Modesty, not just in dress, but in speech & behavior & attitude is a very good thing. The world could do with more temperance. We are too quick to act, react, brag, complain.

Biblical modesty is a lot about not showing off wealth, too. That’s important. And applicable to all genders.

I'm Muslim and I LOVE dressing modestly. It makes me feel powerful knowing that my beauty is consealed from evil eyes and pervs who don't deserve to see whats I hold most intimate. Along with modesty also comes with being modest on the inside. How you speak or treat others, how you handle situations etc.

Modesty is not about being ashamed of our body. Its about revealing your dignity and not showcasing your body for every random person to have a free view. It's personal and private part and must me private

I only dressed immodestly when my self-esteem was very low. Due to a rough childhood, I didn't understand how to find love or a sense of belonging. When I started healing, I learned to love, value, and respect myself. I now am most comfortable dressing modestly. I find modesty to be a sign of healthy boundaries.

That’s so true - ‘strangers don’t love you.’ Why give them things for free? I love keeping God in my thoughts when I dress. It’s not as restrictive as people think!

It's weird because I know personally women and men who dress modestly but inside they have no modesty and the way they dress makes people automatically assume that they are good God fearing people. Modesty is not just what you wear on the outside it starts within your heart the heart that God sees because you could be covered from head to toe and not be a good person. I agree with dressing modestly but I would never judge a person on what they are wearing because clothes do not make the man.

I believe modesty should be more normalised in our current society. i’ve heard people shame other women for dressing in long skirts or covering up which really sucks. HOWEVER, I think it’s hypocritical to then force modest clothing upon others and shame them for how they dress. A persons outfit shouldn’t be used to make shallow assumptions about them.

I look back at the 1940 and '50s and I love the fact that women dressed so elegantly and modestly. It would be great to have a wide variety of clothing and styles that are modest and elegant in stores today.

Modesty does not mean boring, frumpy, ugly and old-fashioned clothing. One can dress modestly, but classy and timeless without being revealing. Unfortunately, much of our culture has not only become slutty but sloppy in the name of being casual.

It’s so hard to find modest clothes these days. Every dress or skirt that I like always has a long slit on the side, exposing so much that I don’t want to be exposed. Not that I’m uncomfortable with my body but I believe that my body is only for me and not the whole world needs to see it

I dislike the fact that people nowadays dislike Muslim women's modesty and personal choice and automatically assume it is oppression rather than a personal choice and taking pride in the religion.

I came here ready to fight you for trying to tell women what they can or can't wear. You totally defied my prejudiced expectations, and what you said was actually thoughtful, balanced, and sensible.

I tried to dress like the other girls when i was a younger woman and was very insecure. Now that i am older, i embrace modesty and feel so much more confident about my appearance. I try to encourage the young women and girls at church to embrace modesty.

I am a Muslim woman and I believe I don't need to give my personal information to strangers walking down the streets..and I feel you are an orthodox christian gentleman ..and I must tell that I just loved your thought process.

I've always dressed modestly but honestly I think its just more aesthetically pleasing to me to do so. I'm from a religious background but I also grew up obsessed with victorian literature so I've always had a modern victorian vibe.

I found this to be one of the most thoughtful, intelligent discussions about modesty I've viewed. Thank you!

This is amazing, Brian! You captured it perfectly at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="406">6:46</a> - <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="413">6:53</a>. I was raised to dress modestly for church, but then I thought, if I wouldn't wear it to church, why would I wear it anywhere else? "Clothes are meant to cover the body, not to serve your vanity."

THANK YOU! I grew up wearing baggy things, trying to be comfortable, and my parents (bless them, I love them dearly) pushed me to wear short skirts and tight pants and low-cut tops. They merely wanted me to blend in and be fashionable, but I felt nothing save discomfort-physically and otherwise. My male classmates, even as young as middle school, looked at me differently. Grown men would leer. In college I fell for the liberal idea that I could dress however I wanted and it wouldn't affect others' perception of me, but after bring treated like garbage and groped and harassed, I realized that wasn't true. I discovered that, contrary to what I was taught, I *could* dress modestly without people picking on me. I could dress in a way that was comfortable, that wasn't revealing, and that I didn't have to meet any earthly expectations of beauty. (Besides, women's modern fashion changes so quickly. Terrible for the environment and the pocketbook!) Thank you for this. ✨

I find your arguments interesting but I disagree. I personally dress modestly because I enjoy it. But if I get too hot, I will not hesitate to be comfortable. I do not believe that our physical bodies represent who we are, truly. But I enjoyed your reflection Thank you :)

This is a well-reasoned argument not only for modesty, but for a return to historical ideas of privacy as opposed to modern 'glass box' living.

