Yeah I heard that too, he would find guitar teachers in every place they toured!

Yeah that's true, but also the lights on the Marshalls are off, so the amps are not on! 😅

Wings of Pegasus I think there is an amp back stage mic up and those are just for show because at one part you can see the wire from his pedal board go behind the amp and back stage.

@@wingsofpegasus its live,,watch the whole show ,,he screws up on a couple spots and smiles at Rudy as it happens

That is true the stacks are for show randy used a smaller amp that gave him his sound watch some videos with Rudy sarzo he is very open on what they did

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Ozzy can sing? I believe you have him confused with DIO. Lol!!

Thomas Whitmore I believe you have no taste.

He likes Dio Automatic taste acquired

@MrBiteme39 Yes. Dio can (or could) sing in perfect tune live (with rare exception). There are examples of this all over KZfaq. The man is a legend for a reason. His voice gives me goosebumps. He gave his all with every show. He loved his fans.

Me as well, with the Classic lineup of Motorhead opening. What a gig!

+MsBRooKS mSbrOOks - You are so fortunate to have seen Randy. I'm SO jealous

You were one of the lucky ones!

Tyler Matty your a believer lol

Yeah that's what I thought, but it doesn't explain the later missed bend and single note vibrato. I don't know what's going on!

As a guitar player and video editor/audio syncer it is my opinion that what you point out here is definitely not a live track or else it's partially live with overdubs.. Is this the original broadcast raw footage? or something altered later on? My guess is the latter.. Randy was magical but not literally.

Doesn't look like he's doing anything wrong to me. I think the issue is the blurriness of the video due to its age and having been shot on cheap studio cameras (it was a small station-Blizzard wasn't that popular yet).

@AVISIONVIDEO Yep (my guess is it's mostly live with a few overdubs) . Most of my VHS/DVD concert videos are mostly live, but I've noticed quite a bit of dubbing (especially apparent on lead guitar and vocals), all the way back to the earliest shows, and all the way up to current shows. I suppose they simply want it to sound great, so they "patch" a few spots. I actually don't mind the odd fix here and there. But when entire sections are re-done to the point where nothing matches up between what you're seeing and what you're hearing, they've gone too far. This one was actually not too bad. Again, if you look closely to any concert DVD, you'll almost always pick up at least a few of these fixed spots. I've come to accept it, but only to a point. If it gets too blatant to the point where it's actually distracting me, I get very annoyed. If they're doing THAT much re-recording, then I'd far prefer the original show, completely un-fixed and genuine, warts and all. Some of my favorite shows had glaring errors, and I still love them because they are REAL, and have a life and energy that comes across in spite of the goofs. Sometimes, those goofs can add tons of charm.

Thanks Daniel! Yeah it seems like it was a live vocal, pre recorded backing!

TBoys Rocknroll exactly what I thought too regarding the vibrato, just because Randy held down the power chord 'shape' doesn't mean he played the whole chord, his hand position just naturally fell into that D minor box, I do it all the time. Also regarding the note it wasn't a particularly wide bend as the uploader stated.

Huge brainfart Yeah..glad someone else realizes this..it's kind of hard to explain to people when they start to overanalyze things..and I know because I've done it myself...but in most cases the simplest answer is usually the correct one...now excuse me while I get back to figuring out the opening chord to "A Hard Days Night"..HAHAHAHA!!

TBoys Rocknroll cool, great minds and all that! I remember getting caught up trying to work out 'exactly' how Eric Bell played the main phrase in 'Whisky In The Jar'. I know how to play it in my own way but it baffled me when I watch him play it as it's a series of hammers and complete position shift of hand that didn't seem to fit with the visuals, maybe Fil could analyse that? By the way Hard Day's Night chord is Dm7 add 11, it's not possible to play the whole voicing in that key as it was done in studio with piano overdub too. When they play it live Lennon does an F add 9 shape and Macca plays a D root on the bass.

Yeah the keyboard harmonizing is cool, the vibrato is a wide vibrato which requires a lot of manipulation so the hand couldn't be stationary in a fixed shape. Sometimes you can vibrato the whole chord, but again you'd always see it happening. From the other comments, one guys did a lot of research (!) and it seems like the backing was pre-recorded but Ozzy's vocal was live. But this video is certainly a unique one!

