The problem is that both are pressured by his father to fullfill his command. They are good brothers but the father... Boromir was desperated to help his own people and fullfill the Desire of his father. Will have been better for Boromir to stay in osgiliath and faramir to rivendel

This

you know, its kinda happens irl too. People with good integrity can be corrupted too if they held so much high power

​@@raidensergi2378 Then the quest would be lost, If Boromir didnt pressure Frodo for the ring (i assume Faramir wouldnt) , Frodo wouldnt have left the fellowship behind. Beacuse of that Boromir had to take to journey to rivendel although (speculatively Ulmo) intended Faramir to go there.

Underrated comment right here

He also refuses aid from Aragorn (a skilled healer) and lives only long enough to swear eternal fealty and then expires so as not to waste time. These melvens then go and waste time putting his corpse in a boat and sending it over the falls (the discovery of which pushes Denethor over the edge) instead of immediately perusing the Uruks. /s love LotR

no matter he knew they were technically adults...he couldn't help but see them as children

@@luisbarboza2042 Hobbits are only considered barely adults at 33, while Merry is an adult by Hobbit Standards at 34 he is barely and adult, Pipping is still considered a 'tween,' at 29 by the time Boromir dies. So him treating them like that was probably how they were treated by the rest of the shire

​@Aburg76 that & they are little at around 3 ft tall so they are "little ones" in that they're little guys who need help

@@Aburg76not only that Merry and pip were still very much inexperienced and acted immaturely.

I don't hate them. I love Boromir!

@@estaextrana8486 Good for you!

Boromir is man. Even with that, he's a brilliant general, and a man who cares for his people.

Boromir is my favourite character cause you can see the love for the hobbits he has everytime the ring doesn't have a hold on him. Boromir seemed to care the most for the hobbits even over Aragorn.

They just don't understand the story. Faramir was trying to get his Father's love, while Boromir was trying to protect his land. Unfortunately, they both believed the ring would provide this, which inturned corrupted their hearts. They were but only human.

You have my sword

@@hithedragon7842 and my axe

And my heart

Likewise!! Stewards of Gondor all the way. Denethor being the only exception.

And WE'RE COMING TOO!!!

It makes you wonder if any of the others had come into such direct contact (other than the hobbits, they seem to have some natural defense to the ring) would they have been corrupted by it too.

Boromir is the only character to totally fall off the deep end AND come back from it. He's the only one that is able to pull himself away from saurons total domination. Which proves what a truly strong man he was

@@phillipkilbride9265 Fairly certain the hobbits' resilience to the ring stems from the fact that hobbits love simple things like home, good food and simply country life. Unlike many other races who can crave power or riches.

@@philippeblais8594Yeah, the ring tempts those that hold it with the promise of granting their deepest desires if they use its power. But Hobbits generally only care about food, pipeweed, and chilling with their bros. So the ring doesn’t have too much to work with in corrupting them. Hobbits don’t really have aspirations for power like most races in middle earth. Like, when Sam had the ring, it tried to temp him by saying he could have the greatest garden in middle earth. Which isn’t really all that threatening or dangerous for the world.

@@phillipkilbride9265 All beings in Middle Earth, even Gandalf, as the mightiest and wisest of the Maiar, couldn't help but be corrupted by the ring. Well, except Tom Bombadill... but Tom is Tom. Having said that, some people are more resilient than others - Aragorn was quite resistant to its influence, as was Faramir. Isildur managed to resist the ring for decades.

that's one thing that the fellowship did better than the two tower and way better than the return of the king. is that the character felt human, especialy boromir but even gandalf. in the return of the king, gandalf, aragorn, legolas, gimli are immortal god slaughtering everything in their path, always confident in their capacity and moral but in the fellowship there was doubt, regret, sorrow and more dilemna about what to do. two tower is a bit inbetween but its because its focus is more on a whole human kingdom, the rohan, than only on the fellowship. if i remember correctly, even ian mckellen said that he prefer gandalf the grey as he was a more nuance character whereas the white is just magic jesus.

To be fair, he is human, but he has a lot of the Númenor's blood. Faramir, his brother, died at age of 125, because of that heritage.

I agree with you, but what is this girl thing where you lot deliberately refuse to capitalise?? It's bizarre.

