Speaking as a former Army medic, I can tell ya that an .80 caliber hole that deep ain't no joke. Wouldn't hesitate a second to use them in my 1911's or Glock 21. Great test as usual. 👍

Those recovered bullets look absolutely wicked. I would not feel undergunned carrying that ammo.

I carried this round for over 20 years. Just switched back to 9mm at work a couple months ago. I can tell you from experience it works on people, deer, and dogs. I have been to two autopsies involving that round and it is devastating . I say this prior to watching the video, lol. I still carry it in my 1911. I have saved up some rounds from over the years. I carried it in a HK USP and 2 SW MP.

Expansion notwithstanding, im impressed with the SPEED on those boys 950+ is screamin for a 230 grain! Especially when most +P loads are also a little bit lighter, like maybe 185 grain, and they still dont achieve that Props to ole Winchester on that one

I'm totally satisfied with these. In either my 5" and 3.5 1911

That velocity from the 4.25" Commander is truly +P and an impressive achievement. I would gladly carry these. These seemed A rated to me, whereas getting perfect symetrical expansion might earn the A+. However, the small imperfection might be cause for a combined Awesome Expansion + Tumble Upon Impact might equate to a better self defense outcome than "perfect." 👍👍 for an incredible test and Public Service Announcement, Tools. Enjoy the weekend and don't forget it is Mothers Day.

This is the duty ammo I carried twenty years ago in my department issued Sig220. Less than two weeks after completing my FTO training I found myself in a pursuit and gunfight with a meth dealing POS that was supposed to have been deported the previous month. He bailed out shooting at me with a Jennings 9mm wearing a heavy Carhartt coat and flannel shirt. I responded in kind with results that were about the same as your jelly test…though they did make him quickly reconsider his life choices. I fired from about 8 yards with round #1 lodging in his esophagus, #2 in his left deltoid, and #3 which was intended for his skull (fresh out of the academy and countless 2 to the chest, 1 to the head drills) in the tree that stopped his truck after the TVI (PIT). The experience led me to buying with my own money and carrying for the duration of my career a Sig226 then later a Sig229 when I transition to plain clothes both in 357sig with the 125gr Ranger T Series ammo (which thankfully I never had to use) however, judging by your other videos had I been carrying the 357 instead of the 45 that night I suspect the end result would have made the jobs of the EMS and the ER folks more of a challenge.

Still end up with a big, nasty, gnarly, jagged bullet. This would jack things up pretty bad if used. Thank you sir. We choose HST +P 230 in our 45s.

Always nice to see good .45ACP testing. I don’t have a .45 but is nice to see how the ammo performs and what you are paying for no matter what test. Keep up the good work. Have a good weekend and be safe. 🇺🇸🇺🇸⭐️🇺🇸🇺🇸

Those are the exact round that my Sheriffs Department issued with the Glock 21. I carried them until I retired. They worked very well in the shootings we had.

Remember, a 9mm may expand, but a .45 will never shrink.

I carried this round with confidence for 10 years or so before switching to HST. Anyway, awesome video as usual. CHEERS!

Always good to see 45acp tests. I would carry them if I had 'em. I usually carry Federal Punch or Hornady Critical Duty 45acp. Good test brother 👍🏻🇺🇸

As always; tremendous review! Thank you for all of your PSA's....

Always appreciate your work Tools 👍

Very good test, I'd take this consistency everyday! I may have to get a box of these, Thanks T! Appreciate you as always Sir!

I was expecting a little more speed. Love the clean gel. You’re the best Hoss.

Interesting test Tools. I'm surprised that the shorter barrel performed somewhat better than the longer faster gun. Then you pulled the bullets out and it's clear neither performed the way they should have. You have to wonder what they would do and look like if they performed the way you'd expect. But in the long run I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of these. Have a great weekend. Be vigilant and always be safe my friend.

I like how you addressed the clothing layer issue and I think that I have to agree that you are right in your conclusion.

I’m very happy with that performance. I carry these in my Sig C3. You improved my confidence in my carry ammo. Thank You!

