A very good point! Learning to take these risks as a mage would certainly also help there! 😊

I love doing this to make my healer friend panic :)

Haha, when things just go wrong I am pretty sure I've done that on AST as well! 😂

When Tank never weave their mit always lead to healer's multipleweave 😂

That's the spirit! How else will you know what you can get away with! 😄

Better safe than sorry. It's not like you lose anything for making sure you don't miss because the tank decides to move.

Some fights are just boring like that.

The problem is that every time the boss wiggles slightly, you miss your positional.

To add to this a common thing I see melee players doing is standing outside the boss hitbox to hit their positionals. You can hit positionals from within the hitbox as long as you're within the correct quadrant and being closer to center can make it easier for healers to effectively use their aoe heals and not have to give you bandaids specifically. This one is a bit situational though since outside of savage raidwides don't usually hit hard enough that it ever matters

Very good additions yes! I always forget about the arrow position detail, so thank you! And yes not worth using all your cooldowns on a pack that is already essentially dead! 😅

At least you looked cool as you soared off the arena! 😂

Samurai and Bards casually hoping nobody notices when they take their turn dragooning off the platform. Can't count the number of times Hissatsu: Yaten has killed me XD

At least you go backwards, I can't tell you how many times my Hell's Ingress has become Hell's Offgress......

It is interesting when the group is bad, but even I have a limit where it starts to get concerning!

@@CaetsuChaijiCh No limits here! I get to heal so very rarely these days that any excuse to engage in the resource management/timing puzzle that is proper healing is absolutely delightful! It's felt to me for a long time as though the FFXIV devs think healing is "boring" and everyone just wants to deal damage, but for me healing is so much more interesting than damage! Shame it's such a rarity to actually engage with it beyond using the occasional oGCD.

what's really fun is when you go in with a healer and tank friend and you have the mutual trust and consent to just intentionally eat the occasional greed vuln stack because you all know it won't actually cause a death/wipe, AND they get to use the healing CDs they never get to use outside extreme/savage/ultimate

I feel this, yeah it can be fun being a glorified extra DPS but man, I honestly get the good brain vibes when I see the HP bars go up instead of down when healing.

ikr! sometimes when I'm extra bored I may misuse rescue to get an excuse to heal 👀 but honestly as an ast I don't deal much damage, and unlike whm/sge I don't have any other attacks other than the standard kit (eg afflatus misery or toxicon/phlegma);-;

Johnny performed this maneuver FLAWLESSLY

Thank you so much! Yes I believe most of the newest job guides I have are around a year old, and I've had a lot of growth in that time as well! 😄 I really appreciate hearing this! 🥰

Acknowledging a mistake is in a way the first step to improve on it, so that's great! 😊

Indeed! The important part is knowing ahead of time whether it will or will not lose you a usage! 😊

Most aoe can be stepped out of and still maintain close to full or full uptime. You might have to do a ranged attack then gapclose. Don't stand in markers or your healers are going to hate you, and the damage of the overall party is going to be lower since the healer is gonna have to heal when players soak aoe's

@@retzerbil867 I am noticing I can animation lock my attack in while spinning and getting out of the AoE. I think I need to focus more on perfecting that to help keep uptime.

@@aggonee150 not sure what you mean, but weskalber on youtube has an excellent video on uptime and actual uptime. I'd check that out for a general philosophy to follow aswell as a lot of examples

@aggonee150 indeed, it isn't easy, and learning when to run out is a skill itself! Optimally, you'd want to start an attack and then run out, so you can run back in before the gcd is up, but after the boss mechanic is gone. Sometimes, the area of the mechanic is large enough that you have to run sooner, and cannot make it back in, in time. What you can do there is at least use a dash to close the gap, and there you have to make the decision between using a ranged attack, or sit on your gcd for maybe half a second or more, such that you can start melee rotation again faster. The better choice can vary, which is again why it is a skill itself to learn these timings! 😊

I like eureka for practicing classes tbh, I got monk down but it took eureka for it to truly click for me

