Appreciate the info, and the dry, painful humor (e.g. SF DA's not wanting any harm to come to violent criminals).

Damn it’s illegal in sf? I moved here for work and was thinking of getting one. I still might cuz I’d rather deter an attack and ask for forgiveness later.

Very informative and concise essay, thank you. At those costs and what it does I think I'll stick with my sword and the real gun I own. These have their place, just not for me at those prices

Dems are such pos. Tired of their assault on the hard working looking out for their families.

Thank you so much for all the information. Extremely helpful

Would you happen to know the address to purchase one of those?I appreciate it thank you

How many shots can you get in on 1 co2 cartrdge? And how long can you leave that punctured co2 cartridge in the byrna, or does it all have to be used up at one time?

@@HK-uj9qc about 20 shots on one CO2 cartridge. You will only ever want to keep a new, unpunctured one in your launcher if it is sitting unused and loaded for any amount of time. You will not want to rely on a partially used cartridge to be effective over time because it will leak. An unpunctured cartridge will not leak and the first shot squeezed off the trigger punctures it so the launcher is effective for each magazine. Cartridges and eco rounds are inexpensive enough to take out for target practice and shoot until the cartridge is depleted. Always wear safety glasses when changing cartridges.

I thought that too he speaks like well liked teacher.

Joel owns and teaches numerous shooting and security classes. He also teaches CCW courses in San Diego. I called his company about CCW class info, and he personally returned my call. He is a straight forward and honest business owner who wants to help as many people as possible to attain their CCW in California, not such a simple thing to do. I also own a Byrna in international signal orange. I want it clear to any law enforcement officers that I am not holding a lethal firearm. Good work Joel...keep up the updates. I am a subscriber.

What is a private police department?

Some of your well known police are ones like your railroad police. SPCA also have Private Police . Another of universities as well.

I meant a number of college universities. A non-profit company can have private Police to secure or police there property.

yes they do,,with some restriction you can now have firearms in national parks,,, the law changed in 2010.

authorized byrna dealer here and can help set you up 😁

you can get an extension so you can use the larger gas cartridges for more power.

One point of clarification: The pepper balls are not reusable. Only the polymer balls are reusable.

Apparently, you did not buy a Byrna. The Byrna costs about $400. The Byrna does not puncture the CO2 cartridge until you fire the first shot. Thus, there is zero leakage.

@@PDSClasses that’s correct. My second unit is not Byrna. I couldn’t recall the brand/model but it normally sells for around $120 at Big5 and I got it on sale. The leakage problem solved but, Byrna has detachable magazines which the cheaper model does not. I was hoping that someone had a third party option for Byrna? Or maybe one of these companies could do better research and have a better solution?

What color did you get?

Exactly....

This 👏👏

My same question

They have a video of an attack dog whining and running. Don’t know about bear.

Are you allowed to conceal and carry it ? I'm in Cali too just wondering

So you got the way under power unit

Where did you get them? Online? I’m looking and can only get online but no walk in here in CA.

@DougDougie Order from Byrna website I'm in California waiting on mine

@@USMCdad470 I think Bass Pro has them

Did jt work? Do its job?

She used it twice, I'm guessing that she's ok

And, how'd it go?

One shot from 8 feet with the hard ball in the upper thigh sent him to the ground. The other guy saw the Byrna and turned around. @@sl4983

Excellent presentation 😊

@@MatthewRRaderit really is, short sweet and to the point! Well, I guess it was not real sweet…lol

Do you REALLY think we don’t have WHATEVER we want???????? You guys kill me!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

They don't awake up, they just start moving to red states when things get bad, and then begin voting to change the laws over there into the mess that they just ran away from.

Criminals get their guns illegally. It's not your job to protect yourself, that's why the police exist. Owning a gun is a precautionary measure. The reason why your gun needs to be licensed and registered, so law enforcement can separate you from the criminals who posses loose fire arms. People don't need to wake up, you just need to inform yourself, of your state's gun ordnance and regulation laws.

This stuff shoots through car glass I'm sure it hurts like getting shot but non lethal

Yes. As long as you hit the upper chest or in the face I've shot one of these the pepper ball rises and spreads out and looks for an air opening. Face. mouth. Nose. i bought my gun . I made the mistake firing one of the pepper balls for target practice. It almost knocked me out. Basically if you use the pepper balls they will be choking on their own air. They will get their breath after a while. It will not kill anybody. They also have nerve gas balls mixed with pepper spray. So my advice is to buy one of these guns. You get a kit for 325 d Includes the gun. 10 pepper balls. 2 air. Capsules. 10 practice balls. 10 white hard balls. Also two clips. The company also sells tear gas spray which is only $20. I was really impressed with this company.

go for the nose

No, testing showed with heavy winter coats the balls bounce off without breaking open.

