A Second Secret that Hodor could never tell anyone
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6 жыл бұрынHodor had a secret. But he never got to tell anyone, because he could only say one word. Hodor.
It’s not the Hold the door thing. It’s something much bigger. We learned about it in Bran’s second to last chapter in the books. When they fight their way up to the cave. It’s subtle though, so I never caught it, until today.
He wondered what Meera would think if he should suddenly tell her that he loved her. (ADWD, Bran II)
Does Hodor love Meera? Or was that Bran thinking about love? And if Hodor loved her, did he adopt that love since from Bran after being warged? Or Did Hodor love her all along?
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@luimbe 6 жыл бұрын
Aren’t knights helped into armor as well? Would hodor have helped Lyanna into her armor?
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
oh no wayyyyy. i dont know if we will ever find this out, but unless proven false, your theory is living on in my head. that is awesome!!!
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
thank you for sharing, Luimbe!
@ShadeoftheEvening 6 жыл бұрын
bridge4. I have a thought about this theory. Were men allowed to help dress women? I think, imo, that it's something he'd never do. He'd have been too young, and we've seen Lyanna dressed as a boy, and
@luimbe 6 жыл бұрын
Kerri McDonald I thought the same except not being properly knighted she wouldn’t have had a squire to do that. Who else would help her armor up for the tourney?
@ShadeoftheEvening 6 жыл бұрын
bridge4 🐺
@tylersherwood667 6 жыл бұрын
But didn’t bran warg into child hodor? So he could have transferred his feelings about meera to hodor years before meera was born.
@TreyGod803 6 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly
@philipcoltharp918 6 жыл бұрын
That is a question, further more that piece of Bran would be in Hodor for years. Is that why Hodor was excited to see Meera the first time. Yes, yes, my mind is blown.
@philipcoltharp918 6 жыл бұрын
Time Paradox... Lovecraft... Knowledge incites insanity. The time paradox crippled Hodor's poor mind. Inspiration from @ideasofIceandFire
@jonkezer645 5 жыл бұрын
Also the voice Hodor hears is Meera when his mind breaks. There maybe a recognition of the voice.
@slimpickins5617 5 жыл бұрын
Tyler Sherwood thinking the same. From hodors point of view it was all a crazy dream up until he first saw Meara hence his excitement and joy to realise the cause of his affliction.
@ricey23 6 жыл бұрын
Kev you've made Hodor's sacrifice even more heartbreaking. He'd lived his life for the destiny to save the woman he loved... I'm not crying.
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
"i'm not crying" lol one other person wrote something funny like that. y'all crack me up
@davidvondoom2853 5 жыл бұрын
I agree. It now seems like he held the door... out of love.
@dee2652 5 жыл бұрын
William Rice I want confirmation from GRRM!
@luciferangelica 5 жыл бұрын
no. it's, like, really smoky in here
@HopeUnquenchable 5 жыл бұрын
That's actually strangely comforting to me, because up until now, I've felt like Hodor was (out of sheer necessity, but still) *used* by Bran to hold that door and make it possible for Meera to escape with Bran and preserve the world's memories - that he was an innocent basically forced to give his life to save them - but if he LOVED Meera, it was as much his _own_ choice as it was Bran's, which changes his death from a horrible tragedy (Bran having to sacrifice Hodor) to an act of true heroism (Hodor giving his life to save the woman he loved).
@ryanhodgson9693 6 жыл бұрын
Bummer and Brodor, sounds like such a good buddy comedy
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
Lol!
@mikejohnstonbob935 5 жыл бұрын
bro! the door!
@rivermistfae 5 жыл бұрын
I would watch thissss
@athityakumar5786 5 жыл бұрын
Barney Stinson approves :-)
@warhammer1 5 жыл бұрын
Brodor... HAH, that's a meme waiting to happen.
@ferrousoxcide393 6 жыл бұрын
You are missing the time Travel Worg. Where hodor at the time of his death scarred hodor as a child. At that time he could of been influenced by Brans imprinted love for Mira as a child. Explaining why is so excited to see her in the beginning. He remembered his love for her form when he was mentally damaged by the timetravel worging. Hodors love for Mira is Brans love for Mira handed through time. A forever loop of loving her and dieing for her.
@ChainedFei 5 жыл бұрын
CRIMINALLY Underrated post.
@Mei-jk3zy 4 жыл бұрын
this deserves more likessssss
@linne6959 3 жыл бұрын
Like, like, LOVE!
