Can Bilt Hamber Deox-C Save My Rusty Fuel Tank? Honda CB750 Rust Remover Deox-C Review | 32

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3 ай бұрын

Can Bilt Hamber Deox-C Save My Rusty Fuel Tank? Honda CB750 Rust Remover Deox-C Review | 32
In this video, I effectively review Bilt Hamber Deox-C by attempting to de-rust the inside of the fuel tank on my project Honda Cafe Racer CB750, along with a little welding to stop it leaking from pin holes.
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The fuel tank for my Cafe Racer that came with the bike and had already been modified. It has had knee scallops and a neck for a Monza fuel cap welded on to it. I had looked inside and it didn’t have too much rust. It is probably one of the least rusty tanks I have seen on a project bike. But it did have some rust, especially where the welds have been done. I have been told in the past that welded sections on fuel tanks rust quicker than the original tank, and this seems to back that up.
I usually use white vinegar to de-rust tanks, but I have seen a couple of people using a product called Deox-C by a company called Bilt Hamber. I don’t really like the smell of vinegar, so I thought it might be a good idea to try something new. I had been considering using Evaporust, but hadn’t seen it at a reasonable price in the UK, and the Deox-C seemed quite a bit cheaper, so it seems like a great idea.
Bilt Hamber Deox-C comes in powder form, and 1 kg is enough to make 20 litres of de-rusting fluid. They recommend that you use warm water if possible to speed up the reaction, and says that you should immerse rusty items for around 24 hours.
I decided to only make 5 litres for this tank, turning it occasionally to try to make sure that all of the sides of the tank were treated. I think this was a mistake and next time I think I would make enough to completely fill the tank, because I do think I missed some areas even though I did turn the tank quite often.
I checked the inside of the tank with a camera before and after the treatment, and it was clear that the treatment had removed a lot of the rust, so overall I would say it was successful, bearing in mind that I would completely fill the tank next time.
You can re-use the fluid so as long as you can store it, one batch should last some time. Which could make it very cost effective to use. I noticed that the fluid changed colour after use, from being clear to being a yellowy brown colour. I assume it will get darker and dirtier with use and that this would be the guide as to when to dispose of it. As Bilt Hamber say Deox C is biodegradable this shouldn’t be a big problem.
While I was rinsing the tank after the Deox-C review and treatment it became clear that there were a couple of leaks. These were where the welding had been done, and it seemed that when the welds were ground down it left the metal very thin. When we did the new welding on the tank, we ended up not grinding the welds back as much but this will lead to us needing to use more filler when we get the tank ready for paint.
Having seen how thin some of the metal was Young Spanner feels that we should put a liner in the tank. I have never been keen on using a liner, mostly because they are really a problem to get out when they fail. However I have also heard that some people have had good results, and that if a bike is going to get used they can work quite well. It seems only when you leave them to rot for a decade or two that they become a problem. Anyway we are still considering it.
I was hoping that I would get the bike to the point where I could have a ride by now, but due to the welding we had to do that is going to have to wait for a little while longer.
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@YamahaFS1-E
@YamahaFS1-E 3 ай бұрын
There was a catch when flushing the tank out and it was a flippin good one - well done mate 👍😊👍
@SPANNERRASH
@SPANNERRASH 3 ай бұрын
Yes, thanks. Imagine if I had already painted it :)
@bluehazeboy
@bluehazeboy 3 ай бұрын
When you’re satisfied that the tank is free from rust,don’t forget to wash it out with some distilled water otherwise it’ll flash rust within an hour,I learned this lesson the hard way,once it’s done you’ll be fine
@SPANNERRASH
@SPANNERRASH 3 ай бұрын
Yes, flash rust is really annoying. Just when you think you have a good result it goes down hill.
@Dennis-eh2vx
@Dennis-eh2vx 3 ай бұрын
Same story after blasting. You cannot even touch blasted steel or aluminum. Especially because the grease in your hands will cause tiny, invisible and sometimes already visible flesh rust. And flushing the tank out with water will cause flesh rust immediately to and was a bit of shame to do. I should’ve indeed used anodized water. And to spoil your job a bit, apart from the visible brown rust spots on the inside the black ones are still rust to which will turn brown again due pretty fast due to the little bit of water in the gasoline. Lining? If you really want to get it an stays rust free, cut the tank open, blast it, and you will see the weak spots to which you can weld shut right right away. Than weld the two halves together and have it zink electroplated, (galvanized) only the inside if possible. Point is if the outside is galvanized to you will have to grind ore blast it of again. This in order to remove the zinc coating, because paint won’t stick to it in time. Eventually the zink will reject the paint. When the outside is free from paint, tread it with epoxy right away. But taking such a job under consideration I realize it’s quite (labor) intensive. Monster you Guys what call it crazy. But this tank Is quite old, and after this it will last for ever.
