We still haven't left. If we complain he makes us play the dog game again.

Cue Stuart saying "It puts the stickers on its skin or else it gets the Story Mode again."

I here if we're good, we get to playon a pdp!!! XD

Notice how he did not show the sticker at the end. It actually said 'Help Me'. Oh wait he had actually done that in the previous video the woman he got a sticker of was the woman in this video.

It's a new Ashens ARG called "Pin The Nationality On The Translator".

Bloonface aahahahahaha

Could be a case of living somewhere long enough to pick up the local accent in bits and pieces, like how Jim Sterling sometimes gets ribbed for the Americanisms that slip into his speech.

She sounds enough like Yogscast Kim that I thought about it for a minute; but I don't she is. Similar background, probably; lived in a lot of different places and became proficient in their languages and picked up their accents. Polyglots have the most fascinating accents.

I think she’s Bracanadian

And then printing it whole on stickers. In japanese. With a lot of hearts and anime faces.

Adoring Fan same 😂

Seraph It wasn't that consistent. It would only convert single characters when they were the full word; hence なに working despite it being a kun reading. It wouldn't convert simple compounds unless each character was treated as a single word. か only brought up the か list, no 書 unless しょ was typed. So in a way, it was worse than just an on based conversion system. At least those were consistently crap.

An onyomi-only text converter?! That sounds like a terrible, terrible idea...

Seraph The earliest electronic word processing systems in Japan were onyomi only. They were a huge leap above the manual systems, allowing use of a more limited keyboard instead of having a key for every kanji. It seems insane now, but they were amazing at the time.

I've seen those insane typewriters before. I guess _some_ conversion would be better than none, but that sounds barely more helpful than having to do a database search à la denshi jishou...

Seraph It was before the denshi jisho days, but yeah, that is pretty much what it was like. If you used it a lot you would remember about where in the sequence the character you wanted was and be able to jump lines to get to it more quickly. Having been forced to use one for a bit is what made me jump to assuming that was what the Loopy system was, and only later did I realise it wasn't quite that consistent.

The woman is the Japanese translator, who helpfully can actually read all the words on this godforsaken shitbox. I am the one who sounds a bit like Larry supposedly. Hello!

i believe it's Dan and who ever they used to help them translate, their name wasn't mentioned either in the main video or here so I would assume they want to remain anonymous, also Dan sounds nothing like Larry.

The translator is Krista, she's credited in the description of the main Loopy video. I am the other, more annoying voice and not Dan, although I kind of wish I had Dan's good looks and acting skill.

Ah, ok, sorry for the mistakes then.

All's good! It's more Dan you should be apologising to...

and in colour! For colour on the GB Printer you'd have to like draw on it, and it ruins the point kind of.

yep, spoiled me too, and i was planning on renting that from my library. Balls.

I've seen it now, and if it's any consolation, the spoiler is not correct. Though it sadly still gives away the main part of the mystery.

Reggiamoto Yeah, I realised that later on in regard to なに. Additional poking showed that it would only convert single characters, so no compounds (regardless of kun or on reading) would convert. It wasn't even consistent in being a pain.

Right. One of the conversion options she had was 隠 which has かく- as its kun'yomi, so it's not looking at just on'yomi readings, it's just that it can't handle okurigana at all.

That's impressively frustrating. For all its shortcomings I'm never going to complain about MSIME ever again.

Levi Sinclair same

I'm deaf in my left ear so I never noticed. STOP OPPRESSING ME.

the two kana systems developed long after they'd used kanji. china was the nearest neighbouring country which wrote at all, so it made sense to steal their system. for a long time they used a kind of "phonetic kanji" system, but that was a pain in the ass to write phonetically bc it drastically increased the number of characters per word. so they started to take shortcuts. the two kana systems developed from how men and women separately tended to simplify the original "phonetic kanji" system. however before they were standardised every individual scribe came up with their own simplifications, which were so idiosyncratic and arcane (plus poor handwriting) that historians and archaeologists don't know what half the scribes were possibly saying. plus they basically did a "cursive" script where they flowed their non-standard personalised simplifications together into one long scribble. anyway, here's two diagrams of how the two simplifications ended up different through history, before landing on the standardised ones. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Katakana_origine.svg upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Hiragana_origin.svg nowadays, hiragana are used for native words and katakana are used for proper nouns and loan words. but that wasn't always the case. and people got by with kanji alone, even without the phonetic kanji, for a good few hundred years. (of course, for a long time, writing was an elite thing, it wasn't really designed to be accessible. kinda like gamers being protective of obtuse systems because they put the effort into getting good at them today.)