@altair91100 2 жыл бұрын
holy fucking shit dude
@JamesTorquay 5 жыл бұрын
Also if you're to believe this theory to be true, Meera being the one who said "hold the door". Hodor spent most of his life only being able to repeat the last words he heard from the woman he loved. Turns out I wasn't emotionally ready for this video. :(
@ScottishRebel 5 жыл бұрын
bran technically transferred these feelings to hodor when he was viewing the past so in reality bran just gave hodor those thoughts before he was even born technically bran has been loving meera for decades before his birth and hodor had these thoughts in his mind the rest of his life in the end bran had the thoughts first
@darncat422 5 жыл бұрын
@@ScottishRebel maybe bran got them from Hodor in the first place
@Natalie-cv2nt 5 жыл бұрын
Same here
@luciferangelica 5 жыл бұрын
oh wow, like echo
@Sopranohooper 3 жыл бұрын
So "Hodor!" Translates both to "Hold the door!" And more directly to "As You Wish!"
@AdamOfEverywhere 6 жыл бұрын
"Hey guys Bridge4 here today to make you feel even worse about Hodor's death" great vid tho
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
lol
@thetruemorg 5 жыл бұрын
It’s like if you know one more sad thing about Hodor he’ll be the most tragic character in the whole story. Thanks for making me tear up
@bridge4 5 жыл бұрын
My bad
@HopeUnquenchable 5 жыл бұрын
I actually felt much better about it, not worse, because if this is true, then Hodor was not a simple innocent that Bran had to sacrifice to enable Meera and himself to escape (IMO the thing that made his death such a horrific tragedy, like Shireen's); he was a true *hero* who gave his life to save the woman he loved. I sincerely hope you're right, bridge4.
@gfox9295 5 жыл бұрын
@@HopeUnquenchable Yep, very true.
@deladrin2.0 6 жыл бұрын
Which is why it was important that Meera was the one to actually say “hold the door”...because he loved her. He wasn’t about to let those things tear apart the woman he loved. And THAT made me choke up all over again. Smh. Thx for that! Lol ❤️
@thomasamacher8228 5 жыл бұрын
I agree. Hodor needed to love her so he would do anything to save her a.k.a hold the door. This makes me think what if Bran being part of Hodor helped that love develop so he was ready to hold the door?
@dannakanizai7477 5 жыл бұрын
Bill please Oh Z
@1994savvas 5 жыл бұрын
I think it's the opposite. He didn't hold the door because it was Meera saying it. He fell in love with Meera because as a child he heard her voice through Bran's warging. When Hodor actually meets Meera for the first time he is excited because it's the voice he had in his mind since he was Willis!
@Overlordough1201 5 жыл бұрын
That...would actually make the “Hold the Door” thing so much more logical, and even more meaningful. Instead of it just being Bran’s warging like in the show, it could also be his love for Meera...or maybe *thats* why he holds the door! All for his love of Meera, going to that exact moment, a moment he has been preparing for and become so obsessed with that all he can say is what he will do for his love. “Hold the door” for her...shit, now I wan’t that to be real...you think G.R.R.M. just looks at all the theories and is like, “Ohh! I’mma use that!” Be a hell of a lot easier.
@bridge4 5 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure I mentioned in the next video that, even if this is true, we are going to find out in the books that bran forced hodor to hold that door (against his will) :*(
@insonh21 5 жыл бұрын
This might explain "Mad King Aerys" madness, if King Aerys warged into an unknown dragon that still existed in a far off place than his "burn them all!" would be the dragon in him wanting to kill everyone by burning them, King Aerys might have gone mad because he didn't realize the dragon was in him, this is from his history "Although his rule began benevolently, he succumbed to madness" anyone else agree with this?
@Loverleezack 5 жыл бұрын
No, because its been mentioned a few times that mental illness runs in the targaryian family. And they inbreed which would increase the odds. And he seems inspired by king henry
@insonh21 5 жыл бұрын
which Henry? there were at least 8 of them
@Loverleezack 5 жыл бұрын
The one literally known as the mad king. Henry the 6th.
@insonh21 5 жыл бұрын
i thought that was King George?