It could be a good option, provided she is willing to carry it. It's quite large.

She would be better off with a fixed blade knife to be honest. If your wife was grabbed god forbid, she would have to try to reach in her purse to get this pepper ball gun, the bad guy would just take her purse. Have her carry a fixed blade knife inside her waistband for easy and quick access

Leave New York. What a horrible state.

Better check & make sure NY/your town doesn't have local law against CO2 pistols, my town ( Chapel Hill, N.C.) has ordinance against them.

Interesting

By the NY compliant one

Byrna chemical rounds are good, but yeah they are a little more expensive than Duke rounds or Salt Pepperballs ammo.

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You could also upgraded both guns to where it's twice or 3 times more powerful .

on the byrna the co2 isnt punctured until you pull the trigger for the first time with a new co2 cartridge

Burma says not to store a partly used cartridge in the gun cuz it will leak. Put in a new one and don’t shoot it til you need to.

From what I can tell. These things can fail, but with proper maintenance and training, you can minimize the risk.

I don’t see a malfunction happening that’s related to a semi auto handgun, the byrna doesn’t have a slide that recoils back and it doesn’t chamber a round, also it doesn’t have an ejector. And if it had a squib load it wouldn’t be detrimental as with a firearm

@@MatthewArchey-yz1yx I didn't phrase the question well. I understand the mechanical diff's b/t the two. I was asking if there are failures that can occur [as in] the instances of a semi-auto FA. If one of those pepper rounds exploded in the chamber from the burst of the cartridge... are there odds of that happening? If so what are those odds and are they more or less than a squid's odds? If there is any chance of that I would not get one.

@@jhkindt968 it’s very possible for a pepper ball to break in the barrel. That would NOT likely cause a squib load. But if it burst in the barrel, that’s one less ball you have and it’s also going to affect you because it’s so close to you. Every pepper ball and paintball guns operate alike, in that they’re operated with a bolt of some sort that hits the ball to create pressure to force it out the barrel, breakages happen with $2,000 paintball guns, so it is likely that this $400 pepper gun can and will at some point break a ball or two. Further more, I just wouldn’t trust it. If a bad guy is running toward you and you shoot him with this pepper ball launcher, the ball will break upon impact as it is designed to do, but because your attacker is moving toward you, the “cloud” of pepper fog will just move past him. Honestly, this is all just marketing to get $400 from people by fear mongering them. A $10 can of pepper spray is far more reliable. Or, of course a firearm can be a good tool as well.

Crazy I'm watching star trek the original right now!!! No joke!!

Cool

Are you in the military or law enforcement? Public cannot buy it.

they have a CA/NY kit you order

California favors the criminal

in California tear gas delivery only by aerosol

Leave California while you can. Only criminals and victims live there now.

I was sent them pepper balls and I live in San Diego

The CO2 cartridge is not punctured until you fire the first shot. Until you fire that first shot, the cartridge can stay in the gun indefinitely without leaking.

With mine, I can shoot both magazines and then reload and fire them again with no loss of power. I think about 30 rounds would be pushing it. If you mean how long will the co2 cartridge last if you fire it once and then set it down , the manual says it will take about 36 hours for it to completely leak out.

Someone mentioned Walther

I've had three Byrnas. (One for me, one for my wife, one stoIen out of my stupidly unlocked car.) Great functionality, but in my opinion too big and clunky. They could make it smaller and slimmer. . . I have the new 7-round magazine in my LE with a laser sight. Very intimidating to the perp. Very accurate. Very powerful. I load the first 4 (top) as kinetic rounds. Those are very hard and painful and should deter any bad guy, especially with shots to the chest, neck or face. (Saw a video where a homeowner dozing on his couch shot a 6'6", 300 lb. drunken intruder just once in the knee and put him on the ground until police arrived.) Keep in mind that if you are in a stressful self-defense situation your instinct is going to be shoot everything quickly. If somebody is crazy enough to keep coming after those 4 painful rounds then the rest of my magazine are pepper balls. I've tested them (inadvertently - I was down wind of my outdoor target) and they are completely, instantaneously disabling. . . Keep in mind that Byrna itself is now warning that the pepper ball rounds in the 7-round magazine could fracture from the extra pressure of that magazine. You don't want that stuff in your face or your house. So my advice is to save the pepper balls as a last resort, whether you use the 5- or 7-round magazine.

