Carbon Vs Aluminium Bikes - What's The Difference?

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Many of us face a decision when buying a new bike - to go for a carbon frame or aluminium? We compare two bikes to find out what the differences really are! We've taken two Trek Emondas, a carbon framed SL6 and an aluminium ALR6. Both have identical specifications, so can we tell the difference?
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@efive99 5 жыл бұрын

I've logged in more hours watching cycling videos than riding my bike.

@veryan2051 5 жыл бұрын

haha same

@matthewholton1938 4 жыл бұрын

I only ride my bike for a short commute so I would say that I spend about 10× more time watch people cycle than doing it my self

@argeelearner3978 4 жыл бұрын

HA HA So true!

@baglatsdirbindiklat3909 4 жыл бұрын

We all do

@Polones12 4 жыл бұрын

like many of us :)

@TimothyFish 8 жыл бұрын

For most of us, carbon is a status symbol rather than a need.

@ynotnilknarf39 8 жыл бұрын

I bought a new CF frame because it was on offer from a pro continental team at the end of the season. it's nothing to do with status symbol, I liked the colour scheme, it was reasonably light and had some great reviews that it was an excellent ride. I ride steel (50s/90s frames)Titanium (90s), alu (2000s) part alu/CF (2000s) and now two CF bikes also. I honestly think your way of thinking is incorrect, it's about what the market wants to promote/sell and a pricepoint people think they can afford. Right now cheap CF frames/bikes are affordable to the masses, it's as simple as that.

@indonesiaamerica7050 6 жыл бұрын

That's not true either. You can find better CF gear. But it's definitely not a linear return on investment.

@tomsmith5216 6 жыл бұрын

I'm riding a mid-90s Cannondale aluminum frame. I did a ride with some college students, 400 miles, and swapped out to a carbon fiber Trek occasionally. I honestly couldn't feel any difference, at least not enough to justify spending $1000+ to upgrade. Saving a few ounces for a pleasure rider by spending a lot of coin doesn't make sense to this tightwad scotsman , lol.

@kenshin9880ify 5 жыл бұрын

yaya

@sotender48 4 жыл бұрын

PERFECT!!!!!!!!!

@AdamWarrix 8 жыл бұрын

This test isn't an apples for apples test. Obviously the carbon bike was faster. It is yellow. Science has proven that yellow bikes are always faster, followed by black.

@flyingpanhandle 8 жыл бұрын

But what about red? Or is that cars?

@mihpop9733 8 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure red with white stripes is the quickest colour

@AdamWarrix 8 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure about red bikes but red cars are the fastest. The white stripe adds to the speed. White stripes are like the Zipps of the car world.

@reginaldscot165 8 жыл бұрын

+Mike Pop awesome! My bike is Red with white stripes.

@Pienimusta 8 жыл бұрын

Maranello Red is always fastest ;D

@Biblicalgiants 5 жыл бұрын

My mom won't buy me the carbon graphite Trek road bike that I want. It's only like $7599 and she won't buy it. Damn it.

@yongling9825 5 жыл бұрын

Whoa, that's real expensive you know, it's no surprise she won't buy it for you.

@fernandocycling9662 5 жыл бұрын

$7599? Good decision your mom made.😎😎😎

@brucew.5292 5 жыл бұрын

Bro, buy a Chinese carbon frame and buy the components separate. You can make one identical to that trek for around 1000 bucks USD

@fernandocycling9662 5 жыл бұрын

@@brucew.5292 the problem is to find a good and reliable carbon frame. You have any idea? Thank you.

@rabidsminions2079 5 жыл бұрын

Get a job and buy it......

@ejdavis72 7 жыл бұрын

Everyone needs to consider that these are very experienced cyclists and they can barely tell tell the difference. Can you? Probably not.

@lolouro2266 5 жыл бұрын

I can easily tell the difference... alum has a horrible ride!!

@planetdog1641 5 жыл бұрын

@@lolouro2266 the new hydroformed alloy is great.

@lolouro2266 5 жыл бұрын

@@planetdog1641 does it make the ride better??

@planetdog1641 5 жыл бұрын

@@lolouro2266 definitely lighter...most higher end alloy bikes come with carbon forks these days. Check out the gcn video of them comparing two Trek emondas. Carbon vs. aluminum. Good info.

@lolouro2266 5 жыл бұрын

@@planetdog1641 i will hv to try a high end al bike and see if its any better than steel or ti... but i doubt it. I have a ti frame w carbon bar and fork... omg its sooo smooth! Even w 23c tires!

