Or show it as 'the lesser of 2 evils' as the only way to survive and assault from another species or something.

Using the mondasian cybermen design would be nice too, they work do well cause they're so creepy. Possibly have a survivor cyberman that slowly upgrades a small village because of their worry of the plague. Have him like the lone cyberman, some of his emotions are still there and hes tricking them.

@@cybrmaTS genuinely would make them scary and interesting again.

Maybe they use an ambassador; a silver-tongued devil talking people into conversion while the Doctor has to out-argue them and skirts moral greyness as without conversion thousands will die from the plague, but is death better?

@@meris8486 That could be good. I'd take it this ambassador would be a human looking character- cybermen voices might not be the best at sounding smooth talking and convincing?

Mine has to be from Doomsday Dalek Thay: Cybermen are superior in only one respect Cyberman: what is that? Dalek Thay: you are better at dying

@@fear_cheetah2079 I'm pretty sure that it's Sec that says that. Also that reminds me of Bitch Fight in Canary Wharf...

@CheetaH I loved that episode, hilarious

TBH The 14 Cybermen were pussies when compared to the Mondas or Telos Cybermen.

@@Jedi_Spartan_38 This is not war, this is Cyber Bullying

That's what gets me so upset from only TV watchers. They think a story about a race, or The Doctor, traveling & altering events throughout time & space should be straight forward & have easy answers. I feel like the best answers only give you more questions.

A lot of inconsistencies but very interesting

I just sort of handwave it. The Doctor changes history constantly, that there must be all sorts of branching timelines out there, some where the Cybermen come from Mondas, or Telos, or that other Mondas, or where they salvage parts from Pete's World Cybermen and so on.

@@DoinItforNewCommTech that is definitely what it is timelords can travel between dimensions and timelines so we know its possible though the doctor doesnt do it because its difficult. Which means every change the doctor makes does change the time line to some degree it only makes sense things begin to change and events witnessed become different over time thats what playing time does.

They arnt evwn time lords anymore. There just fucking average aliens with doctor DNA spliced into them, bullllshit

That one and the one with Bill "I waited, I waited, I waited for you". Both of these scenes bring me to tears every time.

Rob Agreed

Best? No. Funniest? Certainly.

Guys just watch the youtube video " Bitch fight at the canary warfh "

Matthew Ford BUGGAR you took the words right out of my mouth

@@thecoloradokid5418 because of that joe vevers video I will ALWAYS refer to the battle of the canary wharf as the bitch fight of canary wharf

Could not agree more.

Kieba How shiny gems, glowy screwdriver lol.

And gold. Ordinary, nonmagical, but shiny gold.

@Bilbous Bagoda Greatest cybermen music was ending of "World Enough and Time".

I prefer the creepiness of Martin Slavin's "Space Adventure Parts 1-3"; but Murray Gold's music works for the Cybermen too.

I found it too repetitive and it was super played out, we needed a different tune

@@theentity5201 My Entity in Christ, I said that two years ago.

@@TheSparrrow I get that as well, it's a weird world we live in. When there's a thought You know Johnny Lawrence in cobra kai first used Facebook and he saw his old girlfriends profile he liked ALL her photos every last one, his student migel face palmed silently

Irrelevant12 ??? This would be a great concept!

Arc. But, y’know?

This sounds good. It could slowly develop starting from a place of people just helping to keep themselves alive through technology, so it can show more of a grey area,

I'll make sure they're next on the pile! very biased towards my blathereen bitches

The sarah jane adventures kept using them too which was great. But yes i agree. They've always stuck in my head since i was 8 years old.

Daniel Pullella It was nice that they managed to get so many stories from the Slitheen and Blathereen.

Even the Cybermen can't reprogram Corden's massive ego

😳

Even if they just shoved his head in the helmet and blocked up the air holes.

Thomas Moir I thought they were gonna use that obese one that fought the sixth doctor

The context of Jack's warning is worse than we all feared.

@@nightowl8477 Fucking hell, what DOES it want? I don't wanna know, actually...

@Rory Goodchild I did, it wants that sweet, sweet Cyberium.

We need Cyber wars in the canon. Trust me, the potential is infinite.

nightowl That’s reality of why Doctor Who (and why there’s always a sizeable subset of casual viewers permanently hating on the show)- the reason it’s so awesome is the wiiiiiide potential. It was Hinchcliffe Who pointed out they could do *anything*.

Nah episodes were shit

@@MrLtia1234 There's a sizable amount of people hating on the show because Chibnill used the season 12 finale to take a fat hot steaming shit over 60 *YEARS* of established Doctor Who lore! Let us be a little mad about it!! (or was your comment from before that duce dropped?)

@@jacobredfield1386 It actually doesn't break Who-lore at all. What is actually did was fix a few old holes (believe me, there are plenty). It was also pretty terrible, but those two facts aren't related, sorry.

Y’know the fact that they didn’t actually film it in Colchester doesn’t bother me half as much as the fact that the entire episode is based around a big indoor shopping centre, despite Colchester not having a big indoor shopping centre.

They should've made the starter episode of Series 7 "The Asylum of the Cybermen". The Doctor and his companions are kidnapped by The Parliament of the Cybermen to traverse the Asylum finding horrible disfigured Mondasion, Earthshock, Tomb and Cybus Cybermen. Oswin Oswald is actually a half converted Mondasian Cyberman.

holy shit, this would've made x10 more sense!