@@alexanderg1935 number one: i'm not a girl number two: idk it's just a preference

More specifically, Gandalf said he would be tempted to use the Ring to do good. In the book he's more specific: he says that many perils lie on his path and he would definitely feel the need to use the Ring to deal with them. Gandalf doesn't really want the Ring's power, but recognizes that if he had the Ring, he wouldn't be able to stop himself from using it forever. Galadriel's more of a specific case. She rules an elven kingdom and with the ring she already wields she sustains that kingdom and keeps things from fading. Galadriel knows that this can't last forever, but with the One Ring is potentially could. But when we meet her in Fellowship, it's at the end of a very long life in Middle-earth during which she has already grown through, and past, a good deal of personal pride and ambition. In her case, one could call it the last vestiges of her old self that the Ring would have appealed to.

Well said

Couldn’t agree more.

Dare I say it his death reminded Merry but especially Pippin the stakes are high.

Just when I had finished crying from this video, I read your comment and I'm sobbing again. But you're so right.

Wow, such a beautiful comment!

The scenes with the hobbits melt my heart, mannn

Keep in consideration that the youngest hobbit was at least a decade older than Boromir. Frodo is 50 at the beginning of the adventure while Boromir is 30 or 35

​@@jon2067Yeah the movie REALLY didn't put that one into perspective and made saruman's betrayal _beyond_ asinine. Mr. "There's no time to mount a defence" all of a sudden has 20+ years to prepare to help sauron while Gondor is still keeping them at bay.

​@@jon2067the book is slightly different from the movie, in the movie the hobbits are somewhere around 20-30

That's intentional and it's to contrast him with Aragorn. Aragorn treats the hobbits like grown adults (which they are), whilst Boromir sees and treats them like children who need to hold somebody's hand constantly. Both acknowledge that they are pretty defenseless people but Aragorn still treats them maturely.

Wow, true... and maybe had Gandalf not fallen in Moria, he'd be also tempted hard later.

Agreed, and it's definitely an unspoken thing that the entire fellowship is well aware of. And if I'm not mistaken, in the movie, none of them even verbalize why Frodo had to leave. They just gave each other looks that seemed to mean that they understood why Frodo had to leave, but none of them wanted to admit it.

Except Sam. He doesn’t care about the ring.

@@goofygoober1007No, Sam was tempted, too. We get a small glimpse in the films when he hesitates to give the Ring back to Frodo, but it’s made explicit in the books. No one is immune, and the most vulnerable to the Ring’s temptation is the very person who believes themselves immune, just like power and corruption works in the real world.

@@ryanhoward8694 it’s been a while since I’ve read the books. But yeah you are right. I always thought that Sam was tempted to keep it because he feared that Frodo was losing it. I meant the ring didn’t tempt him for power but with friendship. But again it’s been a hot minute since I’ve read the book.

The most intelligent comment. 👌

Also, while Aragorn is the hero of men at the end of the story, Boromir’s speech is what allowed him to become that hero. Aragorn’s story is of a ranger of the north coming to terms with his destiny as King of Gondor and finding the strength and the courage that his ancestors lacked. Throughout the first book/movie, we see Aragorn doubt himself. “The same blood flows in my veins. The same weakness.” Aragorn says in reference to Isildur, who succumbed to the power of the ring. But Boromir’s faith in the courage of men is what sets Aragorn on the path to become king. After Boromir’s death, we no longer see a fearful, doubtful Aragorn, but rather a hopeful and courageous Aragorn. He continues to search for the hobbits even after he has every reason to believe they are dead. He cheats death, coming back after falling off the cliff in Rohan when everyone thought he was dead. He rides out with Theoden when the battle of Helm’s deep was all but lost. And in the final battle against Sauron, he leads the army of Gondor and charges to what he believes to be his own death as he believed Frodo to be dead, and without Frodo they would have died in that charge. Aragorn kept Boromir’s spirit with him after his death and this is what made him the hero he was in the second and third book and movie.

That explains a lot about how Sean Bean plays Boromir. You can see it on his face, he is terrified and exasperated but there is a courageous earnestness to him. And to put it into perspective like you said his father is elderly, men are waning, and the armies of Mordor are on the move. The only time a man can be brave is when they're afraid, which is something he says as Ned Stark in GoT.

@@goldmantis5850 Aragorn also wears Boromir's bracers up until the very end of the movie. Even wears them at the Black Gate. You can see his bracers are removed from his corpse on the boat before Aragorn starts wearing them.

