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8 жыл бұрын

Prof. Thurman discusses Buddhist ethics, which he translates as the ten-fold path of skillful and unskillful action. Instead of right and wrong, Professor Thurman urges us to consider ethical behavior as any action that helps us evolve on the path toward enlightenment. He provides a blue print for those seeking to bring spiritual values into the workplace and beyond.

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@jntolbert
@jntolbert 5 жыл бұрын
I teach World Religions at a state community college and I found this lecture very helpful. Thank you for posting.
@JasonGafar
@JasonGafar 7 жыл бұрын
There's many things I can say about this lecture, all good, but I will say this: Professor Robert Thurman is a character!!!! He's so funny and genuine. Very nice and insightful lecture!
@lizafield9002
@lizafield9002 7 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. He's so human, vast-ranging in mind and also funny--makes a person really glad to have the 'precious jewel' of a human life.
@artician22
@artician22 5 жыл бұрын
how could anybody click a thumb down after listening to this talk?
@neilaspin42
@neilaspin42 5 жыл бұрын
It's a beautiful thing listening to Bob talk.
@MrCanigou
@MrCanigou 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you Meng & Prof. Thurman. The best to you guys !
@davereid-daly2205
@davereid-daly2205 7 жыл бұрын
A fantastic summary of Buddhism with loads of humor, had me laughing my ass off ! What a great teacher!
@rastafah2263
@rastafah2263 Жыл бұрын
If quantum physics says that the world has 11 dimensions, there is one dimension that quantum physics cannot perceive. which is a one-dimensional object which is the state of nirvana No deterioration appeared, no other conditions appeared. but only one state appeared.
@Eyesayah
@Eyesayah 7 жыл бұрын
As professors go, few if any deliver better. As we travel between heaven and earth, it seems there is something in at least some of us that yearns for better. Ideas such as these encourage honoring that. May our exposure to these bear meritorious fruit even beyond gratitude for those who carry the messages of redemption.
@padmadevkota5304
@padmadevkota5304 8 жыл бұрын
Experience expressing itself with wonderful clarity. Great talk.
@woodyexplorer
@woodyexplorer 7 жыл бұрын
I do feel happy by appreciating things in my life.
@user-ih2xs4mk6t
@user-ih2xs4mk6t 3 жыл бұрын
Marvellous and noble message and the lecture. Thank you very much.
@PeterTerpstra7
@PeterTerpstra7 8 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the talk, thank you Bob.
@bogaer51
@bogaer51 8 жыл бұрын
Great talk Bob the Buddha, you even keep inspiring people in other continents ...
@sameerad7542
@sameerad7542 7 жыл бұрын
Hans van den Bogaert nobody else can be a Buddha. even not a monk. monks and laypeople are followers. so it not good to refer to someone as Buddha.
@thechallengingwanker7979
@thechallengingwanker7979 7 жыл бұрын
nidahas sith. Yes, anyone can be a buddha.
@hellboundtruck123
@hellboundtruck123 6 жыл бұрын
nidahas sith everyone is a buddha
@gianc.2559
@gianc.2559 3 жыл бұрын
The relation between understanding and Knowing is that while one stop and have an holiday in what has discovered in his/her knowing loses the common ground which is the relativity , if one finds the place of comfort the existence itself " Which could be seen as a dream reality stops & there is no existing as we know it without anything to observe ?
@SilveiraJoaoPaulo
@SilveiraJoaoPaulo 7 жыл бұрын
Fascinating! Thank you!
@satatik21
@satatik21 3 жыл бұрын
There are actually a few new peer reviewed studies done by trauma surgeons and cardiologists about near death experiences that seem to support conciousness continuing untethered from the brain.
@HussainFahmy
@HussainFahmy 8 жыл бұрын
Buddha said, “Birth makes not a man an outcast, actions make a man an outcast.”
@amritaangaadkaur5541
@amritaangaadkaur5541 7 жыл бұрын
Hussain Fahmy حسين فحمي
@lineseeking
@lineseeking 4 жыл бұрын
Whose actions ? The individual who is outcasted? Then what about scapegoat model, this is obviously the fault of those copying one another and becoming a mob.