Sounds phenomenal.

Sounds wonderfully disturbing, if the angels can make cherubs creepy then cybermen could make Dolls even creepier

Gawd! Please let me read that! Is it a Doctor Who story?

That actually sounds brilliant

Castellan of Gundabad that’s such a good idea

My personal favourite kind of Cyberstory are the few where they actually make a convincing case for conversion. The Flood is REALLY good at this, making true on the fact that they WOULD eradicate world hunger and poverty.

you know alexa listens to your conversations, so I think that is a great idea!!

A kind, melodic voice would work. And then have their voices change to the voices used in The Moonbase and Tomb of the Cybermen, which were created using an electrolarnyx.

@Atahualpa Inca or, cybermen made from timelords! Oh, wait 😬

What bugs me is how cavalier they are with killing people, they should have tasers or anti-riot gear to incapacitate targets, their big guns should be reserved for warfare not skirmishes.

"We need a design for these Cyberdrones, can you come up with something?" "Sure, how much time do we have?" "About 3 minutes"

They're basically the kids from The Utopia/Last of the Timelords.

Exactly. I don't know if it's ever been confirmed that that is one of the ideas that created the Cybermen, but it's definitely interesting to look in to.

@nightowl Reminds me of: "There is trouble with the trees for the maples want more sunlight and the Oaks ignore their pleas. But now the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, axe, and saw…" Just as cybermen make everyone equal through scalpels, bone saws and steel with an emotional inhibitor so you can act like none of it happened.

Communism minus transhumanism. Cybermen are transhumanists and communism is against transhumanism.

John Smith Who says communism is against transhumanism?

@@gavinpicard3003 Marx himself (and thus his proponents, be them Lenin, Stalin or any Marxist-Leninists or proponents of Marx's so-called Dialectic Materialism™ aka Hegelian ripoff). He was against any notion of transhumanism/eugenism, biological selection or evolutionary supremacy (although transhumanism as a concept may not strictly indicate a biological transcendence). Your reply unfortunetaly tells me that you're not aware of his writings on the theory and practice of natural sciences and his unilateral bitch fight with Darwin, Wallace and Huxley or let's say his personal crusade as he was no man of science, yet he dabbled in the fields he had no knowledge therof. There's a reason Marx and Engels opposed Darwinian evolution and Mendelian genetics and his successors, the Soviet Union made Lysenkoism the state religion by rejecting then modern genetics and biology. Holodomor was literally caused by this pseudo-scientific belief and damaged the Soviet agricultural development and hindered their exploration of the genetics. Stalin hanged or exiled many biologists who simply opposed Lysenkoism. It seems like early Doctor Who writers also lacked the skills of the philosophy and or/history of science and thus drew the simple allegory of communism = transhumanism. No, communists are against transhumanism because it simply violates their main principle: equality, both in social and biological sense.

Can't deplete the original stock!

Adric would make a good 80s cyber lieutenant because he’s a math nerd.

I'd play it more as that crazed Cyberman is their way in, leading to the sad reveal that the nearby organic matter / available mind was used. Either way, its wanky as hell- but would drive some much-needed closure out of Tegan Nyssa and 5.

Star wars + Doctor who..... Epic.

@@jeckjeck3119 Dumb.

@@provisionalhypothesis also said warp looks like hyperspace from Star Wars.

@@provisionalhypothesis And Jojo in Doctor Who. Now I want to see that. Bad Wolf will be Doctor's stand.

80s cybermen? Where?

Daniel Pullella the Earthshock design.

@Bilbous Bagoda kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b9-chMymrbeudYU.html

Humanity might be upgrading but old habits die hard even in circuitry.

:)

Still better than last season.

It's definitely futile and takes the fun out, this is just a bit of fun parody of the idea that everything has to go on a consistent timeline

Cyber Judoon too!!

The 80's versions are probably my favorite, mostly from David Banks emoting more than a Cyberman probably should in his performances.

Airwolf 276 my cheeks hurt from cringing

El Gweedy same

Ewwww that made me cringe

Tech10K me making that video?! Far from it!

I haven’t cringed that hard since Doctor in Distress

that hell is called prime-time british television

I could talk about cybermen for ages, they’re my favourite villain in who

I believe it is all lost media :(

Ah I see you too are a man of culture. I love Bank’s Cybermen book.

Ben DarthDakka I know it’s good book, I especially like The Archive Tapes: Cybermen read by David Banks and the chronology makes sense. Particularly on the Invasion pre-dating the arrival of Mondas.

@@michaelhalford2640 Yep.

Come on man

@@SamyulDavis I'm a fan of Fenech! It was adorable! "Come on" back as well - it humanizes you, and the rest of your delivery and editing was perfect. indestinct-shuh-buhl actually *improves* the clip!

troffmeister68 - Delete!

That makes sense. It makes perfect sense that the 66 cybermen are like the prototype and the cybus cybermen are the final product then the series 8 cybermen are the special weapons variant!

Actually, WOTAN and a few other characters in the War Machines refer to the Doctor as “Dr Who” so it’s technically two stories

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