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Bridle-ports - Their purpose and use

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Kroum Batchvarov - Underwater Ship Archaeologist

Kroum Batchvarov - Underwater Ship Archaeologist

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A square port cut in the bows on either side of the stem of wooden ships on main deck level through which mooring bridles were led. The same ports were used in sailing warships for guns, moved up from the gunport next abaft, when the ship was required to fire as nearly ahead as possible, as when chasing an enemy vessel. When used at sea for this purpose they were sometimes known as main deck chase-ports instead of bridle-ports....
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@mikaelyalov571
@mikaelyalov571 4 ай бұрын
Evolution of the hull design and lines would be an extremely interesting topic, hopefully even a series of videos!
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for the comment! Let's see what I can do about it!
@lucianion3153
@lucianion3153 4 ай бұрын
the use of metal chains on wooden ships is another fascinating topic. Cheers! great channel!
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 3 ай бұрын
Glad you think so! I will think about this topic...
@OlhaBatchvarov
@OlhaBatchvarov 4 ай бұрын
As always - the answer to my question at the end of the lecture. It is very short and fast, that after listening to this moment, I already forgot that it was my question))))
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 4 ай бұрын
A lecture is good for you: broadens your mind.
@DARIVSARCHITECTVS
@DARIVSARCHITECTVS 4 ай бұрын
We ship modelers love your videos, Kroum. You are a font of knowledge!
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 4 ай бұрын
Thank you very much! Happy to hear that!
@Calatriste54
@Calatriste54 Ай бұрын
Absolutely.
@muddlersworkshop
@muddlersworkshop 4 ай бұрын
I would be very interested in a short series on what all the terminology is for Saling vessels as I build wooden models but am not totally familiar with all the terminology.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for this idea! I’ll see what I can come up with. There are of course a few good books out there on this.
@tedr.
@tedr. 4 ай бұрын
Another interesting episode! I am interested in knowing the materials used in manufacture of ships armaments during the 16th and 17th century. Any suggestions to reference material would be appreciated!! Or perhaps an episode on the subject?
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 3 ай бұрын
There are a few books on armaments in this period. From Parker and Carlo Beltrame’s book on guns in the Venetian Arsenal to Caruana’s publications on English artillery. I am sure there Spanish and French sources, too, though I can’t think of specifics at the moment. Colin Martin also wrote about artillery in his Armada shipwrecks books. The short answer is: bronze, cast iron and wrought iron.
@kalvinchester4068
@kalvinchester4068 4 ай бұрын
I simply have one question about older ships. How would galleys and larger caravels work their Lateen sails when tacking? Been looking at historical depictions of both, and I'm aware of how Lateens could be worked when tacking. Either having the yard inside the shrouds, and hoisted vertical behind the mast to bring to the other side, or having the yard on the outside of the yards and raised vertical on the front of the mast to bring it to the side. but I have seen a lot of things with medieval depictions of both. Usually caravels that have sails on the outside of the shrouds, but has central stays that would not allow the yard to go to the other side from the front. Or galleys that have yards on the inside of the shrouds when furled, but outside the shrouds when sails are set.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! Right. Pure lateen rigged vessels have a “quick-release” for the shrouds. The shrouds to leeward are released in order not to interfere with the sail, which is, of course, to leeward of the mast. The short mast is sturdy enough that in the process of tacking can be left unsupported, as the crew is simultaneously shifting the yard, setting up the ex-leeward, about to become windward shrouds and releasing the ex-windward-about-to-become-leeward shrouds. That’s why lateeners have larger crews. On the Kitten ship, which was about 24-5 m long and likely had full displacement of about 150 tons, we found a total of 18 spoons - the likely number of people aboard, likely 15-16 of whom were crew.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 4 ай бұрын
The yard can be handled behind the mast too.
@Calatriste54
@Calatriste54 Ай бұрын
I sure would like to hear sometime about gunnery on a "Bomb Ketch".. massive mortars, of the 18 Century. Siege guns, firing through and around rigging and spars..
@akellasgarage7467
@akellasgarage7467 4 ай бұрын
Thank you, as always the topic of video was extremely interesting!
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 4 ай бұрын
My pleasure!