I disagree with men dressing modestly. Men *should* dress modestly and men need to think about this too. If a guy walks around in a tight, sleeveless shirt, showing off his muscles, then he is making the wrong decision and is not demonstrating proper values. Why dress like that? And you can't tell me you don't know what I'm talking about. It was *never* the norm for men to walk around essentially topless, often while wearing form-fitting pants, until recently. In the 50s, men in their 20s were often in suits. Now, men in their 20s wear pants that expose their underwear and form-fitting shirts with no sleeves. It is disgraceful.

I love dressing modestly for this very reason. I have full control over what strangers get to see and not see.

WOW. This. Was. Amazing! Sadly, the topic of modesty has become so "taboo" even among fellow devout Catholics. This video did an excellent job of really getting at the heart of the issue. Modesty is spectacularly beautiful and, as a 25 year old woman, the beauty and freedom there is in modest dress is indescribable. I don't understand how us women gave up our dresses and skirts and fell for the lie that in doing so we have become more "liberated" and "equal". What a crying shame. Thank you Brian Holdsworth for yet again another incredible video!!

"Humility, humility and humility"

I used to enjoy seeking attention from men by the way I dressed. Thankfully, God changed my heart. I now enjoy dressing modestly and I've been sanctified to hate being immodest; it disgusts me now when men stare at me. I love trying to live a modest and moral life for Jesus Christ.

Ive literally been mocked for dressing modestly for the past year since converting to Catholicism. My mom has called me an old lady and a Mormon because of the clothes ive been newly interested in. Just last monday a male friend called me a Mormon for my high coverage, baggy dress. Why is it the stereotype that Mormons dress modestly and not the rest of us Christians? And why does it make more sense to mock someone for covering their body than it does to mock someone for being indecent in a public place?

This is inspiring as a teen in today’s world. People dress and express their style which is beautiful... but at the same time I’m not opposed to a dress code because there would be less judgement and pressure. It made me tear up when you talked about the fact that we are vulnerable with people we love, and that a man should earn that trust you give him with your body only after showing love and commitment. I believe in purity. Modesty to me is about honoring my husband, wherever he may be and whenever he will come into my life. I also cried at the end, when you pointed out the fact that we have been trying to make men and women equal but have done exactly the opposite.

Started my modest journey a year ago. I’m so grateful that He set that seed in my heart. I dressed so immodestly for years and modesty is just so awesome.

I know I'm just some random guy, who would definitely be labeled as a traditionalist, just to give you insight into my personal bias, but I find women to be far more attractive when they veil and cover their beauty. I find their modesty to be a virtue that I deeply respect and love. And if I'm being honest, its simply beautiful. And it can be done in so many different ways such that there is flexibility and options for everyone. At Liturgy we veil and cover the things we find the most sacred. I think in how we treat our bodies we should do the same. Our bodies are sacred, lets veil and cover that which we find to be the most beautiful, leaving it as a mystery to give to the person we are united to in a sacramentally valid marraige. Edit: I'm seeing a lot of people who seem to misunderstand my position this is to clarify so as not to cause a stumbling block for my brothers and sisters. the idea of veiling is not about being covered in a burka, nor is it having head to toe covered. It means seeing the beauty and sacredness of oneself. Men are called to modesty just as women are. I'm speaking about women because being Male means that is where my interest lies. Nothing I said is normative, just my own humble opinion, but it is most certainly not about oppressing women. Quite the opposite, it is about helping myself, others, and themselves acknowledge their sacred beauty which is a gift from God

thank you, this is what i needed to hear. i’m on a spiritual journey after struggling with borderline personality disorder and an eating disorder. i struggled with my body image and how i wanted to be perceived . i never felt comfortable wearing revealing clothes but i felt that was the only way to be seen as desirable/attractive. i thought being able to dress revealing was equality but i’ve never felt more in control and confident until i started dressing modestly.

