Including Harry Metcalf who did a good European stint in his.

Well, there are some concerns about it. If you live in a smaller country, there is nowhere to service the car. Porsche has service / dealer centers literally everywhere. So, it is not a car for the masses.

I have the car in order and im gonna say this what he said (not all) but majority of it true, we see Emira much better car cause we compare it to Evora, I driven Emira, its magnificent car for the road, I know im gonna love it, but I cant say its better than a Cayman or M2, I perosnally owned already a cayman GTS and have GT4RS in order as well, Emira to me is an alternative car to the market than actually going to be the best, Cayman was well known before Emira comes its unbeatable, M2 delivers totally different driving experience while aiming for same market as Cayman hence it can be at the top, Emira however its close to a Cayman type of car so kinda hard to make it best drivers car in the segment, its hard to pick it as a the benchmark and for 2 reasons: 1. Powertrain 2. Gearbox its just outdated, it works, it does its job, it have nice feel, nice sound..... but this segment have cars that exceeds "it works" this and that, with proper powertrain/gearbox combo this car then might actually be giving Cayman hard time, and here comes I4 engine however Cayman already had great I4 with great PDK that didnt deliver the experience of a Flat 6 so how will I expect Emira to beat it? So how will an Emira beat a Cayman? one way only: Looks + Interior cause a Cayman still a 10 year old car in reality that got refreshed, however the engine/gearbox combo in Porsche just miles ahead, and these 2 things for me makes over 50% of the car in this segment, im hoping Lotus does some magic into AMG M139 engine but if not sorry I dont think it can be up there with a Cayman, this V6 became the main downside of the car after solving other issues.

@@TRX25EX Aside from the Porsche GT cars, the lower spec cars (particularly the Boxter/Cayman segment) are aimed at the masses just like the Emira. And subjectively speaking, a think the Emira would win on looks and and exclusivity. The driving dynamics are obviously important but for the masses, a very good (but not amazing) drive, coupled with a stunning exterior is a winning combo.

@@SkyrimCZtutorials Honza, there is a great LOTUS service in Czech Republic :-) Good team, nice people around the brand in CZ. Porsche is great but too elitist.

The production numbers are an indicator to why that is, and he doesnt allocate for depreciation when mentally valuing a car.

Lol Tony chats shit every week, this is not news. I only watch to see how he contradicts himself and proves how little he actually knows about cars

I would 100% buy an Emira over an M2

Agree. Tony’s lack of knowledge is obvious

Your right, he has his on bias and even if you showed him the statistics, on valuations compared to boxers and caymans he still won’t believe you!

i agree, lotus’ have carried there value better during normal market conditions than their respective gt4 counterpart. that might be due to production numbers which is a good sign i think. M2’s seem to be for a certain type of person, but I don’t think they should be compared with because the person who would buy an M2 would never touch a Lotus and vice versa, even for the same money. Along with the manual supra however i believe that’s in a different price bracket. This being the last combustion engine lotus too i think they’ve done it perfectly, more heavy sure but it’s still relatively pure and raw. considering some of the new cars were seeing now this is a standout. I think they nailed it

@@fintan. More heavy then Evora yes but also faster around track due to wider track and better areo 👍

You’ve made the right choice in my opinion! I reckon the Emira i4 will be a great tourer too. More supple suspension, more accessible power, better fuel consumption - I’d rather be in that than a GT3 on most occasions, honestly.

Yeah but to be fair, having a Porsche badge would instantly fix a few issues with the car, such as future values

​@@cirrus393 The limited edition and special Porsches go up in value or hold their value, like the GT3 etc; but a regular Cayman, 911 or Boxster, depreciates more than a Lotus. At four years old, Exiges have only lost a few thousand over new, whereas a Cayman will have lost about £10k (I just checked Lotus and Porsche approved used websites to confirm this). At ten years old, a Cayman is in the early £20k range, whereas Evoras of that age are only just dipping under £30k, with most going for more (I just checked Pistonheads to confirm this). My 2004 Elise, which I sold in 2010, is actually worth the same now as when it was new, despite being a regular model.

@@cirrus393 Lotus values have always been strong, look at evora prices and even elise prices. A complete non issue.

@@Maurice_Moss Except the Emira is a very different car. As Tony points out it's a car designed for the masses, not for the niche enthusiasts like the Evora and Elise...