@farmboyjad 8 жыл бұрын

A good thing to keep in mind if you're on the fence: Carbon's biggest advantage is that it's easier from an engineering perspective to manipulate to get the performance characteristics you want, which is why the bike industry has embraced it. But the skill of the engineer and the quality of the manufacturer still make a bigger difference. A well designed alu bike will beat a bad carbon bike every time. Bottom line: test different brands and styles, find what you like, be open to suggestion from your local bike shop (work with a local bike shop), but ultimately trust your gut. What matters is that the bike does what you want; the rest is only important if you want it to be.

@petertklee 6 жыл бұрын

A blind test amongst the GCN presenters would have been awesome here. Dan said he didn't feel a difference. Simon said he did feel a minor difference. It would be interesting to see if the presenters could tell the difference if given two bikes and asked to pick out the carbon one (without doing the tap test of course).

@rileyvonbevern4652 7 жыл бұрын

When I made the switch over from aluminium to carbon I felt so much smoother on my new bike, not sure how much faster but it has definitely been a lot more comfortable and forgiving on the roads

@vicwiseman6038 3 жыл бұрын

I think another very important factor is frame size. As someone who generally rides XL or XXL bikes, it’s a much bigger deal. Most manufacturers don’t beef up or thicken the aluminum tubing for larger frames so a smaller frame is actually stronger than its larger brother. This means that the differences are bigger when you compare larger sized frames. I say this as someone who has recently cracked his aluminum XL MTB frame without crashing. Yes, that’s right, the top tube cracked at 1k miles and less than 2 years of use on my 2019 Marin bike.

@creativecharacters1181 7 жыл бұрын

I forgot which one was carbon half way through and then when they weighed it My memory was refreshed. All along I was looking at the black going " oh yeh that carbon looks so much more composed and smooth" PLACEBO much.

@51kfk38 4 жыл бұрын

love how you do the dialogues from the back of a moving bike...nice work !

@Damakke 8 жыл бұрын

For a newbie like me, i buy the aluminium bike and invest the rest of the money in shorts, shoes, a helmet, drinking bottle, socks. I don't think i have an advantage on a carbon bike.

@yongling9825 5 жыл бұрын

Plus, AL is more impact-resistant.

@jerryavalos9610 4 жыл бұрын

@@yongling9825 You statement is nothing but common sense. I have both aluminum and carbon fiber bicycles, there is a difference in the ride but neither is faster than the other, it's all in the motor propelling it. My favorite bike is my aluminum Specialized Allez.

@yongling9825 4 жыл бұрын

@@jerryavalos9610 Not every cyclist knows about this. The moment I tell them this, some will say "I thought carbon is tougher?".

@davidjenkins8449 4 жыл бұрын

@@yongling9825 that is true carbon is stronger but not as resiliant which means it can crack if takes the right impact. Same bridges are made to have some flex.

@yongling9825 4 жыл бұрын

@@davidjenkins8449 Spot on.👉

@Drzhounder 8 жыл бұрын

I hav the 2016 Cannondale Synapse 105 Disc in aluminum alloy. I adore it. The frame is responsive, it is lightweight by my standards as I am not about those 25 seconds, I am about how far I can go comfortably. As I like to say, "Miles not Metals". I will never be a racer, I will never be as skilled as Peter Sagan (or even his left pinky), but I know that I enjoy the hell out of riding my bike. I did 60.5 miles (97k) today and I am as fresh as a flower. The price difference allowed me to setup the right pedals, the right saddle, lights and safety equipment (saddle bag) and buy my wife some nice dinners. If I were to changed anything about my bike it would be to upgrade the groupset, not change the frame.

@ConorPorter 6 жыл бұрын

My wife rides the identical bike 900 miles a week and loves it. We got it on sale for $1549 put the difference to a power meter which was cheaper because the cranks were not Ultegra.

@Tideman11 5 жыл бұрын

@@ConorPorter Your wife rides 900 miles per week!? That is a lot more than the pro ladies do, and even more than the male pros ride weekly. Does she ride six hours per day on average?

@ConorPorter 5 жыл бұрын

+Xehanort11 Hahaha meant to say "a month" she commutes to and from work 16 miles away and does longer rides on the weekend. Anyway we are having a hard time finding a carbon bike she likes and may just go to a CAAD12 as an upgrade.

@lukaswolczyk3236 5 жыл бұрын

No, wheels make the real upgrade

@9034833838 4 жыл бұрын

Your wife does Grandtours back to back week in week out?

@honestmcgyver 8 жыл бұрын

£700 for 250g, save the dosh and skip a couple of burgers 😀

@ethansloss6854 8 жыл бұрын

Buy some nicer shoes, you could save that much weigh for half the price.

@TheOfficialDJAVI 8 жыл бұрын

Those 250g are dropped in a pre-race shit!

@teleotto 8 жыл бұрын

Yep, save it for a power meter!