Now this what you call masterpiece writing.

More want it for the greater good than don’t. Just as Sauron believed in the order he could bring with it so did many of those who coveted the ring. Saruman was possibly the most concerned with personal pursuits and personal power. Galadriel and Gandalf make it clear that they would take it for good means and those means would soon turn foul. Lesser beings like the halflings were more often interested in personal satisfaction. Gollum used it to spy on others before he was exiled by his people. Bilbo wanted it because he felt he owned it by right and because it was a reminder of his old adventure. Frodo doesn’t have a clear reason when he fails, but at that point with the ring so near to its master influence it barely needed to twist reason at all.

Especially when you know the back story of Gondor's ongoing and futile war with Sauron.

Three arrows to the chest, yet he could still see his true king, yet he could still give praise to his lord

it was 1 scene

@gojiramonster2388 Yeah, not like he Taught them how to fight and ended up in a wrestling match with them all laughing. Told the fellowship that the hobbits would die if they took the path of Caradhras and used his cloak to try and keep them warm. Grabbed them and jumped the gap in the stairs in Moria to ensure they made it across safely. Shared a boat with them from Lothlorien. Died defending them, and his first words when Aragorn arrived were, "They took the little ones." But yeah, you're right. There's only 1 scene showing their bond.

​@enomisv9830 not too mention he was the only one that pushed for the Hobbits to have a minute to grieve after watching their friend gandalf fall to his death

@@AsapBlanco12 "give them a moment for Pity's sake" Love that scene

It makes sense that he would comfort Gimli in his grief, Boromir has certainly lost people he cared about, seen places he loved destroyed. He knows what Gimli is going through and what's more, unlike Aragorn, who is more of a dignified and aloof leader - kingly, you might say - Boromir very obviously leads through charisma and emotion. Plus when Denethor says Faramir has 'few uses,' Boromir give a little indignant gasp, like "how can you even say that?"

It is import to point out, that also Denethor is misjudged and not portrayes well in the movies. He is proud, but a great man and loyal to Gondor and the Line of Kings. The same that is true for Boromir is true for Denethor. He is corrupted by Sauron via the Palantir. And via Denethor the seed of corruption comes to Boromir.

@@clausdamas7822 Very true. Denethor's "corruption", as it were, was a result of despair, as by using the Palantir, though Sauron could not break his mind, he was shown the power of Mordor, a power that Gondor was very much incapable of facing alone. This is also why he favoured Boromir over Faramir: Boromir was a soldier, his strength and leadership a sign of Gondor's glory days. Denethor placed his hope in Boromir because of what the Palantir showed him. Faramir, meanwhile, was a ranger, more adept at guerrilla tactics and scouting. Basically, his way of fighting would not save Gondor. In addition, Faramir was a much more contemplative and thoughtful man, whereas Boromir was a man of action. Again, these are the traits that Denethor believed would save Gondor from Mordor. So when Boromir died, so too did Denethor's hope. He held Faramir in such contempt, not because he hated his son, but because, in his mind, he believed his son could not do what Boromir could. Hence why he makes the comment of wishing they switched places. Denethor was a man broken by despair. The final straw was (believing) he had lost his last son and, as such, had no reason to continue living, since all that awaited (in his mind) was death at the hands of the orcs.

@@LAZERAK47V2 Also, it was Denethor's fault, in a way that Boromir died. Faramir was the one who was sent the dream that he should go to Imladris for the Council, and to find the king of Gondor, but Denethor didn't listen and wouldn't let him go. After several nights of Faramir having the dream without any luck with Denethor, Boromir had the same dream, and Denethor let him go. It was supposed to be Faramir and Boromir was the backup who was sent because Denethor was being obstructive. Maybe if Faramir had gone, he'd have had more luck persuading the Fellowship to go through Gondor. He resisted the temptation of the Ring better, so maybe they don't get sundered, either. And perhaps with Boromir still in Gondor, Osgiliath might have held out better, or he could have successfully persuaded Denethor not to waste lives trying to retake it. When Gandalf et al show up, Faramir would have had a lot more luck persuading Boromir than they did persuading Denethor in the OTL. So many possibilities, all because of Denethor's attitude. It's a recurring theme in Tolkien that people think they know better and ignore wisdom in favor of conventional strategic and military thinking, or else they cling too hard to the things they love, not accepting the transience of all worldly things, even family. And the result is usually disaster for lots of people, not just the ones making foolish choices.