@SPANNERRASH
@SPANNERRASH 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the long reply with some golden information. It always comes down to how much work are you willing to do. You have to balance it against what your future plans are. I tend to get projects to a point where they are useable and presentable then loose interested and start with something else. Spending a lot of time future proofing something that will not be in my possesion in a couple of years time might not be a good investment for me. This tank came to me modified in the way it is. Mostly it is in quite good condition I suspect if it hadn't been modified it would have been serviceable for the next twenty years!
@CB750K
@CB750K 3 ай бұрын
I worked at a motorcycle custom/paint shop for a bit. Just a low man on the totem pole, so I was the guy doing the "Creme" tank lining job. The boss sold it as rust prevention, but just keeping the tank full of gas will do that. I've also seen a tanks where old lining was flaking off around the inside of the gas cap, making a real mess. I don't recommend it. (EDIT: Unless there's a good reason.)
@SPANNERRASH
@SPANNERRASH 3 ай бұрын
Thanks. I haven't really seen a good result with liners. but that is mainly because i have only seen failed ones that have been in for years. But there are some people saying they have had good results and do recommend them.
@CB750K
@CB750K 3 ай бұрын
@@SPANNERRASH After watching the newest video, I was reminded of the fact that the tank had been leaking. If there's a good reason to use a tank liner, this is probably it. Look forward to seeing what you decide. :)
@SPANNERRASH
@SPANNERRASH 3 ай бұрын
@@CB750K I am thinking about finding another tank too. But I do like the way that this tank was modified, if only it had been done better.
@Dennis-eh2vx
@Dennis-eh2vx 3 ай бұрын
Actually crazy that you solve rust with water. I have been painting super yachts for several famous people which I can only name the Jobs family of and all the yacht builders over the world know we did that so I can name them to. I was actually really proud to be part of that incredible project back than. But any way, we had some special people who are painting all the water tanks, from graywater till freshwater tanks. But also the petroltanks, what is more like a kerosinething. Now I know that this is not a private custom build yacht ore motorbike but there are simple solutions to protect the fuel tanks and I never understand why it doesn’t happen. Probably a price thing, but it doesn’t have to be that expensive, galvanizing is possible on the inside. Well this was an other example of me making my storie longer than they should. It’s enthusiasm I think. Keep up the good the good work.
@SPANNERRASH
@SPANNERRASH 3 ай бұрын
Hi, very interesting. Galvanising sounds like a good idea, but I can't say I have ever heard of it being offered for motorcycle fuel tanks. There would also be the issue if it was for a classic and the finish need to be retained, but for custom or complete rebuil it would be fine. I do suspect cost comes into it, but when a tank has corrosion on the inside and is quite inaccessable it would probably have to be remanufactured rather than just coated. A good dose of enthusiasm goes a long way :)
@robbateman7987
@robbateman7987 3 ай бұрын
Use hot on my bolts, medium rusted tanks i tend to use white vinegar 20 litres for about a day. washout with mild detergent, dried with meths and air line followed by wd40 or a stale petrol and oil mix, have plenty from the restorations.
@SPANNERRASH
@SPANNERRASH 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Rob. I have used vinegar and even molasses in the past, but this stuff doesn't stink! :) What do you think about liners?
@chrisrawle2967
@chrisrawle2967 3 ай бұрын
Citric acid works very well. Cheap to buy in powder form. Stronger than vinegar but not too harsh
@SPANNERRASH
@SPANNERRASH 3 ай бұрын
Good advice. I have used Citric acid in the past as well, love the smell!
@scottcates
@scottcates 3 ай бұрын
A final rinse with high-percentage alcohol (iso, methanol, etc.) works well for quickly drying out a recently derusted tank.
@SPANNERRASH
@SPANNERRASH 3 ай бұрын
Thanks. I don't tend to have alcohol to hand, so I have tended to rinse it with a heaveri fuel oil to hold the rusing back.
@blackline66
@blackline66 3 ай бұрын
White Vinegar mate … throw small nails washers etc in and swill around …. Look here too ….. YT …. Dave just uploaded a video Bon a Honda tank…. Common problem with Ethanol fuel……. Obsession Engineering.
@SPANNERRASH
@SPANNERRASH 3 ай бұрын
I love Dave Hewson's videos and magazine articles. If you look back at our earlier videos you will see we have used vinegar, and even had a go at electrolysis :) The benefit with Deox C is that it doesn't smell, at all! And it is reuseable. I suspect vingar would be, but I have never wanted to store it.
@cq44b
@cq44b 3 ай бұрын
Great video, however seeing that tiny leak made me think I wouldn’t trust it even after a repair, how easy is it to get a replacement tank ,even that might be 50 odd years old and not be much better. Good luck.
@SPANNERRASH
@SPANNERRASH 3 ай бұрын
It's a conundrum. I do like the shape of the tank, but it is worrying. That is why I am considering using a liner.