@TomYearby 8 жыл бұрын

I found the difference wasn't mainly in the weight when I got my first carbon bike though. It was the stiffness and responsiveness that was the main benefit. And for that reason alone it's worth the extra. Still keep my ally for winter though.

@KurtVogel88 8 жыл бұрын

Which carbon frame vs which aluminum frame? There are aluminum frames that are stiffer and more responsive than many carbon frames.

@sross148 8 жыл бұрын

One of the better GCN videos! Great effort in holding the variables constant.

@vex-nh 8 жыл бұрын

How does aloominiyum compare with the aloominum bikes we have here in the states?

@PodExbert 8 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@evanboyd5974 8 жыл бұрын

THIS IS THE FUNNIEST THING I'VE READ ALL DAY

@kgsva 8 жыл бұрын

given that aluminium is the internationally recognised correct name as stated by the international body that governs the periodic table of the elements, you're wrong. 'Aluminum' is american, i.e. incorrect.

@astphaire 8 жыл бұрын

No, Aluminum is correct.

@kgsva 8 жыл бұрын

+astphaire well it isn't, just because America uses the incorrect name doesn't mean that it is correct

@kappakumplete 6 жыл бұрын

Budget was a factor for me so I chose aluminum with better components. I have weight to lose anyway so it would have been silly for me to spend extra money for such a small difference.

@jayteegamble 6 жыл бұрын

Yeah in general this is correct. If they bike takes more calories to move, well, that was the whole point anyway right?

@treygray2817 4 жыл бұрын

Frame is more important than components. Modern groupsets are so good you're not really losing anything other than weight and aesthetics with lower-tier groupsets.

@xGshikamaru 8 жыл бұрын

That’s one of the best videos ever from you ! Some time ago I was considering getting a TT frame from Cyfac. The difference in price between carbon and aluminium is quite significant but I’m now convinced that it’s not worth it. I’m still on the fence about getting that bike because I feel for the most part it’s down to my legs more than the frame itself. For now I’ll probably get satisfied with just clip-on aerobars, but it’s nice to get good information about what you really get out of a frame material. Cheers guys, keep up with the great content !

@lukesimonpfiallday3868 8 жыл бұрын

I had this exact decision to make when I got my bike. In the end I went for an canyon ultimate Al which meant I could get the higher level groupset and upgraded handlebars for the same price as the lower groupset with carbon frame. I've also had a small fall since then and who's to say my carbon frame would of survived?

@brookes79 Жыл бұрын

I've just bought my first carbon framed bike, it's the Ribble Endurance SL e & it weighs less than my previous non electric bike. I absolutely love the vibration dampening of the frame & forks.

@derf9465 4 жыл бұрын

Crash carbon, live in doubt to its structural strength. Crash aluminium should be fine. Crash steel, pick it up and ride for another 50 years.

@Bugumir 4 жыл бұрын

I crashed steel. My top tube had a W in it afterwards. No more riding :).

@andyhaochizhang 3 жыл бұрын

This is actually so important for some people. One of my carbon bikes got some hairline cracks (not even from crashes), and I found myself stressing about the frame’s structural integrity all the time. I eventually got put it on the trainer and go a high end aluminum bike for training, that extra 500g might make me 1% slower on climbs but I can finally have some peace of mind.

@Broodjemetbeleg 8 жыл бұрын

I would get the Aluminium bike and spend the 700/800 on a powermeter.

@rubenmartin7759 6 жыл бұрын

Lucifer Morningstar yes the test proves that 22secons are nothing if you are not racer!

@canabox7112 5 жыл бұрын

Cocaine and a hooker

@kenshin9880ify 5 жыл бұрын

wiseman

@KandiKlover 4 жыл бұрын

@@rubenmartin7759 probably exaggerated too and more from placebo effect making them go slightly faster.

@ajjrm 8 жыл бұрын

Guys you are amazing with your vids! I'm getting into cycling and your channel is soooo informative 👊🏾! Merci.

@A01126240 8 жыл бұрын

Have been waiting ages for a direct comparison between carbon and aluminium. Thank you guys.

@indonesiaamerica7050 6 жыл бұрын

A medium to high end aluminum frame-set is better and often cheaper than a low-end CF frameset. It's more a question of best value for how much you spend. There's no universal answer. Also, the video mentions that tires, saddle and so forth make the most difference and that is dead on. In terms of "feel" between aluminum and CF it's more subjective. It might resonate differently and you might have positive or negative reactions do those differences but that is just navel-gazing. Get the best frame that you can afford based on stiffness, fit and weight. And then build it up and tune it by changing tires, saddle, and maybe seatpost and handlebars if you still feel you need to tweak it. The "factually faster" frame is probably bullshit because testing methods to answer such questions are not repeatable for human-driven machines.