TBoys Rocknroll you're 100% spot on, I would say.

Urgh I hate it when that happens! My computer changes the spelling, I thought I'd defeated the auto correct but obviously not! Thanks for the heads up!

Very good analysis. It's a great channel. Randy lives forever...

Yeah thats right, the end part still doesngvmake sense with the missed vibrato and bend 😅

Yeah he was awesome!

Awesome! Amen.

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Yeah in the harmony parts, but it still doesn't explain the missed vibrato and bend at the end! 😅

Yep.

@@wingsofpegasus and the right guy, chops...remember quite riot.. What an evolution.. In the right timeframe... Right skills.. Right choice... Right time...

Yeah it seems from the comments the vocal is live, the track is pre recorded.

Yeah he was. Looking at the Marshalls there's no red light on the power button so it looks like the amps are off too 😅

Funnily enough I can remember a "live" performance Ozzy did with Zakk on American TV possibly Jimmy Kimmel and they mimed to a previously recorded live track which someone worked out as being from the live Budoken dvd. This is bugging me now, I'll have to find it.

I've done an updated video in the description!

It looks like the Marshall amps are off too in the background. This video is crazy! 😅

wingsofpegasus He had one stack off on a lot of of the blizzard shows, they were much smaller venues. In a lot of the pics you can see one stack off and one on. Have not paid attention to that aspect of things on the after hours stuff. I’ll have to watch the full set this weekend and see. By memory I think the white one is on. Not sure though

No problem! Yeah it seems like it was pre recorded but Ozzys vocals were live.

Yeah this is likely!

Thanks METAL M8 from across the LAKE! /w\SlayeriZer/w\ Just found this 2 randy vids today, nice replies and clicking sub to check it out more! {;o)

Yeah this has me confused!

Cool!

Andi Jones - had a wee bit of a search for the outlay of the recording of this track and yes you're right, it was a pre-recorded audio fed from a control room and the only real 'live' performance was from Ozzy. peace man

Wow thanks Stew! But the end drum finish is very very well mimed if that is the case!

Yeah I think it could have been something like that.

Stew Marshall - That's ironic as these days it's ONLY Ozzy's voice that is dubbed over and the band plays live LOL :D

Yeah a good explanation! Someone said they did 3 takes of this track on the night, so it could be edited from those 3 takes, spliced together as the sound would be exactly the same from the 3. So there could be tiny discrepancies in there!

On one of the Randy forums that I am on there was a guy that did the actual camera work ( there was 2 guys doing camera work) he said there was only 2 takes.

Yeah it's true!

His estate is very controlling.

There is money to be made if they were to put out a quality video of RR. Live ..sadly i don't think a great one exists.

There's a black and white pro shot being held back and a 2 angle front row fan cam being held back... who knows why.. they've been offered to Sharon

Yeah true, but since uploading I've noticed the Marshall amps in the background are switched off!

wingsofpegasus as with many bands, like Van Halen, he may have had a smaller amp, or a single non Marshall am miced behind them. This was common practice if an individual was given things by a sponsor and then found a sound from another product, such as a processor, being controlled off stage by their tech. Eddie in the mid eighties would have this huge wall of Marshall cabinets behind him but none were on. I used to work an arena that they played here and was backstage when I saw he was only using a few Marshall heads and a huge rack of multi processors. The big wall of Marshall amps is for show and sell.

Amen.

Yeah its possible!

Thanks Joe!

Yeah it's just the fact it's clearly quite a wide vibrato so we so should see his hand and string moving quite a bit, but it stays solid!

It's a tough one! The amps look turned off too, one guy who did a lot of research said the track was recorded three times on the night and they played back a different take this time so had to mime, but Ozzys vocals were live. But who knows!

Yeah l don't really see or hear any mystery in this video. Other then probably the whole thing being slightly out of sync... and very out of sync in the close up part (when he does those trills up the neck). That's just careless video editing. I'm guessing the band saw this video before it was released. I can see Rhoads telling the editor "WTF?That close up is way out of sync man!" and the vid editors' reply, "Hey it's close enough pal! Go do your job and let me do mine!" (that's how people were in the 80s')

Yeah that bits ok, I've noticed the amps in the background are switched off too!

