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Ok after they get their credit, I’ll work on John Adams

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What if you saw another video explaining that 1 tunnel could keep trains running every 6 minutes in each direction and that a shutdown between Lorimer and Bedford is not actually necessary?

Andy Okuneff Such a video doesn't exist because its impossible.

Kenny J​ that's not true. L train currently runs every 3 minutes (at peak) with 2 tunnels. If some construction is done in front of the 1st ave and bedford stations over the course of 2017 and 2018, 1 tunnel can be optimized to continually send trains every 3 minutes rotating between brooklyn and manhattan bound.

Andy Okuneff So the way you look at it, is that if only one tunnel is running therefor service should only be reduced by half? Then you're stating that it can be optimized to run even FASTER in your following post? I don't think you have any concept of how the system operates, especially when there's crews doing major construction. It's not just "some construction", an entire tunnel being shut down is a massive undertaking and requires major resources, which will require the track to have flatbed cars to hold construction equipment likely as far as 6th ave all the way into Lorimer. The reason the trains likely have to end at Lorimer is for layover of both passenger service trains, and construction crew's diesel and flatbed trains. This does not allow for any switching of tracks to "optimize" anything. Besides, why the hell would you want to take a train through stations that will be massively crowded with at least half of Bedford Ave station being closed off and used by construction teams, with all the fumes of the equipment and the dust in the air?

If over the next 2 years, construction was implemented on Bedford and 1st Ave, trains could run half as frequently (every 6 minutes) as they currently do. I don't think you have any concept of how the system operates, especially when there's crews with exorbitant budgets doing major construction to dismiss this.

huh? they spend 0 time explaining illogical elements of 1 tunnel option. no reason to shut down traffic between bedford and lorimer nor reason to believe 1 tunnel can't sustain a train every 6 minutes in each direction..

*****​ During 2017 and 2018 is way more than enough time to lay down tracks for tunnels to lead in either direction. They don't have to separate from Bedford and Lorimer - the separation causes more delays.

***** do I understand that a few people make arbitrary decisions that affect the entire mta for their own benefit first? of course i do. but if enough people call them out, they will acquiesce to reasonable requests (ie Peter Cafiero backed away from "we must stand by chairman Epstein and president Bharucha at Cooper Union")

*****​ No they aren't trying to "do their best to keep people safe". It's self interest. I went to the last mta meeting.

Self-interest my ass. If the TA does nothing, guess what? The 14th Street Tubes would be so heavily deteriorated to a point trains can't run at all. Shows me and everybody here that you are a stupid, act like you are entitled, dumbass who can't figure out a way to clean his own ass.

Roger S The contract was shortened to 15 months from 18 months, so it will be done quicker.

it's actually been opened just recently

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Why was the 3 year option not actually explored? 1 tunnel could churn out trains every 6 minutes and shouldn't require closure between Bedford and Lorimer. They don't properly explain this option.

I know right

Andy Okuneff Actually, if u watched the news, the contract of MTA have reduced the amount of repairs to 15 months. Visit MTA for details.

LMOE Thats consider to 15 months. It will be 1 year, and 3 months.

LMOE it takes a lot time to remove stuff and fix it then put it back

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@VINCENT CHENG ikr

BUT IM JUDT A KID

VINCENT CHENG lets not fight.

8avexp That's because North Brooklyn (Greenpoint, Williamsburg, East Williamsburg, Bushwick) has become an attractive area since it's affordable to artists who can't afford to live in Manhattan.

The project has been completed between April 2019 & April 2020

it isn’t It means extensive delays for trains all across the line waiting for one train to get out of Manhattan The 1.5 Option is better because it means No delays at all

@@ninofromkitchennightmares1497 there will be no delays but there will also be no service at all

+Brohamulous Chronicles, the MTA has not properly explained why a closure between Bedford and Lorimer would be necessary nor have they explained why 1 tunnel cannot run trains every 6 minutes in each direction..

Because one tunnel=1 track. which is explained in the video. You can't have trains running in both directions on a single track because they would collide. Rewatch the video. They explain all this.

switching elements not mentioned.

Mo Uddin lmao...!

TotalBoogeymenH2Oplus And Chambers Street.

The MTA confirmed that they're going to renovate 3 Av (not the best choice in my opinion, I'd rather just renovate ALL 14 Street Stations in Manhattan

I should also mention to ease crowding problems during the l train shutdown, they should bring back the V, this time have it run via the 63rd Street branch while the F can run via 53rd with the E like it did in the 1990’s, and even extend the G back up to Forest Hills (or even further to either Jamaica 179th or Jamaica Center).