@goguletzu1 5 жыл бұрын

I had a carbon frame that gave me the confidence to lean my bike at steeper angles than my current aluminium frame that i have on the same setup ,after i broke the carbon one.

@adhamdaradkeh6369 3 жыл бұрын

I have watched all the gcn vids I didn’t miss a single one and now I’m just rewatching everything and they keep making more sense

@GNX157 8 жыл бұрын

So happy for this video. It explains everything I say to friends looking for a road bike. Now I can just tell them to watch this video.

@richcastle6796 8 жыл бұрын

Christ! I'm still rolling along happily on my Reynolds 501 steel frame. Cost me £75 and I can keep up with most people I go out with.

@aim2go975 3 жыл бұрын

Same here, I'm riding on the last Gen steal bikes when Aluminium got popular, spec'd with only Campagnolo, cinelli and Mavic and what should I say it rides awesome.

@SpinninTom 6 жыл бұрын

I went from a cervelo s3 to a cannondale caad12.... noticed a difference immediately but I think the aerodynamic design of the s3 helped more than any weight saving.

@flyingpanhandle 8 жыл бұрын

Been wanting a vid like this for some time, top work.

@joefernandes4256 5 жыл бұрын

I just visited the store and had the same dilemma, then I came across this. Thanks GCN

@craiggreen4388 8 жыл бұрын

I agree with the presenters. I'd take the higher specced alu bike over a lower spec carbon bike assuming I'm spending to a set budget. Too many factors play a part in skewing any comparisons made on the road. You also have to factor in the psychological influence owning the more desirable/expensive frame would undeniably have. Interesting topic.

@wigancyclist8913 8 жыл бұрын

Human beings are extremely adaptable. Carbon versus aluminium is not a issue in this regard, generally . Preference, well that is affected by probably an infinite amount of environmental factors probably. As the saying goes ' what you believe is what you'll see.' or feel in this case. I ride both. Had an aluminium frame first then got carbon and it does seem more comfortable. However before the carbon frame I never complained about the aluminium frame being uncomfortable! Question is do I believe my carbon frame is more comfortable because that is what I read, learned and was told before buying it. Conformation bias? After I while I just stopped thinking about and take the lighter bike on events or extremely long rides and ride the heavier bike for training no matter the distance.

@waqasahmed939 4 жыл бұрын

It's not as green unfortunately. Still, it's far better than having a car I guess www.bikeradar.com/features/the-not-so-green-bike-carbon-fibers-carbon-footprint/

@davidparry1982 7 ай бұрын

This and the men’s health progs are great! So useful on the everyday experience- Nice!

@jakewulfekotter1277 6 жыл бұрын

The tap test 😂 I love it!

@PROcrastiDRIVESVofficial 8 жыл бұрын

I have that Yellow bike. It's an Emonda SL6. I also have an ALR 5. Both are amazing bikes

@PROcrastiDRIVESVofficial 8 жыл бұрын

Carbon makes a huge difference, the biggest thing I noticed was how smooth the ride became. However, don't crash!

@dan110024 8 жыл бұрын

The best advice I took when buying my first road bike was to spend less and buy an alloy frame, and buy a power meter with the saved cash. A carbon frame won't make you fitter but a power meter will if used correctly.

@Leo-gt1bx Жыл бұрын

I am quite happy to have a nicer bike and no power meter.

@elmerkreisel396 5 жыл бұрын

You guys are great . I really enjoy your presentations. Thanks,Elmer

@alfa8587 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for comparison! Great Video! I was always wondering what people really think about both Aluminum and Carbon fiber bikes. I have a Trek Aluminum road bike partially made with carbon fiber, the weight is 20 pounds (9 kg), even I wanna buy a fully carbon fiber bike for status and look, I am still super happy with my aluminum bike and would never sell it.

@mndlessdrwer 7 жыл бұрын

I'd love to see them do some comparisons between some chinese brands of carbon frames and their usual preposterously expensive brands. Same groupset, just the frames are different. I'm curious if there is a real difference in stiffness between the carbon fiber quality, weave and layer count, or if that necessarily matters.

@AeroSixWJ 8 жыл бұрын

2 things. I would have liked to see a segment addressing the durability of the two materials. Also, the comfort can also be dictated by the saddle you're riding on.

@jeffk464 8 жыл бұрын

I think they did a video on Carbon, I could be wrong but I think they said unless you damage it, its pretty much lifetime.

@bigbrownbear1231 8 жыл бұрын

Great objective video. Been waiting for this one for a while!

@billgutierrez2980 7 жыл бұрын

Regardless of what the outcome, this is a great video. Excellent production and engagement value. Well done!

@podfunk 5 жыл бұрын

The hydroformed aluminium has gotten really good now. They are making aero shaped tubing that looks totally carbon.