True story. My then 18 year old daughter came home from an evening out at the pub. She banged excitedly on my bedroom door. "Mum! Mum! You were right! You were right!" She launched through the door and landed in a happy heap on my bed. Beaming. She had been out with a friend who dressed very provocatively. My daughter dressed well, but modestly. The girls had been joined by a group of young men. They were like bees round a honeypot to her friend, not paying much attention to my daughter. The friend then went to the bathroom. A handsome young man apologised to my daughter for not getting so much attention. The young man explained that the boys all had just one thing in mind with her friend. He then said: "But every one of us would be proud to have a girl like you as our girlfriend". The other young men nodded in agreement. "You see, Mum" my daughter said solemnly, "Girls who dress all tarty get loads of attention off boys, but it's the wrong type of attention. Was that what you meant?" I struggled not to laugh "Something like that, darling, yes"

I love this so much! I've always dressed in what most Catholics would see as "modest" (no sleeveless shirts/dresses or tank tops, no short shorts of short skirts, leggings aren't pants, etc.), but over the past year I've really started to pay a lot more attention to what I wear and have really ramped up that self-awareness, and ever since then I have been a huge advocate for dressing modestly! At this point in time, I always wear long skirts, long sleeved shirts, dresses, and I always cover my hair. If I do wear pants, they're VERY loose. You know those soft flowey pants? Those ones. Nothing that would show off my figure. I was never the type of person to wear makeup all the time in the first place, so that wasn't really an issue for me. I do wear makeup for special events and business stuff, but other than that I pretty much go bare-faced all the time. And I also emphasize that modesty is a lifestyle, not just a dress code. I really try to prescribe to the idea of the "Marian modesty" movement.

This was one of the most levelheaded, even-handed, "modest" exhortations to modesty I have heard. The flow of your reasoning from first to last was excellent. Fantastic work.

This guy reminds me of a serious, intelligent, and nicer version of JP Sears. Great thoughts on the topic, bro

My husband and I watch this video together and it has changed so much of my thinking and practice in dress. I'm so grateful for Brian and his devotion to goodness and truth, to our Lord.

As a Muslim modesty is part of our faith, you covered this topic so beautifully, thank you for sharing your thoughts, much appreciated 😊🌹

Ego trap = thinking you’re better than someone for being modest.

Wow, this is so well explained, and from such a unique perspective! Thoroughly enjoyed the whole video. Very well articulated and expressed with sincerity. Thank you Brian.

I love the way you approached this subject! I think modesty is natural. I think we have to be taught to be immodest.

I have just recently started wearing only dresses to Mass. The dresses are very modest. Interesting commentary.

Ain't nothing modest about this guys hair my goodness please do a hair video coz I have natural curly hair and I need to know ur routine

I recently heard Andrew Klavan predict a future "Victorian" resurgence. So refreshing to hear and hope for. Loved your add.

Eleanor Roosevelt said "No one can make you feel inferior without your permission." I don't care what others think of me as much as I care what I think about myself. I have also found that those others are very busy worrying what others think of them to care much about how I am dressed. I dress to do my job effectively. I am clean and smart. My style of dress reflects that.

The reason why men and woman should be modest with their clothing is to help this fallen society better cope with their jealousy and sexual drives. In the old days you never saw your neighborliness's wife naked or close to naked (bikini). And there was no tv and magazines to consistently force you to compare her or your body to the ideal. The Amish I think has coped the best with it in their strange way. Every woman and man basically wears the same outfits and pretty modest at that. It helps reign in that monster inside us all. I hate this modern world for the simple fact it woke up something inside of me that I wish never existed. But it's there. I cannot deny it or snap my fingers and take it away. I just need to help myself and others cope with our fallen state as well as possible. It's only a few decades you need to hold out... compared to eternity. ;)

So good to get a man's perspective. I am going to talk about this over on my channel soon as well. The Lord has really worked in my heart on this matter, and has caused me to feel shame for not being more reverent in this area. He is good though and has not condemned me, but instead taught me His ways.