@moonmissy
@moonmissy 4 жыл бұрын
Hussain Fahmy حسين فحمي what action? Then why did the Buddha accepted a serial killer as a student? If his actions were so abhorrent? Look it up... Aṅgulimāla. the dharma doesn’t judges others but seek to better oneself and through that become a model for others to follow on their own accord. The Buddha left society and renounced its ways. Isn’t he an outcast?!! “Judge not lest ye be judged” says Jesus.
@jargin2
@jargin2 8 жыл бұрын
great talk robert
@davidwilkie9551
@davidwilkie9551 5 жыл бұрын
If there's an outstanding feature of this philosophy, it's that you can't escape the consequences of anyone's actions because everything is connected. Therefore it's a lifetime goal to avoid negative actions and reactions. Simple Principle of Physics.. Because we are a metastable pulse of information dynamically generated and balanced instantaneously.., embedded in the whole connection, there's constant creation feedback to form the state of awareness/mentation we recognize by this holistic reflection of what we know about ourselves. "Know your self" and "To your own self be true", acknowledging the singularity of no-thing-now.., zero-infinity balanced temporal Superposition-point Singularity. "Materialism" is the one-sided sciencing of Spacetime, which, because it declared the study to be theoretical and incomplete, is legitimate inquiry toward that goal. Philosophy, the interpreted and communicable meaning of physical meaning in existence, is fundamentally associated with time and integrated timing. Material Space and imagined Time, you can't have one without the other in one cause-effect connection. No labels, titles or objects are permanent, but they can be a measure of relative responsibility and respect. (?)
@fudanchu8436
@fudanchu8436 8 жыл бұрын
Some great thoughts here. I suspect the conscience is gone after death because I don't see proof of rebirth. However, I'm determined to do be polite/giving to those I love such that it doesn't even matter which outcome is ultimately true - and that I believe is the real enlightenment. I'm not doing it for karma points...as pointed out during the talk it feels good to make those you care about happy - so it's a no-brainer regardless of your beliefs!
@KittredgeRitter
@KittredgeRitter 7 жыл бұрын
Fu Dan Chu Hello Fu, how are you? I was wondering if you knew anything about Buddhism being taught from classrooms on KZfaq? For example like Jordan Peterson teaches Christianity on KZfaq from his classroom at the university of Toronto.
@hellboundtruck123
@hellboundtruck123 6 жыл бұрын
There's lesser proof of no afterlife than there is of rebirth.
@amparomoreno5957
@amparomoreno5957 Жыл бұрын
Thanks 🙏🙏🙏
@edbouquet1012
@edbouquet1012 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, great talk!....FYI it was Louis XV who said that, not XVI.
@levimust4479
@levimust4479 3 жыл бұрын
He should go talk at Facebook, they really need some spiritual help.
@JesseNickelltheFourth
@JesseNickelltheFourth 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing!
@lexnuss791
@lexnuss791 5 жыл бұрын
Bob, Bob, Bob. Bob, Bobanand. Namo Guru byo. Namo Buddha ya. Namo Dharma ya. Namo Sangha ya. "Guru is greater than God, because God has been here all along. But before Guru reveals truth, no one recognizes this God." Light is the absence of darkness and that's that.
@gianc.2559
@gianc.2559 3 жыл бұрын
I do not know if could be believed but I in one occasion , when I was in a precarious situation between life and death , in less than a blink of the eye I saw and RE-lived the whole life up to that moment , conclusion its memory could have not been stored in a massive head but perhaps more likely in a smallest particle somewhere " Perhaps in the body ? & that thing can not even be found let alone destroyed and if that thing is what will go on might as well make it as an happiest journey as possible or fruitful as possible because as we see in nature " Which is where we all come from " there are beautiful flowers and ugly ones to .