@@VinceHere98 G is a no no because of the R. V via 63rd Street and F via 53rd Street may cause problems with the M and Q trains.

@@britishenough7690 The M will go back to being brown and run along the 4th avenue branch like it did during rush hours prior to June 2010. that i should also mention. the G also on rush hours as well.

Universal Love It is the explanation of what happened in every subway tunnel south of 59th Street during Sandy, although some of the tunnels had their duct banks spared from damage.

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@Henry Black; Why are you calling me a pervert which I am not?

poor mta governance has little to do with living in the city.. there's tons of federal and state funds pumped into this system. they owe us a real 1 tunnel scenario.

why can't trains continue to run every 6 minutes with just 1 tunnel? why does route between bedford and lorimer need to shut down during the 1 line at a time plan?

+Andy Okuneff It is logistically impossible. Under the one tube closure, a train at Union Square can't proceed of a train is either at 1st or 3rd Avenues or at Bedford Avenue. This severely limits the amount of trains that can run. Additionally, under the one tube closure, the 8th to Bedford segment can only run at 4-5 TPH (trains per hour).

BrIaNMeRcY1022​ can you rephrase your 2nd sentence please? Also, each tunnel runs 20 trains per hour typically. 1 tunnel can run 10 trains per hour in each direction.. Very disappointing that the mta is not seriously considering the 1 tunnel at a time option.

+Andy Okuneff I don't have to rephrase anything. One tunnel CAN'T run 10 TPH at all. It it logistically impossible. The reason for the proposed 12-15 minute headway's is to allow breathing room. Anything over 5 TPH would lead to bottle necks. In the end, (L) riders are going to be forced to deal with it. If they want to continue to ride the (L) line for years, let the TA close both tubes. People think the (L) closure is isolated to Brooklyn, people in the East Village & Lower East Side have to put up with it as well.

BrIaNMeRcY1022​ "let the TA close both tubes" No. These trains can be logistically optimized to run every 6 minutes in each direction - a digital logic design class (freshman/sophomore level engineering) at Cooper Union can do it for the MTA if they're unwilling to do it themselves.. Interestingly, MTA's Peter Cafiero, the former president of the Cooper Union Alumni Association, once insisted President Jamshed Bharucha and Chairman Mark Epstein were the future of Cooper Union (both are long gone). Though Cafiero once insisted ‘transparency’ meant ‘I don’t want to hear what you are saying so I will just shout and not listen and maybe I won’t hear it anymore’, he was proven incorrect before and as we flesh out who came up with "plan b" and how to optimize it, we will again realize this plan has not been fleshed out.

Kevin Howard it should, but it doesn’t because the mta doesn’t keep 100% of the revenue it generates. The state takes a portion of the revenue.

@@kylepost4 It's also worth mentioning how many people evade the fares

@@TJHorner people are evil ;-;

then do it

AJ, Abstract Enthusiast Impeach Cuomo!

Because he doesn't give a crap about Long Island and he demolished the Sheridan Expressway (I-895).

why not ? why not indeed! Cuomo should replace Biden as Democrats nominee and then after the election, stop this silly two term rule. He’s obviously the best man to run anything. At least make him VP and then when Biden becomes too obvious he’s got dementia, then put him in with Kemala probably. Then she takes over after 3-4 Cuomo terms and the best ‘apprenticeship for the first female president. Win-win, right?

@why not ? Cuomo only wants more traffic and trucks on the Cross Bronx Expressway (I-95) so he can destroy the Bronx and turn the LIE (I-495) into a parking lot. Mike Bloomberg should be the next Governor.

@@mattyiannielli2067 I read your original comment and said you must be Italian. Then I read your name. That's when your comment made perfect sense.

Around 1963 I travelled on this line at night with my parents and brother from the last stop in Canarsie to its last stop in Manhattan near where we lived. It went through some of the worst and most dangerous slums in nyc. The train and the stations were literally fallng to bits, with most of the lights out and not replaced. Passengers looked like obvious violent criminals. This was the scariest ride I have ever been on. I am still surprised we made it home in one piece, after nearly 60 years.

Tokkemon Cuomo doesn’t deserve to be Governor.