Cool job on your vids BTW.. I think thats just because the lights are burnt out because of very heavy use.. Or the amps are just for show.. George Lynch always had Marshalls on stage.. But he was using a Randall combo amp that was on a chair behind the stacks.. Rudy Saro said that Randy always play very loud so he could have a light touch.. I got this on VHS over 10 yrs ago and have watched it over 300 times!.. I notice the things you pointed out the 1st time I saw it 10 yrs ago.. Randy makes a small mistake between 56-57 seconds.. So thats live.. The part where you said he did a vibrato but he went into a chord shape.. I think he did go into the chord shape but only hit the one note with his 3rd finger..Because his whole hand was in that position already...

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Yeah it's a little off to my eyes, the amps are turned off too!

Yeah those classical roots definitely come out in his playing.

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It looks like the amps are off, no power light!?

Yeah that was cool!

Also, my favorite Ozzy tune with Randy is "Tonight" off of Diary. The two solos just give me the chills. The final solo ends the song and is slowly faded away. It goes on forever. Whenever I hear that tune I always crank my volume knob to 11 at the end of the jam to hear Randy just fucking rock. Check it out if you aren't familiar with it. It's incredible.

Myles Woods no goofy no magic

Thanks Myles! Someone has done some research and told me it was actually a pre-recorded take with the only live element being Ozzys vocals. But then I still don't get how they ended it like that so accurately if it was mimed!

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Lantz Keefer I saw that tour too! September 2nd, 1981 in Springfield, IL. I was a fan of both bands and was not happy the crowd kept chanting, “Ozzy! Ozzy! Ozzy!” through Def Leppard’s set. I got to say Hi to Ozzy before the show. It was pretty amazing. I guess I would have been about 15 years old. 🤘🏼

Yeah I think everyone had similar experiences, such a great player taken away so early. It was a tragic loss to music.

Cool!

Its been solved! Link is in the description!

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Yep!

No problem!

It looks like the Marshalls are turned off too, just to throw a spanner in the works!

Yeah he was an amazing player taken way too soon.

Randy was going to leave after the " Diary" tour to get his music PhD.

It seems Ozzys vocal was live, but the track wasn't. At least that's the common opinion so far. With the guitar, the notes just don't add up unfortunately! Hearing a bend and there is no visible bend is really confusing!

wingsofpegasus true

Thanks! I wish I had the time! 😅

Wings of Pegasus Haha, me too! Cheers!

It's certainly a video that is dividing opinion, I'm glad everyone is as confused as me! 😅

It seems that the only live part was Ozzy and the rest was pre recorded. The keys part is fine, but doesn't explain the missed vibrato and bend at the end! 😅

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That's what he told me when I bumped into him in 1981. I actually wrote about it in my blog earlier today, so I'll copy/paste here so you can see it. I met Randy Rhoads when I was 16. I was taking drum lessons at a music school and wanted to skip the next week because I had Ozzy tickets. My teacher encouraged me to commit, and I did, even though I wanted to just go see the show that day. I go to my lesson, then run to the bathroom to change so I can head out. I see a petite figure with blond hair standing at the sink, so I thought I'd gone to the wrong bathroom. But as I was exiting, I saw him. "Hey! You're Randy Fucking Rhoads!" I let him know that I would be at his performance that night, and asked him what he was doing at this facility that offers music lessons. He said, "I took a guitar lesson." Being overly excited, I misheard him. "You're teaching guitar lessons? I'd take a guitar lesson from you." He corrected me and said, "No, I'm taking a guitar lesson." This was his cue for me to say one of the most stupid things that I have ever uttered. "Why do YOU need guitar lessons? You're Randy Rhoads!" At this point, he could have become a total jerk. I was a 16-year-old fan, and probably wasn't making the most sense. Instead, he explained to me how he would look at the tour schedule and then call ahead to a music store or school to set up a lesson before a show. "It's a great way to warm up before a performance, and you can always learn something from someone else." This is how he became THE Randy Rhoads. I'm almost 54, and to this day, I will take a lesson at any opportunity I can find. I'll never know it all, or even know too much. That is how he inspired me.

