Bobby Rock on Vinnie Vincent Replacing Robert Fleischman w/ Mark Slaughter, "Straw that broke the.."

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10 ай бұрын

This is a full in bloom interview w/ Lita Ford/Vinnie Vincent Invasion/Nelson drummer Bobby Rock.
Bobby talks about Journey/VVI vocalist Robert Fleischman, Mark Slaughter Vinnie Vincent, Dana Strum.
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@a.williams1945 10 ай бұрын

I've always been impressed with how sharp and articulate Bobby Rock is in interviews. He has a great memory for events that took place decades ago.

@seangiuliani2552 8 ай бұрын

I agree. He always fascinated me with his skills and look but yrs later he speaks I'll of no one. It's a great throwback. I remember begging my local record store to sell me their pre release 1 album. I got heaps like 2 wks before release. But W the first record he turned it over saw Vinnie and said what the hell are you doing. Lmao. So yeah exciting times for a young teenager. Peace

@memomclaren 6 ай бұрын

Clean life, unlike other guys who can't remember anything

@eako2107 4 ай бұрын

His book about VVI is a must read and a fabulous writer. As Bobby himself said- being sober and DF in the 80s means an excellent recollection.

@tomgrossnickle9705 10 ай бұрын

Hang in there Adam . You were definitely missed . Keep the newsbriefs and content coming. Wishing you all the best from Minnesota

@JPM777 10 ай бұрын

Bobby's a great guy. Very talented drummer and wonderful person. Humble, kind, and into healthy habits and it shows in his physique. The guy looks great. He seems to have fun playing in Lita's band. Interesting info. Thanks!

@coltsin1466 10 ай бұрын

The first VVI invasion record is one of the best records of all time.

@joylane2960 19 күн бұрын

You got that right. That VVI first record is a legendary classic masterpiece 10/10 cd period...> Go buy the original Chrysalis cd version... it's rarer, prettier, worth more, and most importantly it has the original abrasive "fuck you attitude" guitar edge (that Vinnie approves) to it that was toned down on the remastered ones that came later...>

@bradhardisty1652 10 ай бұрын

You always get them to talk great background stories. Much different than Eddie Trunk..like musician to musician.Stuff I like to hear having played etc.

@JeffTullock-fs4de 10 ай бұрын

Bobby Rock is top notch. I still rock my Invasion cd’s. All Systems Go kicks major ass. No bad songs. Good interview.

@p.d.l7023 10 ай бұрын

I loved those two VVi albums.

@zachary_attackery 10 ай бұрын

I talked to Robert and this is the exact same thing he told me about the situation

@dragonfly1694 10 ай бұрын

History repeats itself. Fleischman was fired from JOURNEY simply because he refused to drop his personal manager and take on band manager Herb Herbert. His admirable but misplaced loyalty in his own management cost him the gig for VVI, as he refused to be strong-armed into signing with Vinnie's manager George Sewitt, but in hindsight that was a smart business move, as Sewitt was later found of questionable business practices when he managed Ace Frehley, & caused hell for the KI$$ corp during their '96-97 reunion tour. Bobby Rock was never given the right gig, he went from Invasion to Nitro, who were like a low-rent version of VVI, only more ridiculously over the top but with poorer production values. Vinnie was always in it for himself from day one, sidelining songwriter Adam Mitchell for his own agenda with KI$$, so no surprise he used the songs he co-wrote with Fleischman to get his own solo deal.

@MartinAlvarado 10 ай бұрын

I guess he (Bobby Rock) did a bit better than with VVI and Nitro when he joined Nelson. Those guys had a bunch of hit singles with his debut album.

@wakeupcanuck6763 10 ай бұрын

Robert went on to do what?

@MartinAlvarado 10 ай бұрын

@@wakeupcanuck6763 Bobby Rock did that. He was the one who went from VVI to Nitro. 😁

@dragonfly1694 10 ай бұрын

@@MartinAlvarado perhaps, he was most certainly better accomodated with tour provisions for NELSON (George Lynch has shared several anecdotes of his experiences touring with the Nelson brothers). But as Rock was only a hired gun & not a songwriter, he would have only received a share of performing royalties, and to be honest that group's popularity like many others was largely inflated by constant MTV presence, which didn't always translate to album sales. NELSON were an overnight sensation but forgotten just as quickly. And from a sonic perspective they didn't do his drum sound any huge favours, which used all the typical gated-reverb & processed effects, the best the Fairlight® had to offer haha If anything going from VVI to NITRO to NELSON only did more damage to his musical credibility, because none of those bands could be taken seriously. Rock is a decent drummer but wasn't given the right light to shine.