@johnbarger4767
@johnbarger4767 4 ай бұрын
Dr. A pleasure as always. An interesting topic for those of us without your deep experience would be the origin/meaning of various common ship terms. For example, why are inner bulkhead planks called ‘ceiling’ planks? We see these terms all the time in modeling instructions but seldom find any explanations.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 4 ай бұрын
Kathryn Thier is actually the right person to ask about the origin of the terms. She works for the Oxford Dictionary of the English Language. Ceiling planks are not on the bulkheads: they are the inside planking of the ships. In other words, they parallel the exterior planking on the inside of the frames.
@bengilbert5610
@bengilbert5610 4 ай бұрын
Not related to this video, but maybe a subject for a future one. How did the builders of shell first construction ships/boats (e.g. Viking, Dutch) determine the shape of each plank? I’m basically familiar with the concept of spilling used in plank-on-frame/mold construction where reference marks are scribed on a spilling batten laid on the frame/mold. But if there is no frame or mold, how is the curvature of each new plank determined in order to match the adjacent plank?
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 3 ай бұрын
This is an excellent question! For the ancient shell-built ships, we have no evidence at all. The late Mr. Steffy the Master ship-reconstructor, told me that he is certain the ancient shipwrights used moulds of some kind but they must not have left recognizable traces in the archaeological record. He told me then that he is working on a study of this specific question. Most unfortunately he passed away before completing it.
@genojoe3176
@genojoe3176 4 ай бұрын
Dr. this is a perfect representation and description of the bridle ports, something I had not put any thought into, until now...But I can recall reading that in a "ship of the line" it took 300 men and over 5.5 hours to complete raising the anchor. That is an insane amount of time! Yet I can also recall the USS Constitution using some sort of a dragging of the anchor as they used the landing ships to maneuverer and turn such a massive ship using pure man power. Do you recall reading of this? Perhaps it can be a future video.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 4 ай бұрын
Yes, I know the story. She kedged herself away from the half-heartedly pursuing British ships. However, she was using her kedge anchor for this; not the bowers. The 5.5 hrs must include the entire process of getting ready for sea; not the raising of the anchor specifically. The raising itself would have depended on the weather, wind and tide conditions, the condition of the crew and their training.
@genojoe3176
@genojoe3176 4 ай бұрын
@@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist Thank you, sir!
@CAPNMAC82
@CAPNMAC82 3 ай бұрын
You bring up a point that models never seem to appreciate (nor modelers so much, either). That the guns and trucks have considerable weight. 16 pounder might weigh as much as a SMART+2 per each. The 24ers on _Constitution_ are about the same as a Ford Fiesta, each. Hence the crew sizes needed to manhandle the things about. And also why leaving 4, or 6, ashore before making a transoceanic cruise means being able to have that much more stores in food and water aboard.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 3 ай бұрын
You are spot on! Though, I am Far better acquainted with the weight of a 24-pounder than Ford Fiesta, I must admit :-)
@Pocketfarmer1
@Pocketfarmer1 4 ай бұрын
Watching your “sister channel”,as one does, the thought occurred to me about the manufacture of massive amounts of paint. How was it done and from where did the supplies come. In the world of art restoration these things are well known but what about at an industrial or rather preindustrial scale?
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 4 ай бұрын
The palette used throughout most of the 17-18th c ships was much more limited than in contemporary art, in fact. Large quantities of blue, so beloved of kit manufacturers, would have been rather rare prior to the mid-18th c when a man-made, chemical, blue was created. I keep on seeing Vasa models with blue topsides, despite the fact that we know for a fact she was with red topsides (remnants of the paint survive). Fairly few, reasonably cheap, colors were used. There was an article on this subject in the Mariners Mirror in the past.
@hein_von_der_werft
@hein_von_der_werft 4 ай бұрын
Hello Mr. Batchvarov, thank you again for an interesting video. I have two questions. One a bit humorous and one as a modeller. Did you really read all the books in your massive collection? 😉 and as you have asked for some questions to be discused in further videos, i have one about the Lateen-Rig. How is this rig working, especially how was the yard handled? What was the right position of the yard, under the shrouds or above. On so many models this is allways different.? as allways thank you for sharing the view of an archeologist and Greetings from Germany!