@panpiper
@panpiper 8 жыл бұрын
Creating a secular ethics is an extremely laudable goal. I fear however it fails if it requires, as was stipulated repeatedly here, that one accept the immortality of the self. Not having such a faith does not equate to nihilism. I have to wonder if this is not an attachment in Buddhism? I may not exist at a given point in time, but the universe does exist in all points of time. The fact that I have suffered in this universe need not dissuade me from loving it for the happiness and beauty it also contains and has gifted me with. I act to create a better world not for reasons of enlightened 'immortal' self interest but simply because I have sufficient love for the universe and that which exists within it. It is the immortality of the universe that I love, that is my motive, not the faith in my own. I am personally enriched now, in this life, by virtue of this love at the same time as I am able to enrich that which I love. Whether I am enlightened or attain enlightenment is relevant only as a guidepost, we need not be attached to enlightenment either. The assertion here that science cannot prove that nothingness exists, and that that 'proves' that nothingness does 'not' exist, is fallacious. That said, I am not convinced that one need have a 'faith' in one's personal immortality in order to 'be enlightened', one need not be so attached to one's self. Indeed, realizing that one may in fact have only one life is if anything to me, more impetus to get it right, right now. There may well not be time later.
@zopaseah4982
@zopaseah4982 7 жыл бұрын
Peter Cohen i read your comment, interesting. good that u altruistic, and more. However, what Bob is saying is not wrong. HH Dalai Lama is the one advocating ethical conduct and secular living for those who does not favour religion. like altruistic u, who work to create a better world, HH DL highlight an interesting point- if u work with altruistism for sentient beings, there is a strong 'self' who willingly forego self-cherishing to benefit others, the strong 'I' will take on the suffering, 'I' will do this for sentient beings, etc.. whereas if u are talking about emptiness of self, the development of wisdom realising emptiness is different, heavy on analytical meditation on self and phenomena. u check it up. but i apologise for this poor uncalled for input. but i saw your interesting remarks, ..
@Joshuareichmann
@Joshuareichmann 7 жыл бұрын
Peter Cohen look into emptyness as conceptual underpinning of something very different than investment in immortality. Emptiness is an entirely different idea than nothingness. That is not semantics. It is fundamental to Buddhism, and the ballenced polar twin to compassion which opens up our "evolution". All the best.
@davereid-daly2205
@davereid-daly2205 7 жыл бұрын
Peter Cohen The great difficulty here, if I understand you correctly, is that the properties of experience Buddha revealed still escape you as a reality in everyday life, which is why your tone has its basis in speculative philosophy.
@goodlotus188
@goodlotus188 3 жыл бұрын
I recommend you Lotus Sutra.
@phengkimving
@phengkimving Жыл бұрын
Amazing.
@mikesobirey9529
@mikesobirey9529 7 жыл бұрын
30:39 ... Belief is not enough to transform ... Bhagavad gita ... II 10:20 II अहमात्मा गुडाकेश सर्वभूताशयस्थित: | अहमादिश्च मध्यं च भूतानामन्त एव च || 20|| aham ātmā guḍākeśha sarva-bhūtāśhaya-sthitaḥ I aham ādiśh cha madhyaṁ cha bhūtānām anta eva cha II20II aham-I; ātmā-soul; guḍākeśha-Arjun, the conqueror of sleep; sarva-bhūta-of all living entities; āśhaya-sthitaḥ-seated in the heart; aham-I; ādiḥ-the beginning; cha-and; madhyam-middle; cha-and; bhūtānām-of all beings; antaḥ-end; eva-even; cha-also. BG 10.20: O Arjun, I am seated in the heart of all living entities. I am the beginning, middle, and end of all beings.
@k234008
@k234008 8 жыл бұрын
Big simple question about reincarnation is in the past there are few living beings but today there are a lot of living beings then where from these souls pop up?