It's not so much about what's best for a fight, and more about how jobs are structured and multiplicative stacking 😊 However if a fight requires you to be careful about your damage (I believe there is such a mechanic in the epic of Alexander) then I suppose it is POSSIBLE you might not want to click all the cooldowns immediately in that context! For splitting damage buffs to be valuable, you'd need something to somehow make a higher sustained average of damage be better. Less bursty cooldowns and higher filler damage could help this, but multiplicative stacking would still make cooldown stacking better. If you then add something that makes cooldown stacking detrimental instead of beneficial, then we'd get somewhere, but more so by disqualifying stacking, rather than making splitting actually superior 😅 there certainly could be more ways to approach it but I am no game designer! 😊

Thank you! 😊 Yes I can understand how that could happen! I do think you might be fine in even a current extreme if you just give it a chance! You don't have to be perfect for this, not even for savage (although you may have to be pretty good!) I don't know if it helps, but if you try to think of what you need to do as a job in sets, where you match the gcd with the ogcds you need, it might help? 😊

You could get your doggo double pets! 😄

It's a godsent in Savage Raids (especially when I adjusted as RPR lol considering I'm primarily a tank main)

A very good point! To answer the question: it is possible that doing this can reduce the time you spend on bosses, but spending these resources can similarly speed through trash packs faster. And often, dealing with the trash packs more quickly has more value! There's nothing wrong with engaging a boss with resources for one burst, or close to, but saving ALL of it is a bad idea. For example, if you engage the first boss with nearly enough for a melee combo as red mage, you will cast like two volleys and then melee combo, and in an average group, manafication and embolden will me ready or almost ready at this time anyway, so if you had MORE mana than that, you would essentially have this feeling of being overburdened with resources instead! The same can apply to machinist due to barrel stabilizer. For reaper, it can be a bit strange because of how deaths design works. Even trying to use everything, I sometimes get this overburdening feeling because I simply can spend all my soul gauge AND all of my shroud gauge with the intense supply that can happen on trash packs. With that said, the idea is that saving a bit for the boss to get a better re-opener isn't a bad idea, but going full on money goblin on it and hoarding all of it is probably not optimal! 😁

The thing is that AOE damage is magnified the more mobs there are, to the point that if you're maximizing potency dealt over the dungeon (which very roughly equates to clear speed), dumping any resource that can hit multiple enemies is mathematically better than saving it for the boss. THAT SAID there's a ton of nuance here - for instance overkill damage on packs is a potential potency loss, and for single target CDs it's not obvious without making an actual spreadsheet whether using them on a single target is worth it over the horizon of an entire dungeon clear (the answer is, surely, "sometimes", and I'd wager "most of the time" but i could probably write an essay speculating entirely on the potential DPS implications of using mug and DWAD on cooldown against trash). And then there's the question of what the other DPS is doing and if your party buffs are going to sync up if you go ham, especially since your AOE rotation can very subtly affect buff times. All this honestly comes down to "probably just use stuff on CD unless it makes your brain sad because this level of micro-optimization is probably not meaningful outside a dedicated dungeon speedrun group and almost certainly varies dungeon to dungeon, ilvl to ilvl, and party comp to party comp"

@@underdarkness7692 I mean, that first part can be said for any damage you deal at all, the question is whether it saves you time. Mathematically, it approximately evens out for most jobs (burst aoe to burst single target potency ratio is similar to downtime aoe to downtime single target potency ratio), and you end up doing a 2 minute trash pack/1 minute boss or a 1 minute trash pack/2 minute boss (not actual numbers, just as an idea). This part might sound a little odd: while your party's dps is effectively inversely proportional to clear time, your personal DPS is NOT so directly correlated. If you burst down all the trash packs and do less on the bosses, you will have an inflated DPS relative to how much time you actually saved your party. Bang for bang, 1 DPS is worth less in AOE situations than in single target. Your party members that are bursting the boss down will be saving about as much time as you will be, but their dps will not reflect that. So yeah, the mathematically correct conclusion is to use stuff on cd, excluding downtime. The singular exception is rphys, since they have a better aoe to single target potency ratio than other jobs. In some extraordinarily niche optimization, they could end up holding slightly for aoe while the others go single target. Let's do an actual example. Suppose there's a pack of 10 mobs (4500 hp each) followed by a boss (21000 hp). Suppose Alice does 100 dps to each mob in aoe and 200 dps to the boss Suppose Bob does 50 dps to each mob and 500 dps to the boss Then the packs take 30 seconds to kill. Alice does 30000 damage and Bob does 15000. The boss also takes 30 seconds to kill. Alice does 6000 damage and Bob does 15000. Alice did 36000 damage in that minute while Bob only did 30000. So Alice contributed more to the clear time, right? But let's look at what happens when they're alone. Alice takes 45 seconds on the mobs and 105 seconds on the boss, for 150 seconds total. Bob takes 90 seconds on the mobs and 42 seconds on the boss, for 132 seconds total. This is what I mean when I say aoe dps is 1-for-1 less valuable than single-target. Conceptually though, it's equally important to have them both be high. Also note that both Bob and Alice each took over twice as long to clear alone as they did together. Bob's struggling for a lack of aoe just as much as Alice is in single-target.