Those would definitely do the job. Great video, as always, brother.

Ain't that something how when you were testing in the bare gel we all thought that these were the cats meow, now that you are testing consistently with the cloth we see the real picture in not only these but several different offerings as well. I thought the +P would have made a bit more of a difference than it did before you started, now like you said looking at the big picture these did ok and would certainly get the job done no doubt about that. Have a good one brother see you on the next one.

E sempre bom ver testes de 45acp, parabéns pelo vídeo. Ótimo final de semana para você

My Father being a WW2 vet made it very clear to me what caliber I should carry. Of course this advice is back in the late 80’s now I carry a 9mm.

great test and i always liked black talons and these upgraded version too. thanks my friend, good job.

Good test, it really performed better than almost any .45 ACP I've seen.

Thanks. You know I love me some .45 +p and super!

Love the channel and content tou provide. Its much appreciated. Any chance you have bloopers ? Maybe put them at the end of your videos ?

Great test ! My favorite caliber

950 and 970 from a 230 gr bullet is pretty impressive out of a handgun !

Thanks for another great ammo test. Over the decades, I have purchased the original Winchester Black Talon ammo and the Winchester Bonded JHP ammo which was similar in performance to the original Black Talon. Loved them both. If I can find the Winchester Ranger T-Series +P ammo that you tested, I will buy it.

Tools- it seems everytime I get a new gun- you know somehow and test ammo for it. I picked up a nice used Colt 1991 A1 - 4 1/4 " Combat Commander a few days ago. Got it from my neighbor for a heck of a price. And just this morning I ordered 2 new standard 18# springs and a 20# spring to use with Plus P rounds. So far I've bought some American Eagle FMJ 230gr and a box of Winchester Defend 230gr hollow points. I'm planning on trying some Plus P in her when I get the new springs in. Anyway, great video like always. I appreciate all the time and work you put into doing these test.

It’s really hard to find this ammo. It’s never ever on the shelf in the gun shops. At least here in the Tampa Bay Area where I live. Trying to find it online isn’t easy either. I have found it but the sites require LE creds and I’m an RN not an leo. Great work as always man. Thanks for all the work you put in for us fudds out here.

I hardly ever get my .45 out (Colt 1911) it's kind of a safe queen but if I did decide to carry it I don't think I would be afraid to use these. Good test, nice info to know, Thank You, keep up the good work.

I love those wrap around wood grips. 😌

It's "My wife is going through the finances and is asking uncomfortable questions, jelly time"!

🇦🇺😎👍Love those 1911s ❤ love those 45s….nasty disrupter ….i wonder if they’d open up better with a longer barrel out of something like a Thompson Contender ? 🤔 Wow those projectiles are messed up …imaging pulling them out of the flesh 😟..great video mate 😎have a fantastic weekend

I agree , it's difficult to find a consistent or adequately expanding .45acp round. Most , regardless of brand , tend to perform like fmjs' . For that reason I find myself carrying my .45s' less and less . Like you said , these seemed to be the best of the lot .Thanks T&T , these test can literally be "life-savers" !

The Tools and Targets recipe for KZfaq gun video success: 1. W’sup y’all in friendly redneck style accent 2. Weather report from the range. 3. Ammo and guns being used 4. Speed testing via chronograph. 5. “It’s (insert clever saying about the caliber or theme to the ammo test) jelly time!! 6. Close up/slow-mo footage of ammo hitting gel block. 7. Absolutely de-pants the ammo or praise it like it’s a fat kid who just hit a homerun at his tee-ball game depending on its performance. 8. Wrap up with sponsor promo and thanks to supporters and remind folks to like and subscribe! 9. Catchy salutation and sign-off. 🥃🥃

Thanks for the test! Ive heard these supposedly work better in flesh than gel,but I'd rather ammo that's not so picky.

Not bad ammo. I would carry either for EDC. Especially knowing how 45 can do. Thanks for the video. Have a good weekend.

Loaded to 45 Super velocities they are devastatingly perfect!