@dragonfly1694 10 ай бұрын

@@wakeupcanuck6763 Robert Fleischman returned to work with Vinnie in 1990 after Invasion split when Slaughter & Strum took the record deal for themselves as SLAUGHTER. Robert was on Vinnie's 'Euphoria' EP in '96, and the full unreleased 'Guitars From Hell/Guitarmaggedon' album. He also did about 5 solo albums in the 2000's

@markr.devereux3385 9 ай бұрын

I have nothing against vinnie and praise him for giving mark slaughter a shot. LOVE KILLS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE BALLADS. IT sill gives me chills

@ic_clearly 4 ай бұрын

Agreed! Just a killer tune.

@rickfortine7454 10 ай бұрын

LOVE THIS CHANNEL ... FULL IN BLOOM ROCKS !!!

@Jakob-zs1qu 10 ай бұрын

Mark Slaughter had a voice of gold. Im not all into hair metal i listen to alot of other different genres but Mark Slaughter will always be my favorite vocalists

@markr.devereux3385 9 ай бұрын

Hey hold it right there! I totally agree mark was the best singer of his era. I.never got tired of his incredible voice. SLAUGHTER had 1 1/2 outstanding records. That qualifies as the big leagues. They've gotten labeled as a chick band unfortunately.

@bobbafett1849 9 ай бұрын

@@markr.devereux3385lol but Journey is the main chic band of all time

@mdub2000 4 ай бұрын

Slaughter was awesome for the 80’s but Roberts voice is one that actually moves through time much better

@devinw5150 9 ай бұрын

I hosted Bobby for a drum clinic when he first started endorsing Peavey drums and he had that huge renaissance kit. He was a super nice guy and absolutely ripped. He only ate nuts and berries and actually worked out in our parking lot with a full portable gym that he traveled with in his Winnebago before the clinic. He was living a total health conscious life and he had energy to burn. Great clinic, great memories!

@fmbighair 9 ай бұрын

Dude, that’s amazing especially considering he did that waaaaaay before the whole vegetarian thing got popular.

@devinw5150 9 ай бұрын

@@fmbighair That’s true! I didn’t even think of that but you’re right. I was surprised when he declined dinner after the clinic which is what we usually did with all the artists we hosted. He told us that he traveled with his own food and didn’t eat or drink anything that came from an animal. No meats, cheese, milk or anything. I would call him an extreme vegetarian but I couldn’t argue with his results. He was absolutely shredded. I wonder if he still lives that lifestyle now. If I had to guess, I’d say yes because he was so dedicated to it.

@brockpinson949 9 ай бұрын

I saw that demonstration in Boise Idaho. He had a young guitar player named Neil Zaza. If I remember right they played Edgar winters Frankenstein. Bob was saying to us observers that Zaza lived on pop tarts alone. I'm shocked I remember all that. Anyhow that is cool.

@devinw5150 9 ай бұрын

@@brockpinson949 Bobby must’ve hit my area after you saw him because after my clinic, my Peavey rep contacted me and told me that right after my clinic, Bobby was traveling to his next one and totaled his Winnebago and the wreck destroyed that renaissance kit. He said they were driving at night and rolled off the edge of a small cliff. Nobody was injured other than a few bumps and bruises but the vehicle and trailer with all the drums in it were destroyed. Bobby wasn’t driving but I assume his tech was and fell asleep at the wheel. That’s just my assumption of why they rolled off that cliff. I never got confirmation of exactly what happened.

@brockpinson949 9 ай бұрын

That is crazy. Thank you for adding to the story.

@theheavymetalkitchen7607 10 ай бұрын

Great songs on both albums regardless of vocalist, BUT if second album came out first, I believe it would have hit a bigger audience for That Time of Year, Love Kills, Ecstacy, and Ashes to Ashes especially.. Timing was crucial and 1986 was huge.. Just my opinion..

@mssmiles0503 10 күн бұрын

I loved VVI - Love Kills

@mhitson7483 9 ай бұрын

Fantastic interview

@DanielHuman1996 10 ай бұрын

Awesome!

@paulthompson8642 10 ай бұрын

Thank u

@danielneal8644 10 ай бұрын

Ironically, Strum's bass is more noticeable than the drums in the mix...

@johnnyripple8972 9 ай бұрын

“Lost in translation….” AKA….Vinny in certifiable.