@TheHerring7
@TheHerring7 4 ай бұрын
I would also be interested in this one. I have raised this question in the past on various forums and people of varying expertise, and always got answers that do not seem to agree with contemporary sources. Specifically it is always categorically stated that lateen yards would always have been brought around to the lee side. However, in paintings I'm under the impression that you typically see one yard on each side of the mast. Pretty sure the yards are usually below the shrouds though. Grateful for clarification on galley yard handling!
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and commenting! Reading: most, but not quite all. Alas work gets in the way of pleasure. I have recently obtained three new books which I haven’t yet read! Lateens. There are a couple of writings on lateen rigs out there, alas in French. They date to the 19th c and are addressing mostly the African coast, Tunisia. I used them in my dissertation and in the article I published on the proposed rigging of the Kitten ship. There two ways that the rig can be handled: the yard can be brought about
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 4 ай бұрын
The yard can be brought about the mast on the aft side. This requires bringing the yard to tue vertical and man-handling it around it. This is practicable if the mast is near vertical. If it rakes heavily towards the bow, then likely enough the yard was shifted forward of the mast. In both cases it requires quick-release system for the shrouds and a fairly sturdy mast that can stand unsupported for the duration of the maneuver. This whole operation would have been practical only on long boards. If much tacking was required, it is more likely that the yard was left in place and the skipper accepted that on one tack the sail will be more efficient than on the other.
@TheHerring7
@TheHerring7 4 ай бұрын
​@@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist Thank you! "If much tacking was required, it is more likely that the yard was left in place and the skipper accepted that on one tack the sail will be more efficient than on the other." -That explains the illustrations showing one yard on each side while out to sea. -More equal performance on both tacks. 🙂 Would you have any examples of the French writings please? (I am no expert in French but can manage reading it somewhat, having studied it years ago.)
@GRANDMASTER3D
@GRANDMASTER3D 4 ай бұрын
First time listening. Good content! You need a new microphone though! It sounds muddy. I have bad ears so mostly my fault. You get my sub though.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 4 ай бұрын
Welcome aboard!
@andrewjones1649
@andrewjones1649 4 ай бұрын
Thank you Doctor. You've become part of my Sunday. You mentioned today the development of forward facing guns. It would be great to hear your views on the general fevelopment of warships from the big carracks like Mary Rose and Henry Grace à Dieu to the much sleeker 'race built' ships of fifty years later which engaged the Armada of 1588.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 4 ай бұрын
I am honoured, Sir! Thank you for watching! This is an interesting topic indeed. Thank you for the idea!
@cajunrandy2143
@cajunrandy2143 4 ай бұрын
👍👍👍👍👍
@tommasobalconi
@tommasobalconi 4 ай бұрын
But given that ships were rated based on the number of guns they were pierced for, and not the number they actually carried, did the bridle ports count in that regard? I appreciate two additional ports are not going to make a world of difference in the rating of a ship, but it might in some niche cases. And related to that, would ports not actually covered - bulwark openings for deck guns - count as ports in the rating system or just the hull ones? Thank you, always appreciate the videos!
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 4 ай бұрын
Well, not exactly so. The rating system in the British Royal Navy emerged as “rare of pay” and had little to do with the number of guns. In the second half of the 17tj century fourth rates could carry more guns than third rates (though usually lighter ones). Also for most of the period the rating had a range of guns. It is only the addition of the carronades after 1779 that made the rating nominal and not fully matching the actual number of guns aboard. The rating establishment took into account only the broadside guns.
@CAPNMAC82
@CAPNMAC82 3 ай бұрын
Given the manhours of labor, and, therefore, expense, of the anchor rodes, and given the need/desire to handle them with travelers and the like, the "rigging" to the hawse pipes is something that "wants" to be left alone unless a significant need exists. Whereas rigging a bridle, for whatever reason is going to be more _ad hoc_, and line chafe can be coped with to need. Bridle ports are going to be better sited for making up the bitter end of the bridle using the foremast, or such unencumbered bitts or knightshead present themselves. Additionally, given that a bridle is unlike to need input from capstan now windlass, the existing messenger for those remains available should such a need occur. Boatswains' Mates the world over, and through history are noted for having "practicality" as a watchword in their practice.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 3 ай бұрын
Yes indeed
@davidlund5003
@davidlund5003 4 ай бұрын
Can't wait
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 4 ай бұрын
Thank you very much indeed!
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