Can You Manage Large Setlists in Arrangement View?

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Some people think Session View eats Arrangement View’s lunch when it comes to managing massive setlists. I’m going to show you exactly why they’re wrong.
This topic gets people really fired up. And I get it - we’re all used to doing something a certain way and we get comfortable doing it that way.
And when it comes to running tracks on stage with a massive setlist that may need to be quickly reordered, a lot of people seem to think Session View is the obvious choice.
But I’m going to challenge that today and share why Arrangement View - if used correctly - is actually much more ideal for managing a massive setlist than Session View.
All I ask is you just let yourself be open to an alternative option. You’re allowed to still disagree, but it’d be kind of lame to never even give something else a shot. Just saying :)
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00:00 - Introduction to the topic of managing songs in Ableton Live
01:03 - Discussion on whether Ableton Live is suitable for managing a large number of songs
04:03 - Explanation of how to rearrange songs in Ableton Live's Arrangement View
06:31 - Introduction to remapping locators to reorder songs
08:02 - Introduction to using a virtual MIDI driver to reorder songs
09:30 - Introduction to using a set list management plugin
14:34 - Explanation of how set list management plugins work
16:15 - Conclusion and recommendation to watch a shootout tutorial for set list management plugins
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@philiphopper4885 11 ай бұрын

I’ve been using your tips for YEARS. 40 songs for my band in arrangement view and not a single problem when using your free resources. Really valuable and useful stuff, Will. Thank you for everything.

@fromstudiotostage 11 ай бұрын

Thanks! Arrangement view is such an amazing way to work!

@arturpompeu 29 күн бұрын

your channel is gold! thank you!

@simonecolombaretti3403 Ай бұрын

Hi, love your videos ! Do you know if I can move the played to a marker that are located in a random song in the arrangement view? Maybe with an automation or something? I don’t wanna move my tracks and now that the setlist is changed it will be helpful, I don’t wanna do keymap and I wanna make sure that the session is going automatically

@HEINTRITONPRO 4 ай бұрын

I Play an top40 covers band, what happens when you have request and you have to play them straight away or sometimes you prepare a set but then you get to the venue and the atmosphere is totally different. This is where session view is easy because all songs are listed in alphebetical order and also easier to see the list whilst playing what to play next.

@HEINTRITONPRO 4 ай бұрын

and we play 48 songs which is 4 45mins sets and like I said it changes when on stage so we don't make setlist anymore

@ColbyDean 8 ай бұрын

I work in the cruise ship industry and am looking for a way to be flexible with a 550 song library. I'll have to test my computers limits!

@fromstudiotostage 8 ай бұрын

limiting how many "tracks" you have per song will be crucial to let your computer handle it

@wymes1 11 ай бұрын

I've literally had to play in a corporate band that had several hundred songs. Most corporate gigs these days read the crowd in order to determine what song to play. It is so hard to find songs under this situation in arrangement view. For spontaneous playback, session view is better. I agree with your friend. Lol. The fact that someone created software to to make arrangement view better, tells you that it is not universal in any live setting and that professionals have found a problem that needed to be solved. Also, with the template, it kills the ability for triggers for global tempo. So songs that have a section that holds on a particular note, you can't. Love your work. God bless.

@fromstudiotostage 11 ай бұрын

Glad you’ve found something that works for you! All I can encourage you to do is try my techniques and see if they work, if not keep doing what you’re doing. Triggers and sending tempo is 100% possible in arrangement . Also the existence of a solution doesn’t mean the solution is invalid. If so, then follow by Isotonik process session view doesn’t work :) I literally have students running 100’s of songs in arrangement view. My comment was making fun of the guy saying how to manage 800 songs. I always like reminding people, just because you don’t know how to do something or haven’t done it doesn’t mean it’s not possible.

@bikeenjoyer977 11 ай бұрын

A way one of my bands did it for a while was to use a guitar players helix to select and play each song. Took a while to program but once we had each midi button in it was a breeze to scroll through, select what we wanted, and push play.

@fromstudiotostage 11 ай бұрын

Yeah that’s a great solution. The search issue is a non-issue that’s solved by a SETLIST management tool, control via MIDI controller, control via a chart app or other device. Since there’s no “search” in session view either, it’s more of a discussion on what’s best for tracks in my book

@luccatellier6143 11 ай бұрын

Hey Will! Since a long time, I was using a «Stop / Go to next locator» M4L device that is working great, but I was looking for a solution to match the « jump to maker X» in Logic. Seems that you find the workaround!!! One thing though... I tried the trick ( Do a MIDI clip that trigger the locator we want ) and added Delay to be sure the info comes before the auto-stop. What is the delay time you are using? 10 ms seems to be good, but under that, it seems to be a bit sketchy...I'm curious to know you opinion. Thx

@kev7x2010 5 ай бұрын

Hey Will, I've used your videos and site to learn how to run tracks from the ground up and purchased a few of your tools that are absolutely life changing. I'm only having one issue. I have all of my songs in one master session and I use Ablest to build setlists. I have a few different versions of the same song in my session...for example, if we open with a certain song for one tour, I may have an intro built into that version of the song. And I have a few show intros like that built into different songs. Those intros are just audio files that I made in Logic and imported into my session. They are not warped and my tempo track isn't dragged to manipulate those. I have all of my songs in alphabetical order. So when I build a new song into my session and try to Insert Time..... the timing of those intro tracks get all off. Do you have any idea what I can do to fix that issue?

@emmarotondo 7 ай бұрын

Hi Will! ca u tell us what is the correct buffer size for run our playback sessions? thanks a lot. your channel is GOLD. regards from Argentina.

@blviking56 3 ай бұрын

1024 and up unless you’re running vsts which would be way to much latency for them

@555foofighters 11 ай бұрын

What if you want to key map to song 10 as there is no "10" key on the keyboard? Is there a key combination where you can enter multiple numbers? Or is there a different way? Thanks for your response!

@fromstudiotostage 11 ай бұрын

You can use any key on your keyboard to map to

@Stefvlaere 11 ай бұрын

Hi Will, Do you work on the songs in this master set or do you work on them in a seperate project and drop them in when they are done? What if something has to change? Do you do the change in your master set AND it's own project or do you do it in the song's project and drop it in again?

@fromstudiotostage 11 ай бұрын

Always make the change where you are. If I’m on stage using a set I make the change. You always have to manage your songs and files well, so later save as a new arrangement. I show how to do this the most efficient way possible on the site