@davidhall7648 6 ай бұрын

Great record, your drums still sound fantastic dialled down Bobby

@briansays2286 10 ай бұрын

Good Stuff⚡

@repentnow1720 5 ай бұрын

Loved Bobby Rock (as well as the rest of the band) in "NITRO" with their first LP 'OFR'

@Ashphinchtersayswhat 10 ай бұрын

I remember when I bought that album.

@kevinstreet220 3 ай бұрын

Me too😂, I drunk plenty of beer and smoked a ton of hash listening to it back in 1986

@timbrown6629 9 ай бұрын

Bobby is amazing. He was doing drum clinics when he began using Peavey drums, and he inspired me to go vegetarian... Vegan is more of a political stance, ratger than dietary. Sorry, I'm not having up my leather!! But, after I detoxed, there was a strange event that happened, my transitioned to what I call 32 hour days. I could not sleep and function on a normal 24 hour schedule. I gained an extra 8 hours of waking time, and I asked Bobby, and he has experienced the same thing. I asked how he dealt with it, and he told me to rejoice because I was able to get in an extra 8 hours of activity per "day". 😂 The downside of it, was I was driving my family crazy because I was wired. Eventually I went to a Keto diet and dropped the vegetarian thing because it was turning my family life becsuse I was wide awake and roaming around the house while the rest of the family was trying to sleep. It was definitely an odd experience, but he was definitely very encouraging in this secret discovery that came with juicing, smoothies. And vegetarianism. If I had not been living with my family. It may have been doable.

@Tumbleweed_Tx 9 ай бұрын

When I saw VVI open for Iron Maiden, it looked to me like they had Terry Glaze singing for them- this was right after Terry left Pantera.

@brianwarner308 21 күн бұрын

1:24 ahhhhh!!!!!

@JayTor2112 9 ай бұрын

I remember VVI came out on MTV during this period when i first became a metal head, and couldn't stand the androgenous big hair and lipstick bands, so I didn't listen to it, and never really came back to it after I accepted that look. Bands like Cinderella and Britney Fox kind of rid me of that hangup. I should give them another chance.

@theburialground5 6 ай бұрын

You should. Their two albums were great.

@bryancmcguire 10 ай бұрын

This straw story is almost laughable cause Vinnie did the same thing to kiss refusing to sign their contract. Same reason why he got canned!

@bigpoppa5732 4 ай бұрын

Back on the Street is🔥

@EricBinford 9 ай бұрын

I have always been the odd one out when it came to my head-banging friends. They hated the V.V.I. album. I loved it. I loved Robert's voice on that album compared to all his other projects. It's a solid album, I still rock it. I always thought it was funny how that 1st video they had Mark lip-sync to it. Nothing against Mark, I have every Slaughter album and have seen them live several times. Fleischman was fantastic on the debut.

@petewarrell3734 10 ай бұрын

Vin was bad ass when came to kiss Kiss needed it bad But what happend the that guy? Dope? He doesn't have the same Look? But man could that cat play.. Rock on baby👋👍✌️🇨🇦🍻

@rticle15 10 ай бұрын

He was really quite average as a guitarist. I dont understand how Kiss didn't pick someone better with all the great LA guitarists at the time. Maybe they liked his cowriting.

@jeff-ds2pr 9 ай бұрын

Agree. His guitar playing was just seeing how fast he could play and go up and down the fret board. Most other guitarists from that era could play circles around Vinnie (George Lynch, Jake E Lee, Warren Demartini, etc). Vinnie's real strength was in his songwriting IMO. @@rticle15

@veggiemetal7812 10 ай бұрын

Best glam metal album ever....VVI Forever 💄🤘

@duane8829 10 ай бұрын

These are like the most random names possible

@tonythompson4192 9 ай бұрын

Seen the vvi open 4 iron maiden ! Booed off stage 😅

@michaelmaclane8877 9 ай бұрын

I assume that's because they sucked, but in their defense, doesn't that happen to a LOT of Maiden's opening acts?

@robertphillips8648 10 ай бұрын

Thank you.

@johnmcminn9455 4 ай бұрын

Rock sounded great with Helmerich Garsend as well

@stf259 4 ай бұрын

The record label is the one that picked Mark specifically...

@KISStorianBrothers 10 ай бұрын

dynamite scoop interview!!

@lancejasper7708 10 ай бұрын

A VVI 3 album is apparently happened ??????