@@Gunleaver. However, this would have meant that the Fellowship would not have broken. This means they would've chosen to go East or West. If they went East, they're unlikely to have been approached by Gollum due to how threatening they would be to him. They'd be approached by Boromir in Ithilien, who may be tempted by the Ring and bring it to Denethor. They're also unlikely to be able to discreetly enter Mordor, and even if they do, there's no diversion since Gondor and Rohan would be destroyed. If they went West, the Fellowship would go straight to Minas Tirith, and perhaps Faramir and Aragorn would stay behind in the hopeless Siege of Minas Tirith (no Rohan, no armies of South Gondor, more Corsairs of Umbar - the battle is obviously going to be a loss with those three factors now flipped). The rest would go East across the Anduin, but they'd still need to get into Mordor and set up a diversion. But much like the scenario if they had gone East, there's no Gondor and Rohan to create a diversion. The only other solution is if they decide to have some go East and some West. Gollum may have approached the Eastern part of the Fellowship, since they would be less threatening, and the Western part may go to help Minas Tirith. Even so, Merry and Pippin aren't going to have been captured and woken up the Ents, so no Isengard destruction. Gandalf the White wouldn't meet with the Fellowship, since they're going straight to Minas Tirith. So, no Battle of Helm's Deep either - Theoden remains under Grima's control (unless Gandalf the White heals him alone, but even then, the orcs could successfully flee from the Battle of Helm's Deep, since there's no Huorns to stop them, and Isengard is still intact. So, Saruman could launch another attack at a later day, perhaps crushing Rohan, and at the very least preventing them from helping Gondor). The Siege of Minas Tirith would then begin like in the books. But, there's no Rohan, nor any of the armies of South Gondor (since Aragorn never took the Paths of the Dead), and so the Corsairs of Umbar also come to make the Siege more successful. So, still no diversion even if the Eastern part of the Fellowship enter Mordor through the pass of Cirith Ungol. But, it is likely that the Eastern part of the Fellowship would meet Boromir in Ithilien, and unlike Faramir, he would be tempted by the Ring and bring it back to Denethor. So, perhaps Boromir going instead of Faramir was a blessing. It led Frodo to decide to go to Mordor alone (with Sam after consideration), it also led to Merry and Pippin being captured and entering Fangorn Forest, and it led to Faramir being the one who captures them in Ithilien, allowing the Quest to continue rather than halting it right there (as most other men, especially Boromir, would probably have done). Merry and Pippin going to Fangorn Forest led to Gandalf the White meeting with the Fellowship and recovering Theoden, and winning the war against Saruman with the Battle of Helm's Deep and the attack on Isengard. This led to Aragorn convincing Sauron that he had the Ring, and Aragorn going to the Paths of the Dead, getting all the armies of South Gondor in place of the Corsairs of Umbar. This also led to Rohan joining the Siege of Minas Tirith and initiating the Battle of the Pelennor Fields. This all led to the successful defence of Gondor and Rohan, and so the diversion that allowed Frodo and Sam to traverse Mordor and eventually destroy the Ring.

Id much rather be Boromir, but we're all just unnamed characters lol

I wish i was Boromir but i'm more like some insignificant anonymous soldier that dies instantly in the background.

We're all just the guys that got hit by the first rock lobbed at Minas Tirith

Aragorn is fantasy. Boromir is reality.

Nah I’m that old hobbit that glowers at Frodo and Sam when they return to the Shire

Very clever writing and acting at 0:08 where it shows the weakness of men. Empathy. Empathy of the man allowed the hobbit a chance to surprise him. Peter Jackson uses Boromir cleverly throughout the 1st film to reflect the weakness but also strength of men.

He and his brother are even nobler in the books. PJ humanized all characters to various extents. Some of the changes are fine, like Boromir's case, not so in Denethor's case, and Faramir's.

Such a fate consumed the life of the last king of line of Anárion.

Don't forget he's the one who pretty much tells Gandalf that the trek over Caradhras was gonna kill the Hobbits

And in the extended scenes he stands up to his father about Faramir. It grieves him that his dad shows him favoritism and ignores his younger brother. It really is beautiful seeing him so devoted to his sibling!

They are brothers who have each other's backs.

