pretty much gone. So we're ranging from guys like Rob shooting cast with very different ballistics,. Or SR b. types of shooters using a tuned load with a Sierra Match King or similar bullet. None will precisely match the MkVII ballistics that all variations of the back sight were calibrated to. In general, other than just banging away, either a MkI leaf with one MOA clicks (or better, the leaf sight off a No5 substituted to get half MOA clicks), is probably the best for those who have moved beyond simplyy banging away at targets. To each their own.

your using low velocity 22 if you used 303 would have been much better. I used 303 with large battle sight and leaf sight in the 70s

Santa Claus on the range. ;-)

I apologise for being uninformed and unobservant but could somebody please tell me what the Bloke on the Range was aiming at ?

Swiss Army Hammer?

Is there a reason why they made these things so complicated to aim correctly? Also why are your shots so low? We’re you aiming for the target? This video made me positive I will never own a Enfield.

that's one dense beard! i think it's would stop a 22LR

And no targets were damaged in making this video. BTW, I'm all for any excuse for some trigger time but why couldn't this have been determined by the use of just a micrometer or run-out gauge?

they made battle rifles in .22 rim? thats new to me! were they effective??

I don't really understand why there are so many different rear sights.