@@southbirdsouthbird what kind of holster do you have that fits your attachment? a link provided would be appreciated

Once "opened / pierced" the CO2 cartridge will only be useable for a couple of days. HOWEVER if you have an unopened cartridge in the weapon, it will stay ready for use almost indefinitely. This is covered on the Byrna website, the first trigger operation pierces the CO2 cartridge, so you always have your weapon ready for instant use.

it can sit indefinitely until pierced and ready to use

Not worried about being sued in a life threatening situation

if the bystander is closer to the bad guy than you trying to defend yourself from your life being threatened, then bystander has more to worry about than their repsiratory system

Court would hold you responsible, that's way courts work 🤷

May cause jamming. Not good QC on cheap paintball rounds.

Google your towns ordinances, put your towns: name/local ordinances.

Yes, provided they are properly stored at the right temperature.

Can’t fly with them.

Correct

No pepper balls in CA?

In order for the taser to work as described, both probes have to hit and connect to the body. They also have to be at least 4 inches apart when they hit. If not, then it only causes pain. This is why criminals learn to wave their arms in an attempt to break the wires connecting the launcher to the probes. If they break one of the very thin wires, NMI (neuromuscular incapacitation) does not occur.

My understanding is that it doesn't puncture the compressed gas cartridge until you start firing it. So it should last a very long time.

the CO2 cartridge is not punctured until the first shot is fired. You could practice a bunch and shoot as many cartridges as you want, then load a fresh final cartridge when it's time to store the loaded Byrna for your defense.

Don't buy anything like this for her. A pepper spray canister keychain is good. If your wife has no intention of shooting regularly to learn a semi, buy her an easy to use and care for revolver. Face it, women in particular and even many men who haven't the training aren't going to be able to rack the slide in an emergency, clear a jam, change magazines, or anything of the sort. A revolver can sit in her dresser drawer or purse for a hundred years and still shoot. A semi can't do that, the magazine will likely wear out. A revolver has a very heavy trigger - this is super important for safety. Never lighten your trigger save for some competition gun or something. You don't want your trigger to catch on your shirt or love handles and shoot yourself or others. Many people pull out their gun in the car, and try to holster it again afterwards and shoot themselves. You won't notice the trigger in an emergency at all. A revolver takes no training to shoot- aim and fire. It is instinctive. If it doesn't shoot, pull the trigger again. That simple. Nothing can go wrong. I own semis and revolvers, but my wife is little, and will lack the awareness to handle a semi, even if I could get her interest in it. Thus, a revolver bedside gun. For carrying, a ruger LCR, smith 642, or even Taurus models are very well made for concealed carry and are perfect for pocket carry. You can't pocket carry and get a good grip on a semi to draw that as easily as a revolver, in my experience. Easy to wear, as long as you wear pants with a pocket. Or a coat pocket in the winter. Reliability first, then speed of use. The first person who gets a round on target wins the fight, I've heard it said. It is also super important that the gun be light enough that you don't mind carrying it, otherwise you'll leave it at home. For me, I pocket carry a smith 642 or LCR, or belt carry a G43. (replaced the G26 previously) Super light, carry and forget. Never lower caliber than 9mm, you need stopping power. Shield, Hellcat, G43, G26, CZ P10 s/m are all super reliable subcompacts. Avoid the sig - the 320's for the military literally fell to pieces, and the p365 used to have strikers that broke. Reliability first! Cheers

@@TheMMSpirit obliviously I have firearms but she didn't like shooting in the range (my 92x) I thought about that getting her a 32 cal or .380 we can carry a pistol without a permit here and we live in a pro gun state. I appreciate your comment. I agree with you. A gun is better than that also smaller than that and cheaper than that.

@@andrewbrumagen3479 Please don't waste your money on any pocket pistols. They are just plain garbage and are unreliable. Those calibers are weak and don't have enough stopping power to entrust your life to. .380 is a shorter 9mm, sure, but more than 10% weaker. You want something to stop the threat, now. 32 caliber is even worse. I owned an LCP for a time, failure to feed every few shots, and that even after my complaints to the manufacturer who put a new slide and barrel on it. I don't trust that caliber, or pocket pistols AT ALL Sounds like you want your wife to carry something, but small. A taurus revolver can sit in her purse for decades and still fire. Cheap and light. They're fine. Get her a pretty little blue or green one in ultralight, she'll love it. Weighs less than a pound, no different than the pocket guns you're talking about. If she's like my wife, she'll keep it in her dresser drawer anyhow. Then you still don't lose, she'll have something she can use even if panicked and you're not home. 38 special is a good caliber, and I use hornady rounds in mine. Not +P either, never use them in a subcompact. No need to hurt my hands, no need to put extra stress on my gun. Same with my 9mm. I use +P on full sized steel guns, like a ruger GP 100. It can handle the stress. I've been shooting over 40 years now, and bought, traded in, and tried a variety of guns. Every one I still own is carefully considered, and has a purpose. Good luck!