No

exactly. The Emira isn't competing directly against the GT4. The Emira competes with the Cayman GTS 4.0 which IMO is kind of a boring looking car. The emira looks far better and more exotic. The G87 M2 is also very ugly and very heavy, something like 3800+ lbs. Does the M2 really compete with an Emira? The Supra is the best looking BMW sports car and is somewhat lightweight but it's a pretty noticeable step down in price / experience from an Emira Between a Cayman GTS 4.0 and an Emira, I'd rather have the Emira. In america, the Emira is actually slightly cheaper when considering options, looks better and has similar driving dynamics. I'd rather have a GT4 over an Emira, but that's 20 to 40k USD more expensive than an Emira

No chance😂

@@nerowolf8006 agree I have an m2 and lotus isn’t completing with it, the m2 is my only car, I have to fit golf clubs in it, take rubbish down the tip, cart friends around etc. The lotus is a mini super car imho, if I had regular access to another car I’d be very interested in the lotus, it looks beautiful 😻 I’d rather have an Emira than a GT4, just based on the looks it would feel more special and get more attention imho

As the owner of a manual M2 Comp my shortlist for the replacement was Emira, Cayman GTS 4.0 or new M2. After driving an Emira I am tending to the new M2 - although I am a bit worried about the looks. IMO the Lotus looks stunning and the interior is lovely - so much nicer than the Cayman. It is good to drive but for me no better than my M2 Comp so it becomes a choice between the spectacular looks of the Emira versus the practicality and predictability of the M2.

@@TimChump for sure, the M2 is a much better daily and has fairly usable back seats. I daily an old F22 m235i and its pretty good for that

Harry is an old man

@@moimoi4725 And?

@@RAZGR1Z he does have a point, Emira is sort of "new car" for the "old driving style" guys which Harry prefers, not that Im saying his opinion wont matter or something, he is amazing guy and one of best reviewers infact, but his opinion will be more towards an Emira than a Cayman or M2 type of cars.

100% and the Emira is FAR from being for the driving experience since that was the Evora GT, Elise and Exige.

100% agree. People just seem to want the Porsche GT products and are convinced they’re the best thing in the world. Badge snobbery always comes into it at some point!

Mine is available for any KZfaqr looking to make this comparison vs Emira... would be interesting because the series 1 Evora seems to be a bit forgotten/overlooked and it was less raw than the later Evoras.

Tony was making out that the lotus has got apple carplay and android auto, but in a Ferrari you have to pay extra for that option 🤦🤦

I drove both Evora GT and Emira, I dont know about other guys but main thing I noticed is refinement overall, the noise control, the ride quality, the seats feel, the steering feel, the seating position and visibility, when adding all together it actually made bigger difference than I expected, the throttle response even seemed more suitable now. to me Emira is no brainer over Evora even though I liked Evora but Emira does seem like an All new Evora than actually an Evora underneath with new looks over it like majority say, gearbox seemed smoother and easier to operate in Emira also, I wont say night and day difference but adding it all it actually does seem totally new car.

Nice, I’d love to try a late Evora, I think the GT is the US run-out somewhere between a GT410 sport and a GT430. I think the point here is the Emira is often being compared to the more stripped out & raw later Evoras, but the earlier series 1 Evora is perhaps a more interesting comparison to judge Lotus by because it’s got more sound deadening, a different interior and (with a few minor upgrades) a similar level of kit.

Thank you! Finally someone with sense. Tony isn't a car enthusiast at all, he's just a narcissist who needs a car to be brand new otherwise he's not interested. The fact he bleats on about cars being crap if they're not a latest porsche or Ferrari is tiring. Sam is a true petrolhead

Spot on

@C J B yeah I hate that these points are glossed over for stuff like Porsche but when it comes to stuff like lotus it’s “poor build quality, unreliable, no tech etc”

I can see your point. But I think the Cayman is a more classic, beautiful design. Just my view. I suspect the Lotus won’t age as gracefully and there’s something I can’t quite get past. That is that it looks like a toy (wannabee) Ferrari. Maybe a bit harsh, it’s a great looking car….but hopefully you see my point.

Lol especially a Chinese company with British background with German or Japanese engine…..globalisation

@@josephjewellers wait, did geely bought louts or which other Chinese company own share of it?

@@thebuddhasector9493 GEely bought the company

Shed loads? They will sell minuscule numbers in comparison to the rivals.

You are 100% correct. IMO, it's too expensive, but the fact is people are still lining up to pay list, and as you say, some people are still willing to pay overs.