@chrisbr1969 10 ай бұрын

Supposedly. Who will release their album first, Vinnie Vincent or John Sykes? Don’t hold your breath for either. It’s a shame, too.

@T.R.R.Jolkien 9 ай бұрын

Don’t you mean Vaginia Vincent

@KSparks80 3 ай бұрын

Hey! That's my old aunt you're talking about. lol

@ellisonlowrimore7751 10 ай бұрын

The first album was the best of the two. Love them both but that first one is special. 🤘🏽

@mdub2000 4 ай бұрын

Vinnie in interviews wanted Robert and didnt want Mark…he wanted the veteran voice as its more closer to the demo’s

@jasonadkins8894 5 ай бұрын

Met Bobbie when he teamed with Buddha and some awesome guitarist in the 90’s , he was such an arrogant $£!€#€ad, very stand offish. Buddha was super cool , had a late night talk and eat with him at Denny’s . Also Buddha is an awesome bass player ( played a fretless 9 string!) & the music was great. It was in the ‘90’s , maybe ‘96.

@rticle15 10 ай бұрын

VV was an average professional guitarist. He cowrote some good stuff with Paul Stanley but couldnt muster anything close to a hit on his own. Throw in his attitude in the 80s and i can see why the label booted him.

@Mad_Axe_Man125 10 ай бұрын

Love Kills was a great song. Vinnie was not average. this is coming from an actual guitar player. listen to vinnies playing on felix cavaleras Treasure. very versatile very melodic.

@rticle15 10 ай бұрын

@Mad_Axe_Man88 ive heard a lot of his work and ive seen him live. Nothing Vinnie did was close to his upper level contemporaries like rhoads, van halen, demartini, or even Dave Sabo. Not saying he was an average guitarist but for a pro he was nothing special.

@VortekStarling 10 ай бұрын

The drums were the least of the problems with Vinnie's records, the big one being that the songs are forgettable and amateurish, most are actually annoying. The solos are the only good part of any VV album. It actually would have been better if he did an instrumental album, like Steve Vai for instance, and skipped trying to write commercial songs because he's just not good at at.

@Mad_Axe_Man125 10 ай бұрын

he co wrote one of kiss's biggest hits. they even brought him back to write songs on revenge and he wrote songs for the bangles..

@VortekStarling 10 ай бұрын

Yeah but his own albums were rather mediocre. BTW, does Lick it Up sound straight to you? He tricked Paul into singing about licking it up.@@Mad_Axe_Man125

@brianshaffneraclc 9 ай бұрын

@@VortekStarling Omg never even thought of that! Hilarious! LiU checked all the boxes of the day for a rock radio hit. But compared to Kiss classics like Black Diamond, 100,000 Years, Parasite or Rock Bottom? Laughable.

@VortekStarling 9 ай бұрын

Have you ever seen the video for LiU? They looked so creepy, especially Gene.@@brianshaffneraclc

@omaomd 4 ай бұрын

I have to disagree, VV is a phenomenal songwriter, I agree the solos are outrageous, but songs like Twisted, Heavy Pettin, Burn, Ecstasy, Deeper and Deeper, Animal are all amazingly written compared to stuff like Poison or Def Leppard or WASP, listen to the unmixed versions

@beerinmind 9 ай бұрын

Who remembers when Vinny Vincent was a man ? Pepperidge farm remembers

@twinvasion7798 10 ай бұрын

Vinnie should’ve just loaned Robert one of his fright wigs for the debut photo shoot since he didn’t wanna grow his hair beyond the permed mullet he had at the time. I remember Robert saying he felt like the normal lookin dude surrounded by three poodles during the VVI debut album photo shoot lol Oddly enough, Fleischman’s image would’ve worked somewhat on All Systems Go when VVI was forced to tone down their image. His voice fit perfectly. The only time I could tolerate Slaughter’s vocals was on All Systems Go… the band Slaughter was awful.

@You-Jive-Ass-Turkey 10 ай бұрын

Robert was given a haircut before the album shoot. They chopped off his hair

@jeff-ds2pr 9 ай бұрын

Fleishman was a talented vocalist, but he just looked like an odd fit in a hair metal band like that. Looked like he should have been in a new wave band or something. Know today that sounds bad to say, but back then it was all looks and image for those bands.

@ladyhonor822 10 ай бұрын

MOUNT CARMEL PENNSYLVANIA USA 🇺🇲 I'M FINE... WAITING FOR THE POLICE... NOSTROVIA ☦️🌎🪖

@MrEricPymm 3 ай бұрын

It seemed doomed from the get go. When your very first single and video are of one singer lip syncing to another, then everything else on the first record, at least as far as videos is essentially a fake, that's just trouble right out of the gate. Love VV, Invasion, Slaughter..but the way it went down was a mess.