@@antarath517 i think the thing is that you're assuming burst damage on trash = no burst damage on boss. i think the most my burst has ever been delayed on a boss is 30s, and thats not super common. generally speaking blowing CDs on trash will cost you at most a single off-burst IME it IS possible that having your burst delayed can lead to DPS loss due to boss move timing not aligning with the delay, but generally speaking using CDs on trash slightly delays potency on a boss, not outright removes it. also dungeons take place over multiple encounters, so bursts that dont happen on a boss just get moved to the next trash pack. this is why i said it gets into spreadsheet territory - there's a lot that can go wrong here. killing a mob really fast by blowing single target CDs might be a net time loss, and it's *possible* depending on how long a hallway is or how long a boss death animation is or if the boss has an ability that hard stuns the party etc that using or not using a burst window could cause your CDs to essentially "clip" or "desync" (meaning they come up before they're needed and you have to sit on them until the pack is together - or they come up too late and the pack does in the middle of a burst window). stuff like AOE bosses (e.g. the first boss in Troia, the tank boss in paglth'an), and the converse - big trash mobs (e.g. at the end of the ship section of aetherfront) complicate it too. regardless, i stand by what i say that unless you are *explicitly* attempting to account for things you *know* are gonna happen (like boss kill/field animations, long gimmick mechanics, etc) using burst on CD is most likely to be closer to optimal in most cases. the most common exception i can think of is if you know youre going to get an RDPS/mage LB1 on a trash pack, my intuition is saving burst is probably worth it on said pack.

@@underdarkness7692 I agree with you and I never tried to say otherwise. I simply said that it's not as simple as "more dps = more contribution to clear time" Just burst on CD. It's use it or lose it.

You can use Six-sided Star just before you move away, which both takes twice as long as a normal GCD, and gives you a small speed boost, so you can sometimes stay in longer - Thunderclap can also allow you to skip away in the last moment given the amazing speed it resolves with - and if you are forced away for an extended period, at least you can meditate and then shoot Enlightenment blasts if you can at least get that close! I know all of these are more like bandage solutions, but hey, ultimately stepping away and spamming ranged attacks are sort of a backup plan anyway! ^^

That is also a solution haha!

Miraculous! 😄

Very good advice yes! Forgetting defensive cooldowns can really make you seem a lot squishier than you really are! 😁

Leg Sweep can be handy in high-level dungeons when a trash mob casts an AoE. Stunning the mob can lead to less dancing around, and thus more blasting.

​@@tsbulmer I agree. Throwing away Leg Sweep is inadvisable unless you literally don't fight in anything except trials and raids. But I would assume that's not the case, and most people still run dungeons where stunning is still very relevant for trash.

Sure, eat A vuln stack, but are you eating 6 and then dying to a basic raidwide AOE? For the third time this fight? Because if so you can lay on the floor now, you're a liability and we're doing more damage not raising you.

She isn't always, but she is smiling wide for the camera 😁

Doing better makes content easier, and makes enemies die faster. Most players don't require a meter on the screen outright telling you that you are doing better to know that you are 😊 Ffxiv snapshots when a mechanic hits you differently than wow: often, the time when the mechanic decides to hit you is when the orange telegraph marking disappears, NOT three seconds later when the explosion actually happens. It is almost certainly this that is catching you 😉

As a console player I want to do better because I only play jobs I really like which is SAM and PLD. without a parser I won't know how to squeeze that last couple of % out but I definitely don't need a parser to know I messed up a rotation or mechanic or had downtime on a boss