@Loverleezack 5 жыл бұрын
King Henry the 6th is believed to have had schizophrenia. www.henrysixth.com/?page_id=55 There has been more than one mad king. Again, inbreeding. Which is why I say the mad king is at least in part inspired by real life
@leoli306 5 жыл бұрын
the "Bummer" thing just killed me, did not see it coming
@bridge4 5 жыл бұрын
Lol bummer means something different in the states It's just an "oh darn." "Oh shucks" lol
@leoli306 5 жыл бұрын
I know lol. It's the wordplay of Bran + Summer = Bummer that I found extremely witty and funny
@bridge4 5 жыл бұрын
Ohhh. I thought u were laughing at the european meaning. I didn't know that one :-/
@in_vas_por8810 6 жыл бұрын
I laughed at "Bummer", grinned at "Rickydog", then absolutely lost it at "Brodor" lmfao
@YTFlove4ever 5 жыл бұрын
BUMMA
@joshuaherbert30 3 жыл бұрын
Get ready for Gon and Arymeria
@chrisb__ 5 жыл бұрын
This actually made me wonder what the cost is for worging too much. Is it like Voldemort, where if you give your soul in bits and pieces - to things that will die before you - are you destined to die in pieces? Is Bran destined to be more and more detached because with each use of his power he expends a bit more of his soul/humanity? How much of Bran died with Hodor? ....this is waaay too deep for me, which way to the shallow end of the pool?
@CyclopsToppingWolverine 6 жыл бұрын
1:29 quality picture choice for Lady. I laughed, all the others are so serious.
@Crabchann 5 жыл бұрын
A Cat lmao!
@DontknowhatImdoingbutitsfun 6 жыл бұрын
The first few seconds made me think you were going to speak Hodor the entire video.
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
Lol. No but I do say "hold her"
@DontknowhatImdoingbutitsfun 6 жыл бұрын
I would have been pissed but also kind impressed by the commitment. Oh man, I forgot about Bran crushing on Meera. Those days are far gone. I didn’t pause The Avengers to catch a cause of the feels.
@TheJustAamir 4 жыл бұрын
He kept repeating her words "Hold the Door" his entire life!
@erianle123547 5 жыл бұрын
Hodor may have just remembered Meera from when he was warged as a boy, after all, she was the one saying "Hold the door." Not Bran.
@youtubeuser7202 6 жыл бұрын
It wasn't just loyalty it was for love.
@andrewb4326 5 жыл бұрын
If this is so, it makes his sacrifice even more meaningful! He did it fir the love of them both.
@kevinsiedenburg4955 5 жыл бұрын
Take it one step further... Bran planted the love seed (god that sounds bad) in Hodor in the time-warg. Hodor loved Meera before she was even born because Bran already loved her when he started time-jumping. Thus, the love could actually be a paradox.
@pilgrimwanderer6575 5 жыл бұрын
Here's the cream on that cake. The only word Hodor has every said is the truncated repetition of the words of his love Meera: Hold the door.
@curious0349 6 жыл бұрын
That scene never gets any easier to see.
@ahmadumar918 6 жыл бұрын
Most of the theory channels post stuff like " Is (add name) secretly a Targaryen ?". Like , every theory is about someone being a Targaryen. But this channel does put a smile on my face. Great theories with very great evidence to back it up. Gg my dude Kev.
@pervysage4934 5 жыл бұрын
Perfectly balanced. As all things should be
@bridge4 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Umar. I do prep a secret targ video last December tho and plan on finally editing it in a week or two. But I promise thats the only one I can think of :-P
@jennyr4057 5 жыл бұрын
everyone's a secret targaryen!
@carlosbrannan703 5 жыл бұрын
@@jennyr4057 for real. Not really a secret, but the Targaryen blood is mixed with alot of big name houses
@carlosbrannan703 5 жыл бұрын
I mean both Jon(Aegon) and the NK are both Stark/Targaryen. Even Tyrions grandfather or something has Targaryen blood
@jbtechcon7434 6 жыл бұрын
Why can everyone understand Groot but not Hodor?
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
lol. aw. groot is awesome. have you seen the opening scene to movie 2? it's friggen awesome!
@HikuroMishiro 5 жыл бұрын
Because Flora Colossi is an actual language(in the comics), even though most beings unfamiliar with the language can't translate it and it sounds the same to us. Hodor... Well, most likely do to his mental handicap is saying of 'Hodor' is as simple as that and he's not trying to say anything complex, so there's nothing to understand. However while 'slow', he can understand complexity so it is possible the communication centers of his brain are more damaged than the rest and he's unable to physically express it properly. Theoretically if inflections and such weren't random and he was still attempting to speak properly(after years of knowing that no one can understand him), perhaps his 'Hodor' could be translated as well. The former makes far more sense to me, but only Martin could say for sure.
@bridge4 5 жыл бұрын
Lol
@TotallyNotJustCynical 5 жыл бұрын
Because they can't? Rocket understands him but no-one else does.
@Killer4fun 5 жыл бұрын
@Quaid Except at least Thor and all other Guardians of the Galaxy can. Thor because he is Thor and Guardians because they have translators (?). Guardians have all reacted to Groot's potty mouth so they understand him at least to some degree if not the translators.