No full shutdown

Peter Parker it was confirmed a couple of months ago that time was reduced to 15 months

Peter Parker I thought Spider-Man lived by the 7 train

The Geo-Engineers did it, there is no such thing as "global warming".

YES. No bean counters and "systems analysts" looking over their shoulders!

The new station is at a lower elevation

A transfer there is approved in the current capital plan. Whether it gets built in time for the Canarsie shutdown anyone's guess.

Yes cause I don’t wanna pay twice

Melody H Don’t worry. For the shutdown, there will be a free MetroCard walking transfer between the stations.

Ben Y because that's a two different railroad company transit system's that don't share the same connection's from a Letter line to a Number line. Irts is for number train's and the Letter's trains IBT line's same NYC transit but the system's of those rails are different management companies.

and the IBT is Interboro transit and the IRT ate Interrail Transit.

yessir. they are not specific enough about actually explaining the 1 tunnel option.

they got an extra $1B in state funds last year.. That is more than enough for an L train that runs every 6 minutes 1 tunnel at a time.

No its not. $1 billion will pay for the material but not labor. Do you expect the cement to pour and mix with magic?

factoring in the $600M in federal funding, labor also included without hitting the mta budget..

Andy Okuneff I don't think you realize the costs of construction these days. Yes, they can be lower and more efficient than they are now, but we don't have time to squabble over that, if the L train is going to get fixed. The 3-year option requires the shutdown of one track, as mentioned in the video. The first crossover switch west of the Canarsie tubes is just to the west of 3rd Avenue station. The closest one to the eastern end is just to the east of Bedford Avenue. That means that an L train would have to travel from 3rd Avenue to Bedford Avenue in under three minutes for your 6 minute per direction headway to work. I checked Google Maps, and it says it currently takes 5 minutes to travel that distance via the L train, and that's with both tunnels open (less queueing). There is no way to get them to run every 6 minutes per direction without skipping at least two of those stations. And if they were to skip two of the three stations on the single-track segment, they might as well shut both tubes down.

They fixed it on time

You've got your wish, man. The Manhattan segment of the L line will be closed for reconstruction which will last 18 months.

+Donald Shaw yes finally! 😀

both are busy, but dont necessarily _grow_ The L isn't too busy but has grown a lot. It's like Lex is an adult and the L is a teenager.

Paul Allen Impeach Cuomo!

why not ? It’s just Republicans trying to split the Democrats. All Democrats get along. The Bernie Bros to the Business Dems of Bill (especially) and Hilary Clinton and the Stacy Abrams and Garcetti (LA mayor, check him, top leader for the future) for the minority leaders. Saul Goodman! (whose probably a Republican but the great actor who plays him is a solid Democrat, even before he was famous).

Why would 8-car trains go to the B or Q lines?

it would be expensive to build an extra tunnel; however, mta got an extra $1B from the state last year. If they used a chunk of that money and started Jan 1 2017 on a new tunnel, they'd have 2 operational tunnels for the duration of construction and a 3rd which could expand future routed!

Yep. The L runs along the line often known as the Canarsie Line

The (F) serves many busy neighborhoods in the city- Midtown, Jamaica, Elmhurst, LIC, Park Slope, South Brooklyn. Thats why they added . The (D)-- not so much because its express. Also the (D) has many alternatives-- (B) (A) (F) (N) (R).

Sabba7h Bad. We risk danger when riding the line. The closing would have ensured that we are safe from this line

Not workable in Manhattan. Among other reasons, if any of the rolling stock in Manhattan's section of the L breaks down, there's literally no way to get replacements in. The Canarsie Line doesn't have any track connection to any other line in Manhattan.

How would a train get repairs the repair yard is in East New York for the L line remember wants to Tunnel shutdown no trains can go through there

Zaedin0001 Too expensive

Pingues TV That’s the plan. On nights and weekends, service will go to 96th Street-Second Avenue

Yay! A 24/7 (M)!

Gloria Reed They said the work won’t start UNTIL 2019. The work started in April

gloria reed septa guy 42 And it’s a year and a half till it’s done

how about a real explanation of the absurd and unnecessary constraints for using 1 tunnel at a time..

www.mta.info/press-release/nyc-transit/mta-rebuild-crucial-aging-sections-m-line-brooklyn-queens

+Andy Okuneff if you have such a problem with this why weren't you following it before it was approved. Why don't you bring your ideas directly to the MTA if you're so sure of your solution. They don't listen to KZfaq comments

Some people try to come up with half-baked ideas to make things easier for the entitled. The work on the (M) & (L) line must be done. If the TA does nothing, prepare to face delays and create an hazard for the riding public.

