Archival DRAWINGS - what can you expect from them?

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Kroum Batchvarov - Underwater Ship Archaeologist

3 ай бұрын

This video is for those who want to improve their models and are ready to do some research but don't know where to start! I will talk about possible resources of information and how to find them!
Sea Watch Books:
⚓️The Fully Framed Model, HMN Swan Class Sloops 1767 - 1780 Volume I - Revised by David Antscherl:
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⚓️The Fully Framed Model, HMN Swan Class Sloops 1767 - 1780 Volume II - Revised by David Antscherl:
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⚓️The Fully Framed Model, HMN Swan Class Sloops 1767 - 1780 Volume III by Greg Herbert:
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⚓️The Fully Framed Model, HMN Swan Class Sloops 1767 - 1780 Volume IV - Revised and Expanded by David Antscherl:
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⚓️Swan Plans - Supplement to The Fully Framed Ship Model by David Antscherl and Greg Herbert:
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Archival DRAWINGS - Royal Museum Greenwich
⚓️Lines & inboard profile, decoration of 'Fly' (1776):
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⚓️Lines plan for 'Fly' (1776)
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⚓️Quarter and Upper deck plan of HMS 'Fly' (1776):
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⚓️Lower & Platform Decks of the 'Fly' (1776):
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⚓️A frame plan:
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🎞The National Archives - United Kingdom:
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🎞Shipmodeler's library:
• LIBRARY for ship modelers
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Пікірлер: 34

@utubefroggy 3 ай бұрын

As usual, a most interesting subject brilliantly delivered, thank you

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 2 ай бұрын

My pleasure! Glad you enjoyed it

@tedr. 3 ай бұрын

Another brilliant talk. Thank you and thank goodness Olha encourages you!!

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 2 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!

@jamesjackson-lf2lw 2 ай бұрын

Excellent presentation. Thank you!

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 2 ай бұрын

You're very welcome!

@JayJSMN-tz1nv 3 ай бұрын

Wonderful presentation!! Thank for the links to specific plans!!👍👍

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching!

@akellasgarage7467 3 ай бұрын

Very interesting as always, thank you Sir!

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 2 ай бұрын

Very welcome

@davidlund5003 3 ай бұрын

As always , thank you.

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching!

@andreastimper9848 3 ай бұрын

Well there are actually quite many deck plans in the British archives. For captured ships you often even have them "as captured" and "as fitted". Thee you can see what the British changed before they used them for themselves. Quite interesting.

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 2 ай бұрын

This is correct. Quite a few. But as you said- mostly of captured vessels and mostly of later date.

@olivershistoricshipyard4124 2 ай бұрын

Interesting video. I agree, there is no lifetime in my body to waste it with a kit. I reconstruct the Redoutable with plans of her sisterships (Le Tigre and L´Amerique) from the NMM. Without the english drawings of the captured ships there is no chance to reconstruct a Temeraire-class from the 1790s. Its good to compare as well other ship-classes from the same shipyard and the same epoch to get a clear view about the techniques that they used exactly in the shipyard of the project. The Temeraire class for example was build in a lot of shipyards, but every place had specific differences. The qualitiy from the english plans are very good, i pay respect to the technical draftsman from my Le Tigre Plan.

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 2 ай бұрын

I follow your instagram account of the Redoutable building and admire your work! It is beautiful. You are right: there will always be some variation from the official draught. This is partially because the draught usually leaves a certain leeway. Many years ago Peter Goodwin took me to the hold of Victory to show me the difference between the framing on the plans and the actual on the ship. He believed that he can account for every piece of timber out in her since launching up to 2000 (when we met) and it has always been replacement without change. Therefore, he believed that the framing is now as it was at launching, but doesn’t match the drawings.

@cajunrandy2143 3 ай бұрын

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

@Calatriste54 Күн бұрын

I recollect being enamored by fanciful paintings of HMS Resolution, listing over in a heavy squall. The ship did exist. Sources told me drawings were not available, anywhere. Has anything been uncovered as to historically accurate plans for this vessel? I think it's date was early 1600's. (See "Resolution in a Gale" by Willhelm van de Velde, the younger)

@fredericrike5974 3 ай бұрын

Kroum, the castle and cathedral builders changed the very places they built with their doings. Did these early ship yards effect their local communities as those did? Are any big port we know today part of that process? I know for instance the Avondale Yards in New Orleans, where I grew up was a big time employer for all the years till it shut down in the late sixties. Did any/many wooden ship builders survive as metal ship builders? Up your alley- did any in the Kievan Rus period build ships on the coast of the Black sea? When I saw this I in the teeny tiney thumbnail, I thought it was going to be a through going dissertation on the (many) sins of the original modeler of Boreas- a stripped hull is where we last saw Boreas as Olha has produced her so far.