@ChazFryerExtreme
@ChazFryerExtreme 3 ай бұрын
POR do a paint for the inside of tanks that coats and fills holes.
@SPANNERRASH
@SPANNERRASH 3 ай бұрын
Thanks.
@bobfrankish8883
@bobfrankish8883 3 ай бұрын
Hi. I've been using the deox c for a long time now, and it is really good stuff, no mistake. However, sometimes immersion and contact with the rust is not enough for complete removal, some mechanical abrasion, e.g. a brass wire brush, is necessary to remove the dark coating and expose more rust underneath. if you persevere with it though, you will end up with 100% rust free steel. Unfortunately there is a down side with everything, this being that the process it uses is called chelation, and this leaves the steel in a state where it flash rusts incredibly quickly. I once left some bolts that were like new when they came out of the solution for about 3 days, and they looked just as bad as they used to. The rust came off easily with a wire wheel, but I feel you will need to do something with the tank pretty quickly.
@SPANNERRASH
@SPANNERRASH 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info. Flash rust is a demon. Just when you think you have it cracked it sneaks up on. I think I may need a bit of mechanical abrasion on the next tank that I am planning to do. :)
@andreokazaki14
@andreokazaki14 3 ай бұрын
I would hesitate to put a liner in your tank. My experiences over the years have not been good ones. Depending on the liner and the preparation, the results can be bad from day one. The unknown is the fuel that goes in your tank. You and I have exchanged thoughts on modern fuel in the past, and the one unknown factor is the liner's compatibility with the rubbish that is being passed off as fuel. I seriously doubt that it will improve in the foreseeable future. The concern that I have is the additives and the ethanol content are constantly evolving. A liner that works today, may be damaged with the next round of changes. When I do a full restoration to any motorcycle, I will search for a clean tank rather than add a liner. I am sure there are good reliable products on the market. I just can't help but wonder if any liner will be able to withstand the changes to fuel additives in the near future.
@SPANNERRASH
@SPANNERRASH 3 ай бұрын
It's a really good point, about changes with fuel in the future. My experience of liners is always when they have failed in the tanks of bikes I have bought, and to be honest if the tank wasn't scrap, I have mangaged to use the tanks without replacing them. This is the first tank where we have actually done some welding to repair it. We think that the welding that has been done before was ground down making parts of the tank very thin. We found more leaks as we tested after welding, which did surprise us and knocked our confidence in the tank. Therefore we thought we should investigate liners before giving up on it.
@cozydram1
@cozydram1 3 ай бұрын
Nothing ventured and all that 'go 4 it'
@SPANNERRASH
@SPANNERRASH 3 ай бұрын
It is always worth trying something new. And when you see others that you respect using it, even better.
@cabovermike
@cabovermike 3 ай бұрын
Whats that tank off ? k2 or the super sport ?,. i would tank seal it, unless you want to give mrs spannerash a new kitchen sieve ! ,.would brazing the tank leaks be better ? my thoughts when you filed the tank "did he shut the fuel tank off" ? i would use whats left of the tank cleaner and brim it and leave it for few days to finally clean it out and find any more leaks,.i dont know if body filler is any good at stopping leaks, but that tanks going to need plenty, like me i bet youve seen loads of adds on YT for miracle leak stopping products, maybe apply some of that stuff pre painting,. cheers,.
@SPANNERRASH
@SPANNERRASH 3 ай бұрын
It was modified when I got it. I think it is proably a Super Sport, but I really don't know. The parts that have been welded previously have been ground back so that the metal is very thin.. We are pretty sure that all of the leaks have been welded now, but expect that the thin metal may spring leaks in the future. I wouldn't normally use a liner, but I think I may have to with this one.
@davehalst
@davehalst 3 ай бұрын
Interesting video. Where’s the Teslong link? 🤔😅
@SPANNERRASH
@SPANNERRASH 3 ай бұрын
Apologies I missed that, I'll add it to the description but here you go mate. Good camera, I recommend it!: www.amazon.co.uk/Inspection-Teslong-Endoscope-Waterproof-Borescope/dp/B0C1BD1HCM?&_encoding=UTF8&tag=alexandermo0f-21&linkCode=ur2&linkId=83daf8156b6ee34d32312bc1d19e2852&camp=1634&creative=6738
@gamingroomguru
@gamingroomguru 3 ай бұрын
You ever thought about buying a tesla?
@SPANNERRASH
@SPANNERRASH 3 ай бұрын
Not for a moment, but with the second hand market dropping like a stone it might be mad not to soon. 😆
@Firedancer100
@Firedancer100 3 ай бұрын
Ethereum 🏍️
@SPANNERRASH
@SPANNERRASH 3 ай бұрын
Try investing in something more fun, like old bikes. Much less stressful too. 😆
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