This is what I carry at work in my glock 21, except in the plus p version

Great test, Brian! It is amazing how much difference there is between bare gel and the heavy clothing! Althpugh both of these would get the job done very effectively, the inconsistent expansion is a bit worrysome. Personally, I'd like to another 25 fps on both of them but at least these were a bit of jump from the standard pressure loads. If I were out of the Underwood ammo I would carry these with confidence. Maybe a bit less than if I had my regular ammo, but I wouldn't be too worried about them not doing their job. A good back up to my regular stuff! Cheers, jc

Dang, if that’s a failure I’d be happy to be called a loser.

Very nice placement in the gel 🙌🏻

A lot of legends in the old days like black talon, Glaser safety slug, Corbon, silvertips, duplex rounds etc. But 4:13 honestly they did perform well for the times.

Nothing gets your attention like looking down the barrel of 45acp.

LAPD’s S.I.S unit carried this round in their Glock 30’s for years, maybe they still do, and was very happy with it’s performance

Love these videos... Cool video Tools

I'd hate to be on the business end of them, Thanks Brian, have a stellar weekend. 👍

Lately in my 1911 ive been carrying Sig 230 gr v crown because there the most accurate load ive found that hits point of aim in my 1911.. im not sure how well they perform in gel but there really accurate.. i also got some 230 grain hydra shoks recently i was going to see if they hit point of aim because if they do they will probably be my new 45 ACP carry ammo.. I usually prefer gold dot or HST but haven't been able to find them in 45 ACP in my local area recently so I settled for the V crowns and Hydra shoks even though I do have some 45 HST put back

Good test THANKS !!!

Thanks for the test.

Ranger T's are my go to in just about every caliber. I carry the 9mm in my Walther, .40 in my M&P40 and the 45 in my 1911

Great test sir! Idk why Winchester doesn't make the 230gr. Ranger sxt anymore? The cavity is larger and the front of the bullet is flatter. The Talons are smaller but much sharper and the ranger sxt have no problem with heavy clothing. I was involved in an officer involved shooting in 2000 with the 230gr. S.P. ranger-sxt. The suspect was a BM, very large and musculer wearing a white tank top & was high on Marijuana,pcp and crack cocaine, armed with a long barreled 22.revolver. I was carrying the glock 21. I fired 2 times. The first round bowed him straight up and back striking him in the low chest, it sounded like slapping ur hand on a side of beef because it was a 20yard shot and a standard pressure round we all heard it hit. The suspect still had the gun in his hand as he backpeddled so i fired again striking him in the abdomen, he made a horribly sounding squeal as he was falling down backwards and deliberately threw the gun down. He starting death posturing almost instantly. Neither bullet hit a vital organ but both rounds opened fully with slight jacket core separation and were cut out of his back on autopsy. They cracked him open on scene in the back of the ambulance and it was a mess full of blood internally so there was nothing emsa could do to help. There wasn't much blood externally ,it was mostly internal bleeding. It was determined the full penetration and expansion of both rds.and added cutting from the very sharp talons that killed him so quickly. I have 1 box left and thats what i carry as a retired Major in my full size 1911 45.

That round is a great candidate for a 16 inch bbl carbine test.

I could use an overview to clarify which of these post-Black Talon styles have rocked, and which ones tanked.

Working in EMS saw a lot of gun shots,45 apc is a killer..

informative and entertaining......as usual! Thanks. ( do you really like that Rock Island??)

Either way I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of them. Another great video brother tools.

👍👍thanks tools…..another great test

Great review

NOW THAT'S A SPICY MEATBALL!

The loading QC is incredible. Wish all ammo pressure was that consistent

I like the clothing, and really like the 1911/2011! 45acp especially!

You noted that these were older versions of the cartridge; the newer ones having more petals. Perhaps that is to address the issue of not fully expanding. Smaller petals might expand more. Regardless, based on your test, I would feel comfortable carrying these. Another good video!

that 4.25 in barrel is way better than I thought, and this comment is before the 5 in, stopped the video at 5:25.