I love this message so much. I tend to over share and then regret it. I never thought of it from a modesty standpoint. This message is a blessing on my life. Thank you.

It sucks that the people who really need to hear this, would never click on this kind of video. -.-

I got chills with just the title lol. I support modesty in totality. It’s beautiful when practiced in sincerity.

Good video. You did it without the immense loads of Shame and violence (veiled....and not) that usually accompanies this topic. Women find this topic disgusting, because it is put across as a demand and with vile arrogance, and because it forces us to make a sex object of ourselves, when we are just trying to be comfortable with our own bodies (and not made into a walking "Sin") , as men are allowed to be. You did it with sensitivity, which I find is lacking more and more with the "Rad Trads", who fail to apply intelligence, humility or compassion to any topic, let alone to topics involving women. Thank you.

What do you think of bodybuilders getting on stage in posing briefs?

dressing modestly is a huge sign of respect 👍

The only way you're informed that a woman is feminine is by how she dresses? I consider myself to be a modest dresser as its in my nature, but to link modesty (dresses only, going by the montage at the end of the video) to vulnerability is a bit... misleading.

Excellent video! I have a complaint. Women's available fashions have gotten tighter and more revealing over the last 25 years. Much of it is "barely there", missing half of it, "peekaboo", even see-through. The pants are spray on and deliberately shredded and torn. I have been utterly disgusted trying to shop for clothing for my teenaged daughters. It is to the point that it is almost impossible to find decent, reasonably stylish and appropriately modest clothing for older girls and young women. I was a teenager in the 1980s, and everyday clothing for both sexes (unless you were Madonna or a stripper) was generally very modest. Everyone wore loose shirts (polos, button-downs, or a heavy cotton t shirt) tucked in, with jeans or pants, which were heavier material and straight-legged, often with a belt. Dresses were long enough to wear without leggings. No rips, no visible bra straps, black lace, spandex, no yoga pants outlining your privates in public, no men with their butts hanging out of their shorts. I would really like to see women start saying "no" to the fashion industry that is pushing increasingly immodest clothing that degrades women and robs our dignity.

This is so true! The more you reveal the more vulnerable you are to judgement! Very wise advise.

This assumes that we should be shameful of our bodies and that we only dress/look the way we do for the attention of others. This is also a bit toxic in that it further pushes that people cannot help themselves because we allow ourselves to be vulnerable in front of strangers. People should dress how they want and what makes them comfortable no matter what gender they are and society around them should learn to get over it and mind their own business. If dressing modestly makes you happy, awesome, but don't judge someone else because they want to wear a shorter skirt. I also assume this is directed only towards female projecting persons as men's bodies are not as over sexualized and they can dress however they want with no one batting an eye.

This is fantastic. Thank you for revealing so much more on this topic in such a great way.

Great video. Btw we’re “equal” in the sense that we’re complementary... men and women complete each other.

"And some might even say 'its a somewhat fashionable shirt'". Favourite Holdsworth line.

Thank you Brian. My husband and I recently visited India. Modesty in dress is the norm for both men and women. Sari's, kurti's, flowy fabrics are the norm. What was surprising for me personally was that I experienced was a greater sense of freedom. There was no need to avoid looking at people, who were dressed immodestly, as we have in our culture. Here, we have to pretend that immodesty is good, that immodesty is empowering, by not averting our eyes. Where what was once considered immodest and exploitative is now seen as empowering! Thank you for your reflections.

Came back to Christ about 6 months ago and started dressing modestly at 36 and I love it. I grew up in NY and it’s very hard with the influence over there. Moved to PA and my mentality started changing. Sometimes feel uncomfortable to wear mostly skirts. But I do feel more feminine and confident and love that feeling. Makes me uncomfortable when other women at church don’t dress modest at the very least for service.

What's that painting of Mary, which you used as the last slide of "other" women's fashion examples?

Wow. Dude, this is the most lucid exploration on the subject of modesty (and how it relates to feminism) that I’ve ever seen. Bravo, and thank you. Subscribed!