Maybe because they are in the midst of war. Maybe Boromir thought if he ever had to die, then no one else is more worthy to carry on his fight than his little brother. Their father, unfortunately, failed to see that until a few moments before he died. They're siblings goal, tbh.

Boromir virtually raised Faramir. After Faramir was born, Denethor basically disowned him, so Boromir took it upon himself to raise and nurture Faramir as best as he could.

I also love the fact that when Denethor arrives they are like "ooh.. this guy"

Not only that, as Gandalf falls you see Aragorn stunned, staring in disbelief, while Boromir is trying to rally people to retreat to safety.

Aragorn is a veteran of decades of war

Not really, Aragorn just knows they don't have time to grieve yet since they were all still in danger.

I was expecting him to say something condescending or critical to the hobbits for not knowing how to fight, and instead he rushed to apologize. That was the moment in the theatre I first really started paying attention to Boromir.

I love bormer, my man bormer is a legend

​@@redlighter516OP was one letter away from calling our man a boomer

@@asinicw9906 we would have had to have crucified him

​@@thedogdogification And instead of feeling offended when the Hobbits take him down, he just laughs with them.

I could get behind that. Beauty of man is in imperfection and CONSTANT TRYING. That is what really means to be a human being. That pursuit of purpose for the pursuit alone.

Very well said

A very true and compelling argument, but I have to disagree with that last point. I personally relate with Gimli more than anyone in this franchise.

Beautifully said.

Didn't the ring tempt Aragorn with eternal life so Arwen wouldn't have to give up her immortality for him and he could lead man to an unending golden age? Pretty sure out of the Fellowship only Legolas and Gimli were never tempted.

Facts

But they are guys, therefore their xp level have only 0.1% boost while Rey is roughly 300 billion percent xp bonus as a female and around 33 billion percent because she’s the main character.

@@enamweaknopahknop9661 and still they remained far more memorable despite being secondary characters

Pretty sure the little boy who had to fight at Helm's Deep probably had more training in one day than Rey did in her entire trilogy.

Rey is the worst character of all time. 7 8 and 9 were complete garbage.

But Boromir is also Numenorean. Just of a lesser house, not the royal one

@@vc180191 I hardly believe that your latest sentence is about the blood strength. Isildur was Numenorean, and the ring was called Isildur's Bane for a reason It's probably just about Denethor and Faramir being closer to the elves by their mentality than Boromir. Ethnically Boromir is still a Numenorean

⁠​⁠@@alexwhite3830 Denethor is pure Numenorean mindset, Aragorn and Faramir leaned towards the elf-friend Elendil side. Denethor to be sure was a powerhouse of a man and uniquely capable in his own right, because he had the knowledge and discernment of his forefathers, and even their sorcery in the form of the palantir. He also had their same egoism and pride which served as his reservoir of willpower and mental strength - this ultimately broke him, because it resulted in the apparent deaths of both of his sons and his descent into madness. There is a quote somewhere in the books that said something like Boromir (mentally) was more akin to the swift sons of Eorl than his fathers. In the end Denethor and his sons were all of Numenorean descent however, and quite pure and noble at that. They even have elven blood as their mother was from the house of Imrazor and of the house of Dol Amroth, and if I remember right the house of stewards have intermarried with the Gondorian line of kings in the days of old. Interestingly even Theoden and Eomer have Numenorean blood and are also descendants of the house of Dol Amroth (via a lesser branch I think) through Theoden’s mother.

Numenoreans are a noble group of Men, soooo

People get it, but even though the Ring was tempting him, it is ultimately his decision to act on that temptation. Being tempted does not absolve you of consequences. They are still fundamentally your actions and your choices. Boromir recognized this. It's why he feels guilty after coming to his senses.

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@LAZERAK47V2I don’t think you quite understand how the ring works. It’s not as simple as resisting the temptation of it. The Ring WILL eventually corrupt anyone who is around it/in possession of it, some sooner than others. We see this with Frodo, especially in Return Of The King. The One Ring feeds off of any desire that a person may have and turns it against them. That is why someone like Boromir who would want to use the Ring for the purpose of good would be more susceptible to it. Even if he’d shown more resistance towards the ring earlier on, it still would have affected him later if he was still alive/Frodo hadn’t broken off from the Fellowship. So yes,he would be absolved from his consequences as he’d essentially be mind controlled and enthralled by the power of the ring.