The best performance you’ll get out of a 45acp and honestly any other handgun caliber , in my humble opinion is from the xtreme defender lines . More people need to know about these . You never have to worry about your projectile expanding correctly or incorrectly due to inadequate speed or getting clogged . Please do some test comparing those rounds to the best of the best hollow points out there , I’d gladly buy you a box of pew sticks if you did sir

Another great test! I would carry them for same reasons.

At least you hold the ammo companies accountable. Gives everyone a good choice for carry.

The performance was good even with the bullets not completely expanding. If WW ever tweeks the Ranger line to be consistent it’ll be nasty. Thanks for the jelly test Tools!

Not ideal...but still within the FBI requirement's. I have seen Ranger-T available online at relatively good price's for 50 round boxes. I know they have fairly solid reputation for barrier penetration. Still a completely viable round for self-defense IMO.

Cool video thanks.

I got a box of this ammunition when my police department switched to the 124 grain +P SXT. We had a case of this ammunition in 230 grain +P SXT from the Winchester Rep. The T-Series came after the SXT. The joke was this replaced the Black Talon so the SXT is the same exact thing! The SXT is a devastating round!

Another great video!

Can we get some ak soft points vs like a hornady polymer tip ??

I got a couple boxes of the black box 45 ranger t ammo love them

Nice video. I'm not a fan of the flying ashtray, but they would do the job

Another great jelly test Brotha , I wouldn't hesitate to use these as they are as imperfect as I am .. lol

Watching from Oregon

Awesome!!❤

They look good.

Not perfect but not bad either. I would love to see this vs the platinum tips which are the same newer black talon but for 44mag

old content but a word about Black Talons. it was pressure from people that had no idea what the black talon were like. It was all rumor. Those that didn't know thought they could "shred" body armor. Untru rumors ofdoctors complainiung aabout the "talons" Black Talon was a nice round, superior to a great many on the market at the time.

I appreciate your reviews. Before all these I'd thought the ranger t would be amazing. The more I see them against the clothing barrier the more I don't like them.

Not bad performance at all...thanks for the testing, brother. I do prefer 230 grain bullets in 45 ACP (especially in the 1911 platform), but I have come to think 200 grain hollow points at +P velocities stand a much better chance of reliably and fully expanding from the short barrels that are in vogue while still penetrating sufficiently. I just don't like the added muzzle flash and the fact they usually have a significant shift in POI vs. the 230s.

The expansion does look a little funny but it's still gonna hurt Haha ha

Great video

They look extremely gnarly, all twisted and mangled, so many cutting surfaces. Even if they "failed" the heavy clothing they are still big .80 bullets that went to the deep end, doesn't need to be a full inch picture petfect star to get it done.

A friend of mine shot a guy in the chest at about 10 feet with one of those. He said he thought he missed because the guy did not move just stood there he made sure his 1911 had chambered another round then he began to walk toward the guy the person shot then fell dead the bullet did not go thru. The reason he shot the man he had hit my friend with a machete. It was winter he had a jacket on no damage from the machete the guy refused to put it down and was readying to swing again

The rounds may not have expanded perfectly however 100+ fps faster then MilSpec ball is impressive.

Agree with permanent clothing barrier, but can I suggest perhaps occasional (seasonal) tests that explore expansion through winter type clothing? An "insulated leather jacket" setup, on top of rugby shirt fabric would be interesting, as would a typical deer hunter kit out for a 20 degree morning.. Or maybe a down jacket, preferably NorthFace (snooty), over a tie die material with an anti-gun slogan on it. A lot of rounds are making it now, gotta raise the bar to separate the the contenders from the pretenders.

So that .45 ACP is double the mass of a single 9MM 115Gr? That’s awesome.

Good test . But what no one brings up is the energy transfer. And it looks like both of these rounds had plenty of energy transfer.

You need a 3 inch 1911 like the colt defender or kimber ultra carry in 45acp.

Very cool

That'll do nicely.

Good test Tools still pretty good ammo not the best but still usable.

Certainly doesn't match the Gold Dot or HST 230 loads for symmetry, but those are pretty freakin gnarly. Can't imagine them not accomplishing their intended purpose.