@KandiKlover 4 жыл бұрын

aero shaped is also stupid and pointless off a time trial bike.

@Leo-gt1bx Жыл бұрын

@@KandiKlover I love it.

@davetbrunner 8 жыл бұрын

Another carbon over alloy buying decision is that for most people, a bike is an important one time purchase. Bringing home an alloy model while knowing the carbon is a little better will always be on the back of their mind. Having sold bikes for a while at the LBS, this is often the case. Then there's always the case of people with beer guts riding on wheels that cost double what my bike is worth. To each their own :)

@costicasan 8 жыл бұрын

Great video as always! I'm really curious about you testing a bike with a steel frame. Will it ever happen? Thank you and keep up with the great work!

@dar29670 8 жыл бұрын

One of the best videos you have done and a real eye opener in comparing equipment, can we have more similar videos? Would like to know what differences the group sets make to the same bike and is dura ace worth the money over Ultegra and 105 and Campagnolo/SRAM counterparts

@colinmurphy2127 8 жыл бұрын

Hey GCN guys. I thought the general rule of thumb was to spend more on the frame,as you can always upgrade components at a later date.

@roxic1212 8 жыл бұрын

The rules in cycling change as fast as one changes underwear.

@Slizzard73 8 жыл бұрын

That's fine if you don't care about wasting money now on components you know you won't use later down the road. Some people don't like that thinking.

@leeroysilk01 8 жыл бұрын

I was going to say the same thing. My preference is always a better framed bike which you can improve as and when things need replacing, or when cash is available. If you start with a cheaper frame you'll always have that cheaper frame.

@yukiko_5051 6 ай бұрын

Until said frame is no longer compatible with newer components lol

@FSR2007 8 жыл бұрын

Managed to get the SL6 Emonda for £1400! upgraded from a trek 1.1, what an upgrade it is! Carbon feels so much better and its nice having such a light bike while living in the peak district! And beat my hill climb time from 4:09 to 3:12!

@redpizza32 8 жыл бұрын

I've been waiting for this video for years!!! Finally!!

@candido5840 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. One remark on Looks, I find the new MTB and speed frames way too "High-tech"/Industrial, specially when they got hollow sections. Would love seeing a fixed gear look revived in a carbon frame, with gears and brakes of course, but as neat as possible.

@bikert 4 жыл бұрын

Exactly my choice, I went for the aluminium frame with the better components instead of a lower spec carbon frame with also lower spec components

@MrTKsDaddy 8 жыл бұрын

My preference for carbon is purely aesthetic! Those weld joints o_O !!

@BeastyCR7 8 жыл бұрын

The new trek Emondas do a great job of reducing it

@MicroageHD 8 жыл бұрын

Steel wrecks carbon in looks tho

@DolleHengst 7 жыл бұрын

Not just in looks. Also in feel, toughness and resale value. A 2010 carbon bike is like a 2010 smartphone. A steel bike has a timeless beauty and relevance

@camaroblackmatte 7 жыл бұрын

until you ride it on a steep hill :)))

@treygray2817 7 жыл бұрын

DolleHengst false, carbon has superior resale value

@marianneoelund2940 3 жыл бұрын

Just the price delta between those two bikes, is what I paid for my entire Al-frame bike just over 20 years ago. It has curved seat stays and feels just as comfortable as my steel bikes. I think good design can generally overcome most material limitations.

@ttgautam21 3 жыл бұрын

I have been bing watching this channel continuously and I dont even have a bike.. forget aluminum carbon or cast iron.. Now i have so much knowledge about bike material clipless pedals and gear shift technique that I have to get a bike..

@BisdremisKostas 8 жыл бұрын

i would go on steel frame with carbon wheels.

@Broodjemetbeleg 8 жыл бұрын

My giant has a alu frame with carbon fork, a lot of riders think it's carbon because of the toptube shape and seamless welding, loving it so far!

@jeffk464 8 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think people can have a tendency to be equipment geeks. I say get out there and have fun.

@Broodjemetbeleg 8 жыл бұрын

Jeff K I know, I've ridden some carbon bikes and they are not worth the 1000 euro difference, yes they are stiffer etc. But not worth the price, I agree with you, my previous bike was from the 90s with downtube shifting, had as much fun as with my new bike

@ervinfowlkes8326 6 жыл бұрын

Video is edited very well, pleasure to watch and learn

@BallroomBackStage 4 жыл бұрын

thanks guys! helpful!

@Josh-yx5xt 8 жыл бұрын

And I'm still here riding my steel frame

@MrDorm13 8 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately not all aluminum frames are as good as the Emonda ALR. Not every company has invested in aluminum as much in recent years as Cannondale, Specialized, and Trek have meaning there are some aluminum bikes that fall well short of their carbon brothers.