@winphet
@winphet 8 жыл бұрын
Reincarnation is in Hinduism, Buddhism is rebirth. From this point, your question will not find answer here, maybe in hinduist space. If you listen to Robert Thurman, nothing is absolute, no-self so no soul which you deal with, all are relative even the concept of rebirth, by this way rebirth is not an absolute concept in Buddhism, as an non absolute concept all buddhist do not have to believe in rebirth. Rebirth is not a dogma in Buddhism. There is no dogma, no absolute in Buddhism but concepts. concept of Nirvana, concept of Karma, concept of rebirth, concept of Samasara, concept of no-self, concept of impermanence, concept of emptiness ... As one and only one concept, there is no really interest, there is interest when many concepts are put together (relativity). Like the concept of production, trade, finance...ther are not absolute, they have value for you if you believe in some interest, profit, if you are not interested in the production, the finance, the trade, you don't need to be explained on these points. Because to explain on the relative is to explain on each choice, on each vision of thing...
@yoloyoloooo2243
@yoloyoloooo2243 7 жыл бұрын
I may not a buddhist expert but indeed I'm a buddhist. Just for your information in Buddhism, we believe that there are 31 levels of lives such as animal, human, ghost/soul, etc. From the lowest to the highest and it is all related and keeps happening until you reach your nirvana where in a state when u will not be reborn again. For the question u ask. Just simply put that in buddhism it is possible in our world (human/people) may exist more than our earth which simply translates that alien is possible to exist and just like how scientist and all people says that earth will disappeared/destroyed in the future. Simply just imagine that the earth is destroyed, therefore we the people in there will be reborn in other world whether in the same level or higher or lower depends on your karma unless you reach nirvana and become a Buddha then you will not reborn again. Again it is just a simple things that I learn in my school as a Buddhist however I can't explain furthermore. There are a lot of Buddha's official book and it is all can be counted hundreds or thousands to read it needs a lot of time which makes it impossible. So yeah probably if you are interested you can search it in google by yourself :) Anyway I'm vey happy if I'm able to answer your questions. Have a great day!
@yoloyoloooo2243
@yoloyoloooo2243 7 жыл бұрын
Ya thats basically the same for example when the earth going to go through the end of the earth or extinction, not only human will die but also animals which means the soul of the animals will also being transferred or reincarnated. Anyway how are you so sure ? How can u count other living souls besides human and animals. So yeah... Have a great day :)
@satatik21
@satatik21 3 жыл бұрын
The lower realms are filled with exponentially more beings than the realms above them.
@zamin2740
@zamin2740 7 жыл бұрын
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@mangalikaranasinha9920
@mangalikaranasinha9920 7 жыл бұрын
If u are following buddah..just try to clean ur heart..1st...let us see how...dont be jellos...wen u get feel jellos with some 1..something..think this filling are bad...its not good..then dont get angry...some 1 can u make get angry...for example...look..u need ur clothes...may be its not there...so dont get angry wit anybody...try to be coool...start to make control ur feeling...
@MartinClausen
@MartinClausen 8 жыл бұрын
Not believing something for which no evidence exists is not a blind faith belief.
@ChrisSalmonTechnologies
@ChrisSalmonTechnologies 8 жыл бұрын
+Martin Clausen No shit, the logic is clear and easy on that, why people like this still make these obviously wrong claims is a mystery to me.
@Joshuareichmann
@Joshuareichmann 7 жыл бұрын
Martin Clausen different onologicsl claim about what truth is and about what a fact is. When you approach from a different angle than the realist when viewing evidence you end up with an oportunity to open up to something out side of the knowable in the mundain realm. That' the claim. And it is sound.
@MartinClausen
@MartinClausen 7 жыл бұрын
My comment is directed at his claim that atheism is a blind faith belief. It clearly is not. It is merely the assertion that there is not sufficient evidence to believe in a God.
@lizafield9002
@lizafield9002 7 жыл бұрын
Great, but Thurman is saying that there is no evidence that an afterlife (non-material realm) does NOT exist. So neither stance would have "sufficient evidence," and some would say there's in fact more evidence stacked up on the non-material existence side. (Eg, consciousness itself is not physical; it's nonlocal.) So Thurman's point is that those who say there IS no spiritual realm, having no proof to back it up, must therefore being going on blind faith. ("'Nothing' can never be proven." -R.T.) It's curious that this statement would seem insulting? Unless one thought oneself to be above anything so low-brow and uninformed as 'blind faith.'