@donwilli 6 жыл бұрын
All of these chapter re-reads I've done, and I never in a billion years would've picked that up. You are truly a great analyst Kev. 👍
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
Dude. Me either. I've read that love line a dozens of times, and for so reason, it just felt off this time. So I reread all brans chapters as I searched arouND th rabbit hole :)) Check out luimbe''s comment pinned on this video. Luimbe wonders who helped put on lyanna's armor... imagine if it was hodor!?÷ and the implications. Bow THAT would be a gnarly secret :))
@thebovineavenger 6 жыл бұрын
Hodor LOVED Lyana. So when a young strong beauty who looked and acted like Lyana showed up. Hodor fell in love all over again. Bran did not feel love until Hodor. Bran felt a child's crush. It was the love for Lyana placed on Meera that had Bran "Loving" Meera. Again it goes right back to Lyana. I think Lyana is GEORGES first love who broke his heart and played many men that Lyana is based on.
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
awww. is there a real life Lyanna!?!?
@thebovineavenger 6 жыл бұрын
Georges first love. The women who broke his heart to be with another man. George writes about his own Heart break. I always thought lyanna was the worst women in the whole book. She caused so much pain because she was selfish. Georges first love. Yes Hodor loves Meera. I think that is the ONLY real love in the whole story. He saw Meera for what she was. If Hodor hadnt loved Lyanna and been broken hearted he would of never looked at Meera the way he did. I wish George would have Meera and Hodor end up together forever. REAL LOVE.
@rajuramlall 6 жыл бұрын
definitely agree with this theory
@bethanys8125 6 жыл бұрын
thebovineavenger I love this! But wouldnt Hodor's love for Meera be the worst kind of love? If Hodor really loved Lyanna, then he only loves Meera because she reminds him of someone else.
@rajuramlall 6 жыл бұрын
well, I think that Hodor still thinks of himself as a boy. When he got bran-ned he got stuck in that loop. So his love or admiration fro lyanna is transferrable to the likeness of meera. For all we know, he thinks meera is actually lyanna.
@danjo2080 5 жыл бұрын
Also, depending on how much kid Hodor saw when he had that Bran-induced seizure that spurred his speech impediment, he may recognize Meera from those visions.
@broefkip 5 жыл бұрын
That hold the door scene still gave me goosebumps and shivers down my spine. That is probably the most engaging scene I have ever experienced where I felt such an emotional connection to a fictional character. Pure cinematic beauty and art.
@bridge4 5 жыл бұрын
The whole show is art. The sound dude Ramin jwadi is a wizard. And everyone involved in piecing it all together is awesome But yeah, I'm with ya. This is a powerful scene among powerful scenes. Pure art
@oatmeeru 6 жыл бұрын
Hodor = Hold the Door Hodor = Hold Her
@hagrid1123 5 жыл бұрын
Omg
@SS-hd5jx 5 жыл бұрын
hoed her
@lauransantos 5 жыл бұрын
Sahil Sharma 😂
@hiddenheretic1219 5 жыл бұрын
Your reaching
@vickyfromtheblock3385 5 жыл бұрын
🤯🤯🤯
@evthink 5 жыл бұрын
How many times will Hodor make us weep for him !
@sloideh 6 жыл бұрын
Hodor knew who jon snow's parents were for sure
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
I'm with ya. because i implied that he understood the love story behind the tale of the knight of the laughing tree. but do you think he connected the dots when hearing this story? or before?
@sloideh 6 жыл бұрын
bridge4 i think it's when he hears the story itself (but one thing about it, the story of the knight and the tree as said refers to rheagar and lyanna (or leanna) but it was thought by most at that time that rheagar kidnapped and raped her.) (I'm also just beginning with the books, where I'm reading a song of ice and fire: game of thrones. So I'm not up on everything)
@darkstorm08 6 жыл бұрын
Burhhhhhhh.... I'm dead
@R355UR3C7 5 жыл бұрын
I think an interesting addition to this would be that 'hold the door!' are actually her words and Hodor has been repeating them for most of his life.
@sentell8657 5 жыл бұрын
The 1st time Bran wargs into Hodor is also the last time. When Bran was viewing the past with blood raven Hodor as a child spoke normally. It wasn't until Bran wargs the young Hodor in the past in order to simultaneously control Hodor in the future, thus sacrificing Hodor to save hisself. Bodor could have been made then as well the love Bran felt for the girl. Perhaps Hodor grew up loving a girl before she was born.