​@@LAZERAK47V2Not to mention how Gandalf even stated to Frodo that he doesnt want to even touch the ring cause he KNOWS it will corrupt him. Gandalf, who has lived for many many years, is afraid of the one ring. That speaks volumes of how easily it can corrupt people.

@@LucidFilmCo I'm well aware of how the Ring corrupts and that it has its own will and power. But that's just it: Boromir never *held* the Ring. That scene from the movie where he picked it up never happened in the books. The Ring exerts power over its HOLDER, it doesn't corrupt in a radius. Yes, you can be tempted to take it, but the corruption doesn't take hold of you until you actually gain possession of it. As such, Boromir was NOT corrupted. He simply succumbed to temptation, the temptation that already existed in his heart. Boromir was shown to be very frustrated throughout the entire journey. He was shot down at the Council of Elrond, overruled in the route that they would take to reach Mordor (Gandalf chose the mountain passes and Moria before attempting to travel through Gondor, admittedly they'd have to sneak past Saruman to do it) and then was forced to travel through Lothlorien, despite his reservations about the elves. That, combined with the burden he was carrying as Captain of Gondor and no small wonder he finally gave in as they were nearing Mordor. But while this explains his weakness, it doesn't excuse it.

​@@LAZERAK47V2it's not like your friend offering you a key of cocaine in a pub toilet. It's just pure evil. Even Frodo submits to it in the end but Golem gets the ring off him. Every single person in it is completely consumed by it. It's why they let Frodo go alone. Aragon knew that even he at some point would probably try and take the ring

Seeing him nowadays reminds me of the faces of drug addicts and homeless people looking for a way to ease their pain. Truly evil people often choose evil, normal people walking along bad fates are pushed into the path by life.

Proud to say that he always was my favourite

When you're a kid you think Boromir "isn't very good". Then you grow up a little bit and you think "we're like Boromir". Then you grow up the rest of the way and you realize Boromir is a fucking heroic nobleman; "we" aren't like Boromir and never even come close -- normal people are either Bill Ferny, Butterbur, or Wormtongue.

He's the definition of the saying the road to evil is often paved with good intentions borimir didn't want the ring just for power but he wanted to protect his city

@@yoholup19 exactly, unfortunately the ring was designed specifically to corrupt the souls of man. RIP to a real one

He's not ready to acknowledge him as king yet but he recognizes Aragorn isn't just some mere ranger. He's seeing him as an equal in standing & as a warrior. Plus "the hands of the king are the hands of a healer" so by sitting there, talking to & listening to Boromir, Aragorn is proving himself to be king which is starting to click with Boromir

Moreover, he didn't actually want that, he had it in his subconsciousness as the will of his father.

Indeed, that's how the ring gets to you. No matter how 'powerful' you are it corrupts you in the end: " But if you’ll pardon my speaking out, I think my master was right. I wish you’d take his Ring. You’d put things to rights. You’d stop them digging up the Gaffer and turning him adrift. You’d make some folk pay for their dirty work.’ ‘I would,’ she said. ‘That is how it would begin. But it would not stop with that, alas!" -Sam speaking to Galadriel in the book.

Did he have any bad intentions, though? Concerning the lust for the ring, neither me nor You would be any stronger than him.

@@Tony-ci7ys he had misguided intentions, he wished to use the ring to save his people, not understanding how it would corrupt him

@@Osafune2 Oh, even if one understands, they're likely to get tempted hard.

@@Osafune2 Bloody Gandalf - a demi-god, had been around the ring since Bilbo found it. And it took Gandalf what 30 some years of research to reside - it 'might' be the One Ring. But Boromir should know better. Sheesh!

@@Osafune2 Not misguided, more like desperate. As for the ring's corruption, even Gandalf and Galadriel can be corrupted by it, and Boromir's desperation is exactly what the ring needed to worm its way into his mind...

hobbitses, precious.

yeah boromir is described as a beast of a man. best captain Gondor ever had, incredible fighter with trendemous strenght and courage, charisma and tactical sense, while also being kind, virtuous, and a good and inspiring man overall. If he would had suceeded his father as an intendant, he probably would have been the greatest intendant of this age, even considering his father denethor was also a force of nature in his youger years. He stalemated sauron and even repelled him from osgilliath for like 40 years before the death of his wife and the endless evil corruption he faced broke his spirit. if he lived wih the fellowship, he would have been a powerhouse that could rival Aragorn in every way

Denethor, Boromir and Faramir are all of Dunedain descent like Aragorn, just less pure and not of the direct kingly line. Boromir and Faramir even have elven blood through their mother’s side, who was from the house of Dol Amroth.