@yojimbo234
@yojimbo234 6 жыл бұрын
The scientific method is a method of observation/measurement.. to verify some hypothesis, scientifically, one must be able to set up an experiment that can offer evidence in either direction. The scientific method does not accept negational proof - it is only through observation/measurement that it accepts valid statements. Thurman missed the primary teaching of the Buddha, which helps here, which is that every 'thing' within the phenomenal world is impermanent - every 'thing' is subject to conditions to start, subsist, and cease. Take a proton (theoretically expected) to have a half life of 10^34 years. Black holes are (theoretically) expected to evaporate.. QM is pretty accurate with its predictions though, so science offers this agreement on impermanence. Therefore, if you agree that everywhere, every thing, is impermanent, then to claim a permanent property for such a thing, is foolish. As such, death cannot be rationally seen as a permanent property. That is not to say that 'this exact being' does not die, and reappears somewhere else, that requires a permanent being! The point is that conditionality does not cease, because there is no thing for cessation to grasp or act upon within the conditioned world. Cessation can only be done through conscious choice.
@nirbhaynandan72
@nirbhaynandan72 3 жыл бұрын
Mohammad was most enlightened person human history have seen!! His teaching is beyond comprehension by today's human being.
@nirbhaynandan72
@nirbhaynandan72 3 жыл бұрын
@Anand Sharma be careful u idiot! do u read news? what is happening in France and Europe? Mohammad( PBUH) Was most enlightened human ever. Accept it.
@nirbhaynandan72
@nirbhaynandan72 3 жыл бұрын
@Anand Sharma Muslims have given task to spread the message of Allah. And we will do it at any cost. Islam is fastest growing religion in the world, this itself says somthing...within 10-20 years islam will be largest religion with highest number of islamic countries this says a lot about which religion is enlightened...buddhism has only 500mn followers...laughable isn't it...and atheism is 1 billion.....hahaha! Fucking buddhism!
@wimalism
@wimalism 7 ай бұрын
😢😢😢
@moonmissy
@moonmissy 4 жыл бұрын
If Bob didn’t renounce his celibate monastic vows, we wouldn’t have Uma Thurman and Kill Bill. Lmao. Bob sacrificed his chances of reaching “non-returner” stage for Kill Bill LOL (Because laity can only attain the first two stages of enlightenment). He’s a true Bodhisattva!
@satatik21
@satatik21 3 жыл бұрын
This simply isn't true for Vajrayana practioners.
@MTBsapuwa6747
@MTBsapuwa6747 2 жыл бұрын
....
@wimalism
@wimalism 7 ай бұрын
How does feel this lecture.?
@rastafah2263
@rastafah2263 Жыл бұрын
If quantum physics says that the world has 11 dimensions, there is one dimension that quantum physics cannot perceive. which is a one-dimensional object which is the state of nirvana No deterioration appeared, no other conditions appeared. but only one state appeared.
@Zenlina1
@Zenlina1 6 жыл бұрын
Wonder where all the Jesus, Muhammad, Moses lovers are. I'm kind of curious how they would comment on this... would make things interesting for the comment area.
@David-lx4yb
@David-lx4yb 5 жыл бұрын
Jesus was very much like a Buddhist. Unfortunately, Christianity today has nothing to do with being Christ-like.
@noynalinyazansanievongviva7401
@noynalinyazansanievongviva7401 4 жыл бұрын
Because the jesus figure is not historical dr.richard carrier already discuss that....because if you realize that anything that is inside the bible has not been proven as truth and anybody that is mention in the bible has not have any resources outsude of it....in other words the gospel is not a relaible source the names that are mention in the bible including jesus has not validation to their existence.
@noynalinyazansanievongviva7401
@noynalinyazansanievongviva7401 4 жыл бұрын
And Muhammad is not quite a qualified role model in my opinion lol.