I appreciate you sharing your thoughts on this. For women's pants though-I wear many different cuts of pants including a loose and flattering cut of "boyfriend" jeans, tailored flowy pants that give room around the legs but still look polished, as well as wide pants that conceal what my leg shape is really well :) I feel like there is a TON of options readily available in the degree of fitting and looseness, as well as shape of pants for women right now.

Well yeah I'm dressing modestly when I'm at a job interview or on similar occasions, but other than that I wear whatever I like and want. I don't care if an uptight stranger judges me because he sees my knee or a bit collarbone. I feel incredibly comfortable in pants and would never ditch them for a dress even though I occasionally wear a dresses. The older I get the less I care about what other people think of me and the more comfortable I got with my body. I wear whatever makes me happy now and "wow" this made me happier. Who would have thought. It is incredibly judgemental to look down on strangers and just because you judge people because of the things they wear doesn't mean everybody else is like you. Other people should never be the reason to stop something you loves if it doesn't hurt anybody Hope this brings my point across. English is not my first language so please be kind

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="585">9:45</a> Womens jeans leave nothing to the imagination? This boi has NEVER seen youth leaders in skinny jeans then 😂😂😂

I love how well you explain the modesty isn't just about how you dress or the details of what you wear. It makes me realize I have a lot of work to do on being modest, although I've always dressed very modestly.

Modesty is a beautiful quality to have it defines one as a serious woman And a god fearing woman . And one that does not want to make any man stumble . I love dressing modestly. You can dress modest ,and really be beautiful . Great you did this video .

One of the best explanations on modesty I’ve ever heard. Thank you for that 🙏🏻 Also liked the shirt change at the end of the video! 😆

I disagree with the idea of someone having earned your modesty. No one is owed your vulnerability that is a choice of the person not an expectation of the receiver. No matter how much they love you, your body and character is your own never theirs. You can never earn someone.

I wish I saw a video like 8 years ago before I went off to college! I had the wrong mindset and thought I had to do what was popular back then and was way to open and vulnerable with the wrong people. Safe yourself the pain and try to understand what he’s saying it will make your life better

Hi this is very interesting. Where do you get your knowledge? What books do your read?

Love your message, Brian. Thank you for the reminder !!

While I am not the 18th-century version of modesty, I have always enjoyed more traditional clothing. Knee-length, or longer, dresses have been my ideal clothing choice since was very young. Due to this, I don't understand why women, as young as their early teenage years, choose to show an amount of skin nearly that of what is shown in a swimsuit. I feel that modesty goes hand in hand with dignity, a quality any women should possess.

This was the most beautiful explanation of general modesty I've ever heard, and I've heard MANY sermons on the subject in churches, as a Christian.

I have had the experience in my teen years of trying to keep up with fashion now I am comfortable with modest clothing that is more simple and more effective for my everyday life looking after my young children but at the same time to dress nicely and feminine for my husband I feel there is a reason now to dress this way I have noticed the difference the respect and kindness It's nice to have people speak to me for the person I am and not what I am wearing

This is a captivating, informative and also spiritual video. You were able to get your point across in a modest articulate way and I thank you for this. We need to bring modesty back , both genders are in desperate need of it. Society is in desperate need of it. Great job. ❤️

Modestly dressed ladies are still judged ,insulted ,raped ,abused and murdered .I understand your aim ,only the reality is ,that no matter how modestly a lady dresses ,she is subject to a vast array of behaviours from others and their particular misplaced beliefs and mind sets .

I grew up in a Christian home and was told to dress modest practically my whole life, but it wasn't until I accepted Christ as my personal Savior that I chose whether my parents told me to or not that I was going to dress modest. I don't dress modest for people to think I am a Christian or for men to not look at me in the wrong way. I honestly dress modest because I have a Heavenly Father that loves me more than anything, and in knowing that I love Him and respect Him. He has personally convicted me in the area of my dress, and I obey Him because of my great love for Him. Nothing more.

So many are in desperate need to watch this video and take note. So well put, thank you.

title: the power of modest clothing me: /laughs in muslim/

So what kind of power would someone have over me if they saw me in a summer dress vs a long more modest maxi-dress? That I'm a woman and have a 10th of their strength on my best day? That despite my modest dress I still can't get away from anyone that wants to hurt me?