The theatrical version (Which I hadn't seen until last year), had tons of scenes which gave a lot of context. I think I was confused by a lot of loose ends while watching the theatrical version, but it all makes much more sense in the uncircumcised version.

Well to be fair, I think some of the scenes, such as the ones that show Boromir and Faramir at Osgiliath, were actually filmed later, to be specially added to the Extended Editions. So it's not so much that they "cut it out" so much as it just wasn't there to begin with.

@@shipwreck9146 "The Uncircumcised Version" is what I will now be calling all Director's Cuts from now on. Thank you for that

@@Jdb63 I totally forgot having made that comment. I struggle with language processing, so I often describe stuff in different ways. I like this one too hahaha.

​​@@Jdb63Though it's kind of ironic to call it director's cut, if anything should be called Director's Uncut XD

I pretty much grew up watching Sean Bean in Sharpe, so I have kind of always loved the character.

Mostly corruption from the ring

Yeah it’s actually BECAUSE he’s a good man with the need to save those he loves that the ring can work so well against him. It essentially just has to twist “I need to protect my people, to save Gondor” into “I need the Ring to protect my people” and you can see why he wants so desperately for the ring to go to Gondor. His intentions ARE pure the whole time, he just wants to protect and serve his home, but that isn’t what must be done with the ring, it would undo him just like isildur

Boromir wanted his equivalent of a nuke... which is why Kim in North Korea and the terrible chorus in Iran are actually patriots... and not mad men...

Can I have a time code?

@Aline A 2:02

Two warriors, actually. 👀

Yeah, unluckily there had been a second evil spirit (not only the ring) that had set Boromir's path - his restrain to the will of his father. As we know, his father's intentions were determined by Sauron as well.

@@Tony-ci7ys the father wasn't determined by the will of Sauron. He was just as strong as Aragorn. I mean he could look at the Palantir and remain his will. Sauron changed Denethor way more subtly - he made him desperate. That there's no hope whatsoever. Denethor didn't know that there was some hope. The movie failed to show it

Yo for real. I remember feeling scammed when he died when I was a little lad

Genuinely curious, how is pippin your favorite character? I feel like he makes things worse every time he does anything

​@@aquagold_3352... Are you Gandalf? 🤭

@@sarahdemens9836 I might be 😂

Especially in the books. Book Faramir is my favorite character in The Lord of the Rings. He's the kind of nobility and goodness I wish I could emulate in my own life. Movie Faramir is still great, though in different ways.

@@jaceyking5015 no matter what he shows his quality, To the very highest

They may have took from early denethor. Before the death of their mother, Denethor was truly a great man. At the end of an era, with men weaker than they ever were and evil stronger than he ever was since the last age, he held Gondor together, won numerous times against sauron, and took Osgilliath again after centuries of it being lost. This dude won ground against sauron for nearly 40 years before the death of his wife and the constant state of war against absolute evil (and too much use of a palantir) tore his mind to despair. Thats actually incredible. While boromir took his best traits, and faramir took the best of his mother, they both were the sons of the great man he was before his fall.

Denethor was also consumed by jealousy as not only the Gondorians, but his own father Ecthelion preferred a man named Thorongil to rule Gondor over him. Denethor knew that Thorongil was an alias for Aragorn, and he also knew of Aragorn’s heritage.

@@TheMan05555 being preferred to another by your own parents, Fuck I know that too well

In the book it even explains why he joined the fellowship instead of his brother he was afraid that the ring would corrupt his brother so he took that risk instead

If you have ever read the Lord of The Rings and Narnia crossover fanfiction story, "The Chronicles of The Fellowship" by Michael Weyer, you would love the brotherly bond between Boromir and Edmund even better

A man who was destined to rule but has (in the context of the movie) historically ran away from the responsibilities? And has never shared his gifts and life with his people? Boromir was right to deny him at first.

so close

​@@lucasnicht3347then actually refute it you sperg

@@titobascou9047 against the idea of sending the most powerful weapon in the world to the heart of enemy territory with two defenceless hobbits

That might be the point - that is the reason the ring choose to destroy him.