@300gjw 5 ай бұрын

I always thought this was a horribly mixed album.

@tommygreenawalt9687 9 ай бұрын

It seemed like the first album was a big f.u. to kiss just very fast noise but all systems go had better songs and tamed down guitars but from what I understand Vinnie was very cheap and only cared about himself and obviously wasn't destined for anything

@theburialground5 6 ай бұрын

Gene actually contacted Vinnie after the debut and told him it was a great album.

@MrWilly2204 10 ай бұрын

I’ve never gotten the Vinnie Vincent hype as a guitarist. The music rocked, but he’s sloppy as hell. Can someone point me to something played by him that’s supposed to awesome?

@raymorrow170 10 ай бұрын

@t Mr willy. Yes. His playing is an acquired taste. But what he plays is just as top notch as Jake. Warren. George. Pull up Vinnie Vincent's melodic style video and others. He can do all of those dudes with ease. He was associated with KISS and that did not help him at all.!! Kiss and Vinnie fan here.! Rock on

@Mad_Axe_Man125 10 ай бұрын

Listen to the album treasure by felix cavalera he sings and plays on that album.

@Mad_Axe_Man125 10 ай бұрын

listen to the track "ya know im pretty shot" vinnie was a very melodic versatile player

@WhiteDevil-du8ne 10 ай бұрын

Mark Slaughter is better guitarist than Vinnie. Probably why Vinne hated him.

@Mad_Axe_Man125 10 ай бұрын

listen to vinnie play ya know im pretty shot. Mark cannot play stuff like that.

@RandyFricke 10 ай бұрын

Vinnie Vincent is the #1 OVERRATED guitar player in history. According to me.

@zerodok 9 ай бұрын

His solos were absolute trash. Look up his embarrassing 15 minute solo from the Creatures Fest from last year. Total cringe.

@chrisbr1969 10 ай бұрын

The first album blows away the second one. Fleischman was a better fit vocally.

@Assimilator702 10 ай бұрын

Mark Slaughter was always a better fit.

@MetalAsylumNJ 10 ай бұрын

@chrisbr1969 10 ай бұрын

@@Assimilator702 The second album was weak. Slaughter looked better but didn’t sound better.

@chrisbr1969 10 ай бұрын

@@MetalAsylumNJ yes

@Assimilator702 10 ай бұрын

@@chrisbr1969 The 2nd VVI album had some excellent tunes. Slaughter was a better produced and recorded band and they were among the best live bands of the Era. VVI #1 WAS a bit more "Metal" but also came across like a VV wank fest which Slaughter never suffered from.

@georgecc 10 ай бұрын

Fleischman's voice was like nails on a chalkboard and then he left the band. He looked like he belonged in The Cure too. Pass.

@gabrielbrouwer 10 ай бұрын

Mark’s voice is even worse.

@raymorrow170 10 ай бұрын

I agree. His look was more like A Flock Of Seagulls.! And yes that voice.! Uhhh.! Marks wasn't much better either.! I love King Diamond. But he has many different ranges in his voice. Those two sound like someone grabbed their nuts and did not let go until they finished their vocal take.! Slaughter had some good moments tho.

@RobertSmith-lg7jp 10 ай бұрын

His vocal phrasing was off the charts.

@Malama_Ki 9 ай бұрын

BwaaHaaHaaa 🤣😂🤣

@georgecc 9 ай бұрын

@@RobertSmith-lg7jp - Yes. Completely off the charts. Not a single hit song on the charts.

@PaulyV56 10 ай бұрын

Vincent's guitar is horrible

@jeffjones3040 6 күн бұрын

Was Vinny a coke fiend?

@ronhaller2143 10 ай бұрын

Robert was perfect… Marc was ok, but he couldn‘t fill the void Robert left behind.

@poeboyjackson 10 ай бұрын

I wouldn't want to be in the same ROOM with Vinnie Vincent, let alone be in a band or on a tour bus with the guy. Just as weird and creepy as they get.

@TranceMasterJack 10 ай бұрын

We've heard he likes you tho. If ya know what I mean.

@You-Jive-Ass-Turkey 10 ай бұрын

Robert refused to sign a contract blindly. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would do the same thing.Bobby Rock turned down playing in Slaughter to be in Nelson.VV has always been toxic.