I am very grateful to have had parents that raised me to be modest. I’d say this is why I love 40s-50s fashion, it was modest but also very feminine. Great video, I love how you talked about strangers and how they don’t care about our best interest. The topic is important and I’m super happy to see someone talk about it.

Your explanation was so far the best I've ever heard, thank you!

I'm a seminarian, and while watching this video I was constantly thinking about the pastoral way of communicating this message of modest dress to a congregation. Perhaps too often, messages of this sort come across as judgmental and overly critical, but I think Brian hit the nail on the head. It was really insightful to think about the meaning of femininity, and comparing that to the ugly backdrop of society's current standards when it comes to women's fashion. Also, in a totally unrelated note, I find it interesting when I see people dressed inappropriately for Mass try to act all pious and "holier-than-thou." I've lost count of how many times I've seen someone come to Sunday Mass (i.e. not daily Mass) in athletic shorts, but they do things like receive Communion kneeling and on the tongue, or they always have their hands folded in the prayer posture. There's a clear disconnect that they're not quite getting...

Thank you for adding an intellectual voice to this topic! You are brave as a guy to make this as it can come across as invalidating to lots of women... I would argue that cleaning and outfits and working out and makeup and perfume can have NOTHING to do with caring about how other people are viewing you. I do all of that when I interact with 0 people during the day. Everyone’s different but I’m so sick of people telling women to stop wearing makeup because we’re “doing it for men” absolutely not. I do not look cute for other people, it’s more about confidence and artistically expressing ourselves. That is why modesty in clothing is so confusing to me, throughout my life I’ve never dressed thinking of how guys are viewing me, so dressing modestly forces me to objectify myself. I think women really into modesty are full of themselves thinking how hot they are, I am realistic and don’t go around thinking I’m attracting people. But as a Catholic, women are forced to be presumptuous of our sex appeal. I’d argue it could make women more insecure being forced to analyze our bodies soooo much to find “modest options” Definitely “immodest” clothes are not less comfortable, yoga pants are leggings are soooo much cozier. Especially in summer too living in LA I am way more comfortable in tank tops and crop tops. I just don’t find in any way immodest clothing being forced upon women or being oppressive. That’s just my experience though! Again, thank you for an excellent video!!! Just wanted to add in a female perspective: Your voice is always much appreciated to me!!

Living simply and modestly will absolutely simplify and make happier your life 🙏🏼

Just discovered your channel. You talked about this so eloquently. Thanks.

I"m so happy to watch a man talk about modesty. Thanks.. I have been dressing modestly , since young untill now age 45. I think modesty is true self confidence ,plus respectful to others.

I disagree with a number of the things he said in this video, starting with the original notion that we should only show people close to us parts of our body out of what seems to be other peoples fear (particularly the guy in this video) that they can "use it against us" in some way shape or form. That's the equaivalent of saying that you should wear make up so people don't think you're ugly and treat you differently because of it. Because they definetly will. But you can't let that control you. That's not modestly it's vanity. You should work to be less caught up in what other people think of you. You shouldn't abide by their judgement. Beyond that, the end of the video where he talked about how women don't wear pants the same way men do really annoyed me. He ignored the picture of the man with skinny jeans right underneath the pictures he was showing and then proceded to show the tightest womens pants there were. That didn't annoy me quite as much as when he started highlighting what he considered to be better options for women. I take it this man has never tried to do anything in a dress before? I find them to be inconvienent and uncomfortable. And I'm not alone in that either. I'm more likely to see a girl casually wearing baggy pants than I am in a dress so I know it isn't just a matter of a lack of modesty. If a dress is long and tight, it restricts your range of motion, if it's long and loose, it gets in the way, if it's short you have to keep pulling it down and you have to pay closer attention to the way you sit than you would in jeans. I really hate dresses. I do not wear jeans because I want people looking at my body. I wear them because they're a lot easier to wear than anything else. If people looking at your body makes you insecure then cover it up, but don't expect the same from other people. Not everyone has to be insecure.

This the first of your videos that I’ve watched. I’m so impressed by and grateful for what you’ve communicated here. I cannot express strongly enough my agreement with your views regarding this subject. Subscribing now. Thank you.