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 2 ай бұрын

I began an answer and it seems to have disappeared. I wonder if I was censored for warm feeling towards the Muscovians, openly expressed. First, I am not Ukrainian; I am Bulgarian by birth but have lived in the USA (legally!!!) for 34 years now. Yup: still can’t get rid of the accent. Far worse than in German when I still used to speak the language fluently. Even in orcish my accent was less bad than in English… To the point: as the Kiev Principality (which has nothing to do with the modern muscovian state known as Russia) was founded by people from Eastern Sweden - from where the Slav-bastardized word Russ- it is a region in Sweden, it is only to be expected that they continued to build ships. I do not know of specific locale for this, but i will check with a brilliant colleague there. It is known that they did raid in the best Viking traditions all the way to Constantinople until the Byzantine navy defeated them and threw them back. Ergo, they must have been building ships. On an island in the Danube river mouth there are remnants of ship moorings and docks dating to the First Bulgar Empire; there are stone inscriptions left from khanasubyi Omurtag that speak of naval operations up the rivers towards and against the Frankish Empire. Ergo they had and built ships. After the ruzzian terrorists blew up the Kakhovka Dam, numerous vessels emerged along the Dniepro course. Many appear to be from the Medieval period and some according to my friend and colleague, appear to have Bulgar runes. And, no doubt, others would be Scandinavian runes. In other words, yes- shipbuilding was present in the region from at least early medieval times. We have numerous accounts from travellers from the Ottoman period who speak of the numerous small shipyards along the coast of what is today again Bulgaria: Anchialo, Messembria, Sozopol, Varna etc. they speak of good shipbuilding timber growing down to the beaches.

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 2 ай бұрын

What a reputation I have developed for only criticizing :-). I have already done this for this specific model, though I did not mention that the builder had managed to flip the Royal Arms on the stern and switched the places of the Lion and the Unicorn. The sad thing is that these “critiques” get the most views :-)

@davidrasch3082 3 ай бұрын

Seawatch is out of stock on David Antscherl' first two volumes on Swann Class books.

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 2 ай бұрын

Try searching for used books on Amazon or eBay...

@CAPNMAC82 2 ай бұрын

Ah, so that is why I have a natural rapport with you, being an Aggie grad myself. (And like as not knowing many of the same folks in NA, too.) To quote a friend's online 'signature': "Modeling is an excuse to buy more books. The kit makers provide the least information and make the largest of claims about their kits, so, the person who wants a model to be scale replica must needs develop research skills to achieve that end.

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 2 ай бұрын

Gig-em, Aggies! Absolutely! Happiest years in my life or second happiest after the two years in the hold and decks of Vasa :-). I like your friend’s saying! In my case I hide the book-buying addiction under “research”. It seems to work so far.

@genojoe3176 2 ай бұрын

Worm versus rat....hmm...

@jtsmith9645 2 ай бұрын

Can you provide links to the other archives please?

@Pocketfarmer1 3 ай бұрын

So which fictional series do you find the most nearly accurate, Hornblower, Ramage or Aubrey-Maturin? Some day drinks on an Edwardian, but for now a beer on an old rowboat will have to do.

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 2 ай бұрын

Aubrey-Maturin by far. Hornblower is technically accurate, but not the same level of literature. Damage is very entertaining though the level of a teenager perhaps. I have caught O’Brian in inconsistencies but off the top of my head I recall only one outright mistake: calling Rindle a Baltimore clipper. The term had not yet been coined at the time.

@Pocketfarmer1 2 ай бұрын

@@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist You caught me . I did read Ramage as a teen.

@jtsmith9645 2 ай бұрын

at the end you mentioned you have to "Fair the lines yourself". What is this? you said you learned at Texas A&M to do this, How? Can you talk on this subject, maybe show what you mean? Gig Em Aggies!!!!

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 2 ай бұрын

I will make a video about this, then. Both traditional whole-moulding and modern line drawing if there is interest.

@CAPNMAC82 2 ай бұрын

Ah, the transitional time from sail to steam and wood to metal has much in the way of "undiscovered territory." But, the brevity of the historical period, and the political upheavals among the combatants means that finding first-person info is very lean on the ground. The Royal Navy's line of "turret cruisers" with their hybrid hulls would make unique models, but finding more than poorly-focused photos is sore difficult. Which leaves a person in the chicken-egg-chicken situation, of "under-represented area" and "limited historical data" enforcing "under represented area." This is as bad as the topic of US Navy river steamers of the ACW. Often, only the names remain as they were never built to plan, nor were the lines ever recorded. Another similar void exists around the 'concrete fleet' built for 1917 expediency, and still litters the bottom around Nantucket where many were simply scuttled. They are rather mundane merchant ships, but had a unique place in American maritime history.

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 2 ай бұрын

I have to say that this period has never been a great research interest of mine, so I am not a good source of information. I lose interest somewhere towards 1815. Which is not stopping me from excavating an 1830s wreck right now…