@ericwilliams7374 5 жыл бұрын
Every time I see one of these videos, it just makes me want to start the whole damn series over again!!!
@tracylane6163 6 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love your insight into GOT. You are consistent and knowledgeable. You have a great speaking voice too. Keep up the great work!
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
thanks, Tracy =))
@tommydeaton2149 6 жыл бұрын
Brodor.. I like it. Lol
@dcmbassi 5 жыл бұрын
"Brodor" sounds like the nickname I'd give a guy at the gym who keeps saying "One more set".
@bridge4 5 жыл бұрын
Lolol
@bridge4 5 жыл бұрын
Lmao oh man
@stevigrega 6 жыл бұрын
This is a great reading of these characters and makes me love Hodor even more.
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
i might be way off. i never saw it this way until 2 nights ago. but i got really excited to share =))
@accountname17 6 жыл бұрын
It's pretty striking that it was Meera's words that 'turned' him into Hodor too. Whether he truly recognised her voice from his visit as a boy or if he just grew into the love naturally, it's a very neat connection for them. It would make the idea of the Mad King's "burn them all" tirade actually coming from present-Jaime's words another tight connection, which I think you alluded to in another video. Regardless, I like that Hodor was able to protect her. Heart=warmed
@heidelward905 6 жыл бұрын
and all he could say was hodor... thinking how he turned her last words to him into his identity made me cry...
@davidrauscher1839 6 жыл бұрын
If, as it is a GRRM addition, Hodor came from "hold the door" from Meera through Bran, as Bran was then skinchanging into him in the past, technically Hodor had just been carrying a torch for Meera since before she was even born, as Bran imprinted a part of himself on Hodor's soul years ago
@ninjabunny5576 6 жыл бұрын
Your videos are so in depth and amazing plus your soothing voice just makes it perfect!
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
I'm trying my best :))
@scott7598 6 жыл бұрын
That is another one of those far stretches but your videos are so well thought out that you could make someone believe the sky was red if you wanted to. Awesome job again.
@fayereid9266 5 жыл бұрын
when you opened with hodor hodor hodor I half expected that to be the dialogue of the whole video.
@bridge4 5 жыл бұрын
Lol
@cashargis6950 5 жыл бұрын
If the story with Hodor in the books is the same as the one in the show then, considering the time travel involved, Bran has been inside of Hodor long before Bran was even born. It's possible that whatever feelings Hodor initially displays for Meera come from the part of Bran that had been a part of him since that event. Great video!
@bridge4 5 жыл бұрын
:))
@SparkleWithCreativity 5 жыл бұрын
But Hodor's feelings happen after Bran wargs him... Because he was warged as a child before Bran was ever born. So e feelings still could have come from Bran.
@webx135 6 жыл бұрын
This whole thing is so adorable.
@aweeks062 6 жыл бұрын
Hodor is such a sweet tragic character...Your videos are great. You bring something extra and you really find perspectives that are new and fresh! Keep it up Stud muffin!
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
thanks, Ashley =))
@TheBloodsuger150 6 жыл бұрын
I’d argue it’s likely Hodor loved Lyanna. She was similar to Meera but also would explain his reaction to the story?
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
someone suggested that Hodor may have helped Lyanna put on her armor back at Harrenhal (cause it's hard to put on armor by yourself. best to use someone who can't speak if you want to keep it a secret. especially if you grew up and trust that someone =)
@Jazzitiswhatitis 5 жыл бұрын
I also think thats part of why HODOR became his name, it was the last thing the woman he loved asked of him. In the past he had a seizure but his strong feelings for Meera might've made that one important fact stick
@bridge4 5 жыл бұрын
:*)
@DarkSparkCannabis 5 жыл бұрын
thats such a sweet story, thanks for bringing this to life
@MG-rf5vp 6 жыл бұрын
Aww so touching. A nice way to remember him. The only word that he repeated his whole life was the last words of the love of his life which were from Meera "hold the door."
@VondaInWonderland 6 жыл бұрын
😢 That's super sad on so many levels ♥
@chazwinski 5 жыл бұрын
I'm even sadder than I already was about Hodor.
@4RMULA_arch 6 жыл бұрын
BROdor! 😁😁😁 he may have loved the story because he remembered lyanna--and had a crush on her--and perhaps meera reminded him of her...
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
you know what i just read... what if Lyanna had Hodor armor her to be the knight of the laughing tree!?!?!? imagine!
@4RMULA_arch 6 жыл бұрын
bridge4 that would be bananas...i hope get another 'willis'/lyanna/ned/brandon childhood flashback in season 8 👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽
@KJ-4-Chiefs 6 жыл бұрын
This is a deep cipher. I love this Kev.