​@@-LK34- they've sold over 7000 on pre orders

​@@nigel.w cheaper than a Cayman GTS specced to the same level

@@TheHesK9 Cayman GTS 4.0 has a vollblut engine, which puts the car in an altogether different league.

Same here! 👍

Yes, I had my 2-Eleven for three years and sold it for £2k less than I bought it for, with no bills at all other than fuel. I had my Elise for 8 years and had one breakdown with a reasonable fee to fix it. Both cars are now worth what I paid for them on the secondhand market, and both were astonishingly good to drive.

They are bloody brilliant aren't they? I chose my 410 over a GT4 and have not regretted it for one minute. I don't get the Emira comparison to a GT4, it's not aimed at a GT4. Hopefully a more hardcore Emira will come later on down the line.

Would be awesome if they made a targa emira, but considering that they never made a topless Evora maybe they won’t

The Emira GT4 looks great tbf! Shame it’s track only

Agreed.

@@RatedH1 I’m talking about cayman GT4, not emira GT4

@@maxvinzi i know. That’s why i specified Emira GT4

@@RatedH1 ahhhh ok

What you call "throwing curveballs" most people say is simply talking out of his arse as usual

Same with the V8 M3 numb steering.

Yes, I've enjoyed all the M cars I've driven and they're all been better than the standard cars in most areas related to driving enjoyment, but I can't say I've ever experienced a step change from a normal 3, 2 or 5 series. What's portrayed on the forums and in many magazines is that the M2 is equivalent to a Cayman or Evora, and a normal 2 series is equivalent to a Focus or Civic, which I find totally bizarre. From the seat of my pants at least, a 2 series drives quite a bit better than most other cars of that size (it's got a totally different layout, for starters), an M2 is a bit better than that with better suspension setup, diff etc; and a Cayman or Evora is a sports car with a whole different focus. This to me seems totally logical from an engineering point of view. Don't dare ever say that on a forum though! 😀

As a Cayman driver the Emira is very attractive - about 400HP - better gearing and great looks. Cayman does have better storage - which in the back does not get hot and in the front (I can do weekly shop for 4 people) - whereas the Emira its behind the seats. The 4 pot Mercedes engine is probably the one that competes with the 718 - the 6 pot is like the Cayman GTS. Long gearing - dumb move by Porsche.

If the new Cayman/Boxster is EV only, not only will they loose more customers then they will gain, the value of all current models will increase dramatically.

So many great points in this comment.

😂😂

That's your price, huh? That's all it takes for you to surrender to China?

IMO, as soon as you're at the top end of the Cayman range with the 4L six, any comparison with the Emira is only of interest value. On the other hand, the AMG-powered Emira should blow away the four-cylinder Caymans.

@@nigel.w true. The emira still isn’t the full package the cayman offers but it is mighty close.

Oh. what a surprising take. I hope Geely goes bankrupt. Well, your take is not that surprising as you also favor Volkswagen. At least Volkswagen isn't Chinese though.

The Emira is nothing like the Evora 400/GT...just different look but heavier and slower.

@@moimoi4725 Basically an Evora in drag so it is something like an Evora...a detuned, more comfortable, more modern, more liveable Evora that has wider appeal. There will almost certainly be a more powerful, hardcore version for the Lotus faithful.

It's a couple hundred pounds lighter.

why dont they keep communicative steering of the evora in electric car? prius weighs around as much as evora emira the steering and pedals that push back more, would encourage less over powering and over braking , less friction steering, and itd make it fun way to keep drivers attention on road, and it will probably not use as much power to exist despite possibly a increase in weight

im talking the new prius 2023, 0-60 mph in 7 , look at thoose thin tires.

In my mind (albeit iam 57) anything car with over 300bhp is a sports car.

It is heavier and slower than the last standard Evora 400. But it is still a relatively light and powerful car

Yep that's a factor. Hence no one talks about corvette c8 in UK as no dealer network

Totally agree. Evora isn’t a compromise unless you can’t live without multiple cup holders and lane assistance. In which case you shouldn’t be looking at a Lotus!!

Most recent GT86 205 hp , GR86 228 hp don't think that's 40-50, just saying. 😉

@@FazermanD you should compare dyno numbers :)

Thats in the midrange , peak whp it has 25 hp more

@@FazermanD that’s what the manufacturer claims. How about you check to see what these engines actually put out on real-life dynoes