Is there a link to the study? It sounds interesting, I would like to read more about it.

I dont hate when somebody acts immodestly around me

Um. No. I’ll wear what I want to wear. I’m comfortable with my body. I’m not gonna hide. Judge me or not. I don’t care what you think. I majored in theoretical physics and applied mathematics and I’m a programmer. People who show me they’re going to judge me do me the great favor of showing me who I should ignore.

This was a wonderful talk ! Your heart is pure. Such a breath of fresh air in these times! I have five daughters and I feel like it has been such a battle to get them to understand the value of modesty. It is something we are always striving to instill. 😊

6.48 to 7.05 God bless your immaculate heart and understanding of this issue

I couldn’t wear dresses to work. It would be so uncomfortable. But I do wear longer blouses with pants. I really enjoyed all your points!! We need this discussed more

This started with the best description of modesty I've ever heard, and ended with a feeling that I'd been seen for the first time in a really beautiful way. This touched me, thank you.

Oh my goodness. It feels like you gave words to what my ideology has always been. I just didn't know how to explain it to my daughters so can carry on the modesty to the best generation. Thank you so much

Okay guys I have a question...If I see a guy working in the heat with no shirt I can usually say "well he is doing his work and it is not right for me to stare or create some story in my head that he does not wish to be in." Now I used to be a long distant runner and am used to seeing the body in practical terms. I could run in a dress (and have) if it is knee length and has a wide skirt and does not cling but do not usually run in dresses but have often hiked in knee length A line dresses usually where there is no one but my husband and dog is since I am surrounded by wilderness. My shorts that I have (to beat the heat and get relief from the winters in Oregon's mountains that require me to spend over half the year in multiple layers) are knee length. I have never seen the calves as a big deal on a hot day. How is this for the guys? Are calves a sexy thing for you guys or mainly a body part for getting around? I mean I do not stare at at guy's calves except to think oh that guy is exercising; I should do more of that too. I can totally see how the thighs would be different and I feel really uncomfortable when men wear speedos instead of swim shorts but understand that you can swim faster with them cause there is less drag. Maybe you guys could wear spandex shorts to the knees to swim in for speed and reducing chafing. Do you guys and gals also have any ideas about how we can be modest but also exercise and care for our bodies and be safe and practical? I nearly fell flat on my face when running in a long skirt and stepping on it. I would honestly love some suggestions of things that have worked for both men and women being modest. I am glad that Christian men do not expect women to wear men's clothes as they do not fit well or flatter (with some happy exceptions like the gay section of men's clothing). I bought an item from there that was white with beautiful hummingbirds all over that was prettier than any of the women's shorts and it was knee length as well and had great pockets. I wonder if part of this is context too. My bathing suit is long sleeve full coverage on top but I wear full coverage swimming briefs...are you guys uncomfortable at the beach and what could be done to help with that? I mean wet suits are OK if it is not too hot but swimsuits with long skirts are horrible to swim in and actually some of the modest swim suits billow in and out under the water. Are there times when tighter can be better? I agree with modesty and am not trying to make this hard but I am active and always have been and some activities are fine in dresses (maybe not ankle length though these are fine for walking but not climbing mountains, riding a bike or doing manual labor of certain types. I used to work for the government in Salmon restoration until I went into missions, teaching and other things. I want to help you guys and also honor Jesus but if I am spending the day worrying about clothes because they are not right for the day then that does not work for me. I do not think I should have to give up biking, swimming and the like. I agree that modest dresses are awesome but am wondering if there are some solutions out there than can work. I know women have done farming in long dresses but I do not think it is practical to wear long dresses in the snow where it is snowy for almost 4-5 months of the year. Muddy and wet dresses are worse. I do find sweater dresses that are knee length and wear leggings under them, as many women here do, as we tire of wearing winter pants and unfeminine clothes so often. Suggestions are appreciated. Would it help the men to see that women sometimes have job or exercise responsibilities and we have to be practical? One time I got a dress caught that ripped in my bike chain (my only way to work at the time and work was 7 miles away in the snow (during the winter season) of Colorado near the Rockies). That was not a modest moment for me as it cut that dress in half and nearly caused me to fall off as well.