@noynalinyazansanievongviva7401
@noynalinyazansanievongviva7401 4 жыл бұрын
@@David-lx4yb jesus is very buddhist because the romans have inserted some of the teachings to fit the jesus figure as acceptable in the bible....
@z0uLess
@z0uLess 2 жыл бұрын
Thought experiment: If the proof of non-existence somehow got discovered, would buddhism cease to exist? My question is at what level the central tenets of buddhism is ranked. My fear of engaging with buddhism is the idea of dogma. In science, any new evidence changes the essense of science itself. If you are a buddhist, are you allowed to have such thoughts and questions or do you simply believe that critical thinking causes suffering?
@norbzt
@norbzt 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think there is such a thing as Dogmatic Buddhism. It sounds like an oxymoron to me. There are dogmatic religions which claim to be Buddhism, but those are for people who cannot practice meaningful introspection, due to lack of capacity; mental or otherwise. These religions bring meaning to the lives of such people and are meant to bring about social harmony. Buddhism is inherently without dogma. It encourages you to use your brain to challenge anything and everything. When there are inconsistencies between Buddhism and science, I can defer to science and still call what I practice, *Buddhism*. Dalai Lama, whatever you may think of him, encourages Buddhists to defer to science in such situations.
@z0uLess
@z0uLess 2 жыл бұрын
@@norbzt thanks for a long and thoughtful reply.
@norbzt
@norbzt 2 жыл бұрын
@@z0uLess Care to share your thoughts? I'm open to discussing and learning.
@z0uLess
@z0uLess 2 жыл бұрын
@@norbzt the comment was made at a time long gone. also, I am not in a good headspace right now.
@norbzt
@norbzt 2 жыл бұрын
@@z0uLess oh.. I'm just a stranger but if I can do anything for you, let me know..
@markbrad123
@markbrad123 6 жыл бұрын
Guess you will all have to go Vegan to be ethical and show compassion to all sentient beings as eating meat, dairy and eggs is a needless luxury. that causes much pain.
@hellboundtruck123
@hellboundtruck123 6 жыл бұрын
optizap mmmm... bacon 🥓
@moonmissy
@moonmissy 4 жыл бұрын
optizap yeah, then the big corporations destroys forest lands to grow beans and vegetables, thereby causing species extinctions. I say better off eat less, like once every other day or so... this way you won’t kills as many insects and animals with pesticides. Better yet, don’t take any medicine if you get sick, you’re killing bacteria and living viruses. How far do you want to take this? Best to not have children because it adds to carbon footprints adding to extinctions and global warming. The Buddha was a meat eater, he died by eating spoiled pork. More than half of the world’s Buddhists are not vegan or vegetarian.
@noynalinyazansanievongviva7401
@noynalinyazansanievongviva7401 4 жыл бұрын
@@moonmissy and your point is?.....its not wrong nor is it right.....buddha ate it because he knows he will perish anyways and also he doesnt want to refuse the offering because he didn't want to upset the person who gave it to him....he is very compassion something that people lack nowadays .....
@MrHamburgerHelper
@MrHamburgerHelper 4 жыл бұрын
singye wong You will be consumed as the bacon of a more intelligent species one day. That is your karma. Namaste 🙏
@chetanhmeshram
@chetanhmeshram 5 жыл бұрын
Dalai lama just interpreted what BUDDHA preached.........
@em-dy3hn
@em-dy3hn Жыл бұрын
Only one thing that never sits well - the colonialist white thing. Asia and indigenous people also like to conquer. They are also people so the Buddha's teachings also apply.
@piratedaveyjones1903
@piratedaveyjones1903 Жыл бұрын
Buddhist ethics 101. “Kissing young boys on the lips and asking them to suck your tongue is just innocent and playful teasing”-The Dalai Lama!
@CTguy203
@CTguy203 Жыл бұрын
Lol. You have to do some real research to find this video and comment like this. 🤡
@DenverDeathrock
@DenverDeathrock 5 жыл бұрын
The love and sexual feelings a person (or animal) has toward their mate is not at all the same as the loving compassion a Buddhist should have with all living beings. Buddha did not encourage his followers to get married and have sex with each other. Romantic love is an attachment. Lay Buddhist lecturers and writers really don't want to accept this, which is probably why they aren't monastics. It's the same story as always; we pick and chose what we like about a religion and then rationalize and try to justify what we don't like.