From what I understand katakana was actually the original script used for Japanese and hiragana was used for foreign words. But after significant trading with other countries, for some reason the roles of the two scripts switched. I could be remembering wrong though. My point was more how stupid it is to keep using kanji when they already have two other scripts. It makes sense to keep katana around, since it's an easy way for readers to identify foreign words, but making your children devote countless hours in school learning an obtuse third script is baffling. It's wasted time when they could be learning something else, and it makes it much harder for foreigners to learn to read Japanese. The very fact that a lot of their printed media has tiny hiragana positioned under the corresponding kanji _should_ clue them in that it's kind of a bad system. It's sort of like how a lot of schools in the US don't teach cursive anymore, since everything is typed these days. Even in college, teachers stress that you _only_ write in print for essays and tests.

Sam Vimes well, in elementary they still teach cursive. but the thing with kanji is.. you don't actually just learn a whole page of contextless things? you learn them as you read. it's like vocab. i am learning japanese (as you may have guessed) and they're very useful for figuring out context? like.. just like english, there's loads of words that sound the same, but mean different things. combining kanji there disambiguates. and with my learning, i'm not trying to learn like "10 a day" or anything. i just check em out when i come across em. it's basically like. english sort of gets around it by having, say, "sun" and "son" use a slightly different spelling? but in a purely phonetic spelling system they'd look the same. now, if english encouraged you​ to write little pictures alongside your writing, so you could draw a little ☀️ or a 👤 (those are emoji) to disambiguate, it's basically like... in english we often verbalise those things​. the kanji are more like that being unsaid? lots of stuff online uses largely kana, with just kanji for disambiguation when necessary? like on twitter and message boards and stuff. ultimately, governments can try and set the language officially, and the japanese government has drastically reduced the number of Official Kanji? but at the end of the day, language is a living, evolving thing. people use it and how they use it shapes its future. you may think kanji are pointless, but people who write every day find them useful for at least some things, even in situations where it's socially acceptable to not use them. think of it this way, you subconsciously code-switch in formal or friendly situations. you learn new vocab and new spellings along-with when talking to, say, your boss. kanji are all made of constituent parts. after you've learned a few you start seeing, like, "oh that's got cherry and tree and woman in" and that can help a lot. learning new combinations of these parts (radicals) really isn't that much harder than learning new Roman spellings, even though they are much more intimidating for beginners? sorry, lol, hope this wasn't too much text. i just thought similar things, "why don't they use just kana", before i actually started learning for real, but then suddenly i really appreciated the way they help you understand the meaning, and the flow of the sentence, and all that.

Well, that does make sense when you put it that way. It still seems weird to me, being a foreigner and whatnot, but I may be biased. I took Japanese for two years and hiragana was okay, katakana was really easy, but kanji was just incredibly difficult to learn. At least with hiragana and katakana there were sometimes visual cues that I could use to help me remember which symbol was which (like how キ looks like a multi-pronged key), but kanji was an absolute mess. Although it might not have helped that in my second year I had a different teacher and she was absolutely awful.

Sam Vimes​ yeah, i generally have a hard time with actual.. teachers? i've been using tae kim's online resources for self-directed learning, and jisho.org one last thing to think about, is this: japanese learners of english generally self-report having​ a harder time with all the spelling exceptions in english (ie how plough and trough sound completely different) than they did with kanji. there's almost certainly cultural bias coming at it from either way, but, yeah. i just found that interesting when i read it. i myself actually have an easier time with a lot of kanji than with katakana, but i find hiragana basically second nature by now. it helps a lot that 99% of the time the radical is drawn the same way (as line order influences the​ shape at the end) whether it's on its own, in the top left corner, occupying the whole bottom half, etc.

it is word processor

Krista Yabe, she was credited on the main Loopy video.

Thanks!

well the language itself seems horribly complex, so...

It's surprisingly simple to learn, actually. I literally learned Hiragana and Katakana in the span of a little over 2 days. There's a lot of Kanji and convoluted verb conjugations and that is where it gets hard, but really, Kanji sometimes feels like a necessary evil.

No. He is Stuart Ashen.

oh fuck

Dan Wells He is an excellent fake.

tjhill0110 oh yeah...

I posted on your Subreddit the other about that one I found in Germany, thanks for the €5 saving! :D

By learning Japanese?

You could screenshot the video and highlight the characters from the picture in Google Translate if you just want to know what she was writing. (That would only give a very loose gist of the meaning though).

Thass Norfolk hint ut

I read your username as "GingerPunk" at first.

RygartARTB You do realize that vocal accents exist, right? Like, not everyone speaks completely neutral.

OMG... This reminds me of when I said kanji to some weeb who then laughed at me for not saying it like konji. I had never heard the word spoken before. He made such a big deal out of it too.

+ThePluralApostrophe Which brings us to the question, does neutral speech actually exist?