"the entitled" = employees who give themselves millions to not minimize impact on community. 2 transitional elements is such a ridiculous "half baked" idea lol. How dare we ask that $2.75/ride entitlement + $1.8B in fed+state funding to do a job of laying down 3miles of new buswork (in a list of typical costs - it would cost the same to construct brand new tunnels pedestrianobservations.wordpress.com/2013/06/03/comparative-subway-construction-costs-revised/ ). Estimating the cost as double for demolition as it is to lay new cable into the space (demolition is not a specialized field - anyone can do it with limited training), this doesn't even come close to the $1.8B that has been allocated. But whatever, let's take the side of the people that are disappearing money because we're cowards and want our kids to grow up in the same environment we did.

Mihail Vovk It would take longer to build new ones then shut down the old tunnels. Also, why build new tunnels when the tunnel is structurally safe? All they have to do is demolish the duct bank and replace the communication cables. The work would only disrupt service for 15 months.

Emiliano Sanchez That will not work. If anything happens to those trains in the Manhattan section, then it stays there until the tunnels reopened. If the tunnels are closed, there is no access to maintenance yards from the Manhattan stations.

+craig rosenman If it's close to Bedford Ave it makes no sense. You'll just add run time to the line.

+AlgonquinRider810 it may add time but will also alleviate the over crowding at Bedford which can't handle the traffic. It is truthfully a fire hazard as is. Even with the new stairs they are suggesting.

craig rosenman Fair enough. But a new station would be the least of the L's problems.

+Aneudi Diaz I expect if they had to replace the tunnels that's exactly what they'd do, but here it looks like the tunnels are structurally sound, just the cable channels are damaged. It would be a LOT more expensive to replace the tunnels instead of fixing them.

UltraEric At any point would look like any under river rail tunnel if it filled up with millions of gallons of salt water for more that 1.5 weeks. Salt water can eat away wire coating.

they reefed most of the R42's, so that won't happen

+han hanzo :(

+han hanzo i miss the old l train They change the tracks From sutter ave to Bway junction it was different

Yeah, i remember that sharp turn.. those were the days

+han hanzo ikr

Because retaining normal service while figuring out the actual amount of damage is more important than an immediate shutdown.

I never went on the L

They're doing work on the stations in Manhattan during the shutdown, there's no room for service.

Henry Black Also if any thing happens to a train in Manhattan, you can't get it out.

There's no repair yard for the L train in Manhattan the repair yards in East New York

Hypestrike1 So, they'd drop the current situation which is getting worse by the year and is arguably more important to address to build something that's not even all that necessary?

This would be a good idea if L trains still ran in Manhattan, but if there is no service in Manhattan for a whole 1 and a half years, it would be temporarily a waste. Speaking about service in Manhattan, why couldn't they close both tunnels, and limited service between 8th ave and 1st ave? Therefore using the quickest possible way to repair the tunnel but also having the train run in Manhattan. Also, the new tunnels you were talking about could serve as places that trains can sleep at night instead of the Canarsie yard which is not accessible by Manhattan trains.

Jr2 Trains If one of those trains in Manhattan breaks down, there would be no way to get to East New York Yard (where the L train shops are) or even 207th Street or Coney Island Yards (where heavy maintenance is performed) for repairs. They are shutting down service in Manhattan because it is better than risking trains breaking down between 8th Avenue and 1st Avenue. Why can’t you embrace using a bus for 15 months between Manhattan and Brooklyn and along 14th Street?

they lost andy byford, the guy who actually took care of the subway, second, fare evasion made the MTA lose 500 million dollars of lost revenue, thirdly, the MTA is currently in a crisis, due to covid, the MTA is having crew shortages.

Because with already 2 lines (J & M) running through that section, it would be a nightmare! Imagine if an incident such as a signal problem or a sick customer occurs during the rush hour - it'll be a headache that even Excedrin won't cure!

@VINCENT CHENG I'm well aware of DJ Hammers videos (in fact, he's my co-worker, though I have more time on the road). They had L trains terminating at Broadway Junction on weekends! Weekends! Pre-COVID, if you tried that on weekdays, you would have a huge bottleneck, considering how many Js (the Z is a version of the J, so I don't include it) would be going in and out.