@moonmissy
@moonmissy 4 жыл бұрын
Jason West Buddha said you can practice, whether laity or monastic and reach a point of attainment of “non- returner”, at which point desires for sensual and sexual gratification will dissolve and you need to become a monastic to further become an Arahat. Most Buddhist practitioners, monastics or laity.. rarely attain this stage. It is easier to practice as a monastic for meditative progress, but not a guarantee. However, the Buddha’s monastic orders were wandering monastics with no personal ownership or homes and begs for food daily from town to town. Rarely stays at one place for more than a few days outside of the rain retreat. They are forced to practice with changing environment and different people treating them differently... some with respect, others with disdain and sometimes even violence. That’s the real practice and challenge of monastic life that helps someone becomes enlightened during the Buddha’s time. These days, monks get everything taken cared of by laity in Asian monasteries, they don’t cook, clean or do much at all but have much powers over worshipers. Their ego is never questioned or tested. This is why few attain even the first stage of enlightenment as “stream enterer” never mind anything further. I have a friend’s brother who became a monk for 10 years, 7 of which was spent in Burma, after which he disrobed and got married. He told his brother that the monks all knew which route in the town where they would get what type of food if they go beg for lunch, so they would take the route where the food is more fancy and tasty. That’s already desires for sensual pleasures! Not the same experience as the Buddha’s monastic during his time where they do not know what kind of food, if any all they will get that day. They can learn to lessen desires that way, to learn to accept what comes and desires less. This situation no longer exists today, this is why many cannot go far and disrobes. So if you find a Buddhist teacher who is teaching about enlightenment and still engaged in sexual and sensual pleasures, they have not gone through to “once returner” but still remains at best in the first two stages of enlightenment (which is already pretty rare, so I wouldn’t discount their teachings). The Buddha made this point very clear during his lifetime teachings. Many interpret his teachings and abuse “skillful means” as a way to violate the basic precepts of the Buddha. I think people need to be honest with the teachings and admit that it’s ok to not become celibate until “non-returner” stage is reached. At which point desires for sensual pleasures falls away. Whether you like it or not, you’re not going to care too much about sex or other sensual pleasures, even the pleasures of the first 4 material Jhanas are discarded.
@johnlawrence2757
@johnlawrence2757 5 жыл бұрын
There are no ethics in what people perceive to be “Buddhism”. No morality either Buddha taught science: the right way to live to be happy. And that was to be outcast.Renounce. So this quote actually means you have to actually renounce your birthright. You aren’t a bikhshu just because you think you are. Christians are very prone to this delusion: the idea that someone else - Christ, the BVM, saint Peter etc can save a Christian’s soul whilst he carries on his normal selfish arrogant life is pretty standard in Christianity: so institutional religion invents ethics to provide cover for those who have passed the buck onto “Jesus”
@moonmissy
@moonmissy 4 жыл бұрын
John Lawrence I beg to differ. There are ethical conduct as precepts prescribed by the Buddha, but he told people to apply it to oneself and one’s own practice, not to judge others. Sila forms the foundations of all Buddhist practice, whether laity or monastics.
@ChrisSalmonTechnologies
@ChrisSalmonTechnologies 8 жыл бұрын
I was very interested in this, but right off the bat the guy claims secularism requires faith. That lost me, I have no further interest in what the man has to say.
@CrystaTiBoha
@CrystaTiBoha 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Has Prof Thurman's sense of self expanded infinitely so much (40:40) as to include those "White male British gentlmen" (38:00) whom he so mocks and states they were busy genociding people around the planet? Even if his take on colonialism was accurate, is that the proper Buddhist attitude? After all, he's going to be entangled with everyone forever and the best way of doing that is to love them (43:18)... Is that how he treats people he loves? Is that how he treats his wife and kids? 🤔🤔
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