@NotALizardPerson81 8 жыл бұрын

Wait, are you saying there are other brands? News to me 😋

@alexmanolopoulos4316 7 жыл бұрын

a caad 12 105 would perform better than any carbon bike at its price point in my opinion (currently £1250 new at Evans cycles in the UK), and pretty close to any carbon bike under £3000.

@indonesiaamerica7050 6 жыл бұрын

Quality Assurance is more difficult on high end aluminum frames. It's easier to put together effective QA regimes for CF.

@germancreatives88 4 жыл бұрын

They are all made by giant

@hawkeye7862 7 жыл бұрын

Nice video I've now made my mind up as I'm buying my first proper road bike soon so will go for ally frame bike with better components

@craigwhittaker8611 8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for doing this comparison some interesting information here, Just thought I'd share some advice offered to me 4yrs ago when I first got into cycling the recommendation was that give aluminium a go for a couple of reasons firstly the bikes are cheaper and if the desire to ride fails you haven't outlayed a lot of money on a bike and not riding it,the second piece of advice was aluminium tends to be a little more resistant to problems if crashed, hence I bought a Trek 2.1 from 2012, and still ride it all the time

@Third_Comma 4 жыл бұрын

깔끔한 한글 번역 감사합니다. 궁금하던 점 내용도 충실하군요. 가성비는 알루미늄 ^^

@harihitaaramesh1086 4 жыл бұрын

Wow thanks for confusing my mind even more😂

@joseajjep5 8 жыл бұрын

Good information guys thank you for the video

@jeffandreson 2 жыл бұрын

Informative and entertaining. Good job blokes.

@MrAndrew1953 7 жыл бұрын

I'd be more concerned about longevity in terms of Carbon frames not lasting as long, being more prone to damage, not as easy to repair. Cannondale produce some very high quality,high performance aluminium bikes (Super 6). High vis yellow frame a winner. Take aluminium, spend difference on dearer components.

@mysteriousMatchStick 6 жыл бұрын

Most mid-high end aluminum bikes have carbon forks these days. The carbon fork offers weight savings plus smoother ride. Not sure if the aluminum bike tested here had a carbon fork, but it is something that they should have discussed.

@thespecialonealegriadopovo9316 6 жыл бұрын

james lemezis totally agree! Good point.

@abedbehrooz5627 3 жыл бұрын

90% of the people who ride don't aim to race . they are just having the goal of losing weight and to be healthy. This comparison is only for those 10% of professionals who would like to do bike race.

@that_which_is_not 8 жыл бұрын

great video guys, really informative

@alfieakaronaldog 6 жыл бұрын

If aluminium frames are so great, make sure you have aluminium (or steel) forks on it ;)

@Roneboontje 8 жыл бұрын

Yeah, considering a new carbon bike after a aluminium one. And I'm still happily riding my 1980's steel Koga Miyata..

@kieranc2490 3 жыл бұрын

Right here with you ! Still riding my 80 miyata on steel. How much better really would I feel riding the new material? Feels like splitting hairs more than a huge jump. That being said, I think these guys are right about the importance of good components. That’s probably where most of the difference is

@Kingsoupturbo 8 жыл бұрын

Great video guys! I was just having this convo about Mountain bikes the other day, as some of the frames are really only max 400g lighter and less on big enduro bikes, is it worth the extra 1000$ ? BTW 30km and 500m climb is your local loop, just casually do it a few times, beasts!!

@raysmith7900 8 жыл бұрын

Great objective info. thanks guys. I have a steel Bianchi with upgraded wheels / Ultegra. Would love to see steel review vs carbon. Wasn't Indurain the last TDF steel winner?

@yoso585 6 жыл бұрын

I find that most cyclist take pride in how much they are able to spend on their bike. I've become solidly just the opposite. It's a humble sorta pride.

@tomsmith5216 6 жыл бұрын

I'm with you. I had a bike snob tell me if I was going to be serious rider, I needed to "upgrade" from my Cannondale aluminum bike to a proper carbon frame bike. I spent 180 bucks for my '95 Cannondale, and I have done lots of rides with riders on carbon fiber "modern" bikes...and we all finished at the time time. I love to brag how little I spent for mine. I suppose that makes me a little bit of a twit, but it's all in fun...