@agirlwhohasnoname3005 6 жыл бұрын
Nothing to do with Meera, but “Brodor” was foreshadowed in A Game of Thrones. Brans chapter right after Ned is beheaded. “See Rodrik should teach me to use a poleaxe. If I had a poleaxe with a big long haft, Hodor could be my legs. We could be a knight together.” “I think that... unlikely,” Maester Luwin said. “Bran, when a man fights, his arms and legs and thoughts must be as one.”
@SithScribe21 6 жыл бұрын
Dude.. Mind. Blown! 😶💥Actually lol'ed at #Bummer and #Rickydog 😂 Great stuff, Kev, as always!
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
at first i had just Rickydog. but then i said "shaggyrick" out loud, and i liked that one too. so i threw them both up there =)
@SithScribe21 6 жыл бұрын
bridge4 I immediately thought, 'Raggydog,' but that sounds like a Scooby-Doo reference lol
@MichaelGrant_mlkgrant 6 жыл бұрын
We all come up with good shit because of people LIKE you bridge4.... kłłd... We just come-up with it... it just happens... like shit happens... yah knowzzzzzz snowzzzz
@SithScribe21 6 жыл бұрын
Michael Grant I want some of whatever you're smoking... #strangecharacter #senselesstrolling 😵😲🚬
@StarDMC26 6 жыл бұрын
to soon for the "hold the door" scene. my heart broke a bit more thinking that and watching him hold the door.
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
It'll always be too soon for this and one other event in particular :*(
@pwniman68 6 жыл бұрын
I still cry every time I think about hodor.
@radagastscousin 5 жыл бұрын
Brother, I am officially all up in your channel. I'm binging your stuff like crazy. I love your theories, your presentation, your style, and I appreciate the work you clearly put in to these videos. Thank you. Please keep it up! [Sidenote: I only just now realized that I'm still not okay about the whole "Hold The Door" situation. I'm not over it. I'll be crying and time-looping over in the corner for a bit.]
@bridge4 5 жыл бұрын
That helps the channel a lot so thank you!! Ps... it's awesome seeing radagast get some love. Creative SN! :))
@radagastscousin 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I've always thought that Radagast never gets enough love. Not only in his work with the fight for good, but he is a friend to nature and animals, an Ainur, and a Maiar too; so I give his shoutout when I can. I've long been a Tolkien-lover, but I'll admit that I'm a relative newbie to The Song Of Ice And Fire (only for a few years now, and only just started seeing the show), but I'm loving the similar deep history and lore. And I've been looking at a lot of youtube channels on it, but I'm honestly digging yours the most. The theories, the thoughtfulness and research, etc. Well done, man. Honestly. Please keep it up.
@bridge4 5 жыл бұрын
I'm with ya on radagast. He never did and never will get the love he deserves Thank you BTW :)
@nicjade704 6 жыл бұрын
I always feel the need to comment even if I don’t know what to write just because your videos are so damn good. Please keep up with any future GoT even in 20 years time 😩
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
thanks, Nicola =))
@joemofo903 5 жыл бұрын
Bran did the timewarg into younger Hordor, so yes, while I do think Hodor loved Meera most of his life, its because Bran was imprinted on him from when he warged into child Hordor. It happened in the show, and I think it will happen in the books.
@Howtard 5 жыл бұрын
Hodor and Bran were also reflections of each other; one can think and speak but not act or defend themselves, the other can move and is strong but can't express himself or think clearly. I think together they completed each other during Bran's arc to carry out both their wills, which was to save and help Bran survive. It also provided a convenient way for Bran to learn more about his powers and travel despite his injuries.
@Thecommander248 Жыл бұрын
Well, one point. Hodor could've adopted Brian's live for Meera when he was first worged into as a child. Meera wasn't born yet, but Hodor would have seen this as destiny to meet this girl that he loved since before she was born.
@-trmxzer0-235 5 жыл бұрын
Bran went back in time and warged hodor as a child so hodor lived his entire life with brans feelings inside him. Thats why it appears like he cares for her, but also that it feels strange when bran considers holding her in hodors body. Its because hodor does not truly feel the same. They are only brans lingering feelings. Hodor had a crush on another strong female... Lyanna Stark
@malanmoody8313 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting!! I never thought of that.
@housemilton5820 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Keep it up through the long night.
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
thanks, H.M.!
@scottishgirl8259 6 жыл бұрын
House Milton that's a good way to put it.