Yeah it's a tough one to call! So many comments saying it's live, then others saying it was one of 3 takes then they chose one and mine to it, with just the vocals being live. Then I've noticed the amps seem to be turned off!

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Yeah!

Yeah it's a tough one, it looks like the amps are off too as there's no red light 😅

Looking at the original link you added, it looks like the bass amp light is lit and it kind of looks like Randy's left side amp is lit (i think i see a light on it) but not the right side. The bottom left cab is the only one miked up so maybe he's only using the left amp and bottom left cab but has the others for show?

This is from the same session by the looks of things. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fpOAhMiIr5i-c2w.html

Yeah it was either over dubs or pre recorded, that seems to be the opinion so far!

wingsofpegasus I would think given that so much of it looks natural (tuning and such) that pre-recorded would be unlikely to sync to. I have written Bob Daisley to ask. He was (as you may know) overdubed out on a remaster by Sharon Osborne to screw him out if royalties. This didn't go down well with fans and subsequent releases were not adulterated. One other request, it might be interesting to one time feature a technique as opposed to a performer. My vote would be 'pinch harmonics'. Tricky to pull off well but masters (Billy Gibbons) make look easy. Hell is an afterlife filled with Nick Jonas attempting pinch harmonics, at least that's what they told me in Sunday school.🤣 Oh the horror.

Wow awesome!

Yeah Vittos on my list!

Yeah an awesome rhythm section here!

It looks like the Marshall's are off in the background too!

@@wingsofpegasus randy used a different amp the marshals were for looks Rudy says so in an interview he has the amp randy used

Yep!

Yeah that could be it!

Yeah this one still gets me, when there is a bend and Randy doesn't bend, then there is vibrato and he doesn't vibrato! It's like an unsolvable mystery!

And it looks like the amps are switched off!

So they probably did what many groups, including the Beatles, would do during studio LIVE performances. Some of the backing tracks were pre-recorded though part of it, like the singing and drums, was LIVE. If Randy was guitar lip-syncing, he did a fairly decent job. I'd seen this clip before but had never noticed the things you pointed out. Thanks for the grounding in reality. I am now wiser than I was before.

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Yeah it's certainly possible!

Mister Tee Malmsteen goes overboard with his

The amps being turned off is another interesting twist!

@@wingsofpegasus they often used prop amps on stage for things like this but if you notice his instrument cable is leading offstage to his rig.

Amen. Yeah with this the rabbit hole goes deeper as it looks like the Marshalls are turned off!

Another twist is the amps appear to be switched off! 😅

Veteran Don Airey on Keys there!

Yeah thanks for reminding me! 😅

Looking out for ya! Like us metal dudes are expected to be some kind of a freeking Search Engine Optimist internet algorithm experts, am I right? I been picking up on it little by little and don't do anywhere close what it takes myself.

It's even weirder that it looks like the amps are turned off!

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Yeah it's awful, he was so young.

+brad zybola You must have less than half a brain, eh?

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Like what? Do hard drugs, eat Doritos chips, and reply unnecessary things that you think are "Jokes" to strangers on the internet? What's your reply now?

I see the sarcasm. But I get the joke now. No need to apologize mate.

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It seems the amps are off too!

Yeah that's ok, but doesn't explain the missed vibrato and bend at the end 😅

Yeah that's true, he had some great line ups!

This question, while a salient one, is kind of like asking; why is Kieth Richards still alive? Mysteries abound.

Yeah Randy could definitely play it. But they forgot to turn the Marshall amps on for this, the red lights are not on!

Yeah I think he might be using his 3rd finger for the vibrato.

Haha yeah I should have said for the vhs! 😂

Yeah I agree! Looking at the Marshalls there's no red light on the power button so it looks like the amps are off! 😅

now that's skill!

Thanks!

Yeah Rudy Sarzo has told me it was live ☺

Yeah there's a whole lot of solo in this track, which if it's Randy is always a good thing!

Yes, there was and yes, Live Randy!!! dang, he was great. Just noticed on a re view today he actually had a complete pedal board there, nearly off camera. Silly me :) Probably had the MXR and more there. also it was said Schenker 'dubbed solo's for Strangers....i think its time to let this one go,

Yeah that part is ok!