@adamkubiak1933 5 жыл бұрын

It is a good thing to have a nice and high-end thing. Some people DO tend to brag about it just a little too much, though... I'm on a verge of buying a new bike and the latest Tiagra 2x10 is the highest I'm gonna go with it. With time I'll upgrade the worn off parts with old Dura Ace components, should they be compatible. The thing I value the most in bike parts is longevity. And for me Dura Ace is like the most durable part out there. And yes, I brag about it;-)

@Rp-tt5yv 5 жыл бұрын

Caads are awesome bikes! @@tomsmith5216

@GOTHICforLIFE1 5 жыл бұрын

I take pride in riding past people with expensive bikes :P And i also enjoy my rather low end aluminium frame that i've upgraded the groupset with. Primarily because it looks nice :D

@noonehere4332 3 жыл бұрын

Its not being cheap, it’s Financial efficiency

@Schmidteren 8 жыл бұрын

Could you guys make a difference video of Road bike vs MTB for road use? So I can see if the added speed would be worth it, compared to bot being able to ride in the forrest. :)

@Mububban23 7 жыл бұрын

At age 37 I bought my first road bike after years of commuting on MTB. The difference is unbelievable. I love my roadie :-)

@Berrysphoto 7 жыл бұрын

Or you could get a dual sport and it would be good

@superspecky4eyes 5 жыл бұрын

Or just drive to work and buy a monster mtb, more smiles per mile.

@minidini10 8 жыл бұрын

I purchased a carbon bike with lower end components. But over the past 2 years, I've upgraded the components and wheels. I'm very happy with the route I've taken and it will probably live in it's current configuration for a while. Now I just need to update my other bikes...

@krakatoa1200 5 жыл бұрын

The black alloy bike looked the nicest. I have just retired my 2004 alloy Colnago Lux Dream , it has been a great bike equiped with Campag record kit, it has served me well, but recently, on descents over 50MPH, it has started to do tank slappers, and not wanting to end up on the tarmac, it is now on the wall of my garage.

@L3xCin 8 жыл бұрын

And here I am with a 2008 Trek Alpha 1.9, with a self-assembled 1x10 groupset made out of parts from Tiagra, Sora, Deore, SLX, Ultegra, Tektro and Wolf Tooth...... All those different groupsets/brands in one single homemade groupset. Is that a bodge or a hack? :,D

@jeffk464 8 жыл бұрын

depends how well it works

@4879daniel 8 жыл бұрын

I have a groupset of Ultegra/Tiagra/Sora/Deore/Acera - all works fine together.

@Kingsoupturbo 8 жыл бұрын

Is that so you can always be on the "big ring"? hee hee!

@L3xCin 8 жыл бұрын

+Kingsoupturbo My single ring IS 52T, so technically I'm always on the big ring :p

@L3xCin 8 жыл бұрын

+Jeff K Works surprisingly well, I can use my bike as a road bike, and also as a cross bike :D Don't have any issues with chain slap/ dropping chains. And it's super quiet

@2012svk 8 жыл бұрын

firstly you have to "have legs" for cycling, carbon bike for people who dont have legs is useless (:

@OliverPickard 8 жыл бұрын

it always makes me laugh when i pas a fat lad riding a super light carbon bike on my 27yo 12kg steel otero i bought for 250 quid lol

@loplopbunny 8 жыл бұрын

as useless as fat dudes in ferraris with a hot chick in the passenger seat.

@loplopbunny 8 жыл бұрын

and the fat dude is smiling as u past him because he is thinking which hot model is gonna be in his ferrari that night for a drive before taking her home to his mansion. fat lad doesnt care about u.

@OliverPickard 8 жыл бұрын

loplopbunny is that why xxl rainbow jersey over compensates so much lol

@hedy64 8 жыл бұрын

you just need to "have money" for carbon bike :D and "have legs" to put power on it

@buzzkill4623 4 жыл бұрын

I have a 2015 cannondale synapse alloy...and LOVE it

@TobyOneCanoby 8 жыл бұрын

A proper bit of quality journo work chaps, like it, lots :D !

@rondar2 8 жыл бұрын

When I got my carbon bike the first thing I noticed was how smooth and comfortable it was compared to my aluminium bike which has larger tires and more upright sitting position. I think it depends on where you ride it. If you ride it on good and smooth roads the comfort difference might not be that much but on especially old tarmac the carbon bike just eats up all the vibrations.

@MrJonas2255 8 жыл бұрын

You also have to factor in there's a big difference between modern aluminum frame technology and older aluminum. Those ALR's ride beautifully smooth while you'll be vibrated to death on an old oversize tubed Klein or Cannodale (early 90's)

@Hexsense 8 жыл бұрын

it more depend on design than the material itself. newer Canondale for example, make Aluminium quite comfortable with SAVE stays. Very noticeable compare to Harsh but responsive riding of Specialized Allez

@jeffk464 8 жыл бұрын

I had a $1000 year 2000 Trek aluminum bike, before my carbon bike. That old trek made you feel every little pebble right through your spine.