@Matt-st1tt 5 жыл бұрын
I really like this take and it makes me feel more like Bran adopted Hodor's love for Meera since Bran had already warged into Hodor before he started showing feelings for Meera
@haleyarmstrong8595 6 жыл бұрын
Mad that I didn't think of this first 💯👌👏🙌 love this! Brought tears to my eyes.
@823Labs 5 жыл бұрын
You missed a piece. of the puzzle.. Think about how hodor became hodor, he already had Bran in Hodor all along. So Brans love would have been there.
@James-dn8dh 6 жыл бұрын
This might be my favorite theory yet
@WAYTECHGAMES 5 жыл бұрын
Super keen for season 8 to come out! Watching all these Theory videos is making me want to watch the series all over again. Nice video!
@bridge4 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks :))
@stuv1996 5 жыл бұрын
This makes so much sense. Especially when you think about the fact that him holding the door in the future was what made him always say "Hodor", if he saw that he was holding the door he probably also saw her and the love he had for her. Therefore he loved her his whole life after that before he even met her.
@RaphyLive 5 жыл бұрын
"Brodor" somewhere Barney Stinson is sending you a High-five.
@bridge4 5 жыл бұрын
Lol who is that. From always sunny? Or not that. It's the one called mother of my children or something with... OK I stopped ramblking and googled it. Yea I know barney. He was awesome. Not sure I deserve a high five from such a legend. But thanks!
@John-uw2je 5 жыл бұрын
Hodor loved Meera because Bran loved Meera and Bran wargs into Hodor in the past. So yeah, Hodor in a way was always part Bran. Also, Meera is the one who told him to hold the door.
@jmbrissett5545 5 жыл бұрын
I think you're on to something here, and it makes a lot of sense. It even deepens the reason why he would "Hold The Door".
@boneshiqua 6 жыл бұрын
And it was Meera yelling, Hold the door! So he probably had her voice in his head this whole time. A tragic love story. Really enjoy this side stories that add to the books and show.
@jbtechcon7434 6 жыл бұрын
I like your warger/wolf mashup names idea, like when celebs are dating. Rey Wind, Sady, Aymeria, Bummer, Raggydog, and Jost.
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
ooooh, i like those!! how about ghost being "Gon," pronounced "gone" ... too soon? or rather, too early?? :-P
@fgialcgorge7392 5 жыл бұрын
Bran warged Hodor when Hodor was a child, presumably Bran had those feelings still, so if he left that love within Hodor it could have been when Hodor was a child. That was an intense moment and there had to be all kinds of emotional bleeding from Bran and Hodor.
@carlosquintela3444 5 жыл бұрын
This is devastating, he indeed has one REAL reason for sacrifice himself... Love overtaking fear by just holding one door, but that door is not closed forever, it is partly on Brandom now ;)
@casedistorted 6 жыл бұрын
Very cool little tidbits I wouldn’t have known since I haven’t read all the books yet. Another great video! 😄
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Chris :))
@ryancarroll4565 6 жыл бұрын
What if bran gave him the loving thoughts when he warged him to hold the door, so he actually loved her since he was a kid but just had no idea who she was. Idk
@smokNmiras 6 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah! Cool theory! One thing though.. tecnicalllyyy.. bran has warged into hodor before we even meet him.. or he wouldn’t have been introduced as hodor.. to me I think he’s been brodor all along... not to say he isn’t in love with meera though. Maybe he (Willis) is the reason bran loves meera?
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
Great point!
@north.by.northeast 6 жыл бұрын
This is the problem with causal loops (bootstrap paradoxes) in stories. Well, not 'problem' exactly because they certainly can add something to a story or be a successful basis for a story when handled well but I'd much prefer that they stayed trapped in science fiction rather than popping up out of nowhere in fantasy. Makes for good theories and discussions though! :)
@smokNmiras 6 жыл бұрын
North by Northeast Yes, i must admit, I spin my wheels pretty hard on causal loops in stories. I love how GRRM has approached the time travel element of this story though. “The past is already written, the ink is dry” almost infers that time, in this world, is not a line, nor a loop but a lump!! Anything that happens in the future to affect the past has happened already therefore is happening right now. No forwards no backwards, the beginning and the end are the same, singular, point. It makes the plastic nature of time in this world a far more palatable concept.. to me anyway.. lol!
@north.by.northeast 6 жыл бұрын
Tom Hume It's more palatable than if it were like Back To The Future (although I love that film) - that would be awful in GoT. Bran can influence the past but the past can't be changed therefore his future is already written. He essentially has no free will. No wonder he's devoid of emotion, poor guy.