@burino9162 5 жыл бұрын

I used to ride on a 20+ year old steel bike and switching to an almost new bike has made a world of difference

@TiFiber 8 жыл бұрын

I was riding a custom steel bike and high end titanium bike as all of my biking buddies bought carbon bikes and I would always say that carbon was no better until I bought my carbon bike. I instantly loved carbon. It just felt better overall. My custom steel bike is still my most comfortable ride and while my ti bike is still great it doesn't get much use now.

@abubakrmala4553 3 жыл бұрын

I have a pinarello fp1 which I bought new in 2012 and still in great condition and performs just as it should light agile and fast but uncomfortable on rough terrain for which I use a ghost se4000 mountain bike.

@RixterNow 8 жыл бұрын

That was a very fair comparison. Kudos. The only element missing might have been about long term durability.

@1080p1080p 8 жыл бұрын

Do a comparison with a high end steel bike

@slapster2275 8 жыл бұрын

stfu

@simon7719 8 жыл бұрын

I'm sure they would be happy to do it, but they would have to find a set of bikes with the same geometry that included a steel framed bike.

@marty197666 8 жыл бұрын

I loved my Lemond 853 frame bought in 2000, rode it until this year because it I thought it felt so good, sadly no comparison with modern frames which are much better it loathes me to admit...

@mateuszzdyb3547 8 жыл бұрын

very mature amer, we are proud of you.

@janjasiewicz9851 8 жыл бұрын

I have the new Lemond Washoe 853 bike - sublime riding bike - wouldn't swap it with a carbon bike anyway - even if you gave it for free.

@misun2809 4 жыл бұрын

I like S-Work. I want to change to S-Work next time. 😍😍😍😍

@seadbiberovic8063 5 жыл бұрын

All time si pure plasure waching you. Congratulations Well done

@Plasmo20 4 жыл бұрын

Cannondale have been banging on about this for years. CAAD 8,10,12 etc. Great crit bikes.

@manuelgeorgiev4438 8 жыл бұрын

You two look like some squatting slavs in tracksuits ;D

@tro7e 8 жыл бұрын

some lame ones as the feet don't lay flat on the ground. 5/10 in true slav scale.

@ethansloss6854 8 жыл бұрын

It's not a squat if the heels are not on the ground. It's a crouch.

@crispinespeleta2545 8 жыл бұрын

hey fist bump expects them to say we are giving away these bikes *cries in the corner

@mir_kaminov 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks guys for this review

@jskinner82 8 жыл бұрын

Dan, it was only after a few listens that I realised you're saying 'cracking' not 'crappy' at 7:16 !

@njh451 8 жыл бұрын

This can't include the CAAD12 which is better than a hell of a lot of carbon bikes out there!

@alfieakaronaldog 6 жыл бұрын

Not a Super Six Evo ;)

@ConorPorter 6 жыл бұрын

Actually, it is definitively better. Your understanding of aluminum is with the other brands.

@richardgrainger6334 3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree.

@rolffuchs2737 3 жыл бұрын

I had one myself, it was light, stiff (with Cannondales own crank) and absolutely comfy. Much better than the CAAD 13.

@scottclarke8522 3 жыл бұрын

i have a caad9 nine, from 2009, and is better than a lot of carbon bikes

@mihpop9733 8 жыл бұрын

I'm at a little dilemma, I want an aero bike for around £1,300. Now i have fallen in love with the Giant Propel that comes with a great carbon frame that is largely unchanged even for the top of the range that Kittel used last year But it comes with 105 groupset. Or do i gor for a Merida for about the same price with an aluminium frame and Ultegra groupset and fulcrum wheels, i do crit racing and long distance riding and i want to keep the bike for at least 5 years.

@j1shin 8 жыл бұрын

...then go for the one with fulcrum wheels, these will last forever. You won't really see a difference between 105 and Ultegra, its just a small weight difference. Also Merida looks much nicer i think *G*

@mihpop9733 8 жыл бұрын

ViRuSTriNiTy I had a go on the Giant and it is glorious, it comes with its own 35mm deep wheels, also I'll wait to see what the 2017 model will be like, and the merida is.about 1.5 kg heavier :(

@essex__rider 8 жыл бұрын

Go for the Propel and over time upgrade the components bit by bit when you have the monet

@TheOfficialDJAVI 8 жыл бұрын

Propel!

@EnzoTehBaker 8 жыл бұрын

Propel with 105 for sure! Especially since you're saying the Merida is heavier. I've been digging the Giant Propel a lot as well.. And if you're keen on waiting to see what the 2017 looks like, wait until they're for sale and you'll likely be able to get the 2016 for even less.

@ecbadger9661 7 жыл бұрын

So should I go with a giant defy advanced 2 or 3 with a great carbon frame and disc breaks but 105/tiagra componantry or should I get a really nice aluminum one for same cost. I know what the video says but still asking