@CaitSithOfWutai 6 жыл бұрын
Did you watch the show DARK (Netflix)? What you said reminded me a lot of the concept of this show. If you haven't seen it already, I would recommend it to you. :)
@Loreweavver 5 жыл бұрын
Adds content to his sacrifice. He wasn't doing it because Bran made him or because of his loyalty to the Starks. He sacrificed himself for an unrequited love.
@bridge4 5 жыл бұрын
I actually think bran forced hodor to hold the door :*(
@sedevacante6591 6 жыл бұрын
Your editing skills while conveying a deep theory and the ability to translate it is artful. Well done Sir.
@movarie 6 жыл бұрын
the bran that loved meera worged hodor as a child so that probably where the love came from.
@taotaostrong 6 жыл бұрын
Definitely! Thanks for the laugh!
@patienceRachel 5 жыл бұрын
Hodo is such an adorable character 😂💞
@sillyhead5 Жыл бұрын
Dude you have this interesting ability to combine sincere, insightful analysis and insights with hilarious naming conventions and other small jokes that make all of your videos such a pleasure to watch. Just.. well done, man. Keep up the good work.
@bridge4 Жыл бұрын
i appreciate that. all credit to George though. he's the man! =))
@MaestroRigale 6 жыл бұрын
Exceeeeeeeept... what about the time travel warging? How would that piece of Bran that existed even before Bran did function inside Hodor from his youth.
@nathanchettle7930 5 жыл бұрын
Hodor was warged by Brandon of the future when he was a child, so maybe future Brans feelings of love were transferred into child hodor?? So it was brans love for mera all along?
@horrorhead199 6 жыл бұрын
I have one word to describe how absolutely AWESOME this video was...Hodor!
@lesliemisaacs 6 жыл бұрын
Thaaaaaaanks. You've just made me sad. Yet another reason why Hodor's sacrifice and death were so sad. I wondered a few days ago, after watching another video, if Hodor hadn't held the door more for Meera than Bran, or maybe equally for both. Now here's a mini-series I'd like to see: Hodor's POV throughout all the books.
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
for real. Hodor's POV would be VERY interesting =))
@HopeUnquenchable 5 жыл бұрын
Hodor's POV fan fiction: Hodor. Hodor hodor hodor hodor hodor. Hodor? Hodor hodor hodor hodor, hodor hodor. Hodor hodor, hodor hodor hodor: hodorhodorhodor, hooooodooorrr!
@yorkiestuff 6 жыл бұрын
Definitely not a “bummer” seeing your new videos in my feed 😂
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
=))
@bridge4 5 жыл бұрын
ive gotten a flood of comments about bummer being a bad word in britain. i know bummer the way you used it though lol like "they're skipping a week before the next episode!?!? bummmeeer"
@raygnor4429 6 жыл бұрын
Ironically it may have been his love for her that caused willis's transformation into hodor. Maybe it was his love for her that let her voice transfer through time and warging, and inevitably caused the hodor transformation. So basically he couldn't tell her that he loved her because he loved her, very tragic and lovely.
@bridge4 6 жыл бұрын
whoa. you just took it to an entirely new level. i dig it!!
@noricoco4695 3 жыл бұрын
I knew it was coming, but the door scene got me again - especially this time, thinking he wasn't just holding the door out of duty to bran, but out of his love for Meera too.
@ALLPANICNODISCO1999 2 жыл бұрын
I Came Out to Have a Good Time and I'm Honestly Feeling So EMOTIONALLY COMPROMISED.
@alisunchained 5 жыл бұрын
But, didn't Hodor get his signature affliction by Bran worging into him in the whole Hold the Door thing? Wasn't that in the past? So, if I'm following this theory, Hodor could have had a piece of future-Brandon Stark's infatuation with Meera. Right?
@alyssaw750 5 жыл бұрын
It's just very interesting how when all of the wargs are in the wolves, it seems like the wolf is very much the one in control. The human can influence, but if the human were to let things just play out, it is the wolf who is in control generally. I don't remember how that Sixskins is with his creatures though. But when Bran goes into Hodor, Hodor is so so scared that he immediately retreats relinquishing full control to Bran. I wonder if this is because of the personalities. Like Hodor being timid and meek whereas the wolves are commanding. I do honestly think that the love line was because maybe he had an adult background within him to put those feelings into those specific words. Also, maybe he wanted Meera to continue the story because Old Nan was his mom and was the storyteller
@smithyMcjoe 6 жыл бұрын
That ending scene made it bittersweet. Another cracking video theory dude!
@LisaMariavanHarmelen 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! Never thought of it that way!
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